What's trending is how kids imagine a person coming from money would dress, which is almost comical coming from them - with funny results indeed. I can imagine next time they'll come up with the "venture capitalist" style and all of them will start to believe that VCs actually wear one-eyed glasses and top hats.
Classic menswear encompasses the history of working class and middle class fashion, as well as that of the wealthy. I would not use old money interchangeably with classic menswear because it is narrowed towards the latter.
That's that, someone had to nail it, and you guys just did. Old Money is quickly turning into a general vintage inspired try-hard look, keeping it modest and classic is the way to go ;)
I took the step, and I finally done it. I dress up every time I go out. Spearpointed french cuffed shirt, oxford bags with bracers, brown and white full brogues, and lindy hop style ties. Let's not forget my brown fedora too! You guys inspired me and educated me a lot. I feel 1000% better in myself, and I look forward to dressing up. I also use brilliantine in my hair. I'm going to get some buttoniers from you guys next, then maybe some feathers to put in my hat. You guys are the best 👌
Unless I'm going to say Home Depot, I'll try to go for a classic look. Vintage French Cuffed Shirts, with modern bow ties, and often a vintage French Connection UK vest.
I think you should watch the video about what it means to be a gentleman, a gentleman sees everyone as equal, in the video the example is a homeless man, but it applies to the color of your skin too. A Gentleman shouldn't judge another man by the color of his skin but the behavior he shows. (Sorry for my bad English, I'm a German teen just learning to be a gentleman)
@@markwhite8332 Exactly what culture is the business suit representing? If it's associated with one specific ethnicity, which one? Is a Japanese salaryman in a suit also culturally appropriating the suit? What about a black or Hispanic man at a funeral? Modern business suits are not traditional or folk costume. They were developed for a specific type of event, not an ethnic class or even an income level.
The movie stars of the 30's and 40's impress me. They wear their suits and clothing so effortlessly, so elegantly, so realistically and look great all the while.
My experience seeing old money, new money, no money, and other people's money, tells me that everyone dresses to impress their peers, not other people's peers. So it would follow that old money dresses for other old money people. And the one thing they seem to have in common, is the irrelevancy of cost of whatever others are wearing. You wouldn't ask, heaven forbid, and no one in that peer group would mention cost. It's in bad taste. Old money, in direct contrast to new money, doesn't want to upstage someone else, or chance drawing attention to someone's economic picture. How much money people have is not a meaningful measure of the person. And to draw attention to wealth (or the lack of) would be unkind. The entertainment media caricature of old wealth is often wrong about this, and think old money people are flaunting their wealth. That isn't old money. That's new money. So when they compliment someone on an item or outfit, it bears no relation on what label it is, or how much was paid. In this way old money is far more attentive to the actual product or style on that person. And both parties in such a conversation know that the other isn't judging them by something as mundane as money. That's something new money people do. And this means that they tend to shun items of dress that display labels. Displaying brands is the same thing as telling people what you spent. And when you compliment an old money person on some garment or item, they will just say thanks. And if ask them about it, they will often "forget" where they got it, or that they've had it for years, or it was handed down from their dad, or some other thing to convey something covered above - avoiding attaching the idea of cost to the item. If they tell you, are they bragging? Bragging isn't old money. But you needn't be a clotheshorse or have a huge closet filled with clothes (though you can, if you want), to be old money. But you must have the appropriate formality for the situation. And here you find attention often to a few excellent pieces for each type of activity. Mostly, the goal is to fit in well with the general ambiance of the place and occasion. If they are the best dressed in the room, it is a coincidence, not an intention. So yeah, a ball cap if you're doing ball cap stuff. And this can and often does lead to old money people wearing worn and repaired clothing. If you like something, honor it by mending and wearing. An old money people are not going to judge that repair negatively. The repair allows one to keep wearing something they like and enjoy. Remember, they are dressing for other people who would do the same. Look nice for the kind of people who don't care what you spent. New money is the opposite. New money is eager to display wealth, and more importantly, to compare wealth. They will dress to draw the attention of other people who are impressed by monetary wealth. They will spend more on cars and clothes than the old money does, simply because that is what s important. The value to them is how much it cost. This makes sense, because unless you've had money a long time, money is important. It is what allows you to have nice things. And the coveting of those nice things often motivates people to strive for more money. After a few generations, and with trust funds established, or basic needs thoroughly met, it is much easier to ignore wealth. This is true in a broader picture as well. Once you stop thinking about where you are going to get money, and so long as you live comfortably within your means, it is much easier to quite worrying about it. So old money people might have been friends since private school, but be widely separated by actual wealth. This makes keeping cost out of the conversation, and especially out of your presentation. Dress old money by dressing with understated taste, and avoid drawing attention to cost. Wear what is appropriate for the occasion following the rule in the last sentence. Don't try and show anyone up. Don't mention price or brand. Don't answer questions about price or brand with those you don't know very well, and don't insult the person who asked. That's the old money aesthetic.
This is well-thought and well-stated, --especially in light of GENTLEMEN having concern about what's appropriate, and consideration for the feelings of others.
I found this channel while looking for information about fountain pens and oh my gosh, I'm hooked. I'm not even a gentleman! Just a Gen X lady who grew up wearing grunge. Haha! But I find everything about this channel to be so pleasant and charming!
I must confess that I was totally clueless whenever I saw the terms "old money vs new money" pop up on various TH-cam men's influencer changes until now after viewing your channel and getting both a definition and an actual breakdown of what the terms mean thanks for sharing!
I'm always fascinated by style trends. I'd be really interested in you all's take on the academia trends (dark and light academia) and where it falls in terms of classic menswear and decor.
Classic style is a much broader term than "old money". What "old money" does is it takes certain styles that some influencers (who themselves aren't typically old money) promote as something worn by people of a certain background. However, in the end it all boils down to Loro Piana baseball caps or Brunello Cucinelli sherling coats, so it's all about the brand name and *signaling* "old money". The mindet is no different than "hypebeasts" who just chase the clout and the brand name rather than quality. It's also literally a social media fad versus the people who cherish classic style are pasionate about the history of the garments, the fabrics, yarns, shoe construction and what not.
