@@connornguyen7803 That was my immediate take and if his audience saw it the same way it may have made them uncomfortable with what appears to be a rather self-congratulatory remark. I got the impression it was, at least slightly tongue-in-cheek.
You're right. His comments are about the relationship between *openness* and music. But he also said intelligence and openness are commonly linked. So... 85% click bait? :)
@@virus2003 eh, well honestly the man is pretty precise in his speech. So if he would've mentioned that specific relationship, he'd have done it much more directly, at least as far as I know him. The other thing's that, from the video, openness is more of an unrestricted broadness of the scope of any given idea (that tends to change probably according to the individuals ability to form associations on the spot, and or any other associations that are premade and are merely retrieved. But that's not a part of the video, just something I thought of that might interest you or anyone else reading. Maybe that's the link, I wouldn't know). Even though music can invoke an awe, that is, interest it could also be the case that it isn't from the music per se, it's from an idea associated to it. I mean who's to say which is which, maybe even both. This was rather pleasant. Thanks for the comment; it made me think more deeply and consider watching the entire lecture.
@@BadMannerKorea I wonder why I made that assumtion..2 months later about the uploader only because I dont like "hardrockers" -I had a playlist before" why i dont lke hardrock " and there were a video -> with Butthole surfers ... I guess i cant stop not loving not to love hardrockers even now
@@OsvaldoBayerista There is also the issue that Jordan Peterson is a very agreeable person, and agreeable people usually dislike conflicts and feel uncomfortable when they get into arguments with other people - and Jordan Peterson has had a lot of arguments with overreacting radical leftists over the years who have accused him of being a transphobe and a nazi and all kinds of far-right crap just because he hasn't fully agreed with them about absolutely everything - so that has put him under a lot of stress as well.
We can only hope that he recovers and disappears, a UN-pimping pseudointellectual polylogist elitist Ashkenazi targeted gatekeeper/social engineer/CSIS op. Shame about the wife though, nobody deserves that.
@@mohannadali9662 That's a fair point. On the flip side though, rare people should have bigger platforms, don't you think? I say this because I think I'm the same way. I've figured out things Peterson hasn't, or at least have some theories. I think it's a shame when rare people go to waste, or when people who would benefit from rare people can't because of X, Y, Z. It might be life, but we're free to change whatever we want, but only if we actually want to.
Music can also activate intelligence. Neuroscience has shown that especially Bach's music, unlike contemporary music, reacts with all areas of the brain. Due to it's complex counterpoint and fugal structures it basically works like multitasking muscle training because the brain has to identify several independent voices simultaneously instead of just one, simple, repetetive, accompanied melody.
I was homeschooled by a tutor and she asked which of the vinyl records I preferred listening to for my assignment of listening to classical music and I said Bach but I didn’t have the words to explain back then at the age of 14
You're saying this as if contemporary accompagnaniment was just based on homophony. Bass lines, keys, backing vocals/vocal harmonies, they're all melodies. You'll never find a modern pop song that plays a single melody over only sustained chords.
@@antoniofarina716 Contemporary music is often quite timbrally complex, even if the structural elements look simple on paper. Even something as mundane (nowadays) as distorted electric guitar is more complex than most acoustic instruments. And certainly, a lot of contemporary music (not necessarily pop music, but there are exceptions) is WAY more rhythmically complex than anything in Bach's day.
Always fascinating to hear Mr Peterson speaking. But as a musician, I was looking forward to hearing what his take is on the effect that music has on the brain and its development, be it learning to play or simply appreciating good music (entirely subjective). I don't feel like I've lost four minutes and forty two seconds of what's left of my life but I have to wonder about who it is that decides how videos here are titled.
Entirely subjective, listening to L Zeppelin " Stairway to Heaven" or Hans Zimmer musical score to the song " Danny Boy" to Clapton's " Can't find my way home, or Badge", it's chills, awe, nostalgia with all the bells and whistles. Knowing that the musicians behind it might prefer thier personal favorite a song I thought Ok. It's totally subjective. I know my dog loves my music, she likes anything. There is a few small studies on effects of music on animals. MRIs see some effect, nothing solid at all, but when a dog sees it's master, the MRI lights always light up. Music to thier ears? Just saying...
I'm more interested in his takes on different musical genres. Like sure I can appreciate Led Zep but recently I'm more struck by black metal music and how music can evoke sorrow and depression, not just happy and uplifting feelings. I wonder if it's the same type of psychological explanation or maybe metal fans are more prone to depression than non-metal fans, idk.
I usually feel this piloerection whenever I listen to particularily good music. Something about it is just as massive dopamine release for me and I feel tingly everywhere
For me it’s any music that involves group singing, oddly enough. Now that I think about it maybe that’s an indicator of some sort of social anxiety, to get a fear reaction when you hear the group enter.
Mr Shikadance Nope. He wants to drill into the listeners head that Jordan Peterson = intelligence, and if you disagree with him, you’re disagreeing with intelligence. He’s not genuine at all.
@@marrimaroada8111 Yes, but with a sense of humour - self-deprecating humour at that. I'm not a fan of Peterson, who usually seems very tense, but I enjoyed his little dig at himself.
My cat get's philoerections from ASMR while purring with the right physical rhythmic petting. He also get's excited listening to music sometimes scratching the carpet and running playfully with a puffed up tail. He's very vocal, expressive, intimate, and intelligent.
I remember being in high school when I got Björk's live box compilation. I listened to it on head phones and it brought me to tears without any sadness. I remember being so perplexed at the time
what i find most interesting about intelligence related to music is the knowledge factor itself. So you may be intelligent but never learned to play anything due to a variety of reasons. When or if you learn to play later it is usually through someone teaching you. But what they teach you and how they teach you directly influences your ears and brain later. So music you used to like a lot may sound not as good to you later after some time spent learning to play due to this. This amazes me and to the point that I have gone out of my way to learn to play without anyone teaching me at young age of 47 just to kind of prove this to myself. Now I have picked up some knowledge along the way that I wanted to tighten up some of my own music making attempts so nothing wrong with that for each individual. But I don't think people realize this. I attempted to learn to play in the later 90's and didn't get very far with it at all but I did notice then that I was already not liking some of the music that I had otherwise loved before that point. I didn't like this as that music meant more to me than that and it caught me off guard a little. So when i moved on with my career as a technician i put the guitar down and gave up on it at that time as I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere with it anyway. Within a very short period of time that feeling about some of my favorite music not being as good as I thought went away and I found myself enjoying it again. This blows me away still that I would change my opinion on music by trying to learn to play it lol. But it's true. So I went a totally different route this time and when I picked the guitar back up a couple years ago I immediately just starting writing my own music and trying to put together some songs (have recorded about 35 of em since). I have had no instruction from anyone other than a couple tidbits from people i picked their brain on here and there. This time I find I still love all the same music that I used to without change. Now I don't know if I am very intelligent or average or below average / i repaired motorcycles for 23 years that most people didn't know how to and that's why they brought em to me but every one of em was its own process of troubleshooting and figuring it out so maybe I am at least average there. Point being though and this is why I thought I would mention this / I am not sure if there is not a difference in intelligence and knowledge at a high level. I have jokingly stated that I don't want to learn anymore about the technicalities of music or theory because I want to keep being able to write / try that one on and see it makes sense to ya / lol / it may not but I found this very intriguing and am still kind of in awe of it myself. Not saying everything I have written or composed since is great but there was so much freedom to not knowing theory and writing that way that it felt like I managed to write a lot easier. Now I have picked up more knowledge since by default as I have done this every day pretty much for almost 2 years now and suddenly my song writing has slowed down and can at times be a little more stressful due to that as I am getting pickier than before / keep in mind I still like all the songs I wrote before this just as much / WOW is all I can say the more I think about that. It tells me our ears train the brain which turns around and influences our taste in things a lot more than I ever realized before.
