Did you take it back? I’ve heard the fuel version is better (it’s bigger though so I’m still going to keep this one for really tight spaces). I imagine the M17 versions are more powerful, but probably even bigger than the m12 fuel version. Let me know what you get instead.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I did return it. I bought it on a whim as it was on sale. But I already have a full sized sawzall and when you get down to I didn't need both.
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it. I ended up seeing a really good deal on the fuel version, so I should do a comparison video sometime. This one is definitely smaller, so it’s good for tight spaces.
This class of saw has its own place. Ppl expect this to compete with the full size tool which is not wat it's for. Ppl buy sledgehammers and small hammers for a reason. The reason this tool has difficulty cutting thick lumber is because of its short stroke length which doesn't clear the wood chips from the blade. The matter is made worse when a suitable blade isn't selected for the job.
Yeah, exactly. I hadn’t thought about the blade being able to clear the wood chips, but maybe that’s why people complain about it. When I put on a blade to match the task, it did a great job for me. I was pretty impressed.
Good video. I wanna pick this one up soon, just for pipes, small boards, tree limbs, nails, pvc, aluminium, thin steel and similar stuff. I wanna get the bosch full size recip too 😎
Yeah, I think it’s great for that kind of stuff. I don’t blame you, sometimes you need the power of a full size. It definitely helps to have the right tool for the job. I’ve tried too many times to get by with what I had. Sometimes it’s just worth it to get something that’ll make the job go easier, for sure. Let me know how you like it.
You’re welcome! Cool, what one did you get. The Ryobi version looks interesting, because they claim that it doesn’t require bar and chain oil. Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate the encouragement.
Rob...you mean two? 🤦♀️ I started out with just the regular M12 because that is all Home Depot had at the moment and I wanted to trim right away. I loved the idea that it was super light , but it only came with a 1.5 battery. It created too much vibration for me, I had a decent blade on it, a Milwaukee one designed for wood, but I ended up deciding to go with the 18 fuel because I thought I might be more happy with it in the long run! My thoughts were exact that as yesterday I was out there trimming much thicker tree branches with hardly a drop of vibration! I used the same blade I had on the 12. The fuel 18 came stock with a 5.0 battery so I guess it needed the extra power as well,(for me anyway)! Yes it's quite a bit heavier than the other one but if I can get the work done so much faster and easier without all that vibration I can handle the extra weight of the tool! Thanks for asking!
Oh, got ya. Sorry, I was thinking you commented on the m12 hatchet video for some reason, that’s why I mentioned bar and chain oil in the last comment. Sorry about that. Cool, yeah, I don’t have the M18 version, but I got the regular M12 for its size and weight, but when the M12 fuel came up on sale for a good price, I thought the extra power might come in handy sometime. I do have a full size recip, but as you know, there are some situations where having something you can use with one hand can come in really handy. Sounds like you really like the M18 version. Very cool.
Cutting a 2x4 is a little too big a job for this little saw. It has the power to do so, but the stroke length is way too short. It cant clear the wood chips away well enough for it to cut well. I have found though that it does cut a little better with a Diablo brand demolition blade than the Milwaukee brand one. Doesnt vibrate your hand and arm nearly as much. So blade brand and design does make a difference. I bought mine on sale for $100 as the kit with the battery and charget at the local Farm and Fleet to use for exhaust work on my van. It cut that exhaust tubing easily enough, paid for itself on that job alone when cutting the old, loud muffler off. The only issue it had was the 18 tpi blade I used (finest tooth blade I could find at the moment) would get caught on the tubing and shake it rather than cut it. Im sure a 24 tpi blade would have done a better job in that aspect.
Yeah, I imagine it would be perfect for a job like that. I bought it more for those smaller things, but I wanted to see how well it could do. It even went through some galvanized and cast iron pipe. Pretty cool.
I already have a full recip saw but it is more 2 handed operation for those big jobs. I wanted something small for prunning, getting into those tight places so ordered one of these. I'll give it a run though soon.
Yeah, exactly. These are great for right spots and when you need to hold the piece you’re cutting with one hand. If you’re looking for something specifically for pruning, you might want to check out the M12 Hatchet. I did a video on that too if you’re interested. I love mine. It’s not as versatile as this hakzall, but it’s great for pruning. I think these hakzalls are good for smaller cuts, and awkward places like tight spaces and overhead cuts. Let me know how you like it.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I have the hatchet already and love it. Yet it is pretty big. Looking for something for tiny branches I got this hackzal cheap so not worried if it underperforms.