Can you make a video on how to wear and pair camel hair garments in classic menswear? I recently bought a camel sport coat and I'm struggling to combine it. Thank you!
I often pair my camel hair sport coat with my off white khaki trousers. I try to combine it with lighter earth tones like beige, white, or light brown to help make the outfit feel more casual and easy going. I also pair it with darker earth tones like brown, navy blue, or charcoal grey. Camel hair is a fabric usually reserved for the colder times of the year, so when it comes to fabrics to pair with camel hair, materials and fabrics such as wool, cotton, corduroy, or khakis. Patterns would also be a great addition to combine with your outfit to give it more visual interest.
Looking good Preston. I am glad that you put a tie on for this one. You finally realized the error in your ways of not wearing one in your videos? BTW; Redford as Gatsby is who I prefer in that role, and rhe associated cast in that movie. Thank you for this video discussion. Also, I love the nautical inspired blazers, with and without gold colored buttons. I wear tan wool trousers with mine.
At 6:55, the jacket (in my opinion) looks too tight, There are several lines of stress. But, other than that, all of the clothes look wonderful. Love that jacket at 9:39 w/the center pleat & then side pleats in back. Nice !!
@@Taugtaug depends but some have long term relationship with very talented and local to them tailoring shops or shoemakers that you won't find in the _fashionable_ sartorial guides... 😉
I'd probably revise....Blood/Gang Money wears logos. Watch a lot of mafia and cartel bosses of today in interviews, photos, etc. But they also are associated with work, especially with company logos on them. So there's a whole ethos to when and where you wear the shirts. But things like "Big Pony polos" have been around enough for long enough, and have the right heritage (though casual) that they have a classic style element to them. It's just that you have to be aware of who wears it when/where in what situations.
Here's the thing. I was once on a course with a Cavalry officer who was from a very wealthy, and very well connected family. He described his family as 'new money' as they had **only** made their fortune in the eighteenth century! I once knew an Earl (his title, not his name) who dressed very normally and drove an ordinary family car and worked as a Nurse in our local hospital, but still took his seat in the House of Lords.
OMA is traditional British noble dress in my opinion. I have observed that American Old Money would usually wear clothing akin to traditional British college students uniforms (think Oxford and Eaton, which have inspired classic menswear). There's a wonderful episode of The Crown (S5E3) where an Egyptian man asks for the help of a valet that once served the Duke of Windsor, to integrate into British high society. Clothing choices for setting and activities are covered. As for American Old Money, the Great Gatsby movie is full of great examples from all the actors (even the extras). I looked into it and the costume designer said they consulted Brooks Brothers for their historical input. One time I did wear what might be an OMA ensemble to work (it was something I saw in movies when a rich person or someone who came into money would wear). It was a navy blue cashmere/wool blend blazer with gold buttons, classic cut khaki chinos, white dress shirt, red and blue tie, and black wingtips. My supervisor asked me to meet him in his office so we could talk about how I am dressing too nice for the work we do.
OMA holds great value to “what is appropriate” as passed down by your parents, grandparents drummed into you from childhood, lol where classic style has more freedom for creativity IMO. Great video👍👍 especially love your shoes and cufflinks today Preston👍
The ultimate Old Money outfit is a faded, slightly frayed barn coat (that was your fathers), riding pants, and Wellies. Worn when you are in your stables, seeing after your hunting horses. Old Money is less of a style than an attitude. - items are suitable for the occasion - Items have a long life, and won't look out of fashion in 15 years. - No branding, logos, or other advertising on your clothes. - Most Old Money people have little interest in clothing or fashion. They'll let a stylist / valet / lady's maid choose their outfit for important occasions.
The men I have met over the years who have come from "old money" generally have dressed in a classic style, but so did my Italian-American grandfather, who was quite poor. For my grandparents, and for my mother, dressing well was a matter of dignity, not money.
Has the team at the Gentlemans gazette looked at Walker Slater's suits and sports coats at all? I've heard Sartorial Talks say good things about it but wanted to know if the team here has any experience with it. Thanks, love the channel.
With OMA you don't want others to remember specific items of your attire -- you just leave them with a general notion of your outfit, and that it looked good. And that makes it incredibly difficult to pull off -- you have to actually not care if people think you're rich.
New money tries too hard, including by trying to achieve the OMA. A bit like Niles in Frasier. Actual old money doesn’t care too much and, here in the UK, are often more relaxed about what they wear. As commented below, aristocracy are usually scruffy because they have no money. The main thing is not to judge or think less of people just because of what they wear.
Yes! Thank you! Take off your hat when you go indoors! Always! Women keep dress hats on as part of their outfit, unless at a space where you're blocking the view of others. Having been DNA'd into me to take off all hats indoors, though, I take mine off, it feels too weird to wear any indoors.
Informative video, thank you! There is some overlap between classic style and OMA, but classic style is not restricted to Ivy League or aristocracy. Classic style was worn by all classes over the centuries. Today's OMA movement has some parallels with the Preppie movement in the 1970s and 80s, which was built around (and restricted to the Ivy League look). Classic style has a richer history which includes military style influence and 19th century working class.
I was looking for this comment. Preppy style aped the fashion habits of a certain class and location (summers in Kennebunkport folks) without much discrimination-the silly looking was embraced along with the classic. I suspect OMA will do the same, although I’m not sure who we’re aping. If Volvo 240s come back, though, I’m down with it.
Actually Classics style you have on your comes from old money culture traditionally from British and European culture. The differences is that it’s just only classic look about suits only as a subculture. Whilst old money (OMA) is diverse range of both suits, leisure, philosophy, lifestyle and wealth in apply which might be a trend among the mainstream lower classes now. But will never faded among the elite
Classic menswear is the clothing worn during the golden age of menswear or before, during which, fashion was dictated by the aristocracy, and worn by everyone, so, classic menswear was worn by everyone at the time, not only "old money".
