Full Klipper & KlipperScreen Experience With BTT Pad 7
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With the increase in popularity of Klipper firmware we have begun to see the rise of Klipper Tablets. These allow you to convert one or multiple printers to Klipper without the need of a pi and give you a nice touch screen interface to control them. So far there have been limitations like forked versions of Klipper and no root access. In this video we look at the Pad 7, BigTreeTechs take on these standalone devices. We will go over the specs, what setup was like, and I will give you my thoughts based on my experience so far.
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The main reason BTT didn’t rip off any klipper related software is that they sponsor klipper. Ripping off any software would ruin their reputation quicker than creality
Or because they have Morales lol
This looks really good as I want to try klipper. This looks like it would make my life easier
Thanks, been looking for something like this that can run the latest and greatest stuff, I've wanted to jump into input shaping and the idea of a control panel at the printer is very appealing. Sonic Pad was a miss due to how vendor locked and encumbered they made it to add devices other than their own, this looks way better and flexible as well as cheaper, win all around, pre-ordered via your affiliate!
Great video. Lots of great information.
I bought a Pad 7 because I had never played with Klipper before and figured a premade item with preloaded software would be a lot more user-friendly.
The lack of some sort of beginner guide was a HUGE letdown to an otherwise really nice seeming product.
if you still have it and would like additional information on getting started with it, I've got some fairly useful videos that might help.
@delephiaggm what @TheFeralEngineer said, he has some great videos. All get right to the point and look great.
Thanks. Would like to see the pad run input shaper measurement on your creality printer.
I have a couple of these, they work great.
Thanks for the video. Looks like for a more advanced user set then the Sonic pad, and it is only $20ish cheaper, if one was going to use this on an ender branded machine and did not know how klipper works or flashing I would spend the extra $20 for the ease of setup alone.
But if one was at the higher end of 3d printing and not scared of digging in to the setup via their computers vs just on the pad this sounds like a great option. I really like that it gives one full root access and is not a forked version of questionable legality/ethics, this sounds like a great way to go.
I run the Pad7 and CB1 as daily drivers in my printers and just ported over to the BTT Pi on one machine so I could use the CB1 for a Manta E3EZ on an anycubic chiron I'm going to do a rebuild series on. I'm totally team BTT 🐱🐱
I like this! although I have Orange Pi Zero 2 boards and 7" touchscreens for Klipper and Octoprint I can see this being a great solution for people who dont want to set up the system I have, I wouldn't touch a Creality Sonic Pad with a shitty stick, a friend bought one and spent the best part of a day dealing with Creality updates which then required further updates to fix the previous updates, my friend ended up with a Sonic Pad that no longer worked correctly, but did before any of the updates and so back to Amazon it went, why they went with a butchered fork of Klipper instead of the stock Vannilla version that is proven firmware and receives regular updates and would need zero work from Creality once sold to the user is beyond me.
This is another great product from BTT!
You mentioned it in the video briefly, the choice between a factory produced Klipper enabled printer with no root access versus the upgrade of an older printer to Klipper with the bigtree pad. What do you think is ultimately the path to better performance? I would love to hear your opinion. Thankd
Hi, enjoying all your videos but I found out that you do not have a installation/guide for normal klicky probe, I really want to see one of those subjects covered by you, please consider making one :V
BTT Pad or Creality Sonic Pad ?
that is the question for loyal users.
(im disgusted by the variety of obsolete products released for fdm machines that are later abondoned or lack proper support).
im talking to you Creality !
i own three Enders and two 3D Pads and none perform as advertised.
Its a no brainer, Pad 7 with its stock Klipper means good updates and continual functionality instead of the dodgy Creality updates that usually need additional updates to fix the previous updates
You know how many of these kinds of things BTT have actually released? Like maybe half a dozen, but for some reason they're almost always impossible to get ahold of. They weren't klipper specific, but they were pi-specific screens that would allow you "Marlin Mode, Touchscreen Mode, and Pi Mode"...they looked amazing, but I don't know if they were sold out or just not that popular?
I think it's what they've been building towards and the other products were mostly just stopgaps until they could release a compete plug in solution.
BTT have released quite a few screens as you said, from the basic 2x16 lcd with rotary to the neat btt 2.8" up to 4" touch lcd screens, they work in many modes a standalone controller , emulation controller and more. Bonus is they took the patches created by the community for other lcd makers to have their screens supported better than oem support (looking at you MKS )
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Good Video ! Stay safe and healthy and greatings to all ‼️‼️‼️
Outstanding video and content. I was really looking forward to your config file as I am about to embark on klipper myself. Can you ornwill you share ?? Thanks !!
I would assume that nothing is stopping you from adding a simple bus-powered USB2 hub. That would add 3 extra ports (1 in, 4 out) with a tiny footprint and since we have 3d printers, it should be possible to avoid a cable mess. In fact, using only a single port on the tablet for a cable running off to a hidden USB hub that connects to 4 printers might be much neater than having printers directly connected. Considering USB2 bandwidth vs. serial speeds I would expect that even a simple USB2 hub should have sufficient bandwidth for more than 4 printers.