I would love to discuss this with someone who has studied the brain and could analyze the information I am giving them here to things they know about the brain. I know I get a lot better reactions out of some of the music I have put out there from people who don't play music than the one's that do / especially the one's who have done it their whole lives so to speak. And I am my own worst critic like a lot of people so I don't think I am just a homer to my own music / i think there really is something to this because I still got ears and I hear what's on the radio and youtube and whatnot / some i like some i don't same as always has been so my ears work ok and a lot of the bands and musicians I like otherwise are the same as other people like too / or at least enough people liked em' they made careers out of it so I am very interested in why / most other things in life like sports for example, I found I liked em' more the more I learned about em' but not music for some reason. And I wonder what is different about it that makes that different for me individually.
Huh. So I guess the one main thing I've learnt from this (that stuck out to me anyway) is the fact that this piloerection phenomenon isn't universal. Never would've guessed; I never thought such an experience was dependent on anything, other than being human.
I always thought it would be happening in different situations(a person that is well-educated in Music will get off (u know cuz of erection haha) to a nice moment In music while a artist might get off to a painting or sth. But I always was sure everyone experienced it on a regular basis. I have a few Titles that always get my hair standing, and make me motivated when I am in a bad Place. Jesus i want everyone to experience that feeling, it's awesome!
Its just about what the individual does with the information travelling to the brain via: touch, sight, hearing, smell or taste to help understand and perceive the world around him. Everybody has at least one good traight
@@alex-jf4di People who are highly industrious and low in openness are the kinds of people who think art is a waste of time as it serves no real practical purpose. They can't key into aesthetics, or ideas the way a creative person would, so they probably rarely ever feel anything that powerful towards a piece of art. Especially when you get into anything abstract or non-representational.
He says that getting goose bumps from art is a sign of intelligence, then asks how many of his pupils have experienced goose bumps whilst experiencing art, what does he think the response is going to be ?
He says that goose bumps are a sign of openness, wich he explained some minutes ago is not connected to intelligence, but they often go hand in hand. Meaning you can feel nothing from watching art and still have an extraordinary IQ...
A lot of people are not understanding what he's trying to say because they wish that what he says speaks more so about themselves rather than others. We all wish to be special, unique and anything that sets us apart from others we lap up. I believe what he's trying to say that experiencing a form of art can potentially instil and transcend someone into another domain of creativity. This differs on the person and how inspired they are and what they're trying to achieve. The openness is linked with how restrained the walls are around your brain, if you automatically reject ideas from source A or source B because it's preconditioned (for example if you follow a certain religion and only draw your creativity from that religion and reject anything that's not associated with it, this would be telling of your openness). Of course you also need to be able to comprehend the higher creativity echelons to contribute to it. To sum up, if I'm inspired by one story and comprehend it well because I'm intelligent enough to do so and push it further than it's original form; This is worse than being inspired by multiple stories and being intelligent enough to comprehend them, It's better to be inspired by the many and not the one. For how complex is the human and how intelligent must a person be to summarise it simply.
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 What are you talking about? I'm referring to what's being said in the video, when did I ever mention anything about the title?
So this is going to be fun. I hope Jordan reads this one day.... I started to read Jung and we're basically the same person. But reckon this instead with music You begin to inhabit the music and learn how to let it transition through you. You can enter into music and prayer and it becomes you. The world around you changes and you see a kind of shine. Your mind pieces together various artwork in real life and creates scenes in the real world quite like paintings. You have reached the next level. You are empathic and can look into people. Now you can trigger archetypes with music and narratives and an aesthetically tangible state where you can feel a flow state and almost feel the music pass through you. Almost like a congruency with the world around you and the narrative. Even the universe you can choose to be in union with and it can make you function consciously and collectively. You can harness the power of the collective unconscious and embody public opinion. You can sing in ways that most people simply can't, almost like superhuman and with super human speed. You can enter into transcendent states of mind and you can imagine things deeply where you almost leave your surrounding world with your mind. Almost like walking into a dream. Hey yo, Jordan. wanna help a brother out?
he doesn't. the individual that posted this is projecting. interesting lecture. id say the person wishes they were a better musician and also that they were more intelligent. typically these type of people don't project like this so he's an odd one probably low iq and not a musician.
I totaly get that about the loosely connected ascociations. People struggle to keep up with my trains of thought sometimes because I seem to jump from one thing to another when I'm running through an idea. How to Apply the principles of or sourcing materials and in describing for clarification purposes the connections between my thoughts. When or if I get into it people often just look at me as if I'm weird. But I persist when I see a way to do. It troubles me that so many just stumble around faking confidence and then placing ther trust in that bubble, the lie that they've fed and nurtured for themselves. Only trust based in that which is true, confirms itself which then can be manifest as righteous confidence. All other bubbles are burst causing their inhabitants to tumble back to the beginning to start again where they are again enabled to acknowledge the truths that they ignored or overlooked. Comfort and traditions do blind and bind up a person though.
If Jordan Peterson was my life coach, maybe I could channel the high IQ I've been blessed with into a more meaningful contribution to society. He's so intelligent and inspirational, makes one think that anything is possible.
I actually gave a 'mini lecture' if you will about these 'piloerections' in my psychology class, here we call it 'Frison'. At the end I played one of my favorite piano pieces (un sospiro by Frans Liszt) which always gave me a physical arousal while listening. I was surprised by the fact that not a single student felt the same arousal that I did, not even in a slighter degree.
1) maybe because you played like shit, amateur renditions (and even professional pianists with wack interpretations) should just be played privately and not to the public 2) I love classical music and have played piano for 17 years (could have easily majored in it at a conservatory), and some pieces do nothing for me
In The Horse Whisperer movie, (Robert Redford, Scarlett Johansen), the aerial view of farmland accompanied by the sound of channel surfing an old AM frequency radio gives way to the indescribable view of the mountainous Wyoming/Montana expanse & is accompanied by a soundtrack that merges with the view. (Thank you, composer Mark Isham). Sometimes, the eye & ear candy merge is so strong you weep. I'm an introvert, but I've experienced multiple piloerections when the eyes, ears, & soul converge. Thank you, JP!
I'm normally introverted but I think that's just due to my life from then to now. I'm in the rebuilding phase and I'm extremely desirable when it comes to things that would be extroverted.
Introverted just means your social energy drains when you're around people and extroverted just means you GAIN energy from being around people. Many introverts are social and extroverts aren't necessarily ALWAYS surrounded by people. Also, you are either introverted or extroverted, you can't change that but again, neither means that you are or aren't social.
@@dreamdiction Probably any well developed music. For example you can take 2020 dance pop music and in general it will not require much intelligence to get it. But take some traditional african or afro-brazilian polyrithmic dance music and its complexity is on another level. It probably does require high intelligence, both for the dancer and also the musicians. Also on music from traditional india you have very complex dance music. Any bodily expression has both physical and cerebral aspects, and music is also a bodily expression in a way, i guess it depends on the depth of it. Anyway, this is my oponion.
@@dreamdiction any music is physically rythmic. Some less than other though. If not there couldnt be a director waving its baton to lead. You can attempt to dance any piece of music. And people have done it. There are dances of classical pieces. Any musical piece when expessed becomes physical and can be interpreted with the body. A very cerebral piece can be danced to. There are some very "cerebral" ballet pieces that are fully expressed in dance.
(Creativity: openness/ability to project/ability to internally simulate) X (wisdom:ability to moderate/draw on experience/disprove your naivity) = "Intelligence"
“Open people” are also fucked when it comes to taking in the state of the world. There are plenty of pros, but he could go on just as long about the cons....
@@laaaliiiluuu Being bothered by close-minded people somewhat disqualifies you from being open-minded yourself. Theres nothing easier than surrounding yourself with other open-minded or introverted/extroverted people, because its extremely practical and therefor visible. Its not that easy with intelligence or neuroticism, they are far more sublte traits.