In #8 Appropriate you briefly mention the OMA businessman, I would've liked you to go a bit more in-depth on that. I associate OMA with "not having to work" so more towards #6 Lifestyle Oriented. What defines OMA business style, how does it differ from classic style business?
the main difference is that you delegate to carefully selected others most of the business day to day stuff and don't think you should act like a proverbial c-suite know-it all arsehole. also you're not there to impress your peers or flaunt your idea of wealth. 😉
I have a question regarding cleaning suits and fine cloths. I saw in another video where you talked about washing them in a washing machine. However I hand wash all my cloths old school style with a washboard and wringer. Would it be possible to wash dry clean garments this way? The Victorians and many other generations wore fine cloths before electricity was even thought of, and things still needed washed from time to time.
I'm from the UK and even I'd love to see videos on incorporating American Western/South-Western style into classic menswear. Bolo ties, cowboy hats, western boots, snap-fastening shirts
@@dubuyajay9964 I'm from Scotland & so I'm used to thinking about incorporating my own country's clothing & heritage into different settings, dress codes and so on. I'm often struck by how strong that type of culture is in the American South-West. We both do things our own way
It seems that this trend is aspirational in a way that has long been popular in the United States, and manifests in different ways at different times. Those of us who grew up in households of very modest means, where classic style was worn, appreciate the difference between these two related but distinct modes of dress,.
I personally have four key factors that define the OMA, which are: 1. The exclusive wearing of bespoke/MTM and/or high-quality well fitted RTW/OTR garments. 2. A wardrobe colour palette that exclusively consists of black, navy blue, charcoal grey, midnight blue, steel grey, white, light blue, cream, ivory, camel, tan, chocolate brown and beige respectively. Colours like red, burgundy, pink, and green are reserved for statement pieces and accessories. 3. The lack of flashy logos and labels displayed on one's garments and emphasising colour, fit, material, and outfit coordination alone to stand out. 4. The exclusive lack of wearing modern accessories/footwear like baseball caps, trucker caps, sneakers (expect for when exercising), crocs, thongs/filp-flops, flashy watches, excessive amount of jewellery etc.
I think there is a difference between UK and US OMA. I think UK old money is a bit scruffy tbh and often unkempt. I think, buying fewer clothes sometimes gives outfits an almost mismatched look, and often worn in. OMA is tied into our class system too. I'm nowhere near old money or new money tbh but fun to watch! it takes all sorts to make the world go round!
What do you think of the new Ralp Lauren Polo Uniques line? Heavily Peaky Blinders inspired. Also, pls a video on Rugby shirts, Arran and Fair Isle sweaters.
Old money vs new money was based on prep schools where the children of the rich would learn about which fork to use to eat their salad. Its behavioral, not related to what you wear.
I've really been enjoying your videos, but as a 40-something with zero fashion sense, I find the whole thing incredibly intimidating. Granted y'all say that it's just a matter of education, but even after watching your quite well-produced and educational videos I'm still lost and scared of making an expensive mistake.
Thank you for your support! Are you looking to change your style with a classic inspiration? If so, there are subtle ways you can start that hopefully won't be too intimidating. First up: look at the cut of your clothes, and the clothes you want to wear. From there, things get easier 😉 We've also got our quiz that will help you get the style advice that'll help you more specifically: gentl.mn/take-the-quiz-now
@@gentlemansgazette Thanks for the response. Like I said, I've really been enjoying the content. I've somewhat recently started worrying more about quality of the items in my life, leading to considering more vintage items; for example, I switched to fountain pens and quality paper, and have started sending longhand correspondence again. I've always liked the *look* of dress clothes (Edwardian attire, ala Poirot, is appealing), but never felt comfortable in them; wearing an off-the-rack suit for weddings, funerals, and job interviews has always been an exercise in frustration between overheating, tight or loose fits, and awful shoes. Thus, I've always just put function over form. I generally am in hawaiian shirts, cargo shorts or jeans, and Keens (one of the few shoes I've found that fit me well). I started down the clothes rabbit hole by looking at adding a waistcoat over a button down shirt and jeans, but now I find myself wanting to up my game a bit. I could see doing a decent shirt, waistcoat, and suit pants as step one, then upgrading shoes and adding a suit coat or something as step two.
Honestly, unless it's a special event or they're over 50, the old money around here (UK countryside) wears whatever is expensive and in fashion. Ironically it's often the new money townies who wear classic menswear.
I find the whole thing rather silly since the whole class notion of "old money" doesn't really exist anymore. I live in New York City and anytime I'm on the Upper East Side, the rich people there dress rather pedestrian and unremarkable.
Running the risk of sounding cynical, what is largely understood as 'Old money aesthetic' on the internet today is simply another fashion trend that happens to be named as such, in my opinion. It's really nothing to do with what old money actually wears or used to wear, but rather consists of what some people with a following believe old money wears or used to wear.
I think old money and classic aesthetic are not the same but overlap. For example I can find some beautiful classic clothing items at a thrift store (like tweed, silk, all leather, etc.) for Essentially pennies on the dollar. Regardless of the monetary cost those items (in my opinion) those kinds of pieces are higher quality.