Hello thanks for the video can you directly print from usb without network conection? meaning you get a machine to a place without network?
I've just bought a 3.5" touchscreen for my Pi and will mount it in place of the E5S1 screen. It fits great but not finished doing it yet.
My issues were connectivity I bought the creality sonic pad it ran it for about 2 weeks and right off the bat would disconnect or shutdown consistently no matter what it would find a reason and disconnect after wasting about a roll I sent it back and went the pi route and haven't had any big issues Definitely very nice. I am looking for the config file from the flsun speeder pad
Are those volume buttons programmable? If they are, they can bse used to trigger some useful macros in my opinion.
Can it use a usb hub to connect other printers?
Why not both?
If I had to pick between volume buttons and 2 more ports, I would probably lean toward volume. I can add a USB hub if needed and I don't have 4 printers, much less 4 all within 16 ft of a central device even if I did.
Glad to see a truly open device and a competitive price. If I didn't already have Pi for my printers this would be my pick!
I'm not sure if this is actually correct, but I once read you can't use USB hubs with klipper to run more printers.
@@ThomasS17 raspberry pi USB ports already go through a built in hub so no, you can and already use USB hubs.
The main factor why they don't recommend standalone hubs is bandwidth and reliability. I don't know how chatty Klipper is but I imagine something like 16 printers could easily overwhelm one USB 2.0 controller.
@@igorordecha oh, OK. Thanks for clearing that up!
My biggest complaint with it is the lack of GPIO pins, especially since they're marketing it for uses outside of klipper not having GPIO seems like a HUGE misstep.
Yeah was surprised he didn't mention that, if he did I missed it. No GPIO access is a killer for me.
Great, but, is possible to use with custom printer, like BLV?
Can this be added to an existing printer running klipper to be used for Klipper Screen?
Are the two USB's on the back able to control printers? If so, then you have 3 USB ports (2 on back, one on side).
I don't think I'd want to run more than 3 off a CB1
So I have an Ender 3 Pro and Sunlu S8 each running an SKR 1.4 board with Marlin and 2 RasPi’s running Octoprint . What does this do for me as opposed to my current setup?
can you put a drive of some sort in the USB and print with out a wifi being available?
love my sonic pad so much. i see this being a good market for the next year until most manufactures have to start selling printers with it baked in. that will be the next revolution, features not pricing. its all about features and ease of use going forward IMO for a company to stay competitive. low barrier to entry and easier first layers are the way to bring in more customers. i have already seen it recently with some friends who are ready to take the plunge now.
edit: SSH stock?! yessssssss
I wonder if i can use it with my anycubic vyper?
I used to have the Sonic Pad and it got to where it was giving me more grief than it was helping. So much so that i uninstalled it and now am only using the built in screen and Marlin on my Ender 3 Pro. Would this be an upgrade worth my time and money compared to the Sonic Pad?
I am currently starting to source parts for Voron 2.4 built I have a 0.1 that’s getting upgraded to a 0.2 and an ended 3 running Klipper so I’m glad to see that pad running mainline Klipper. What are your/ other peoples thoughts on using this for a 2.4 from the get go instead of sourcing a pi and a separate screen?
what mainboard are you planning to run? If you're using a standalone board like the BTT Octopus, you can run the pad7 but if you're going to use a Manta M8P with a CB1/CM4 installed on it, you can just use a 5 or 7 inch hdmi display
I have a Pi 4B but I don't have a touch screen for it. What screen do you recommend please?
Is the "bigtreetech" logo at start changeable? tks
I was under the impression that you could use a USB hub to connect additional printers. Can you confirm this?
Great video. Can you use the pad with a USB hub to allow it to control more then two printers since it is using the CB1? That would great.
In theory yes, but that would throttle bandwidth as its only a splitter, not a new usb interface. You will likely get away with it as long as are not running two speed benchy attempts from the same interface or have really complex machines (multi z, mmu, etc)
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 very good point.
Would this work with my old CR10 mini?
Can this flash my printer like a creality sonic?
Could you connect more devices if you plugged in a USB Hub?
How many Ender 3 V2 printers can this run at one time or do I need to buy one for each???
i agree : more USB no volume control. Especially for a webcam or something like that.
I Like my 10S Pro but its due for an Upgrade. I have Pi4 and Octoprint, MicroSwiss DD and Hot end, BL Touch, Z axis Struts and use mostly PLA. But I need to be more reliable printing clean parts and as fast as a Bed slinger can be. I like the new tech the applied for Temp and feed rate, and vibration compensation & In shaping. Whatever all the stuff is I like it. Would this Pad 7 be the ticket. How can I get tech support. I am not Klipper smart. Can anyone support install on line like my PC updates?? D
Please help I have a Pad 7 installed my WIFI and I need a step by step plan to finish the install of my Ender 3 v2 The youtubes that I have seen all skip some steps and go to fast, a printed program would be perfect. I am old and slow, but I try. Thanks
If you want to run 4x printers off it, a much more elegant solution is to run a powered USB-C Dock that has multiple USB-A ports.