@@instinct94 Not exactly. There are many other things that can affect a person high in trait openness and higher than average intelligence’s success. A horrifically abusive childhood that leaves them depressed-often severely-for 15 years and counting, for example. “Well that’s oddly specific” you might be thinking to yourself right about now. That’s because it’s a personal anecdote. So no, it’s not as simple as you think, bucko. Clean your room, yes absolutely, but what about when you have a broken broom, no hand towels or cleaning detergents, and you’re too depressed to get out of bed and too weak to do anything because you have little to no appetite and most of the time the only food you eat is because you muster the strength to force yourself to chew and swallow something because if you don’t you know you’ll die but you want to die anyway and it’s practically basic instinct that’s keeping yourself from withering away into nothing, hmm? No excuses? I think the fuck not.
Nothing wrong with music. In fact, some fanatic people always have wrong perception about music and they easily judge people with their wrong perception.
@@nonebelievingbeliever3753 I personally wouldn’t put my self into the ranks of the “intellectual.” Just an average man. But I do have very good creative abilities when it comes to music. To be honest I’m not sure how you would define an intellect. To me it seems a little subjective.
Im someone with several partial degrees in biological and molecular biosciences in Australia, and am also from a specialised high school for performing artists- I was a ballet dancer, paint/draw, and I compose music for film and edit film. Im also extremely aesthetically sensitive, which means that I notice details about the environment that others dont, and am fussy about all aspects of design, of basically everything (this is not a pleasant way to be). If I dont like the curtains in my house, this is going to seriously bother me! I do have strong physical response to music; and, curiously... I am also afraid of heights... I have a neurological response that I feel in my feet and lower legs from nerve pathways, that is only triggered by heights. The sensation travels from my feet up towards my knees through the back of my lower legs, and only in that one direction. The heights can be in photos or in person, or from memory recall. Its not triggered by plane flight. It is uncomfortable and literally brings to me to my knees- my instinct is to get very low to the floor and crawl away from the ledge or balcony- even to roll horizontally like a sushi roll. Ive been curious whether other people also experience this!? It does feel like the musical response and my response to heights are from the same type of bodily systems. I also have a friend who is a musical composer in the UAE- I think he's extremely talented musically, and the physical responses he describes from music are over and above the piloerection reflex.
Jordan talks a lot about IQ tests. It would be interesting to know what percentage of those with extremely high IQs (say, at least 180) have actually made mind-blowing innovations or produced artistic masterpieces. (In the case of many historic figures, I gather that their "high IQs" is speculative, or remains a reasonable guess, based on their achievements.) Has the person with the highest recorded IQ done any of the above? I have no doubt that such tests measure a certain layer of intelligence, maybe functional intelligence, but they don't measure the visionary level, which a true genius accesses. In my view, a genius is, essentially, an extremely creative person (no, not merely extremely intelligent), and what he/she creates or makes has not been done before. Or the creator (as seer) sees what hasn't been seen before. In the highest instances, the genius' contribution winds up elevating our collective consciousness. Extremely intelligent people don't necessarily fall in this category, because what they do, while interesting, even fascinating, is still not all that original or innovative. That's why even the majority of great intellectuals are not geniuses. So to reiterate my question: what percentage of those with extremely high IQs are innovative or great artists?
Fascinating comment. Using Hawkins' calibration technique, the answer seems to be 13%. Meaning, 13% of people above 180 IQ are geniuses according to this definition. Genius, again, according to the above definition, seems to be a function of level of consciousness, which we could also call "psycho-emotional development" of sorts.
Sometimes the expression "creative genious" is used, which in itself suggest that you can score very high on an IQ test without being very creative and vice versa. But a systematic review I read suggested that among the very creative, twice as many, compared to the general population, have an IQ above 120.
There was a study in a book called outliers which tracked children with the highest IQ scores in america and found that most if them turned out to just be average people
I agree with you, I don't think you need a hight iq to create something great. Creativity and the process has nothing to do with neurology imo, ur brain is inclined for it because of neurotransmitters that work uniquely not functionally. High IQ ppl seem to have every aspect of their brain working extremely well with no defects...leaves no room for abstract thought processes. Also iq tests logic and reasoning not abstract thinking or how well you can emote and drag from the subconscious.
He’s not saying that all people with a high IQ are creative, and the higher the IQ the more groundbreaking the creative output. He’s saying there’s a strong correlation between openness/creativity and high IQ. Kinda like if all Brazilian people have black hair, that doesn’t mean all people with black hair are Brazilian.
I can listen to a lot of melodic "dance" music and I'll get goosebumps all over especially if it's a song I'm familiar with and enjoy. Don't have that feeling with most pop music regardless of genre.
@@gregtheflyingwhale He said it’s very rare for people to make a major contribution to a creative sphere without an IQ over 120. Goosebumps were only mentioned as being more likely with higher openness. You’re extrapolating too much from what he actually said.
There With Me by Travis of Bickley For three quarters of a century I have been alone. My father and mother, my sisters and brothers, all around and loving me, but with that love, I was alone. I have had friends by my side, all around and loving me, yet still, I was alone. Fellow students and I did schoolwork as one, but in the end, I was one who continued... to be alone. I worked when told what to do, and when I was the leader, they worked with me, so harmoniously, even though I remained alone. My wife and child loved me as I loved them. So tell me, why was I still alone? My grandchild came and listened, sometimes, and I saw his love overwhelm me, but in his presence, I stayed alone. They have all been THERE WITH ME. All my life, they have been THERE WITH ME and loved me. And I, in turn, have loved them as wholly and holy as I can. We talk, converse, listen, play, work, witness our mutual moments and parallel lives. And I, in a room with all of them or just with only one, and the feeling to the depths of my soul are constantly the same... In this world of theirs and mine, as they are always THERE WITH ME...I am alone. And... I don't know why. I wander about the beauty and glory of all life and being. I want to share this wander of such magnificence, but like a preacher without the choir. or the teacher without the fire, who is there to warm themselves from my flame, or me with their yearnings and burnings. And I think, every one...EVERY ONE! is just as alone on this earth of billions as am I.
I used to play a radio right by the basement window when I was working down there and can tell you that robins and blue jays like rock and roll. Are they smart or stupid?
There is a mathematical relation between each of the notes of the major scale making music auditory math. This also means that the major scale is the same throughout the universe just as the Pythagorean principle is true throughout the universe.
There is a contradiction here: people interested in music, dance or philosophy... most of them are shy, not extrovert, but yea they are opened to ideas and new concepts
I have s diagnosis of which at I completely scoff. Believe me I had good 17 years before onset. Wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. Its like having a stroke. Not plesant believe me. I suffered alone 2 years before i found the right words to ask for psychiatric help. I think it should be taught, at home or at school who to talk to if onset comes about. Its was very difficult at first. Im almost 40. So I cope just fine. Im doing great in fact. But be kind and believe me i command respect. Some of my diagnosed friends i literally put my neck out there for them. So please be sensitive, friendly and kind to the psychiatric community. Dueces.
Glad to learn that I'm not an idiot for loving sounds and all kinds of quality music! ✌ p.s. I suspect that the good heart of Mr. Peterson has recently learned to be wary of low IQ individuals... 😉
Same, as a black guy who picked up the guitar after being into alternative/rock whilst also being into Rap, Hip-Hop, Reggae, Electronic music, and is now into Math Rock, Progressive Metal/Djent, and is fond of music in general I can relate.
Title is misleading, he is talking about convergent and divergent reasoning, and how creative people tend to set lose divergent reasoning, constantly falling into circumstantial reasoning or worse, tangential reasoning. I've learned that metaphysics is very important to create such constraint and that's why gifted individuals crave for metaphysics insight.
@@dissarray6906 The problem is people, lots of people are not suited for it and teaching by the curricula would be very difficult if not, impossible, an utter nightmare.
Classical music does that to me. Opera. (I don't know how anyone can't be effected by Mozart's Don Giovanni or the march music in Aida. My God, how do musicians do that? Sublime. ) .. moments in nature... wonderful words on the page, my cats when they just exhibit perfect cat-ness. Spiritual awareness... that moment when I sense the reality behind physical reality. The Stars do that to me. The beauty of it all, points to God, to the Divinity of the All and the ONE. There is a moment, though it is rare, when words fail. It is like looking on the face of God. You don't speak. Words fail.