Speaking of old money and quality, if you ever do anything on classic outdoors pursuits, I'm your man on split bamboo fly rods. Not so much on streamside attire....or English shotguns
Aristocracy is by definition “old money”. Since there is no aristocracy in the US, as there is no monarchy, the families that are, essentially, aristocratic in America, are referred to as “old money”. Old money are not necessarily super rich. Some of them might actually be struggling financially, but they still belong to the “right circle”, they count many generations of ancestors, sometimes going back to colonial America and the founding of the United States, they have connections, they graduate from elite universities, even if that is very expensive for them, they belong to elite social clubs, even if paying the dues is something they can barely afford. Belonging to the elite social circle is something they hold on to by all means, even if that’s not something that they can, objectively, afford. Speaking of style, of course there are plenty of people among the “old money”, who don’t really care at all about what they wear, there are those who dress fashionably, and then there are those who stick to the “trad” look. However, it probably wouldn’t be incorrect to say that whatever they choose to wear, they prefer restrained styles and avoid ostentation, although, there are exceptions to every rule of course, and occasionally you may see “old money” wear canary yellow pants, pink bow ties, and other such questionable attire.
may i ask so i change my style to italian look though im filipino and weather here much sunny than rainy days....soo im wearing chino short or pants pair with long or short sleeves button shirt. for my head accessories brown sunglass not big , fitted to eye below eyebrows then a straw hat, for middle part wristwatch w quartz not digital and gemstone bracelet and for sometimes i wear tassle loafer or leather sandals. 🙏 i hope you reply
I remember reading somewhere, unfortunately I forgot where, that OMA came from the depression. During the depression many wealthy people were being kidnapping. So to “blend in” a little more they started buying less flashy items and stopped wearing extravagant items. While still maintaining the idea of having the appropriate clothes for every occasion. To this day if you look at the cars that come in and out of old money country clubs (the one by me has a small sign that it could be easily overlooked), often they’re not the BMW or Mercedes. You’ll see Chevrolets, Fords Volvos and Jeeps.
I'm confused at your suggestion that nobility is not old money. Nobility might be a special case of old money, but they are a quintessential example of everything OMA stands for. They are exclusionary, their wealth and culture are passed through inheritance, their wealth goes back more generations than they can follow, they have the absurd kind of wealth that seems like it will never run out (although it has in quite a few cases), they wear the same clothes in their respective countries... I've certainly never heard anybody argue that nobility doesn't count, and I've heard a few people argue that *only* nobility counts, that *everyone else* is new money by comparison.
LET'S GOOOOO!!! eat that you annoying tiktokers and instagram "influencers"... they are so annoying.. holy heck.. THANK YOU for making this video! also sartorial talks did an excellent video too, with sonya as the host.
My brother is getting married in 2 years, and he assumed that him and the groomsmen would just get their tux’s from Men’s Warehouse. I can’t have that and I offered to take him somewhere with a little more authenticity. We live in Wisconsin, so does anyone have any suggestions of places we could go for fittings and so on either in Wisconsin or Minnesota? Money won’t be a problem since it’ll be my wedding gift to him. Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
I'm sure that the GG staff have good intentions. Viewed a few episodes - mildly entertaining/amusing. IMHO: shop Ben Silver and Brooks Brothers, or go the bespoke route. Some good deals can be had on reduced offerings. It seems that GG tries too hard to assemble ensembles; reminds one of a adolescent desperately seeking to appear dapper. The majority of the showcased dressings appear contrived, not effortless. One thing does ring true. Know the rules, then bend them to create a GENUINE personal style; don't follow trends. For active wear go to Burberry, Beretta, and Eddie Bauer. The Belvedere shop does offer some nice accessories. p.s. the late Julian Bream knew how to best dress for the occasion and Vladimir Horowitz was THE bow tie ambassador.
I certainly hope that this youtube channel and others like it revive interest in proper gentlemanly attire, 🕴⌚️🎩 because we are seeing far too many adult men in hoodies nowadays.😒
99.9% of the time, I am perfectly fine wearing jeans and an untucked shirt, the only way I know to wear a shirt. This must be sacrilege to you. I enjoy the channel because of how different it is from the way I think about clothing, but I do think it's all down to what makes us ourselves.
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Now that "Old Money" is trending, I'm so glad you distinguished one style from the other.
What's trending is how kids imagine a person coming from money would dress, which is almost comical coming from them - with funny results indeed. I can imagine next time they'll come up with the "venture capitalist" style and all of them will start to believe that VCs actually wear one-eyed glasses and top hats.
Classic menswear encompasses the history of working class and middle class fashion, as well as that of the wealthy. I would not use old money interchangeably with classic menswear because it is narrowed towards the latter.
I can see how some people might have trouble with the distinction. To some, fancy is fancy!
A blk man in a business suit is cultural appropriation.
Business suit was created in London.
Just as a wht person in a dashiki
it's WASP fashion, my working class grandfathers both wear/wore chinos and a crisp white shirt. It's just English, not really 'rich'.
That's that, someone had to nail it, and you guys just did. Old Money is quickly turning into a general vintage inspired try-hard look, keeping it modest and classic is the way to go ;)
I consider myself a proponent of No Money Aesthetics.
It has been working out for me just fine so far.
I'm a student of what you might call a Walmart Customer Aesthetic.
As long as you’re not wearing Crocs 😂
Funny, one can have great style with very limited funds or no style with lots of money!
That shirt and tie combination is absolutely spot on
I took the step, and I finally done it. I dress up every time I go out. Spearpointed french cuffed shirt, oxford bags with bracers, brown and white full brogues, and lindy hop style ties. Let's not forget my brown fedora too!
You guys inspired me and educated me a lot. I feel 1000% better in myself, and I look forward to dressing up. I also use brilliantine in my hair. I'm going to get some buttoniers from you guys next, then maybe some feathers to put in my hat.
You guys are the best 👌
Unless I'm going to say Home Depot, I'll try to go for a classic look. Vintage French Cuffed Shirts, with modern bow ties, and often a vintage French Connection UK vest.
Sounds like a cool outfit. Just don't go overboard with the vintage inspired styling because the outfit might look costumey real quick.
A very interesting video going in depth into a "buzz word" that I've grown to dislike- "Old Money". Thanks for this analysis!
Man Preston you look really handsome in your ensemble thank you for setting the example for us!
This is way more interesting than I thought it would be. Well done, Preston!
This video has Preston in one of the best outfits suiting his frame and body type.
