@windfall Why? Trackside advertising has been a part of the sport since day one, if it ruins your enjoyment of the race just look at the cars instead, it's really not a huge deal.
I'm following Liam Lawson in SF this year. Funnily enough he said it feels like a F1 car in the corners, so this video is spot on.. I'm looking forward to the next race in Suzuka. Usually the very best drivers rise to the top at that track.
@@CyrilJanDacasin F1 onboard cameras do not have stabilization, they are glued to the car, Indycar cameras are on a gymball and can rotate, they are stabilized.
@@mclarenf101 new f1 car just too heavy , make the car looks very lazy in slow corner, but in this track not so bad, lighter car just feel and looks faster even slower lap time,hybrid era f1 keep adding weight year by year, but somehow still make the faster and faster, hope 2023 can make it faster in slow corner, i think 2020 got the faster f1 car in hybrid era.
@@bukwok 2020 is indeed the very peak in terms of outright lap times for F1, the new floor reg introduced in 2021 had lower the ceiling quite a bit, and with the ground effect car it was dropped off significantly, mostly just because of the weight, though.
Honestly it's because of the framerate and stabilization of the camera they're using. From what I can tell is that F1 is having a 60fps stabilized footage, while SF is using 30fps with little to no stabilization CMIIW
Great comparison. Just quick remind that lap record for SFormula at Suzuka is 1'34.442 from 2020 by Nick Cassidy (probably no telemetry data for this one)
Simply the best comparison ever on this channel, A Japanese Formula Super car that is one of the fastest cars in the world, just below F1 in corners. And even more with telemetry. I loved this comparison, I'm totally happy after watching this very explanatory video, congratulations brother, it was an excellent video. Imagine these SF cars with a seventh gear, and a Drs, along with a Kers? with at least 700hp, I think these cars would match an F1 in pace
Well you have to remember the aerodynamics of these cars are also built with the capabilities of its speed and acceleration in mind. A drastic increase in horsepower would likely decrease the aerodynamic efficiency to an extent. Don't forget an F1 car weighs much more than a SF car and part of that is defo the hulk engine/minimum weight regulation
@@zCxtalystYes yes, you are absolutely right. More power could have aerodynamic implications on the SF, but I believe that if they added a DRS to these SF cars, they could be faster in the straights, without losing too much in the corners... The Japanese engineers are very good, They would create solutions to work around problems and maintain or even improve cornering performance.
If you did that these cars would race terrible. Their power x drag ratio is perfect, they are fun to watch. They don't need more power. They need more downforce to reach top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream so they can race even better than they do now. They reduced downforce a bit but managed to reduce dirt air by a huge amount this year. They raced a bit better before tho. I wish they did the opposite and gave the cars more downforce instead. Dirt air is not much of a problem if you have enough drag to make slipstream more valuable.
Discovered and fell in love with Japanese SF because of the assetto corsa mod of the car Amazing what that car does with so little power, and they prove that slower cars do indeed lead to better racing I hope F1 takes a look at their approach on the cars and learn, as much as F1 is about pure speed, they’re unnecessarily fast and if by lowering the lap times 2-4s we can improve the show, then I’m all for it
Excellently constructed comparison. With any of these comparisons we should remember that many of the TRs in F1 have the effect of limiting the vehicles' outright performance. That said, these comparisons are still fascinating to watch and taking any formula car to the limit lap after lap requires exceptional skill from the driver.
@@8888swatt I thought that's you meant, but you said it like it's unique to F1, which it isn't. Literally every category will be many many times faster there were no TRs.
@@Alan-ww8vi True but F1 does have the unique phenomena of hyper development and so sporadic rule changes aimed (wholly or partly) at slowing the cars down. But what you say was kinda my point; the cars will only go as quick as their formula regs will allow. I didn't mean performance limiting rules were unique to F1, I only meant it in the sense that the excellent video implied the F1 car was the performance bench mark for a formula car so I was just noting that even an F1car is performance limited by the regs. That all said it is still a cool video.
@@8888swatt Makes me wonder what a 919 Evo-style F1 car would be like. Considering the old regulations from 2017 - 2021 were the fastest ever in the history of the sport, maybe one of the teams should make an unrestricted car.
One notable thing I noticed is how the Super Formula driver does not seem to be on top of his race line so much and doesn't attempt to corner as hard as an F1 driver would. He basically does not attempt to use the track limits so much.
The Yokohama tires are so much better than the Pirellis. Vandoorne mentioned in an interview how they could go an entire race on one set of tires because they still carried performance. If F1 tires werent so bad they would be flying. This limiting factor is a damper on the sport. Deserves more attention.
F1 wants a fast degrading tires, F1 asked pirelli to make tires that degrade fast, so thats what they got. Im sure pirelli could make a tire that lasts all race if they wanted to...