It just takes longer than the fuel version. I use it to cut 1" and smaller EMT all day, for me works great, light weight, smaller. Got it for $64+tax cdn. I use a 6Ah battery tho
Yeah, I like it. I had low expectations after seeing Jeffostroff’s video, but I think it’s great. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your experience. I appreciate it. 👍
I think as an electrician what more are are you gonna use it for than really 1” EMT or maybe rigid but other than that it’s drywall which this is perfect for small use
Yeah, true. I have used it on heavy stuff to see how well it does, but I wouldn’t recommend to others using it for old galvanized or cast iron pipe. It kept going like a trooper though. lol. It’s a cool little tool.
The 2420-20 is great at it's intended purpose and I'm not sure the extra cost the M12 Fuel is worth it...considering the M18 Fuel is almost the same bare tool price.
Hey Scott! Yeah, I agree, man. When I put on a blade that matches the task, it seems to do just fine. I did buy the fuel version afterwards, because it came on sale really cheap, so I thought it might be fun to compare them in a video sometime. Thanks for taking the time to comment on the video. I appreciate it.
Seems best to get the Fuel if buying stand alone......but they only include the non-Fuel version in their $200 5-tool kit that I'm _so close_ to certainly getting, so I hope the OG Hackzall is still a good tool.
lol, facts! Yeah, the title and premise was mostly in response to videos I had seen. In one video Jeffostroff said it couldn’t cut through butter. So, I wanted to make a video testing it. It even cut through old metal drain pipe. It shook a lot, but it worked. I like Jeff and his channel, but I don’t know why he had such a bad experience with it.
I have this and have found it to not be very strong which is surprising for Milwaukee.... it had a hard time cutting through even smaller branches....Honestly the first Milwaukee tool I can say that I was disappointed with
That sucks. I wonder if they have some lemons coming off their lines, because that sounds like the experience Jeff Ostroff had with his. The blades I had were new from that Milwaukee case that might be visible in parts of the video, so maybe the fact that they were new helped. I’ll have to try mine with branches. It wasn’t fun cutting through that 2X4, it really shakes your arm I was really feeling it in my wrist. I ended up buying the fuel vHackzall too when that was on sale, and I haven’t cut anything with it, but it’s weird, because it seems to have less vibration when just pulling the trigger, but not cutting anything compared to the one in the video. I noticed looking at my footage that I didn’t always have the shoe right up against the piece I was cutting, and that did helps when I remembered to do that. Maybe it’s just better for metal and plastic than it is for wood. Have you tried cutting anything besides the branches? If so, how did it do?
Same but understandable. I have the m18 non fuel and bought this m12 version for the size. Went to cut notches in 2x4 and it did struggle but I only had a small battery on it. Its a smaller tool with very short stroke. Use the bigger batteries and nice sharp blades for best possible outcome. I use mine to do small quick jobs like cutting holes in OSB or cutting some pipe etc etc. Its super light and my m18 hackzall can get heavy after a 10-12 hr shift
Yes you are correct but think about real life situations where you can't make full contact with the shoe to the material. He's not in that sitaution but sometimes the blade or material bind and jerk the tool around
Next time use some canola/sunflower as your b&c oil and it might taste better! ...In fact, maybe try exclusively using veg oil as your b&c oil, as I hear it works well and is certainly better for the environment -not to mention cheaper.-
Hey Gerard, good catch again. That’s up to you. As far as I’m concerned, if you want it, you won fair and square, but if you want, we can wait to see if anyone else catches it. Yup, I sure am wearing it. I like it a lot. You almost have to put keys or phone or something in the front pocket, because the weight of the battery pulls it backwards a little, but otherwise, I really like it.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I was actually going to buy the m12 fuel. But most of my cuts would be wood. Not going to lie the weight on the m18 fuel surprised me, it has some heft.
Yeah, exactly. I did find out that it can get stuff done in a pinch that I would normally choose something more powerful for. I think it was after this video, but it cut though some old 1 1/2 galvanized pipe. It was a tight spot, so this thing came in handy.