Not in this instance, he's referring to the aspect of intellect of the trait openness to experience interms of his and Collin De Youngs description that they've adapted from the revised NEO Big Five Personality Inventory.
@@hamiltonmays4256 It will if you're aware of the relationship between Intellect and Verbal intelligence. Instead, intellect is a component of verbal Intelligence rather than being something different having it's own "logic".
I find that I sometimes ramble and jump from idea to idea because they're related in my mind but sometimes fail to realize I've made jumps without vocalizing it in conversation and I lose people. Guess there's an explanation for it
I think this is why people call me a narcissist, They say things to me and they can’t understand that I have an entire book in my head for each and every thing that you can possibly say to me
Key takeaway: Jordan Peterson: “My stepson, just get a 120 IQ.” Me: “Aight, say less. 😓” If Jordan Peterson was in Hip Hop, he would be a Grandmaster having the propensity for all forms encompassed. He is a MC for the young men without fathers and the daughters with no guiding force.
I don't know about this, because I have met some very creative musicians who are dumber than a box of rocks and have zero common sense. Sorry, but it is true. In fact, musicians are some of the most non-open, closed minded people I've ever worked with.
There was an SNL Taxi Driving recurring part called Old Two Eyes. The Guy would talk about Music and it's purported that he came up with the entire Idea to get gainfully employed, so I gave to now admit that he's real Smart
@@nephastgweiz1022 it's as said, he's making publicity as to IQ is the best...IQ is whatever ... all what he does is further marketing that absurd construct that is manipulating generations of humains ...
@@nephastgweiz1022 of course not, I'm a morrocan XD there is no IQ tests performed in here !!! you see there is no way for me to be salty about something like that
and it is a sort of industry, psychologist are making a lot of money through that ridiculous shit! complexifying the intelligence talk and making that multiple intelligences just to please everybody and make the IQ a more established concept
jp: so being open is correlated to being intelligent and has goosebumps doing these things jp: so who here has goosebumps doing these things? i bet those who said yes were 100% honest
@Yes if everyone feels them, whats the point of asking that? and if everyone dont feel them, ofc someone will say they feel them cause its correlated to being "smart"
normal people : oh look goosebumps
jordan peterson : oh look piloerrection
ME: oh look, 2 r's in erection!
Oh look a Kolonapin
That's what I get when I snuggle up to my Waifu pillow
@LA Muse But not ducks. Ducks are knee deep in this shit.
@LA Muse But not ducks. Ducks are knee deep in this shit.
He tried to crack a joke about his lectures being a collection of loosely connected ideas and no one seemed to have laughed lol
Though I think it was more about making the point that he is being open-minded.
@@connornguyen7803 That was my immediate take and if his audience saw it the same way it may have made them uncomfortable with what appears to be a rather self-congratulatory remark. I got the impression it was, at least slightly tongue-in-cheek.
They failed to make the connection
@@connornguyen7803 agreed ,not being chained to a certain set of ideas
I did haha
I can listen to this man all day
I am listening to this man all day.
Ye thats what im doing
U poor thing
Go clean your room
I do.
The title is misleading
You're right. His comments are about the relationship between *openness* and music. But he also said intelligence and openness are commonly linked. So... 85% click bait? :)
@@virus2003 eh, well honestly the man is pretty precise in his speech. So if he would've mentioned that specific relationship, he'd have done it much more directly, at least as far as I know him. The other thing's that, from the video, openness is more of an unrestricted broadness of the scope of any given idea (that tends to change probably according to the individuals ability to form associations on the spot, and or any other associations that are premade and are merely retrieved. But that's not a part of the video, just something I thought of that might interest you or anyone else reading. Maybe that's the link, I wouldn't know). Even though music can invoke an awe, that is, interest it could also be the case that it isn't from the music per se, it's from an idea associated to it. I mean who's to say which is which, maybe even both. This was rather pleasant. Thanks for the comment; it made me think more deeply and consider watching the entire lecture.
Wow the person didn't even link the lecture
@@mohannadali9662 Here is a link to the full lecture. (This clip is from around min 43) th-cam.com/video/Om0YPe8c66Y/w-d-xo.html Enjoy!
@@virus2003 oh thanks a bunch!!
This video has less to do with music and intelligence and has more to do with the association between openness and IQ.
That’s because whoever uploaded and titled the video has low IQ.
@@BadMannerKorea they also must be deaf 50 years olds and listened to the dumbest hardrock and find thier lyrics awsum
True
@@BadMannerKorea I wonder why I made that assumtion..2 months later about the uploader only because I dont like "hardrockers" -I had a playlist before" why i dont lke hardrock " and there were a video -> with Butthole surfers ... I guess i cant stop not loving not to love hardrockers even now
@@jari2018 So..... you like hardrockers then?? You said you can not stop with not loving not to love hardrockers... :P
How do I keep getting clickbaited by JP shorts where he mentions the title words for 4 seconds
Don't watch shorts man, it's a waste of time.
Jajajaja, same here .
Same
same lol
Every time
I hope Jordan gets well and begins giving talks and interviews again. We need him.
@Nur His wife is really sick, cancer if i remember well, so he take pills for anxiety and then he put himself in rehab, i think he's gonna be ok.
@@OsvaldoBayerista
There is also the issue that Jordan Peterson is a very agreeable person, and agreeable people usually dislike conflicts and feel uncomfortable when they get into arguments with other people - and Jordan Peterson has had a lot of arguments with overreacting radical leftists over the years who have accused him of being a transphobe and a nazi and all kinds of far-right crap just because he hasn't fully agreed with them about absolutely everything - so that has put him under a lot of stress as well.
We can only hope that he recovers and disappears, a UN-pimping pseudointellectual polylogist elitist Ashkenazi targeted gatekeeper/social engineer/CSIS op.
Shame about the wife though, nobody deserves that.
@@alsacrime4806 Hey, look here, one of the overreacting accusers.
Yes
I feel totally ripped off by ALL of my college psychology professors!
McCall G. It’s honestly ridiculous how we have free access to these graduate level lectures
Don't. People like him are very, very rare. That's life in a nutshell. Be grateful that you get to watch him, that's a good silver lining.
@@mohannadali9662 That's a fair point. On the flip side though, rare people should have bigger platforms, don't you think? I say this because I think I'm the same way. I've figured out things Peterson hasn't, or at least have some theories. I think it's a shame when rare people go to waste, or when people who would benefit from rare people can't because of X, Y, Z. It might be life, but we're free to change whatever we want, but only if we actually want to.
@@cbalan777 do you think you're rare?
C. B. Alan earn your platform. Peterson did it by posting his lectures online.
Listening to Jordan Peterson gives me piloerections
stay focused on the video
on what hes saying
I have difficulty getting piloerrections
@@Gynecologist try piloviagra, it works wonder for me. now while i listen to mahler i look like a hairbrush.
How many subbed to spite your username lol
I've got to admit, that I've seen some art that has erected a response.
hentai?
@@davidjohn6724 lmao
Fckn gold man 🤣😂
Take my like and leave
Loool
Wrong use of comma
Music can also activate intelligence. Neuroscience has shown that especially Bach's music, unlike contemporary music, reacts with all areas of the brain. Due to it's complex counterpoint and fugal structures it basically works like multitasking muscle training because the brain has to identify several independent voices simultaneously instead of just one, simple, repetetive, accompanied melody.
I was homeschooled by a tutor and she asked which of the vinyl records I preferred listening to for my assignment of listening to classical music and I said Bach but I didn’t have the words to explain back then at the age of 14
You're saying this as if contemporary accompagnaniment was just based on homophony.
Bass lines, keys, backing vocals/vocal harmonies, they're all melodies. You'll never find a modern pop song that plays a single melody over only sustained chords.
@@antoniofarina716 Contemporary music is often quite timbrally complex, even if the structural elements look simple on paper. Even something as mundane (nowadays) as distorted electric guitar is more complex than most acoustic instruments. And certainly, a lot of contemporary music (not necessarily pop music, but there are exceptions) is WAY more rhythmically complex than anything in Bach's day.