Not really... The Bridgestone tires of 2010 were capable of going the entire distance on some occasions, and pirelli stepped in from 2011 onwards with the request to make high degradation tires. This is what they want
@@foxy126pl6 degradation itself is not the issue, thermal degradation is. So comparison still stands. I doubt Pirelli would be able to do a tire that can go for the whole race pushing non stop without overheating given that even the harder compound can suffer from this.
That was a fascinating comparison. I knew Super Formula cars were rapid circuit cars but to come so close, and beat F1 in the slow and medium corners, shows how great these cars are. Great video.
Think also about the weight. F1 now is super heavy. 798kg minimum weight against 660 of SF. That’s a lot in terms of middle/slow corners. Also the 2022 gen cars are slower in general than before due to lack of complex aerodynamics and the limited floor effect/diffuser Great video!
Actually impressive downforce from the SF. Maybe a omparison had been between the a Williams and SF car would be even better because of lack of downforce, I think the straight-line speed is one thing but I think it would be close when it comes to downforce
One thing that you have to note is tyres . Tyres in SF are whey better then f1 tyres which definitely helps for cornering , also f1 has more downforce tyres are still the biggest factor in terms of grip . For me superformula are doing a mega job !
@@theindubitable The SF19 as the name suggests, debuted on 2019, so it's still a pretty young chassis for a "spec" series. (I know it's not a true spec series much like IndyCar but you get the gist of it).
What we need is a Super Formula World Championship in the same cars and some more engines, racing in Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Imola, Spa, Silverstone, Portimão, Austin, Austria, Interlagos, Nürburgring, Sepang, Istanbul, Hockenheim, Paul Ricard old track layout, Le Mans Le Sartre, Monterrey Laguna Seca etc. With some drivers from FE like Vergne, Felix da Costa, Wehrlein, Nick Cassidy, Jack Dennis, Vandoorne, Mitch Evans, Sam Bird. Som Indycar drivers like Palou, Pato O'ward, Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Josef Newgarden, Lundgard, Illot, Grosjean, Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin etc. Some young drivers from F2 like Iwasa, Jack Doohan, Enzo Fittipaldi, Teo Pourchaire, Victor Martins. Some forgotten F1 drivers, like Daniel Ricciardo, Filipe Druguvich. SF Liam Lawson.
Excellent comparison mate. Thank you for this video. I have a request for you. Is there any way we can properly compare F2 and Super Formula cars? Since the chassis are almost the same and the power deficit between them is much lower (AFAIK F2 cars have around 650HP as opposed to SF cars' 550HP), I feel like a comparison between the two would be interesting.
SF will probably edge out F2 by a couple seconds since even though they have a deficit in horsepower the SF19 has more complex aero to produce more downforce which resulting to higher cornering speed. Keep in mind SF19 also has OTS system similar to IndyCar's system which give the car a few more horsepower which the drivers can use at any part of the track compared to F2's "limited" DRS zone.
Super Formula has the perfect power x drag ratio. It only needs more downforce on high speed corners so they can reach those top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream. Their push to pass put the cars side by side perfectly rather than giving a free pass.
Super Formula cars are surprisingly quick. Really impressive that it’s only 7 seconds given the engine deficit F1 desperately needs to go back to smaller, lighter cars tbh
The lap time of that Nojiri set 2022 Super Formula car is only 3-4 tenths off Michael Schumacher’s pole position lap time in the Ferrari which was a “1:35.825” during qualifying in the 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.
I don't know for SF, but for F1 you can get it in MultiViewer for f1, he isn't using it in this video, but he has used it in others (including the one before this one)
F1 cars have been massively slowed down in the low speed corners for the last decade. Current cars are over 150KG heavier and much longer than the 2010 cars ( which had the most amount of downforce in the V8 era ). Obviously in the high speed corners they're unreal, but a lighter car is always much more fun to drive.
I wished that the double diffuser/blown diffuser era overlapped in the V8 era the downforce would have been insane I remember the 2010 Red Bull car taking Campsa flat at like 260kph my mind was blown incredible machine
Syncing the two cars sector by sector was a smarter move than just showing the full laps. It's able to show the differences in the two cars that way. Though, adding the lap times of each car during the video would also help visualize the time differences better than just stating it in the captions
Yokohama is the tire supplier for SF and they just use two sets of compound which are Soft & Hard alongside a Full Wet tire for obvious wet conditions.
Didn’t realise SF cars were that quick compared to F1, despite the lesser power. Got to question spending so much to develop cars that actually aren’t that much faster, and with more power the SF car would be way closer.
I think the first comment kinda sums it up: F1 cars have more HP hence they're faster hence it takes less time for them to cover all parts of the track. The effect being less pronounced in the corners.
A como mistake here, SF19 car has 640hp not 550hp, the 550 value comes from the older SF14 chasis and I dont wikipedia still hasnt uploaded that value.