Love that subtle play into Raphael's German heritage by calling the old money look "Oma"
Your videos are always of premium quality and packed with great content! I thoroughly enjoy watching them and have learned so much. Very well done 🥃
Thank you😀
@@gentlemansgazettea blk man in a business suit is cultural appropriation just as a wht man in a dashiki
I think you should watch the video about what it means to be a gentleman, a gentleman sees everyone as equal, in the video the example is a homeless man, but it applies to the color of your skin too. A Gentleman shouldn't judge another man by the color of his skin but the behavior he shows. (Sorry for my bad English, I'm a German teen just learning to be a gentleman)
@@markwhite8332 Exactly what culture is the business suit representing? If it's associated with one specific ethnicity, which one? Is a Japanese salaryman in a suit also culturally appropriating the suit? What about a black or Hispanic man at a funeral?
Modern business suits are not traditional or folk costume. They were developed for a specific type of event, not an ethnic class or even an income level.
I love how gentleman's gazette perfectly explains everything. And thank you for a another amazing video.
The movie stars of the 30's and 40's impress me. They wear their suits and clothing so effortlessly, so elegantly, so realistically and look great all the while.
Old Money is not about showing off, Old Money is about understated elegance and timelessness.
Another excellent video from Preston. I’ll go with Classic Style every time. I do love Preston’s outfit however, especially the necktie.
My experience seeing old money, new money, no money, and other people's money, tells me that everyone dresses to impress their peers, not other people's peers.
So it would follow that old money dresses for other old money people. And the one thing they seem to have in common, is the irrelevancy of cost of whatever others are wearing. You wouldn't ask, heaven forbid, and no one in that peer group would mention cost. It's in bad taste. Old money, in direct contrast to new money, doesn't want to upstage someone else, or chance drawing attention to someone's economic picture. How much money people have is not a meaningful measure of the person. And to draw attention to wealth (or the lack of) would be unkind.
The entertainment media caricature of old wealth is often wrong about this, and think old money people are flaunting their wealth. That isn't old money. That's new money.
So when they compliment someone on an item or outfit, it bears no relation on what label it is, or how much was paid. In this way old money is far more attentive to the actual product or style on that person. And both parties in such a conversation know that the other isn't judging them by something as mundane as money. That's something new money people do.
And this means that they tend to shun items of dress that display labels. Displaying brands is the same thing as telling people what you spent.
And when you compliment an old money person on some garment or item, they will just say thanks. And if ask them about it, they will often "forget" where they got it, or that they've had it for years, or it was handed down from their dad, or some other thing to convey something covered above - avoiding attaching the idea of cost to the item. If they tell you, are they bragging? Bragging isn't old money.
But you needn't be a clotheshorse or have a huge closet filled with clothes (though you can, if you want), to be old money. But you must have the appropriate formality for the situation. And here you find attention often to a few excellent pieces for each type of activity. Mostly, the goal is to fit in well with the general ambiance of the place and occasion. If they are the best dressed in the room, it is a coincidence, not an intention. So yeah, a ball cap if you're doing ball cap stuff.
And this can and often does lead to old money people wearing worn and repaired clothing. If you like something, honor it by mending and wearing. An old money people are not going to judge that repair negatively. The repair allows one to keep wearing something they like and enjoy. Remember, they are dressing for other people who would do the same.
Look nice for the kind of people who don't care what you spent.
New money is the opposite. New money is eager to display wealth, and more importantly, to compare wealth. They will dress to draw the attention of other people who are impressed by monetary wealth.
They will spend more on cars and clothes than the old money does, simply because that is what s important. The value to them is how much it cost.
This makes sense, because unless you've had money a long time, money is important. It is what allows you to have nice things. And the coveting of those nice things often motivates people to strive for more money.
After a few generations, and with trust funds established, or basic needs thoroughly met, it is much easier to ignore wealth. This is true in a broader picture as well. Once you stop thinking about where you are going to get money, and so long as you live comfortably within your means, it is much easier to quite worrying about it.
So old money people might have been friends since private school, but be widely separated by actual wealth. This makes keeping cost out of the conversation, and especially out of your presentation.
Dress old money by dressing with understated taste, and avoid drawing attention to cost. Wear what is appropriate for the occasion following the rule in the last sentence. Don't try and show anyone up. Don't mention price or brand. Don't answer questions about price or brand with those you don't know very well, and don't insult the person who asked.
That's the old money aesthetic.
This is well-thought and well-stated, --especially in light of GENTLEMEN having concern about what's appropriate, and consideration for the feelings of others.
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Great comment.
And one more Thing: Most old Money men doesn't wear Classic menswear anymore. They are not Always style enthusiasts.
thank you, it's impossible to sum it up any better
@@louistran016 Thanks.
"If granddaddy 's money is good enough for you, the the cut of this suit should be too". Thanks for the laugh, you're making my day.
Worded slightly different to how I know it, but certainly the sentiment is a classic itself!
I found this channel while looking for information about fountain pens and oh my gosh, I'm hooked. I'm not even a gentleman! Just a Gen X lady who grew up wearing grunge. Haha! But I find everything about this channel to be so pleasant and charming!
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I don’t think I would wear to suit the “old money” style. I don’t want to denote wealth, just good dressing style:)
Thanks for the video GG!
Informitave and entertaining video, gents!
I love your outfit Preston 😊
This is a great video & so are all of you guys!💕💕
Looking good and looking rich aren't always the same thing.
I must confess that I was totally clueless whenever I saw the terms "old money vs new money" pop up on various TH-cam men's influencer changes until now after viewing your channel and getting both a definition and an actual breakdown of what the terms mean thanks for sharing!
I'm always fascinated by style trends. I'd be really interested in you all's take on the academia trends (dark and light academia) and where it falls in terms of classic menswear and decor.
Classic style is a much broader term than "old money". What "old money" does is it takes certain styles that some influencers (who themselves aren't typically old money) promote as something worn by people of a certain background. However, in the end it all boils down to Loro Piana baseball caps or Brunello Cucinelli sherling coats, so it's all about the brand name and *signaling* "old money". The mindet is no different than "hypebeasts" who just chase the clout and the brand name rather than quality.
It's also literally a social media fad versus the people who cherish classic style are pasionate about the history of the garments, the fabrics, yarns, shoe construction and what not.