Good catch, Billy. Unfortunately, Gerard beat you to it and claimed the prize. There’s more hidden unclaimed in videos and I’ll be doing more of them in the future. Might be a few weeks though, because I gotta get my taxes done and I have a lot of hours coming up at work. Thanks for watching and commenting.
That’s what Jeffostroff said in his video. I think it really depends on what you’re looking to cut. It got the job done for me in some tight spaces, but it would definitely be nicer if it was more powerful.
Sorry for the delay, I don’t know what happened, but all of a sudden, I have a ton of comments showing up in the YT creator studio app that I don’t remember ever seeing before. Have you ever seen this happen before? Was your comment for a hidden message in the video? I can’t remember if I had one in there.
Picked one up Friday and haven't opened it yet - you've convinced me to return it.
Did you take it back? I’ve heard the fuel version is better (it’s bigger though so I’m still going to keep this one for really tight spaces). I imagine the M17 versions are more powerful, but probably even bigger than the m12 fuel version. Let me know what you get instead.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I did return it. I bought it on a whim as it was on sale. But I already have a full sized sawzall and when you get down to I didn't need both.
Thank you for the review 🤘🤘🤘 Talked me into keeping the one i got and just buying nicer blades. Subbed. 👍
Thanks, I’m glad you liked it. I ended up seeing a really good deal on the fuel version, so I should do a comparison video sometime. This one is definitely smaller, so it’s good for tight spaces.
This class of saw has its own place. Ppl expect this to compete with the full size tool which is not wat it's for. Ppl buy sledgehammers and small hammers for a reason.
The reason this tool has difficulty cutting thick lumber is because of its short stroke length which doesn't clear the wood chips from the blade. The matter is made worse when a suitable blade isn't selected for the job.
Yeah, exactly. I hadn’t thought about the blade being able to clear the wood chips, but maybe that’s why people complain about it. When I put on a blade to match the task, it did a great job for me. I was pretty impressed.
Good video. I wanna pick this one up soon, just for pipes, small boards, tree limbs, nails, pvc, aluminium, thin steel and similar stuff. I wanna get the bosch full size recip too 😎
Yeah, I think it’s great for that kind of stuff. I don’t blame you, sometimes you need the power of a full size. It definitely helps to have the right tool for the job. I’ve tried too many times to get by with what I had. Sometimes it’s just worth it to get something that’ll make the job go easier, for sure. Let me know how you like it.
Thanks for the great video can’t wait to try my version out tomorrow on some tree limbs!
You’re welcome! Cool, what one did you get. The Ryobi version looks interesting, because they claim that it doesn’t require bar and chain oil. Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate the encouragement.
Rob...you mean two? 🤦♀️ I started out with just the regular M12 because that is all Home Depot had at the moment and I wanted to trim right away. I loved the idea that it was super light , but it only came with a 1.5 battery. It created too much vibration for me, I had a decent blade on it, a Milwaukee one designed for wood, but I ended up deciding to go with the 18 fuel because I thought I might be more happy with it in the long run! My thoughts were exact that as yesterday I was out there trimming much thicker tree branches with hardly a drop of vibration! I used the same blade I had on the 12. The fuel 18 came stock with a 5.0 battery so I guess it needed the extra power as well,(for me anyway)! Yes it's quite a bit heavier than the other one but if I can get the work done so much faster and easier without all that vibration I can handle the extra weight of the tool! Thanks for asking!
Oh, got ya. Sorry, I was thinking you commented on the m12 hatchet video for some reason, that’s why I mentioned bar and chain oil in the last comment. Sorry about that. Cool, yeah, I don’t have the M18 version, but I got the regular M12 for its size and weight, but when the M12 fuel came up on sale for a good price, I thought the extra power might come in handy sometime. I do have a full size recip, but as you know, there are some situations where having something you can use with one hand can come in really handy. Sounds like you really like the M18 version. Very cool.
Cutting a 2x4 is a little too big a job for this little saw. It has the power to do so, but the stroke length is way too short. It cant clear the wood chips away well enough for it to cut well. I have found though that it does cut a little better with a Diablo brand demolition blade than the Milwaukee brand one. Doesnt vibrate your hand and arm nearly as much. So blade brand and design does make a difference.