@@jeffreylawler I'm saying compared to 2021, and about Monza and Jeddah, I'm not wrong. The difference was around 1 second. Actually less than 1 second in Jeddah. 2022 cars can be faster than 2021 in high speed corners
@@JotaV2502 it’s true for a few tracks that only have high speed corners. but for a majority of tracks this season they are much slower than the years before
Super formula seems to be the all-rounder version in the open wheel series, the weight shift when turning to maintain both speed and grip gives it an overall better average speed than other open wheelers
We got SF19-23 and 1 F1 car in GT7. But I don't really know where to place the SF in the real Formula world. Is an SF car in the game closer to a real world formula car like the F2 in top speed. Just for the fun of it. I'm just trying to create a possibility to race timetrails on the few tracks GT7 has with real life F1 action. Great video btw. Thanks.
Can i ask, Why Super Formula just didn't do like Indycar type of races that when u can race road course on modern cities like Tokyo, Osaka,Fukuoka and etc(and the road are very smooth as well compare to Indycar Road Course like St Petersberg,Detroit)this series is very competitive yet the calendar size is way too less. And other question is Super Formula can't expand to other countries just because of cost or is the name(the way I say name is because JGTC(Super GT) can't expand due to the name is National Championship and Cost, but after rename Super GT they do expand to Thailand and Malaysia(although these years might be impossible due to covid), why Super Formula can do the same with their counterpart?
Japan is reluctant to hold races with public roads closed. This year, Formula E will finally be held in Tokyo. In order to spread the word about SuperGT and Super Formula, we would like to hold the event on public roads. I think the reason why it is difficult to hold an event overseas is because not only the drivers but also the team staff work in both SuperGT and Super Formula.(Google Transration)
Think F1 cars have around 1050hp maybe slightly more now 1000hp is just the baseline figure Im sure any power loss from E10 would have been brought back with different mapping
I'm not sure the conclusion that F1 is much better in high speed corners is as obvious: Super formula doesn't reach as high speeds as F1 before fast corners. The acceleration might be the limiting factor in high speed corners. E.g. Superformula reached 130R at 279kph and basically didn't loose any speed going through the corner. We can't know if it would be able to do the corner at 300kph as well if only it had a more powerful engine to get it to that speed before the corner.
You said F1 has 950hp. They claim to be 850hp turbo ICE, 160hp electric, for 1010hp, 798kg. But realistically, after several years of development they are probably more in the 1050hp - 1100hp range. With that said, good for you Super Formula, LOL. 543hp, 660kg, and 7 seconds less at Suzuka? And at about half the horsepower? That's very impressive. Even F2 would be no where near as fast at Suzuka. And they have 620hp at 755kg. Awesome. I'm gonna start watching SF more often.
@@jash2622 I agree to some power loss, but they've been running E5 for several years now and the belief is 2-3 years ago they were at 1030-1050hp on E5. And from what I've read, and seen from analysists, is they believe all teams had more power from mid 2020 to the end of last year. From several years of engine development. ~1050-1070hp on E5. Maybe more, we really don't know. I'd agree with a 20hp average loss on E10. So they are probably back in the ~1030-1050hp range.
Hi mate. Thanks for this comparison and analysis. Very interesting. I have a request. It would be possible to compare Super Formula with Formula 2. That would be almost on the same level. Thank you.
imagine that lighter, smaller SF layout brought to F1 then added 1000hp f1 engine (idealy simpler and lighter than current ones), DRS, get free hand on aero development, pirelly slicks and best drivers. Probably would be as fast if not faster than current ones. We would got smaller nimbler cars and better racing
I am 100% sure that a super formula car with F1-type power outputs can easily compete in F1, especially considering this isn't even the SF record for Suzuka, which is a 1.34.5.
The main problem with modern F1 cars is their weight and this video once again shows that.. They are to heavy at 798kg minimum weight.. SF is 670kg.. That's a almost 130kg difference, which is huge in the racing world.. I hope F1 can work on making the cars lighter (and smaller) again in the future..
Oh damn, I remembered Tomoki Nojiri collided with Toshiki Oyu in this year's Suzuka GP of Super Formula, Oyu was looking at his sights for a pole-to-win, but Nojiri ruined it.
SF has an OTS system (similar to IndyCar's Push to Pass) where they use a bit more fuel to get more power rather than using DRS. (SF still do refueling) All driver has the same allocated number of times they can use that system (they have around 100s of use in total) and they can use that system freely on any part of the track. The system itself can be used for both attacking or defending so it brings another layer for strategy.
Going off of just this video SF looks like it would be more interesting to watch. On a different note- I wish F1 could experiment more like they used to, there's way too many regulations =\
Hi can you please do a comparison on the super formula vs f2 vs Indy car. Im sure in not the only person who is interested in this. There is no content on these 3 cars which on paper seem like rivals
Very nice comparison. I liked SF cars. One question: why is the -7 gap against Max's name in a yellow color?) I guess it should be green if it's a gap in favor of Max Verstappen
Alonso loses 1 cylinder and runs on V5: th-cam.com/video/pjnHdBSDm6A/w-d-xo.html
I already forgot how this track looks without advertisement panels on every barrier. Thank you, Super Formula for reminding me.