@@elbschwartz I know: I wanted to leave those out in order to correct the OG commenter's statement regarding melodic complexity.
Brandenburg Concertos are my Favorite!!!
Always fascinating to hear Mr Peterson speaking. But as a musician, I was looking forward to hearing what his take is on the effect that music has on the brain and its development, be it learning to play or simply appreciating good music (entirely subjective). I don't feel like I've lost four minutes and forty two seconds of what's left of my life but I have to wonder about who it is that decides how videos here are titled.
Entirely subjective, listening to L Zeppelin " Stairway to Heaven" or Hans Zimmer musical score to the song " Danny Boy" to Clapton's " Can't find my way home, or Badge", it's chills, awe, nostalgia with all the bells and whistles. Knowing that the musicians behind it might prefer thier personal favorite a song I thought Ok. It's totally subjective.
I know my dog loves my music, she likes anything. There is a few small studies on effects of music on animals. MRIs see some effect, nothing solid at all, but when a dog sees it's master, the MRI lights always light up. Music to thier ears? Just saying...
@@terryblanchard5842 You haven't paid much attention to this subject if your only takeaway is "it's totally subjective"
I'm more interested in his takes on different musical genres. Like sure I can appreciate Led Zep but recently I'm more struck by black metal music and how music can evoke sorrow and depression, not just happy and uplifting feelings. I wonder if it's the same type of psychological explanation or maybe metal fans are more prone to depression than non-metal fans, idk.
@@hazardousjazzgasm129 It’s both objective and subjective like all art
@@Ace-dv5ce Go on
I usually feel this piloerection whenever I listen to particularily good music. Something about it is just as massive dopamine release for me and I feel tingly everywhere
For me it’s any music that involves group singing, oddly enough. Now that I think about it maybe that’s an indicator of some sort of social anxiety, to get a fear reaction when you hear the group enter.
@Johnny Boone It's a subjective experience. You can have goosebumps listening to a pop song just as much.
@Johnny Boone thanks!
Airbag : Radiohead
For me it's listening to "Live and Learn", which played during the final boss of Sonic Adventure 2.
"Like my lectures for example" I see what you did there
Lol!!
Mr Shikadance Nope. He wants to drill into the listeners head that Jordan Peterson = intelligence, and if you disagree with him, you’re disagreeing with intelligence. He’s not genuine at all.
@Mr Shikadance i think he identifies more as an intelligent
@@marrimaroada8111 Yes, but with a sense of humour - self-deprecating humour at that. I'm not a fan of Peterson, who usually seems very tense, but I enjoyed his little dig at himself.
@@twangbarfly Hardly a dig at himself. He was implying he himslef was intelligent.
Jordan Peterson’s favorite song is Rock Lobster
That's awesome
No it's darude - sandstorm
🗿🦞
“I was at the beach. Everyone had matching serotonin levels!” 🎵🎶
@@edwarddodge7937 I was just about to make a similar joke using the same lyric. Clearly we’re both cool 😜
"where did u get that idea?" literally.
thanks JP!
My cat get's philoerections from ASMR while purring with the right physical rhythmic petting. He also get's excited listening to music sometimes scratching the carpet and running playfully with a puffed up tail. He's very vocal, expressive, intimate, and intelligent.
Woahhh "Intimate"?????
@@BadmonRu yes 😏
@@BadmonRu 😳
@@BadmonRu in·ti·mate1
/ˈin(t)əmət/
adjective
1.
closely acquainted; familiar, close.
"intimate friends"
noun
a very close friend.
@@BadmonRu It is a sign of his intelligence and the reason he is my best friend.
Openness is easy , when the truth is being said to ears that are prepared to listen.
When someone gets down and dances their heart out to a good beat it makes me want to get up and dance too.
Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman energy
No kiddin
i need to stop playing videos and immediately scrolling to the comments
“•39 seconds ago” got me there
I remember being in high school when I got Björk's live box compilation. I listened to it on head phones and it brought me to tears without any sadness. I remember being so perplexed at the time
Genius.
I hate her often loud screams.
Bjork is a creative genius
@@oppothumbs1it’s not screams lol she has a very wide vocal range
Music often brings me to tears. 😅
He's a brilliant lecturer.
You are Too Brilliant and insightful. ALMOST FRIGHTENING....
There is actually a connection between the title and video..It’s just subtle.
But I'd have to write a whole paper to show the connection. Why can't the title be "JP talks about openness and IQ"
Sometimes less says more. Writing a whole paper to make a simple connection would be silly 😜
This dude is 1000% smarter than me I have no idea what those words mean!
Hey man link the original video. So we can see the whole thing.
Bumping this for visibility. I'm appalled when people don't link to source material.
what i find most interesting about intelligence related to music is the knowledge factor itself. So you may be intelligent but never learned to play anything due to a variety of reasons. When or if you learn to play later it is usually through someone teaching you. But what they teach you and how they teach you directly influences your ears and brain later. So music you used to like a lot may sound not as good to you later after some time spent learning to play due to this. This amazes me and to the point that I have gone out of my way to learn to play without anyone teaching me at young age of 47 just to kind of prove this to myself. Now I have picked up some knowledge along the way that I wanted to tighten up some of my own music making attempts so nothing wrong with that for each individual. But I don't think people realize this. I attempted to learn to play in the later 90's and didn't get very far with it at all but I did notice then that I was already not liking some of the music that I had otherwise loved before that point. I didn't like this as that music meant more to me than that and it caught me off guard a little. So when i moved on with my career as a technician i put the guitar down and gave up on it at that time as I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere with it anyway. Within a very short period of time that feeling about some of my favorite music not being as good as I thought went away and I found myself enjoying it again. This blows me away still that I would change my opinion on music by trying to learn to play it lol. But it's true. So I went a totally different route this time and when I picked the guitar back up a couple years ago I immediately just starting writing my own music and trying to put together some songs (have recorded about 35 of em since). I have had no instruction from anyone other than a couple tidbits from people i picked their brain on here and there. This time I find I still love all the same music that I used to without change. Now I don't know if I am very intelligent or average or below average / i repaired motorcycles for 23 years that most people didn't know how to and that's why they brought em to me but every one of em was its own process of troubleshooting and figuring it out so maybe I am at least average there. Point being though and this is why I thought I would mention this / I am not sure if there is not a difference in intelligence and knowledge at a high level. I have jokingly stated that I don't want to learn anymore about the technicalities of music or theory because I want to keep being able to write / try that one on and see it makes sense to ya / lol / it may not but I found this very intriguing and am still kind of in awe of it myself. Not saying everything I have written or composed since is great but there was so much freedom to not knowing theory and writing that way that it felt like I managed to write a lot easier. Now I have picked up more knowledge since by default as I have done this every day pretty much for almost 2 years now and suddenly my song writing has slowed down and can at times be a little more stressful due to that as I am getting pickier than before / keep in mind I still like all the songs I wrote before this just as much / WOW is all I can say the more I think about that. It tells me our ears train the brain which turns around and influences our taste in things a lot more than I ever realized before.
I would love to discuss this with someone who has studied the brain and could analyze the information I am giving them here to things they know about the brain. I know I get a lot better reactions out of some of the music I have put out there from people who don't play music than the one's that do / especially the one's who have done it their whole lives so to speak. And I am my own worst critic like a lot of people so I don't think I am just a homer to my own music / i think there really is something to this because I still got ears and I hear what's on the radio and youtube and whatnot / some i like some i don't same as always has been so my ears work ok and a lot of the bands and musicians I like otherwise are the same as other people like too / or at least enough people liked em' they made careers out of it so I am very interested in why / most other things in life like sports for example, I found I liked em' more the more I learned about em' but not music for some reason. And I wonder what is different about it that makes that different for me individually.
This intelligent lecture is music to my ears.
Thank you 🙏 Jordan Peterson
He just spent almost 5 minutes talking about Snarky Puppy - Lingus
I felt that too
thank you.