Can you make a video on how to wear and pair camel hair garments in classic menswear? I recently bought a camel sport coat and I'm struggling to combine it. Thank you!
I often pair my camel hair sport coat with my off white khaki trousers. I try to combine it with lighter earth tones like beige, white, or light brown to help make the outfit feel more casual and easy going. I also pair it with darker earth tones like brown, navy blue, or charcoal grey. Camel hair is a fabric usually reserved for the colder times of the year, so when it comes to fabrics to pair with camel hair, materials and fabrics such as wool, cotton, corduroy, or khakis. Patterns would also be a great addition to combine with your outfit to give it more visual interest.
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Looking good Preston. I am glad that you put a tie on for this one. You finally realized the error in your ways of not wearing one in your videos? BTW; Redford as Gatsby is who I prefer in that role, and rhe associated cast in that movie. Thank you for this video discussion. Also, I love the nautical inspired blazers, with and without gold colored buttons. I wear tan wool trousers with mine.
At 6:55, the jacket (in my opinion) looks too tight, There are several lines of stress. But, other than that, all of the clothes look wonderful. Love that jacket at 9:39 w/the center pleat & then side pleats in back. Nice !!
Thorough and apt analysis.
Old Money wears bespoke
New Money wears designer
No Money wears logos
I doubt that they realy wear bespoke. Only few style enthusiasts do
@@Taugtaug depends but some have long term relationship with very talented and local to them tailoring shops or shoemakers that you won't find in the _fashionable_ sartorial guides... 😉
I'd probably revise....Blood/Gang Money wears logos.
Watch a lot of mafia and cartel bosses of today in interviews, photos, etc.
But they also are associated with work, especially with company logos on them. So there's a whole ethos to when and where you wear the shirts.
But things like "Big Pony polos" have been around enough for long enough, and have the right heritage (though casual) that they have a classic style element to them. It's just that you have to be aware of who wears it when/where in what situations.
No money isn't wearing Versace, Gucci, Dolce Gabbana, Ralph Lauren, etc.
Could you make a video on top hats, like how you did on fedoras?
Here's the thing. I was once on a course with a Cavalry officer who was from a very wealthy, and very well connected family. He described his family as 'new money' as they had **only** made their fortune in the eighteenth century! I once knew an Earl (his title, not his name) who dressed very normally and drove an ordinary family car and worked as a Nurse in our local hospital, but still took his seat in the House of Lords.
Meanwhile this video makes the Murdoch family its first identified "old money" family!
OMA is traditional British noble dress in my opinion. I have observed that American Old Money would usually wear clothing akin to traditional British college students uniforms (think Oxford and Eaton, which have inspired classic menswear).
There's a wonderful episode of The Crown (S5E3) where an Egyptian man asks for the help of a valet that once served the Duke of Windsor, to integrate into British high society. Clothing choices for setting and activities are covered.
As for American Old Money, the Great Gatsby movie is full of great examples from all the actors (even the extras). I looked into it and the costume designer said they consulted Brooks Brothers for their historical input.
One time I did wear what might be an OMA ensemble to work (it was something I saw in movies when a rich person or someone who came into money would wear). It was a navy blue cashmere/wool blend blazer with gold buttons, classic cut khaki chinos, white dress shirt, red and blue tie, and black wingtips. My supervisor asked me to meet him in his office so we could talk about how I am dressing too nice for the work we do.
So what work do you do?
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OMA holds great value to “what is appropriate” as passed down by your parents, grandparents drummed into you from childhood, lol where classic style has more freedom for creativity IMO. Great video👍👍 especially love your shoes and cufflinks today Preston👍
The ultimate Old Money outfit is a faded, slightly frayed barn coat (that was your fathers), riding pants, and Wellies.
Worn when you are in your stables, seeing after your hunting horses.
Old Money is less of a style than an attitude.
- items are suitable for the occasion
- Items have a long life, and won't look out of fashion in 15 years.
- No branding, logos, or other advertising on your clothes.
- Most Old Money people have little interest in clothing or fashion. They'll let a stylist / valet / lady's maid choose their outfit for important occasions.
The men I have met over the years who have come from "old money" generally have dressed in a classic style, but so did my Italian-American grandfather, who was quite poor.
For my grandparents, and for my mother, dressing well was a matter of dignity, not money.
Preston's tie is 100% BOSS.
Yes very nice too.
In reality, there is no certain Look, old Money wears. Only Things Old Money wouldn't wear.
The Old Money Style ist an invention.
Has the team at the Gentlemans gazette looked at Walker Slater's suits and sports coats at all?
I've heard Sartorial Talks say good things about it but wanted to know if the team here has any experience with it. Thanks, love the channel.
I love quality in my clothes and life
I guess the test of any slow fashion style is, how long will it last? Will the aesthetics of OMA look good in twenty years?
With OMA you don't want others to remember specific items of your attire -- you just leave them with a general notion of your outfit, and that it looked good.
And that makes it incredibly difficult to pull off -- you have to actually not care if people think you're rich.
New money tries too hard, including by trying to achieve the OMA. A bit like Niles in Frasier. Actual old money doesn’t care too much and, here in the UK, are often more relaxed about what they wear. As commented below, aristocracy are usually scruffy because they have no money. The main thing is not to judge or think less of people just because of what they wear.
Yes! Thank you! Take off your hat when you go indoors! Always! Women keep dress hats on as part of their outfit, unless at a space where you're blocking the view of others. Having been DNA'd into me to take off all hats indoors, though, I take mine off, it feels too weird to wear any indoors.
Hmmm… not sure I agree with it all, but great work!
Informative video, thank you! There is some overlap between classic style and OMA, but classic style is not restricted to Ivy League or aristocracy. Classic style was worn by all classes over the centuries. Today's OMA movement has some parallels with the Preppie movement in the 1970s and 80s, which was built around (and restricted to the Ivy League look). Classic style has a richer history which includes military style influence and 19th century working class.