@Atomfurz00 Yep, me too. Always liked this distinctive red, white and green checked pattern at Suzuka, but nowadays it's hardly visible.
@Atomfurz00 Ikr, F1 tracks look literally the same with the branding
Pointless to hate when the sport wouldnt be posible without the ads.
@windfall Why?
Trackside advertising has been a part of the sport since day one, if it ruins your enjoyment of the race just look at the cars instead, it's really not a huge deal.
@@ecksoal moron
The super formula has always been a very nice category
SF and Indy, yeah
@Atomfurz00 Well that's not true
@@lorenzograndini2731 i didn't know super formula until this video
Wait until you see their pitstops
@@aygoaccount5251 the "acrobatic" stops haven't been a thing since 2 years ago sadly
I'd love to see SF on board compared to a back marker F1 on board.
oooh nice, i would love SF and F2 Comparison tho
Agreed
Don't you talk about lord latifi like that!
@@overland1204 F2 is usually 10-12 seconds slower than F1. Super Formula is faster than F2
The F1 car would still completely destroy it because you know... it's an F1 car?
This actually shows how amazing the SF cars are despite the power disadvantage.
They don't even have drs
They are clearly one of the highest level open wheel racing competitions in the world.
they have less weight tho, but still they are pretty damn quick
I’m pretty sure they’re like the second fastest thing behind F1 cars.
@@souldry Depends on the track. Most tracks LMP1 would be faster due to way more power and downforce.
I'm following Liam Lawson in SF this year. Funnily enough he said it feels like a F1 car in the corners, so this video is spot on.. I'm looking forward to the next race in Suzuka. Usually the very best drivers rise to the top at that track.
i like the onboard cam of the superformula more ngl its wayy more centered like ur playing a game
i personally prefer the tv pod view tbh
It's like the indycar t-cam. It also makes the cars look faster
If F1 only removed stabilization like Indy.
@@CyrilJanDacasin F1 onboard cameras do not have stabilization, they are glued to the car, Indycar cameras are on a gymball and can rotate, they are stabilized.
the higher weight is really showing in slow corners. SF is quite impressive
Ground effect really slowed down F1's slow corner speed this year as well.
@@mclarenf101 new f1 car just too heavy , make the car looks very lazy in slow corner, but in this track not so bad, lighter car just feel and looks faster even slower lap time,hybrid era f1 keep adding weight year by year, but somehow still make the faster and faster, hope 2023 can make it faster in slow corner, i think 2020 got the faster f1 car in hybrid era.
@@bukwok 2020 is indeed the very peak in terms of outright lap times for F1, the new floor reg introduced in 2021 had lower the ceiling quite a bit, and with the ground effect car it was dropped off significantly, mostly just because of the weight, though.
The reason f1 are much faster is cuz of downforce
Super Formula although slower actually looks faster. F1 should use their camera setup because it would give us that sense of speed again
No. You would just get used to it and then it wouldn't make a difference.
Exactly mate! much more exciting than F1 on boards
@@HoutarouOrekiOsu wrong
Honestly it's because of the framerate and stabilization of the camera they're using.
From what I can tell is that F1 is having a 60fps stabilized footage, while SF is using 30fps with little to no stabilization CMIIW
The Formula 1 camera is on top of the engine intake, on the Super Formula this is lower and the lower you are the faster you feel like you're going
If only F1 made the cars lighter instead of making them boats, F1 would be even faster through those slow/medium speed corners
Boats? More like armored vehicles.
yup and bis chunky tyres also help a lot
why would they do that? it's about safety too
safety plays a big role
That's the point. They don't want the cars to fly through the corners. There are people in those cars and protecting them is the priority.
Great comparison.
Just quick remind that lap record for SFormula at Suzuka is 1'34.442 from 2020 by Nick Cassidy (probably no telemetry data for this one)
They did 1.34.3 in 2020, Nick Cassidy, so just 5 sec behind with like 600hp.
Incredible DF to weight ratio.
Well F1 in 2020 was also faster ;D
And…the engine is an in-line 4
Simply the best comparison ever on this channel, A Japanese Formula Super car that is one of the fastest cars in the world, just below F1 in corners. And even more with telemetry. I loved this comparison, I'm totally happy after watching this very explanatory video, congratulations brother, it was an excellent video. Imagine these SF cars with a seventh gear, and a Drs, along with a Kers? with at least 700hp, I think these cars would match an F1 in pace
Well you have to remember the aerodynamics of these cars are also built with the capabilities of its speed and acceleration in mind. A drastic increase in horsepower would likely decrease the aerodynamic efficiency to an extent. Don't forget an F1 car weighs much more than a SF car and part of that is defo the hulk engine/minimum weight regulation
@@zCxtalystYes yes, you are absolutely right. More power could have aerodynamic implications on the SF, but I believe that if they added a DRS to these SF cars, they could be faster in the straights, without losing too much in the corners... The Japanese engineers are very good, They would create solutions to work around problems and maintain or even improve cornering performance.