I was thinking iQ:
th-cam.com/play/PLhuvEQzJRGB5wfJ2Jdy9c2RHR21ns6RVi.html
Snarky Puppy's cool too. 👍
I was not expecting to see this here at all. Thanks bro, gonna watch it again. And every other Snarky Puppy video...
Lmao trueee! Omg I adore that song
He is so brilliant, so many ideas in a lecture
Huh. So I guess the one main thing I've learnt from this (that stuck out to me anyway) is the fact that this piloerection phenomenon isn't universal. Never would've guessed; I never thought such an experience was dependent on anything, other than being human.
I always thought it would be happening in different situations(a person that is well-educated in Music will get off (u know cuz of erection haha) to a nice moment In music while a artist might get off to a painting or sth. But I always was sure everyone experienced it on a regular basis. I have a few Titles that always get my hair standing, and make me motivated when I am in a bad Place. Jesus i want everyone to experience that feeling, it's awesome!
Its just about what the individual does with the information travelling to the brain via: touch, sight, hearing, smell or taste to help understand and perceive the world around him. Everybody has at least one good traight
@@nicholasgoldsworthy4719 Debatable.
@@alex-jf4di People who are highly industrious and low in openness are the kinds of people who think art is a waste of time as it serves no real practical purpose. They can't key into aesthetics, or ideas the way a creative person would, so they probably rarely ever feel anything that powerful towards a piece of art. Especially when you get into anything abstract or non-representational.
Me too, I find it almost unbelievable, it happened so much times in my life I can't even count them
“My >120 IQ gives me goosebumps when I listen to Bruce Springsteen”
Whatever floats your boat
My >130 IQ finds Bruce Springsteen boring, soulless and formulaic.
John Randall Fuck if only If I put the son in Peterson I could have a 150IQ and transcend Beethoven
I want to puncture my ear drums when I hear Bruce Springsteen
Listen to The Jesus Lizard and see what happens
Five basic senses and four doors of the mind, which everyone moves through according to their need.
What are those four doors of the mind?
@@jabibgalt5551 it's a quote from "the name of the wind"
@@jabibgalt5551 you should read that book
The Doors were very good
@@SeanJL Thank you! If you know, what are those four doors that the author refers to?
This gave me tremendous amount of validation.
Thanks.
same
Same but I still feel stupid from time to time. Even as all these nails hit the right spot
I like to listen to him so I don't have to listen to myself all day
It's the wrong time to take the right things lightly. You are ahead Amen.🛡️👍
He says that getting goose bumps from art is a sign of intelligence, then asks how many of his pupils have experienced goose bumps whilst experiencing art, what does he think the response is going to be ?
Yep, when everyone starts raising their hands, yours soon to follow
He says that goose bumps are a sign of openness, wich he explained some minutes ago is not connected to intelligence, but they often go hand in hand. Meaning you can feel nothing from watching art and still have an extraordinary IQ...
He can't know? That's why he asked?
@@DundG i doubt it
@@iwantlee9510 that openness is not correlated to IQ?
I honestly believe that with some music and thoughts that cause those whole body goosebumps have meaning
A lot of people are not understanding what he's trying to say because they wish that what he says speaks more so about themselves rather than others.
We all wish to be special, unique and anything that sets us apart from others we lap up.
I believe what he's trying to say that experiencing a form of art can potentially instil and transcend someone into another domain of creativity. This differs on the person and how inspired they are and what they're trying to achieve.
The openness is linked with how restrained the walls are around your brain, if you automatically reject ideas from source A or source B because it's preconditioned (for example if you follow a certain religion and only draw your creativity from that religion and reject anything that's not associated with it, this would be telling of your openness).
Of course you also need to be able to comprehend the higher creativity echelons to contribute to it.
To sum up, if I'm inspired by one story and comprehend it well because I'm intelligent enough to do so and push it further than it's original form;
This is worse than being inspired by multiple stories and being intelligent enough to comprehend them, It's better to be inspired by the many and not the one.
For how complex is the human and how intelligent must a person be to summarise it simply.
'He' didn't make the title, 'You,' are an idiot.
@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 What are you talking about? I'm referring to what's being said in the video, when did I ever mention anything about the title?
I know what art sounds like and Jordan is most definitely an artist at his craft
So this is going to be fun. I hope Jordan reads this one day.... I started to read Jung and we're basically the same person. But reckon this instead with music
You begin to inhabit the music and learn how to let it transition through you. You can enter into music and prayer and it becomes you. The world around you changes and you see a kind of shine. Your mind pieces together various artwork in real life and creates scenes in the real world quite like paintings. You have reached the next level. You are empathic and can look into people. Now you can trigger archetypes with music and narratives and an aesthetically tangible state where you can feel a flow state and almost feel the music pass through you. Almost like a congruency with the world around you and the narrative. Even the universe you can choose to be in union with and it can make you function consciously and collectively. You can harness the power of the collective unconscious and embody public opinion. You can sing in ways that most people simply can't, almost like superhuman and with super human speed. You can enter into transcendent states of mind and you can imagine things deeply where you almost leave your surrounding world with your mind. Almost like walking into a dream.
Hey yo, Jordan. wanna help a brother out?
You're on the wrong comment section brother
This full lecture link plz 🙏
Where does he speak about intelligence and music in this clip plse? Apart from being moved by contemplating any form of art one might like?
he doesn't. the individual that posted this is projecting. interesting lecture. id say the person wishes they were a better musician and also that they were more intelligent. typically these type of people don't project like this so he's an odd one probably low iq and not a musician.
I guess 2:29 - 3:06 is the part he's referring to.
He really doesn’t, it’s a stretch
@@ChopChic1 i think "creatives" are capable of both.
The titles of Peterson clips very rarely have any connection with the actual content....
I totaly get that about the loosely connected ascociations. People struggle to keep up with my trains of thought sometimes because I seem to jump from one thing to another when I'm running through an idea. How to Apply the principles of or sourcing materials and in describing for clarification purposes the connections between my thoughts. When or if I get into it people often just look at me as if I'm weird. But I persist when I see a way to do. It troubles me that so many just stumble around faking confidence and then placing ther trust in that bubble, the lie that they've fed and nurtured for themselves. Only trust based in that which is true, confirms itself which then can be manifest as righteous confidence. All other bubbles are burst causing their inhabitants to tumble back to the beginning to start again where they are again enabled to acknowledge the truths that they ignored or overlooked. Comfort and traditions do blind and bind up a person though.
If Jordan Peterson was my life coach, maybe I could channel the high IQ I've been blessed with into a more meaningful contribution to society. He's so intelligent and inspirational, makes one think that anything is possible.
Why not try using that high IQ to life coach yourself using the public ideas of J.P as your basis?
“Tell me you watch Rick And Mortal without telling me you watch Rick And Morty”
What is your Iq bro?
I don't get goose bumps from listening to music, but I do listening to a BRM V16. Music sometimes sends me into a trance though.
I actually gave a 'mini lecture' if you will about these 'piloerections' in my psychology class, here we call it 'Frison'. At the end I played one of my favorite piano pieces (un sospiro by Frans Liszt) which always gave me a physical arousal while listening. I was surprised by the fact that not a single student felt the same arousal that I did, not even in a slighter degree.
Try Joe Parrish playing Stravinsky’s 1903 Rite of Spring on electric guitar. It is still on YT.
1) maybe because you played like shit, amateur renditions (and even professional pianists with wack interpretations) should just be played privately and not to the public
2) I love classical music and have played piano for 17 years (could have easily majored in it at a conservatory), and some pieces do nothing for me
In The Horse Whisperer movie, (Robert Redford, Scarlett Johansen), the aerial view of farmland accompanied by the sound of channel surfing an old AM frequency radio gives way to the indescribable view of the mountainous Wyoming/Montana expanse & is accompanied by a soundtrack that merges with the view. (Thank you, composer Mark Isham).
Sometimes, the eye & ear candy merge is so strong you weep.
I'm an introvert, but I've experienced multiple piloerections when the eyes, ears, & soul converge.