I was looking for this comment. Preppy style aped the fashion habits of a certain class and location (summers in Kennebunkport folks) without much discrimination-the silly looking was embraced along with the classic. I suspect OMA will do the same, although I’m not sure who we’re aping. If Volvo 240s come back, though, I’m down with it.
I love how the fabrics of the working man (corduroy, moleskin) were appopriated by the upper classes and are not considered posh.
Actually Classics style you have on your comes from old money culture traditionally from British and European culture. The differences is that it’s just only classic look about suits only as a subculture. Whilst old money (OMA) is diverse range of both suits, leisure, philosophy, lifestyle and wealth in apply which might be a trend among the mainstream lower classes now. But will never faded among the elite
Classic menswear is the clothing worn during the golden age of menswear or before, during which, fashion was dictated by the aristocracy, and worn by everyone, so, classic menswear was worn by everyone at the time, not only "old money".
In #8 Appropriate you briefly mention the OMA businessman, I would've liked you to go a bit more in-depth on that. I associate OMA with "not having to work" so more towards #6 Lifestyle Oriented. What defines OMA business style, how does it differ from classic style business?
the main difference is that you delegate to carefully selected others most of the business day to day stuff and don't think you should act like a proverbial c-suite know-it all arsehole. also you're not there to impress your peers or flaunt your idea of wealth. 😉
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I have a question regarding cleaning suits and fine cloths. I saw in another video where you talked about washing them in a washing machine. However I hand wash all my cloths old school style with a washboard and wringer. Would it be possible to wash dry clean garments this way? The Victorians and many other generations wore fine cloths before electricity was even thought of, and things still needed washed from time to time.
Alright, new game, take a shot every time Preston says "O.M.A."
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Can you do a vid on bolo ties for those of us West of the Mississippi please?
I'm from the UK and even I'd love to see videos on incorporating American Western/South-Western style into classic menswear. Bolo ties, cowboy hats, western boots, snap-fastening shirts
@@Molach101 Yes, definitely Leather Boots and Ten Gallon Hats as well. I think he already covered moccasins.
@@dubuyajay9964 I'm from Scotland & so I'm used to thinking about incorporating my own country's clothing & heritage into different settings, dress codes and so on. I'm often struck by how strong that type of culture is in the American South-West. We both do things our own way
@@Molach101 Yes, but I do want to see other ppl's takes on it.
It seems that this trend is aspirational in a way that has long been popular in the United States, and manifests in different ways at different times. Those of us who grew up in households of very modest means, where classic style was worn, appreciate the difference between these two related but distinct modes of dress,.
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I personally have four key factors that define the OMA, which are:
1. The exclusive wearing of bespoke/MTM and/or high-quality well fitted RTW/OTR garments.
2. A wardrobe colour palette that exclusively consists of black, navy blue, charcoal grey, midnight blue, steel grey, white, light blue, cream, ivory, camel, tan, chocolate brown and beige respectively. Colours like red, burgundy, pink, and green are reserved for statement pieces and accessories.
3. The lack of flashy logos and labels displayed on one's garments and emphasising colour, fit, material, and outfit coordination alone to stand out.
4. The exclusive lack of wearing modern accessories/footwear like baseball caps, trucker caps, sneakers (expect for when exercising), crocs, thongs/filp-flops, flashy watches, excessive amount of jewellery etc.
I think there is a difference between UK and US OMA. I think UK old money is a bit scruffy tbh and often unkempt. I think, buying fewer clothes sometimes gives outfits an almost mismatched look, and often worn in. OMA is tied into our class system too. I'm nowhere near old money or new money tbh but fun to watch! it takes all sorts to make the world go round!
Makes me think of Lapo Elkann wearing his grandfather, Gianni Agnelli’s bespoke suits with tennis shoes,
I have learned that I’m much to flashy to pull off the old money look. I like color too much.
What do you think of the new Ralp Lauren Polo Uniques line? Heavily Peaky Blinders inspired. Also, pls a video on Rugby shirts, Arran and Fair Isle sweaters.
Old money vs new money was based on prep schools where the children of the rich would learn about which fork to use to eat their salad. Its behavioral, not related to what you wear.
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I've really been enjoying your videos, but as a 40-something with zero fashion sense, I find the whole thing incredibly intimidating. Granted y'all say that it's just a matter of education, but even after watching your quite well-produced and educational videos I'm still lost and scared of making an expensive mistake.
Thank you for your support! Are you looking to change your style with a classic inspiration? If so, there are subtle ways you can start that hopefully won't be too intimidating. First up: look at the cut of your clothes, and the clothes you want to wear. From there, things get easier 😉 We've also got our quiz that will help you get the style advice that'll help you more specifically: gentl.mn/take-the-quiz-now
@@gentlemansgazette Thanks for the response. Like I said, I've really been enjoying the content.
I've somewhat recently started worrying more about quality of the items in my life, leading to considering more vintage items; for example, I switched to fountain pens and quality paper, and have started sending longhand correspondence again.
I've always liked the *look* of dress clothes (Edwardian attire, ala Poirot, is appealing), but never felt comfortable in them; wearing an off-the-rack suit for weddings, funerals, and job interviews has always been an exercise in frustration between overheating, tight or loose fits, and awful shoes. Thus, I've always just put function over form. I generally am in hawaiian shirts, cargo shorts or jeans, and Keens (one of the few shoes I've found that fit me well).
I started down the clothes rabbit hole by looking at adding a waistcoat over a button down shirt and jeans, but now I find myself wanting to up my game a bit. I could see doing a decent shirt, waistcoat, and suit pants as step one, then upgrading shoes and adding a suit coat or something as step two.
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In short: Old Money is basically dressing conventionally well, like any man should lol
Do you tell me the basics I should know when choosing a outfit
Has Sven already told you that Oma (Old money asthetics) is a german Word for grandmother😂
And Korean for mother
Honestly, unless it's a special event or they're over 50, the old money around here (UK countryside) wears whatever is expensive and in fashion. Ironically it's often the new money townies who wear classic menswear.