If you did that these cars would race terrible. Their power x drag ratio is perfect, they are fun to watch. They don't need more power. They need more downforce to reach top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream so they can race even better than they do now.
They reduced downforce a bit but managed to reduce dirt air by a huge amount this year. They raced a bit better before tho. I wish they did the opposite and gave the cars more downforce instead. Dirt air is not much of a problem if you have enough drag to make slipstream more valuable.
Discovered and fell in love with Japanese SF because of the assetto corsa mod of the car
Amazing what that car does with so little power, and they prove that slower cars do indeed lead to better racing
I hope F1 takes a look at their approach on the cars and learn, as much as F1 is about pure speed, they’re unnecessarily fast and if by lowering the lap times 2-4s we can improve the show, then I’m all for it
idk about that one bro, slower is not better. the size of the the formula one car now is the main issue
They're not at all slow.
I love Super Formula. Onboards at Sugo look insane.
Great video man, very interesting to watch
Excellently constructed comparison. With any of these comparisons we should remember that many of the TRs in F1 have the effect of limiting the vehicles' outright performance. That said, these comparisons are still fascinating to watch and taking any formula car to the limit lap after lap requires exceptional skill from the driver.
TRs?
@@Alan-ww8vi Technical Regulation. Things like the maximum instantaneous fuel flow rate or minimum weight of the car for example.
@@8888swatt I thought that's you meant, but you said it like it's unique to F1, which it isn't. Literally every category will be many many times faster there were no TRs.
@@Alan-ww8vi True but F1 does have the unique phenomena of hyper development and so sporadic rule changes aimed (wholly or partly) at slowing the cars down. But what you say was kinda my point; the cars will only go as quick as their formula regs will allow. I didn't mean performance limiting rules were unique to F1, I only meant it in the sense that the excellent video implied the F1 car was the performance bench mark for a formula car so I was just noting that even an F1car is performance limited by the regs. That all said it is still a cool video.
@@8888swatt Makes me wonder what a 919 Evo-style F1 car would be like. Considering the old regulations from 2017 - 2021 were the fastest ever in the history of the sport, maybe one of the teams should make an unrestricted car.
Outstanding video. Thank you 🙏
One notable thing I noticed is how the Super Formula driver does not seem to be on top of his race line so much and doesn't attempt to corner as hard as an F1 driver would. He basically does not attempt to use the track limits so much.
The Yokohama tires are so much better than the Pirellis. Vandoorne mentioned in an interview how they could go an entire race on one set of tires because they still carried performance. If F1 tires werent so bad they would be flying. This limiting factor is a damper on the sport. Deserves more attention.
F1 wants a fast degrading tires, F1 asked pirelli to make tires that degrade fast, so thats what they got. Im sure pirelli could make a tire that lasts all race if they wanted to...
Not really... The Bridgestone tires of 2010 were capable of going the entire distance on some occasions, and pirelli stepped in from 2011 onwards with the request to make high degradation tires. This is what they want
You are absolutely right!
@@foxy126pl6 degradation itself is not the issue, thermal degradation is. So comparison still stands.
I doubt Pirelli would be able to do a tire that can go for the whole race pushing non stop without overheating given that even the harder compound can suffer from this.
@@Willbrse Yeah, for some reason temperature windows always seem to be the most narrow at Pirelli, regardless of the category.
That was a fascinating comparison. I knew Super Formula cars were rapid circuit cars but to come so close, and beat F1 in the slow and medium corners, shows how great these cars are.
Great video.
素晴らしい比較映像です👍
very good comparisan man, thanks a lot
Think also about the weight. F1 now is super heavy. 798kg minimum weight against 660 of SF. That’s a lot in terms of middle/slow corners. Also the 2022 gen cars are slower in general than before due to lack of complex aerodynamics and the limited floor effect/diffuser
Great video!
Actually impressive downforce from the SF. Maybe a omparison had been between the a Williams and SF car would be even better because of lack of downforce, I think the straight-line speed is one thing but I think it would be close when it comes to downforce
One thing that you have to note is tyres . Tyres in SF are whey better then f1 tyres which definitely helps for cornering , also f1 has more downforce tyres are still the biggest factor in terms of grip .
For me superformula are doing a mega job !
@@estebanmuth Are they (SF) also going to come with new cars soon or they already did?
@@theindubitable The SF19 as the name suggests, debuted on 2019, so it's still a pretty young chassis for a "spec" series. (I know it's not a true spec series much like IndyCar but you get the gist of it).
@@AbrahamArthemius Ok thanks for your clarification!
@@AbrahamArthemius How is it not a true spec series? I don't know much about either IndyCar or SF but I always hear them referred to as spec series.