Thank you, JP!
This, Alice... is why a raven is like a writing desk!! Eureka!
Bro when I listen to a good piece of classical music, I sometimes feel my brain! It feels like the thing under my skull is extremely stimulated.
I'm normally introverted but I think that's just due to my life from then to now. I'm in the rebuilding phase and I'm extremely desirable when it comes to things that would be extroverted.
Me too, good luck for you!
Introverted just means your social energy drains when you're around people and extroverted just means you GAIN energy from being around people. Many introverts are social and extroverts aren't necessarily ALWAYS surrounded by people. Also, you are either introverted or extroverted, you can't change that but again, neither means that you are or aren't social.
Thank you 🙏 The Best
Jordan just explained the ASMR effect.
Actualy - title is misleading, but still that what the video presents is quite interesting and helped me learn something about myself
"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Music."
you mean "classical music" which is cerebral, as opposed to dance music which is physical.
@@dreamdiction Probably any well developed music. For example you can take 2020 dance pop music and in general it will not require much intelligence to get it. But take some traditional african or afro-brazilian polyrithmic dance music and its complexity is on another level. It probably does require high intelligence, both for the dancer and also the musicians. Also on music from traditional india you have very complex dance music.
Any bodily expression has both physical and cerebral aspects, and music is also a bodily expression in a way, i guess it depends on the depth of it. Anyway, this is my oponion.
@@diegoperezsommariva2509 All the music you mention is physically rhythmic, classical music is purely cerebral.
@@dreamdiction any music is physically rythmic. Some less than other though. If not there couldnt be a director waving its baton to lead. You can attempt to dance any piece of music. And people have done it. There are dances of classical pieces. Any musical piece when expessed becomes physical and can be interpreted with the body. A very cerebral piece can be danced to. There are some very "cerebral" ballet pieces that are fully expressed in dance.
@@dreamdiction nope.... It's kinda complicated..... It's not physical (grooves and the required tempo) works that magic
(Creativity: openness/ability to project/ability to internally simulate) X (wisdom:ability to moderate/draw on experience/disprove your naivity) = "Intelligence"
“Open people” are also fucked when it comes to taking in the state of the world. There are plenty of pros, but he could go on just as long about the cons....
Being high in openness in a world full of narrow-minded, closed-up people is definitely stressful ...
Well, toughen up then
Openness correlates with success. No excuses.
@@laaaliiiluuu Being bothered by close-minded people somewhat disqualifies you from being open-minded yourself. Theres nothing easier than surrounding yourself with other open-minded or introverted/extroverted people, because its extremely practical and therefor visible. Its not that easy with intelligence or neuroticism, they are far more sublte traits.
@@instinct94 Not exactly. There are many other things that can affect a person high in trait openness and higher than average intelligence’s success. A horrifically abusive childhood that leaves them depressed-often severely-for 15 years and counting, for example. “Well that’s oddly specific” you might be thinking to yourself right about now. That’s because it’s a personal anecdote. So no, it’s not as simple as you think, bucko.
Clean your room, yes absolutely, but what about when you have a broken broom, no hand towels or cleaning detergents, and you’re too depressed to get out of bed and too weak to do anything because you have little to no appetite and most of the time the only food you eat is because you muster the strength to force yourself to chew and swallow something because if you don’t you know you’ll die but you want to die anyway and it’s practically basic instinct that’s keeping yourself from withering away into nothing, hmm? No excuses? I think the fuck not.
which lecture is this from? i wanna watch the whole thing:)
How many musicians like me wanted to know Jordan's perspective on our intellect?
Me!
@@yinyangjpy6749 me too!
Me neither
Nothing wrong with music. In fact, some fanatic people always have wrong perception about music and they easily judge people with their wrong perception.
I’m one of the few creative musical people that breaks the trend of intellectuals :)
Ur not very smart?
@@nonebelievingbeliever3753 I personally wouldn’t put my self into the ranks of the “intellectual.” Just an average man. But I do have very good creative abilities when it comes to music. To be honest I’m not sure how you would define an intellect. To me it seems a little subjective.
I don't get 'piloerections' while listening to music. I get ecstasy and tears. Painting makes my heart go faster.
I listen this while cleaning my room
Watching Jordan Peterson videos often gives me a massive piloerection.
There, I said it.
Title Correction:
The relationship between intelligence and creativity. He didn't mention music ONCE.
youtuber was trying to be creative
He mentioned it once at 2:50
Im someone with several partial degrees in biological and molecular biosciences in Australia, and am also from a specialised high school for performing artists- I was a ballet dancer, paint/draw, and I compose music for film and edit film. Im also extremely aesthetically sensitive, which means that I notice details about the environment that others dont, and am fussy about all aspects of design, of basically everything (this is not a pleasant way to be). If I dont like the curtains in my house, this is going to seriously bother me! I do have strong physical response to music; and, curiously...
I am also afraid of heights... I have a neurological response that I feel in my feet and lower legs from nerve pathways, that is only triggered by heights. The sensation travels from my feet up towards my knees through the back of my lower legs, and only in that one direction. The heights can be in photos or in person, or from memory recall. Its not triggered by plane flight. It is uncomfortable and literally brings to me to my knees- my instinct is to get very low to the floor and crawl away from the ledge or balcony- even to roll horizontally like a sushi roll.
Ive been curious whether other people also experience this!? It does feel like the musical response and my response to heights are from the same type of bodily systems.
I also have a friend who is a musical composer in the UAE- I think he's extremely talented musically, and the physical responses he describes from music are over and above the piloerection reflex.
Jordan talks a lot about IQ tests. It would be interesting to know what percentage of those with extremely high IQs (say, at least 180) have actually made mind-blowing innovations or produced artistic masterpieces. (In the case of many historic figures, I gather that their "high IQs" is speculative, or remains a reasonable guess, based on their achievements.) Has the person with the highest recorded IQ done any of the above? I have no doubt that such tests measure a certain layer of intelligence, maybe functional intelligence, but they don't measure the visionary level, which a true genius accesses.
In my view, a genius is, essentially, an extremely creative person (no, not merely extremely intelligent), and what he/she creates or makes has not been done before. Or the creator (as seer) sees what hasn't been seen before. In the highest instances, the genius' contribution winds up elevating our collective consciousness. Extremely intelligent people don't necessarily fall in this category, because what they do, while interesting, even fascinating, is still not all that original or innovative. That's why even the majority of great intellectuals are not geniuses. So to reiterate my question: what percentage of those with extremely high IQs are innovative or great artists?
Fascinating comment. Using Hawkins' calibration technique, the answer seems to be 13%. Meaning, 13% of people above 180 IQ are geniuses according to this definition.
Genius, again, according to the above definition, seems to be a function of level of consciousness, which we could also call "psycho-emotional development" of sorts.
Sometimes the expression "creative genious" is used, which in itself suggest that you can score very high on an IQ test without being very creative and vice versa. But a systematic review I read suggested that among the very creative, twice as many, compared to the general population, have an IQ above 120.
There was a study in a book called outliers which tracked children with the highest IQ scores in america and found that most if them turned out to just be average people
I agree with you, I don't think you need a hight iq to create something great. Creativity and the process has nothing to do with neurology imo, ur brain is inclined for it because of neurotransmitters that work uniquely not functionally. High IQ ppl seem to have every aspect of their brain working extremely well with no defects...leaves no room for abstract thought processes. Also iq tests logic and reasoning not abstract thinking or how well you can emote and drag from the subconscious.
He’s not saying that all people with a high IQ are creative, and the higher the IQ the more groundbreaking the creative output. He’s saying there’s a strong correlation between openness/creativity and high IQ.
Kinda like if all Brazilian people have black hair, that doesn’t mean all people with black hair are Brazilian.
I can listen to a lot of melodic "dance" music and I'll get goosebumps all over especially if it's a song I'm familiar with and enjoy.
Don't have that feeling with most pop music regardless of genre.