I bought mine on sale for $100 as the kit with the battery and charget at the local Farm and Fleet to use for exhaust work on my van. It cut that exhaust tubing easily enough, paid for itself on that job alone when cutting the old, loud muffler off. The only issue it had was the 18 tpi blade I used (finest tooth blade I could find at the moment) would get caught on the tubing and shake it rather than cut it. Im sure a 24 tpi blade would have done a better job in that aspect.
Yeah, I imagine it would be perfect for a job like that. I bought it more for those smaller things, but I wanted to see how well it could do. It even went through some galvanized and cast iron pipe. Pretty cool.
Very helpful video thanks👍🏻
Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!
I already have a full recip saw but it is more 2 handed operation for those big jobs. I wanted something small for prunning, getting into those tight places so ordered one of these. I'll give it a run though soon.
Yeah, exactly. These are great for right spots and when you need to hold the piece you’re cutting with one hand. If you’re looking for something specifically for pruning, you might want to check out the M12 Hatchet. I did a video on that too if you’re interested. I love mine. It’s not as versatile as this hakzall, but it’s great for pruning. I think these hakzalls are good for smaller cuts, and awkward places like tight spaces and overhead cuts. Let me know how you like it.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I have the hatchet already and love it. Yet it is pretty big. Looking for something for tiny branches I got this hackzal cheap so not worried if it underperforms.
Got ya. Yeah, it is smaller and lighter than the hatchet. That’s probably a good way to go.
It just takes longer than the fuel version. I use it to cut 1" and smaller EMT all day, for me works great, light weight, smaller. Got it for $64+tax cdn. I use a 6Ah battery tho
Yeah, I like it. I had low expectations after seeing Jeffostroff’s video, but I think it’s great. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your experience. I appreciate it. 👍
you have the m18 fuel ?
thanks rob good info
Sorry I’m just seeing your comment. You’re welcome. Thanks for letting me know you liked it. I appreciate it.
Carbide blades on these saws are worth the money. Actually, for any sawzall/saw.
Yeah, for sure! I learned my lesson with the cheap Harbor Freight blades.
I think as an electrician what more are are you gonna use it for than really 1” EMT or maybe rigid but other than that it’s drywall which this is perfect for small use
Yeah, true. I have used it on heavy stuff to see how well it does, but I wouldn’t recommend to others using it for old galvanized or cast iron pipe. It kept going like a trooper though. lol. It’s a cool little tool.
Would it work for rigid and galvanize unistrut
I thought it was Anthony from Linus Tech Tips lol
😂 I’ll take that as a compliment. Dude has some knowledge, especially things like Linux and gaming.
Cute lil baby saw 👶🪚🤗
The 2420-20 is great at it's intended purpose and I'm not sure the extra cost the M12 Fuel is worth it...considering the M18 Fuel is almost the same bare tool price.
Hey Scott! Yeah, I agree, man. When I put on a blade that matches the task, it seems to do just fine. I did buy the fuel version afterwards, because it came on sale really cheap, so I thought it might be fun to compare them in a video sometime. Thanks for taking the time to comment on the video. I appreciate it.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 Right on, these tools are immensely capable so it just comes down to return on investment. So sales settle any argument. lol
Seems best to get the Fuel if buying stand alone......but they only include the non-Fuel version in their $200 5-tool kit that I'm _so close_ to certainly getting, so I hope the OG Hackzall is still a good tool.
I have the M18 version. with the right blade it will cut whatever you lay it on !
I can imagine. If they can do this with 12 volts, it seems like the 18v would be even better. I think your statement about the right blade is spot on.
My experience would lead to the question ‘what does it NOT cut’ :)
lol, facts! Yeah, the title and premise was mostly in response to videos I had seen. In one video Jeffostroff said it couldn’t cut through butter. So, I wanted to make a video testing it. It even cut through old metal drain pipe. It shook a lot, but it worked. I like Jeff and his channel, but I don’t know why he had such a bad experience with it.
I have this and have found it to not be very strong which is surprising for Milwaukee.... it had a hard time cutting through even smaller branches....Honestly the first Milwaukee tool I can say that I was disappointed with
That sucks. I wonder if they have some lemons coming off their lines, because that sounds like the experience Jeff Ostroff had with his. The blades I had were new from that Milwaukee case that might be visible in parts of the video, so maybe the fact that they were new helped. I’ll have to try mine with branches. It wasn’t fun cutting through that 2X4, it really shakes your arm I was really feeling it in my wrist. I ended up buying the fuel vHackzall too when that was on sale, and I haven’t cut anything with it, but it’s weird, because it seems to have less vibration when just pulling the trigger, but not cutting anything compared to the one in the video. I noticed looking at my footage that I didn’t always have the shoe right up against the piece I was cutting, and that did helps when I remembered to do that. Maybe it’s just better for metal and plastic than it is for wood. Have you tried cutting anything besides the branches? If so, how did it do?