What we need is a Super Formula World Championship in the same cars and some more engines, racing in Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Imola, Spa, Silverstone, Portimão, Austin, Austria, Interlagos, Nürburgring, Sepang, Istanbul, Hockenheim, Paul Ricard old track layout, Le Mans Le Sartre, Monterrey Laguna Seca etc. With some drivers from FE like Vergne, Felix da Costa, Wehrlein, Nick Cassidy, Jack Dennis, Vandoorne, Mitch Evans, Sam Bird. Som Indycar drivers like Palou, Pato O'ward, Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Josef Newgarden, Lundgard, Illot, Grosjean, Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin etc. Some young drivers from F2 like Iwasa, Jack Doohan, Enzo Fittipaldi, Teo Pourchaire, Victor Martins. Some forgotten F1 drivers, like Daniel Ricciardo, Filipe Druguvich. SF Liam Lawson.
Can't wait to see how fast the RB17 will be… maybe I will get to live until it goes on track.
Excellent comparison. That Super Formula car really punches above its weight.
Excellent comparison mate. Thank you for this video. I have a request for you. Is there any way we can properly compare F2 and Super Formula cars? Since the chassis are almost the same and the power deficit between them is much lower (AFAIK F2 cars have around 650HP as opposed to SF cars' 550HP), I feel like a comparison between the two would be interesting.
SF would smash the F2 by quite a lot
@@jansonb482 Idk man I think it would be much closer like around 2-2.5 seconds
SF will probably edge out F2 by a couple seconds since even though they have a deficit in horsepower the SF19 has more complex aero to produce more downforce which resulting to higher cornering speed.
Keep in mind SF19 also has OTS system similar to IndyCar's system which give the car a few more horsepower which the drivers can use at any part of the track compared to F2's "limited" DRS zone.
@@AbrahamArthemius This is true, but I don't believe SF allows use of the OTS in qualifying. I'm not certain though
@@SwingAxleLover No, i don't think they do if it's quali
Super Formula has the perfect power x drag ratio. It only needs more downforce on high speed corners so they can reach those top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream. Their push to pass put the cars side by side perfectly rather than giving a free pass.
Super Formula cars are surprisingly quick. Really impressive that it’s only 7 seconds given the engine deficit
F1 desperately needs to go back to smaller, lighter cars tbh
Your videos are very informative and insightful. Thank you
Waw thanks for the good work. Great video
スーパーフォーミュラ
速いんだね。これくらいの差しかないのは
驚き。
そう思ったらスーパーフォーミュラのドライバーもマシンもほんとすげえんだな……
遅いっちゃ遅いけどパッと見F1と速さ変わらんしなぁ
@@深波恭介
パワーが400馬力ぐらい違うからどうしてもタイムとして表れちゃうよね
It's crazy just how quick SF cars are. They should give them some more HP!
The lap time of that Nojiri set 2022 Super Formula car is only 3-4 tenths off Michael Schumacher’s pole position lap time in the Ferrari which was a “1:35.825” during qualifying in the 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.
This basically says that SF and F1 have similar mechanical grip right?
I wonder how much weight difference there is
@@randomdude8877 I believe SF are around 650kg & F1 is around 790/800kg+(no driver) even reaching 900kg with full fuel tank + driver & car
Yo nice video mate. May I ask where you get this telemetry from? I would like to get a better look during race weekends myself
I don't know for SF, but for F1 you can get it in MultiViewer for f1, he isn't using it in this video, but he has used it in others (including the one before this one)
Check out F1tv can watch any pov of any session live or prerecorded
@@theoausborn5682 but there is no onboard telemetry on F1TV
比較動画おもしろかったです。
最高速度が裏ストレートではなくてホームストレートだったのが意外。
F1 cars have been massively slowed down in the low speed corners for the last decade. Current cars are over 150KG heavier and much longer than the 2010 cars ( which had the most amount of downforce in the V8 era ). Obviously in the high speed corners they're unreal, but a lighter car is always much more fun to drive.
they need to bring these cars back to at least the 750 kg mark. still relatively heavy, but much better than 800 kg
I wished that the double diffuser/blown diffuser era overlapped in the V8 era the downforce would have been insane
I remember the 2010 Red Bull car taking Campsa flat at like 260kph my mind was blown incredible machine
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 where's campsa?
I know Seb took copse corner of silverstone flat out with 290 kph
@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 turn 9 Barcelona the high speed right hand corner
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 ahh yeah. Even faster than 2022 cars through that corner.
Super Formula = F1.5 ?
Syncing the two cars sector by sector was a smarter move than just showing the full laps. It's able to show the differences in the two cars that way. Though, adding the lap times of each car during the video would also help visualize the time differences better than just stating it in the captions
What's the science in the SF tires? They look so stylish with the angular sides
Yokohama is the tire supplier for SF and they just use two sets of compound which are Soft & Hard alongside a Full Wet tire for obvious wet conditions.