I find the whole thing rather silly since the whole class notion of "old money" doesn't really exist anymore. I live in New York City and anytime I'm on the Upper East Side, the rich people there dress rather pedestrian and unremarkable.
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review Report of the Week's style choices or do a collab with him in some other manner!
Fun fact: Gucci, LV and Prada are Old Money brands (with 'special' collections for rappers, tiktokers and Talahons)
"Old money" seems like a combination of "Classic" and "Quiet luxury". I prefer "Office Goth" rather than old money or quiet luxury.
This guy's going from Goth 2 Boss!
For the record, While LORD Grantham is not OMA LADY Grantham IS
She is new money.
Running the risk of sounding cynical, what is largely understood as 'Old money aesthetic' on the internet today is simply another fashion trend that happens to be named as such, in my opinion. It's really nothing to do with what old money actually wears or used to wear, but rather consists of what some people with a following believe old money wears or used to wear.
Kyle should talk about sapeur aesthetic one of these days
I think old money and classic aesthetic are not the same but overlap. For example I can find some beautiful classic clothing items at a thrift store (like tweed, silk, all leather, etc.) for Essentially pennies on the dollar. Regardless of the monetary cost those items (in my opinion) those kinds of pieces are higher quality.
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Conversely, sneakers. 😊
Classic Style is a way of dressing, while "Old Money" is a social class, especially since it's the US American version of "nobility" basically.
Speaking of old money and quality, if you ever do anything on classic outdoors pursuits, I'm your man on split bamboo fly rods. Not so much on streamside attire....or English shotguns
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9:06 - what movies are those shots from?
The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)
0:04 "how OLD money " with that tone when saying that word, I already knew I was in for a good video
Aristocracy is by definition “old money”. Since there is no aristocracy in the US, as there is no monarchy, the families that are, essentially, aristocratic in America, are referred to as “old money”. Old money are not necessarily super rich. Some of them might actually be struggling financially, but they still belong to the “right circle”, they count many generations of ancestors, sometimes going back to colonial America and the founding of the United States, they have connections, they graduate from elite universities, even if that is very expensive for them, they belong to elite social clubs, even if paying the dues is something they can barely afford. Belonging to the elite social circle is something they hold on to by all means, even if that’s not something that they can, objectively, afford.
Speaking of style, of course there are plenty of people among the “old money”, who don’t really care at all about what they wear, there are those who dress fashionably, and then there are those who stick to the “trad” look. However, it probably wouldn’t be incorrect to say that whatever they choose to wear, they prefer restrained styles and avoid ostentation, although, there are exceptions to every rule of course, and occasionally you may see “old money” wear canary yellow pants, pink bow ties, and other such questionable attire.
Oma is a vintage bussines casual 🎉
OMA is synonymous with the American Gilded Age.
may i ask so i change my style to italian look though im filipino and weather here much sunny than rainy days....soo im wearing chino short or pants pair with long or short sleeves button shirt. for my head accessories brown sunglass not big , fitted to eye below eyebrows then a straw hat, for middle part wristwatch w
quartz not digital and gemstone bracelet and for sometimes i wear tassle loafer or leather sandals. 🙏 i hope you reply
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I remember reading somewhere, unfortunately I forgot where, that OMA came from the depression. During the depression many wealthy people were being kidnapping. So to “blend in” a little more they started buying less flashy items and stopped wearing extravagant items. While still maintaining the idea of having the appropriate clothes for every occasion. To this day if you look at the cars that come in and out of old money country clubs (the one by me has a small sign that it could be easily overlooked), often they’re not the BMW or Mercedes. You’ll see Chevrolets, Fords Volvos and Jeeps.
I'm confused at your suggestion that nobility is not old money. Nobility might be a special case of old money, but they are a quintessential example of everything OMA stands for. They are exclusionary, their wealth and culture are passed through inheritance, their wealth goes back more generations than they can follow, they have the absurd kind of wealth that seems like it will never run out (although it has in quite a few cases), they wear the same clothes in their respective countries... I've certainly never heard anybody argue that nobility doesn't count, and I've heard a few people argue that *only* nobility counts, that *everyone else* is new money by comparison.
Agree
LET'S GOOOOO!!! eat that you annoying tiktokers and instagram "influencers"... they are so annoying.. holy heck.. THANK YOU for making this video! also sartorial talks did an excellent video too, with sonya as the host.
My brother is getting married in 2 years, and he assumed that him and the groomsmen would just get their tux’s from Men’s Warehouse. I can’t have that and I offered to take him somewhere with a little more authenticity. We live in Wisconsin, so does anyone have any suggestions of places we could go for fittings and so on either in Wisconsin or Minnesota? Money won’t be a problem since it’ll be my wedding gift to him. Any suggestions or advice is appreciated.
I don’t care much about the terms. I just think the late Victorian Menswear is the best.
Same
I'm sure that the GG staff have good intentions. Viewed a few episodes - mildly entertaining/amusing. IMHO: shop Ben Silver and Brooks Brothers, or go the bespoke route. Some good deals can be had on reduced offerings. It seems that GG tries too hard to assemble ensembles; reminds one of a adolescent desperately seeking to appear dapper. The majority of the showcased dressings appear contrived, not effortless. One thing does ring true. Know the rules, then bend them to create a GENUINE personal style; don't follow trends. For active wear go to Burberry, Beretta, and Eddie Bauer. The Belvedere shop does offer some nice accessories.
p.s. the late Julian Bream knew how to best dress for the occasion and Vladimir Horowitz was THE bow tie ambassador.
I certainly hope that this youtube channel and others like it revive interest in proper gentlemanly attire, 🕴⌚️🎩 because we are seeing far too many adult men in hoodies nowadays.😒
99.9% of the time, I am perfectly fine wearing jeans and an untucked shirt, the only way I know to wear a shirt. This must be sacrilege to you. I enjoy the channel because of how different it is from the way I think about clothing, but I do think it's all down to what makes us ourselves.