Problem solved, its not a cable mess and the dock provides power via USB-C if the device supports it.
More USB ports for sure. Do you know if you can run a USB hub with this so you can run multiple printers? I use an Inovato Quadra with a hub and I can run 3 printers, a usb input shaper and a usb powered fan to cool the Quadra. I want to add Klipper Screen to this as well, but if I could run a USB hub with this, it would be a bit easier and less wires everywhere.
Does this replace a raspberry or old laptop?
One way to get Crsality configs is in the Sonic Pad's repository. I use them as templates.
I would not trust anything software or firmware related from Creality, there are plenty of recources for setting up Klipper online and YT videos showing you how to use them!
Has anyone managed to convert an old iPad / phone as a klipper device?
Has to be Linux so androids can at least run klipper screen I don’t know if I have seen full klipper on them but probably. I have some windows tablets I converted to Linux and they run klipper as well as klipper screen.
Great video, so I have a few Raspberry Pi 3's and have their 7" touch screen, I was wondering how difficult would it be to create a DIY Klipper screen?
Not Klipper screen but DIY Klipper Pad, sorry.
Not to difficult. You can find several tutorials on youtube on this topic.
I don't mean to laugh, but this is literally the way it's been done for years. You take the Pi, mate it to a screen and connect the printer. These "official" pads is a new trend stemming from the Pi shortages.
@@madderall_dot_com So these ones done for years you can unplug them from one printer and run them on another or run multiple printers from one pi/screen combo? Everything I have see is you run the pi along side the printer and the screen is installed afterwards. Or is there something I am missing?
@@cmtravis13 you can run multiple pronters from a single pi. In fact you can do this with older laptops or pi clones (orange pi) anything that can run linux.
i have a raspberry pie 4b im building my own full version of klipper servers parts on the way .... my cr 5s1 is loaded with issues
So you can only run 1 printer at a time?
Will it work on sovol sv05 ?
You'll get answers from Big Tree Tech? lol, the rest of us are lucky to even get a reply.
Put one on an sv06 plz
Can you share your ender 5 s1 printer.cfg?
Did you ever find one?
Do ya still use this BTT pad 7 ??
Love that it is not branded locked. If you want more ports just buy a dongle.
I have the Ender 5 S1 is there a way I can get the config file from you?
Did you ever find one?
@@jdne5b I found a configuration file on Reddit. I am still tweaking it.
Do you know if this will work with the Prusa MK3S+ and MK4?
I don’t see why you would need this for the MK4 considering it runs klipper or something similar but I think it definitely would work with the MK3
I just received mine from AliExpress. I've never used Klipper before, but have used Octoprint and others like that. This will be a major project to get going, and I'm starting to wonder if its really worth it. The Pad7 boots with errors, because no configuration, and minimal instructions on how to get it going. I managed to get it connected to WiFi by editing its config file, and eventually getting parts updated, but still lots of errors. Mainsail is not working, but will work on that. BTT instructions are bad. Learning the ins and out of Klipper will take weeks. So word of warning to anyone not familiar with Klipper, this is a major task to get it all working, and its doubtful it all is worth it.
There are perfect instructions on TH-cam better than BTT could hope to make. Why anyone would even consider using a manufacturer's instructions is beyond me.
As a lazy guy, this will help me get klipper the easy way. or at least i hope 😅
I'm getting ready to sell it! That easy it is!
It doesn't look as plug n play as Sonic Pad but does seem more open
The volume tabs are weird. USB please!!!
Wait, so if you are running a canbus toolhead you cant run input shaper!?!?!?!?!
Thats Morinic, its the main reason to use klipper!
Most canbus toolheads have the ADXL on them which is why it has SPI to canbus.
@@filanfyretracker Most huh, so thats an excuse?
Changing out the colume buttons for two more usbs?? The reason there aren't more USB ports isn't because of no room on the device.
Never heard of a usb hub?
The limited number of printers this can run is why I am not replacing the Sonic Pad even though I share your complaints with the device. I don't care about the flexibility of the device I only want it for printing.
There are no limits you just need to configure it.
I have zero interest in being at my printer. I do all slicing downloading , setting, printing ... from remote app
I don't see a reason why a USB splitter wouldn't work
But you need to use a laptop correct
beginners guide to setup? never used klipper...
To complicated for a regular guy .I don't even know what root access means lol.
I'm with MB on this. I'd rather have an amazing 3d printer controller than a device that tries to be everything which results in being mediocre at everything, so prefer more usb ports. And if you did want to use it as an actual computer, then you could simply add the sound through a usb port. The question is did they design it this way because it physically couldn't run more printers due to lack of processing power?
Caveat: I’m waiting on mine to hit my doorstep so I know zero however…. I don’t think it’s the processin power that limits instances of printers as much as available RAM. The processor on this lil guy is more than robust enough to handle it spec wise but 1GB of RAM not enough to do more than prescribed (3?) and frankly much past two I’d wonder how well it deals with it? Anyway, at this juncture I only have two printers so, we’ll see. I intend to build out a third shortly.