Maybe you could compare the worst f1 car of a season with the best f2 car of that season? I think it would be fun
Very informativ video. Lots of thanks.
Didn’t realise SF cars were that quick compared to F1, despite the lesser power. Got to question spending so much to develop cars that actually aren’t that much faster, and with more power the SF car would be way closer.
Very interesting! I'd love to see more of these with other tracks and/or other racing series. What about Indycar VS F1 at COTA next time 🤓?
What i love about the super formula graphics is it actually shows how much the driver is on the break. Not like F1 where it shows as on or off
SF car is only 4 cylinders too which makes it even more impressive
4 cylinder?!?! Still sounds better than the F1 V6 engine 😅
Really nice illustration of what the aero is doing vs the engine/drag on high speed sections.
i would love to see an SF vs F2 comparison
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They don't race on the same tracks so we can't have a direct real life comparison. But SF cars would surely smash the F2 cars
F1, PLEASE, GIVE US THE BRAKE TELEMETRY IN 0 - 100%, NOT ON/OFF
Do it like SF I beg you!!
I think the first comment kinda sums it up: F1 cars have more HP hence they're faster hence it takes less time for them to cover all parts of the track. The effect being less pronounced in the corners.
A como mistake here, SF19 car has 640hp not 550hp, the 550 value comes from the older SF14 chasis and I dont wikipedia still hasnt uploaded that value.
this channel is amazing!
These videos are great 👍🏻
What is the name of the song?
Also, nice edit and cool to see the difference between F1 and other competitions
did you find out?
Oh yesss finally we can have an updated comparison between these two cars
F1の下位チームとなら互角かそれ以上の戦いができそう。
it’s crazy how much slower f1 cars are this year due to weight and tires
Not that much. Only 1 second in fast tracks
@@JotaV2502 you’re wrong. belgium 2020 was a 41.2. 2022 was a 44.7. huge difference
@@jeffreylawler I'm saying compared to 2021, and about Monza and Jeddah, I'm not wrong. The difference was around 1 second. Actually less than 1 second in Jeddah. 2022 cars can be faster than 2021 in high speed corners
@@JotaV2502 it’s true for a few tracks that only have high speed corners. but for a majority of tracks this season they are much slower than the years before
@@jeffreylawler 43.7
Super formula seems to be the all-rounder version in the open wheel series, the weight shift when turning to maintain both speed and grip gives it an overall better average speed than other open wheelers
tnx for the video!
Interesting, we need to see f2 vs SF now pls 🙏
This is such a more useful comparison format
With the ground effect, f1 got slower especially in the low speed corners. I think the diffrence will be alot bigger if compared to the 2021 cars
2022 cars are on average around 1-1.5 seconds slower than 2021 cars.
it won’t surprise me if 2023 cars are around as fast as 2021.
Still the fastest F1 car ever is the mercedes w11, corners were a joke to that car, a true F1 legend
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm i dont think so unless the regs change to allow lower kerb weight.
Always nice to watch Super Formula onboards.
We got SF19-23 and 1 F1 car in GT7. But I don't really know where to place the SF in the real Formula world. Is an SF car in the game closer to a real world formula car like the F2 in top speed.
Just for the fun of it.
I'm just trying to create a possibility to race timetrails on the few tracks GT7 has with real life F1 action.
Great video btw. Thanks.
Great comparison!
need to compare SF with F2! Once the F2 cars are much slower than F1 and F2 is considered a preparation for F1 tough, but yeah, it's a nice video
Fantastic comparisons. I've seen a handful of your vids but you got a subscriber with this one.
Can i ask, Why Super Formula just didn't do like Indycar type of races that when u can race road course on modern cities like Tokyo, Osaka,Fukuoka and etc(and the road are very smooth as well compare to Indycar Road Course like St Petersberg,Detroit)this series is very competitive yet the calendar size is way too less. And other question is Super Formula can't expand to other countries just because of cost or is the name(the way I say name is because JGTC(Super GT) can't expand due to the name is National Championship and Cost, but after rename Super GT they do expand to Thailand and Malaysia(although these years might be impossible due to covid), why Super Formula can do the same with their counterpart?
a lot of the drivers in SF also race in Super GT as well in the same season, so the scheduling needs to acommodate both of the series
Japan is reluctant to hold races with public roads closed. This year, Formula E will finally be held in Tokyo. In order to spread the word about SuperGT and Super Formula, we would like to hold the event on public roads. I think the reason why it is difficult to hold an event overseas is because not only the drivers but also the team staff work in both SuperGT and Super Formula.(Google Transration)
in the last chicane, Super Formula actually gained something at Formula 1
Could you do this type of comparison for indycar at Cota after f1 qualifying there next race?
if you look at it that way, it's pure power so the super formula is more efficient.
i would love to have seen W11 on this track. how faster would it have been than this years pole lap
I think it would've been about 3 sec faster
That car would have easily gotten into the 1:26s maybe even the 25s
The weight plays a key role, SF is 670Kg, F1 is 798Kg (both including driver)
No video for Ocon's defense against Hamilton in Japan?