Same but understandable. I have the m18 non fuel and bought this m12 version for the size. Went to cut notches in 2x4 and it did struggle but I only had a small battery on it. Its a smaller tool with very short stroke. Use the bigger batteries and nice sharp blades for best possible outcome. I use mine to do small quick jobs like cutting holes in OSB or cutting some pipe etc etc. Its super light and my m18 hackzall can get heavy after a 10-12 hr shift
It tends to work a lot better if you keep the shoe pressed against the material.
Yes you are correct but think about real life situations where you can't make full contact with the shoe to the material. He's not in that sitaution but sometimes the blade or material bind and jerk the tool around
The problem i don’t really like with mine is the chuck doesn’t like to twist too release the blade
Oh wow, I can definitely imagine that getting annoying. Have you found any solution?
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 going to try lube it up see if that works
Yeah, that’s what I think I’d do first too. Let me know if it works. Good luck.
You got this saw to cut your cakes faster! Confess!
Sure did! I had to. The bar and chain oil from the chainsaw didn’t taste good on the cake. 🤣
Next time use some canola/sunflower as your b&c oil and it might taste better!
...In fact, maybe try exclusively using veg oil as your b&c oil, as I hear it works well and is certainly better for the environment -not to mention cheaper.-
You're working that tool to hard. If you tilt the saw up & down, like you did near the end of that 2 x 4 cut , it will cut easier.
Yeah, I agree. My ADHD mind was probably thinking about something else. lol. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
i already won once so some on else deserves it, also are you wearing the heated hoodie?
Hey Gerard, good catch again. That’s up to you. As far as I’m concerned, if you want it, you won fair and square, but if you want, we can wait to see if anyone else catches it. Yup, I sure am wearing it. I like it a lot. You almost have to put keys or phone or something in the front pocket, because the weight of the battery pulls it backwards a little, but otherwise, I really like it.
When it comes to wood cutting m18 fuel is the way to go.
Yeah, I imagine the 18 volts would give it more umph. This little thing is nice for tight spots.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 I was actually going to buy the m12 fuel. But most of my cuts would be wood. Not going to lie the weight on the m18 fuel surprised me, it has some heft.
Yeah, hopefully you don’t have to do anything overhead with that thing. Even just cutting a pipe with the m12 above your head makes my arm tired. lol.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 😲
It smells hahaha that’s my fav part 😂
lol, thanks. I’m glad you liked it.
gr8 tool for med/lite duty detail cutz thats wht its ment for - uz m18 for med/hvy work - 40yrs hy tekk handyman cntr/cty philly
Yeah, exactly. I did find out that it can get stuff done in a pinch that I would normally choose something more powerful for. I think it was after this video, but it cut though some old 1 1/2 galvanized pipe. It was a tight spot, so this thing came in handy.
hacked it
Good catch, Billy. Unfortunately, Gerard beat you to it and claimed the prize. There’s more hidden unclaimed in videos and I’ll be doing more of them in the future. Might be a few weeks though, because I gotta get my taxes done and I have a lot of hours coming up at work. Thanks for watching and commenting.
half the test is trying to cut the 2x4 lol
Yep, and not having your arm numb from all the shaking afterwards. lol
The oscillating tool is better… that saw is useless
That’s what Jeffostroff said in his video. I think it really depends on what you’re looking to cut. It got the job done for me in some tight spaces, but it would definitely be nicer if it was more powerful.
HACK IT
Sorry for the delay, I don’t know what happened, but all of a sudden, I have a ton of comments showing up in the YT creator studio app that I don’t remember ever seeing before. Have you ever seen this happen before? Was your comment for a hidden message in the video? I can’t remember if I had one in there.
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 yes it was from a hidden message near the end of the video
@@gerardjachymiak5822 ok, cool, I think you went for an Amazon card before. Do you want to do the same again?
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 can you paypal me
@@rob-toolsandtech2521 please