I am not saying this in inaccurate... but saying that everyone who gets goosebumps from music have an IQ of at least 120 is wrong
It is unfortunate to see someone hearing but not truly listening.
@@martinstrnad4517 i have add, tell me what i missed
@@gregtheflyingwhale He said it’s very rare for people to make a major contribution to a creative sphere without an IQ over 120. Goosebumps were only mentioned as being more likely with higher openness. You’re extrapolating too much from what he actually said.
Where can i find the full lecture??
When he jokes, you must watch the replay so that you can laugh the other day.
There With Me
by
Travis of Bickley
For three quarters of a century
I have been alone.
My father and mother, my
sisters and brothers, all around
and loving me, but with
that love, I was alone.
I have had friends by my side,
all around and loving me,
yet still, I was alone.
Fellow students and I did
schoolwork as one, but
in the end, I was one who
continued... to be alone.
I worked when told what to do,
and when I was the leader, they worked with me, so harmoniously,
even though I remained alone.
My wife and child loved me
as I loved them. So tell me,
why was I still alone?
My grandchild came and
listened, sometimes, and I
saw his love overwhelm me, but
in his presence, I stayed alone.
They have all been THERE WITH
ME. All my life, they have been
THERE WITH ME and loved me.
And I, in turn, have loved them as
wholly and holy as I can.
We talk, converse, listen, play, work, witness our mutual moments and parallel lives.
And I, in a room with all of them
or just with only one,
and the feeling to the depths of my soul are constantly the same...
In this world of theirs and mine,
as they are always THERE WITH
ME...I am alone.
And...
I don't know why.
I wander about the beauty
and glory of all life and being.
I want to share this wander of
such magnificence, but like a preacher without the choir. or the
teacher without the fire, who is
there to warm themselves from my
flame, or me with their yearnings and burnings.
And I think, every one...EVERY ONE!
is just as alone on this earth of billions as am I.
PULL THIS VIDEO and RELABEL IT !!! Do EVERYONE a favor since the title is clearly an editorial slip-up and does not describe the content.
I used to play a radio right by the basement window when I was working down there and can tell you that robins and blue jays like rock and roll. Are they smart or stupid?
There is a mathematical relation between each of the notes of the major scale making music auditory math. This also means that the major scale is the same throughout the universe just as the Pythagorean principle is true throughout the universe.
What about the minor scale
So interesting pyloerrection wow music always makes my hair stand up and gives me chills
There is a contradiction here: people interested in music, dance or philosophy... most of them are shy, not extrovert, but yea they are opened to ideas and new concepts
People into philosophy probably, but not music lovers.
Especially those who do a music festival every weekend are extrovert.
I have s diagnosis of which at I completely scoff. Believe me I had good 17 years before onset. Wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy. Its like having a stroke. Not plesant believe me. I suffered alone 2 years before i found the right words to ask for psychiatric help. I think it should be taught, at home or at school who to talk to if onset comes about. Its was very difficult at first. Im almost 40. So I cope just fine. Im doing great in fact. But be kind and believe me i command respect. Some of my diagnosed friends i literally put my neck out there for them. So please be sensitive, friendly and kind to the psychiatric community. Dueces.
I’m very intelligent. I’m just not smart enough to know it.
Touché
Thank you
Glad to learn that I'm not an idiot for loving sounds and all kinds of quality music! ✌
p.s. I suspect that the good heart of Mr. Peterson has recently learned to be wary of low IQ individuals... 😉
Same, as a black guy who picked up the guitar after being into alternative/rock whilst also being into Rap, Hip-Hop, Reggae, Electronic music, and is now into Math Rock, Progressive Metal/Djent, and is fond of music in general I can relate.
On the other hand, i just learned that i might be partially braindead.
@@ksander1779
😂 Shush! I am, my post was just a façade...
@@mathrockmaniac7643 holy shit bro
Title is misleading, he is talking about convergent and divergent reasoning, and how creative people tend to set lose divergent reasoning, constantly falling into circumstantial reasoning or worse, tangential reasoning. I've learned that metaphysics is very important to create such constraint and that's why gifted individuals crave for metaphysics insight.
We need to reteach retroduction in schools
@@dissarray6906 The problem is people, lots of people are not suited for it and teaching by the curricula would be very difficult if not, impossible, an utter nightmare.
This guy always posts vids with misleading titles
Classical music does that to me. Opera. (I don't know how anyone can't be effected by Mozart's Don Giovanni or the march music in Aida. My God, how do musicians do that? Sublime. ) .. moments in nature... wonderful words on the page, my cats when they just exhibit perfect cat-ness. Spiritual awareness... that moment when I sense the reality behind physical reality. The Stars do that to me. The beauty of it all, points to God, to the Divinity of the All and the ONE.
There is a moment, though it is rare, when words fail. It is like looking on the face of God. You don't speak. Words fail.
❤❤❤yes. Exactly.
Intellect and intelligence are different things, Jordan refers to intelligence as logic
Not in this instance, he's referring to the aspect of intellect of the trait openness to experience interms of his and Collin De Youngs description that they've adapted from the revised NEO Big Five Personality Inventory.
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@@mpcc2022 Well, that changes everything. /s
@@hamiltonmays4256 It will if you're aware of the relationship between Intellect and Verbal intelligence. Instead, intellect is a component of verbal Intelligence rather than being something different having it's own "logic".
I find that I sometimes ramble and jump from idea to idea because they're related in my mind but sometimes fail to realize I've made jumps without vocalizing it in conversation and I lose people. Guess there's an explanation for it
I also do that if I'm not careful. It's important to explain those leaps to the folks that you're talking to.
I think this is why people call me a narcissist, They say things to me and they can’t understand that I have an entire book in my head for each and every thing that you can possibly say to me
No, people call you a narcissist because you probably share that story all the time. You can be smart and not narcissistic.
Remembering things is about the rhythm of sequence . Music helps. I hope I got this right.
Key takeaway:
Jordan Peterson: “My stepson, just get a 120 IQ.”
Me: “Aight, say less. 😓”
If Jordan Peterson was in Hip Hop, he would be a Grandmaster having the propensity for all forms encompassed. He is a MC for the young men without fathers and the daughters with no guiding force.
What the hell you just say?
@@willscarlett5859, A Grandmaster having the propensity for all forms encompassed. What are you blind?
Multiple times a day I get goosebumps from music or something else
I bet he listens to Autechre all day
Incunabula for the win!
2:09 He should have provided a source for that claim and what his definition of major contribution is.
I don't know about this, because I have met some very creative musicians who are dumber than a box of rocks and have zero common sense. Sorry, but it is true. In fact, musicians are some of the most non-open, closed minded people I've ever worked with.
so not worked much ?
@@barrycoad2080 Don't understand your comment.
Interesting
There was an SNL Taxi Driving recurring part called Old Two Eyes. The Guy would talk about Music and it's purported that he came up with the entire Idea to get gainfully employed, so I gave to now admit that he's real Smart
the IQ industry is sure winning thanks to the likes of him ...
IQ industry ? What industry ?
@@nephastgweiz1022 it's as said, he's making publicity as to IQ is the best...IQ is whatever ... all what he does is further marketing that absurd construct that is manipulating generations of humains ...
@@zorcnecro6910 So there is no industry. You sound like you took an IQ test, scored a low IQ and now you're salty.
@@nephastgweiz1022 of course not, I'm a morrocan XD there is no IQ tests performed in here !!! you see there is no way for me to be salty about something like that
and it is a sort of industry, psychologist are making a lot of money through that ridiculous shit! complexifying the intelligence talk and making that multiple intelligences just to please everybody and make the IQ a more established concept
I'm not defining how much respect a person deserves by how high their IQ is. We are all human
jp: so being open is correlated to being intelligent and has goosebumps doing these things
jp: so who here has goosebumps doing these things?
i bet those who said yes were 100% honest
@Yes if everyone feels them, whats the point of asking that? and if everyone dont feel them, ofc someone will say they feel them cause its correlated to being "smart"
Jordan Peterson before the internet brain worms. Now i remember why I liked the guy for about a month.