0:38 even with the 20 hp loss because of E10, F1 are at around 1000 hp
that’s what i was thinking
Think F1 cars have around 1050hp maybe slightly more now 1000hp is just the baseline figure Im sure any power loss from E10 would have been brought back with different mapping
Please do a Super GT (GT500) comparison with GT3 cars
There's really no need to. You can just watch it happen every round of the series because GT300 is filled with GT3 cars.
@@WaifuWarsRacing I know that. But the cool thing about those videos are the side by side comparison and explanation.
Thats my point
Very surprising downforce levels of Super Formula!
I'm not sure the conclusion that F1 is much better in high speed corners is as obvious: Super formula doesn't reach as high speeds as F1 before fast corners. The acceleration might be the limiting factor in high speed corners.
E.g. Superformula reached 130R at 279kph and basically didn't loose any speed going through the corner. We can't know if it would be able to do the corner at 300kph as well if only it had a more powerful engine to get it to that speed before the corner.
You said F1 has 950hp. They claim to be 850hp turbo ICE, 160hp electric, for 1010hp, 798kg. But realistically, after several years of development they are probably more in the 1050hp - 1100hp range. With that said, good for you Super Formula, LOL. 543hp, 660kg, and 7 seconds less at Suzuka? And at about half the horsepower? That's very impressive. Even F2 would be no where near as fast at Suzuka. And they have 620hp at 755kg. Awesome. I'm gonna start watching SF more often.
F1 engines have lost 20-30bhp since last year due to 2022 E10 fuel. 1010-1020bhp is about correct.
@@jash2622 I agree to some power loss, but they've been running E5 for several years now and the belief is 2-3 years ago they were at 1030-1050hp on E5. And from what I've read, and seen from analysists, is they believe all teams had more power from mid 2020 to the end of last year. From several years of engine development. ~1050-1070hp on E5. Maybe more, we really don't know. I'd agree with a 20hp average loss on E10. So they are probably back in the ~1030-1050hp range.
Hi mate. Thanks for this comparison and analysis. Very interesting. I have a request. It would be possible to compare Super Formula with Formula 2. That would be almost on the same level. Thank you.
imagine that lighter, smaller SF layout brought to F1 then added 1000hp f1 engine (idealy simpler and lighter than current ones), DRS, get free hand on aero development, pirelly slicks and best drivers. Probably would be as fast if not faster than current ones. We would got smaller nimbler cars and better racing
I am 100% sure that a super formula car with F1-type power outputs can easily compete in F1, especially considering this isn't even the SF record for Suzuka, which is a 1.34.5.
Max's lap is really smooth
Sebs’ as well. His steering input in his quali was so smooth.
最高速の伸びがどうしても劣ってしまうけど、コーナーリングは、F1に最も近いマシンかもね。
The main problem with modern F1 cars is their weight and this video once again shows that.. They are to heavy at 798kg minimum weight.. SF is 670kg.. That's a almost 130kg difference, which is huge in the racing world.. I hope F1 can work on making the cars lighter (and smaller) again in the future..
I also noticed that Super Formula has a much different steering wheel compared to Formula 1.
wow... I thought SF was making somewhere between 600-650HP, since the engine are pretty much comparable to SuperGT GT500 cars.
Yes. You're right.
Oh damn, I remembered Tomoki Nojiri collided with Toshiki Oyu in this year's Suzuka GP of Super Formula, Oyu was looking at his sights for a pole-to-win, but Nojiri ruined it.
What is the meter on the SF side next to the throttle meter that says engine? Is that like SF's version of ERS? Im not familiar with SF at all
SF has an OTS system (similar to IndyCar's Push to Pass) where they use a bit more fuel to get more power rather than using DRS. (SF still do refueling)
All driver has the same allocated number of times they can use that system (they have around 100s of use in total) and they can use that system freely on any part of the track. The system itself can be used for both attacking or defending so it brings another layer for strategy.
Just a tachometer
Going off of just this video SF looks like it would be more interesting to watch.
On a different note- I wish F1 could experiment more like they used to, there's way too many regulations =\
Hi can you please do a comparison on the super formula vs f2 vs Indy car. Im sure in not the only person who is interested in this. There is no content on these 3 cars which on paper seem like rivals
Sadly unless all those three cars have been racing at the same circuit then the chance for a comparison is pretty slim.
Very nice comparison. I liked SF cars. One question: why is the -7 gap against Max's name in a yellow color?) I guess it should be green if it's a gap in favor of Max Verstappen
Comparison in the Merc era would be insane
Tyres that can be pushed help. Proper race tyres.
Nice work bro
I don't know why F1 teams don't send more junior academy drivers into Super Formula. Seems like that car is better preparation than F2.