Neil Gaiman told a great story about how he once met Moore at a restaurant and he described to one of the gruesome murders in the book, and Gaiman had to step out of the restaurant because it grossed him out so much.
Gull is one of the most twisted villains, or villainous protagonists, I've come across in a while. He's just...a bad guy. Which I feel is putting it lightly. The idea that his sigil or spell or sacrifice in some way led to the continued oppression of women is or the intense escalation of misogyny, murder, and the whole mess, thematically, is pretty good. Historically of course, that oppression is...very commonplace, because every old shit bag like Gull thinks he's making good choices. Eddie Campbell's art is...beautifully grotesque and is like wood carvings almost. The lack of colour really heightens how stark the scenes are, there's no hiding behind splatter, she's being butchered. I've mentioned my discomfort with Moore's tendency to write women into hellish situations, but this is the only book where that makes sense to do so. Because this happened, a monster lurked those streets, and 5 women were killed. And what a monster indeed. In his last moments he thought himself God in Heaven, but was just another demon of the Earth EDIT True Crime is a strange and morbid theatre to play in. But nonetheless it is captivating.
Okay easy opium recipe. Go buy all the poppy seed bagels, scrape off the seeds into a hot pot & burn those fuckers until they liquify. (this probably won't work fyi, also opium...not recommended for recreational use.)
I'm dying to read this when it's finally released. I've really only heard about it in passing and have no idea what it's about. But new Alan Moore is new Alan Moore. I'd love to do an ep on it. Any word on a collected edition release date?
Great video as always boys. It actually makes me want to pick up From Hell and give it another go. As we’ve previously discussed, this is one of my lesser favorite Alan Moore works. I found it was too meandering, and kept beating around the bush. I understand as much as any man that Alan is verbose, but come on man, get to the point. If you’re interested in other true crime comics, I’d highly recommend My Friend Dahmer from Derf, a guy who went to high school with the notorious serial killer. I also hear that Torso from Brian Michael Bendis was good, but I was wholly unimpressed with the art when I glanced at it at a book store, it looked so bland and stolid. Apparently Bendis did it himself and it makes me grateful that at least he’s a good writer, as he’s not that great of an artist.
I read My Friend Dahmer a couple years ago and really enjoyed it. Great analysis on what shapes a killer. And I own Torso but haven’t read it yet. Despite the simplistic art- I love that Bendis just did the whole thing himself. Was an inspiration when I started working on my comic at the time.
@@ImperiusRex Ah great, glad to hear that you enjoyed it. I do enjoy the occasional nonfiction comic, though it's not always on my radar. I'd also recommend Hostage if you like the occasional nonfiction comic as well. Don't let its length deter you, it moves along at a nice pace, and it captures the anxieties of being stuck in a room for copious periods of time rather nicely, if you can take that as a praise. Mmm, perhaps I am being a bit too harsh on it. You're right, there is something noble about doing the comic yourself fully. I recall that Alan Moore even started out as a cartoonist before he found that he couldn't draw (in his words that is) and decided to stick with writing. It makes me feel bad, I don't have that much of a drawing ability...well that would be misleading, I can sketch with help from how to videos, but not much else. I'm now curious to hear who some of your favorite illustrators are, though I might save that for a future Q&A. (I have a lingering suspicion that Mignola's on that list)
Really enjoyed this video. One thing I think they missed was during Gull’s ascension and the ‘Mary Kelly’ murder, not only is he inspiring ‘creatives’, he’s inspiring future serial killers and notorious individuals (Pete Sutcliffe (the Yorkshire Ripper,) Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the Krays etc.) Incredible work. It’s also worth noting that the real William Gull was much more progressive than the awful version we see in the book. Great care must be taken when reading fiction based on real people!
Hell yeah at Dinosaur Neil appearing regularly! Also speaking of Moore: have you guys read Alan Moore's Supreme: Story of the Year? That book is amazing!
Got to be honest: I can't stand From Hell. I found it drab and confusing in its art. Multiple times we would have beautiful landscapes only to be confronted with a sketchy and unconfident portrait of... the protagonist? Or maybe the priest? Or that other guy's brother? Who knows! Also, it was needlessly grotesque. I found myself giving it some reach early on to establish the mystery and the terrible events, but to have it continue throughout the entire book was just exhausting. On top of which the conclusion isn't all that historically accurate according to modern studies, but I won't push that point too much when discussing fiction. I know people adore this book for so many reasons, but after three solid attempts at it and coming away feeling equal parts depressed, confused and disappointed I threw in the towel and sold my copy.
Perfectly valid- not everything hits for everyone. For whatever reason i really ate it up this time. Maybe because it was just so different from everything else I’ve been reading at the time. And I knew what I was getting into, from reading it years ago- but I can certainly see it’s not for everyone
I really enjoy the movie in of itself. I don't necessarily consider it a great adaptation but comics and films such a vastly different art forms that it is understandable. Nine times out of 10 when I hear people say that they haven't watched a adaptation because they want to read the source material first I usually advise against it. As I tend to find that it's much easier to enjoy the adaptation and then go to the original source and be able to see them as separate entities with their own qualities. Whereas when you start with the source material you almost always seem to be more beholden to it and constantly being pulled out of the adaptation to analyze the differences.
That is a spot on analysis. I completely agree with that, as there are several movies that I enjoy that are generally shit on because they strayed too much from the source material, while at the same time, quite a few good movies that I dislike because I read the book first and they didn't stick to it.
Neil Gaiman told a great story about how he once met Moore at a restaurant and he described to one of the gruesome murders in the book, and Gaiman had to step out of the restaurant because it grossed him out so much.
“Well well well,
Skanky trousers Neil Gaiman,
Modern master of horror.”
Gull is one of the most twisted villains, or villainous protagonists, I've come across in a while. He's just...a bad guy. Which I feel is putting it lightly. The idea that his sigil or spell or sacrifice in some way led to the continued oppression of women is or the intense escalation of misogyny, murder, and the whole mess, thematically, is pretty good. Historically of course, that oppression is...very commonplace, because every old shit bag like Gull thinks he's making good choices.
Eddie Campbell's art is...beautifully grotesque and is like wood carvings almost. The lack of colour really heightens how stark the scenes are, there's no hiding behind splatter, she's being butchered. I've mentioned my discomfort with Moore's tendency to write women into hellish situations, but this is the only book where that makes sense to do so. Because this happened, a monster lurked those streets, and 5 women were killed.
And what a monster indeed.
In his last moments he thought himself God in Heaven, but was just another demon of the Earth
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True Crime is a strange and morbid theatre to play in. But nonetheless it is captivating.
Random suggestion, Scott Pilgrim vs The World? Seeing that the movie just turned 10 it's been getting a resurgence of readers
Great video.
Dave's giving me some... very confusing feelings with that pair over there. Whew.
Another chain reaction recommend for you Stewart Lee interviewing Alan Moore in all his mad glory
Been wanting to read this for a while now. Definitely one of my next purchases.
How am I supposed to keep working knowing I can watch this?
Please please please, I beg you, do TORSO by bendis
You should look into some of Rick Geary’s work
"YOU'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT UP?"
Alan Moore
Hey guys discovered your channel some weeks ago and love it! I was wondering will you guys be doing Morrison's GL? Its way over my head haha
I read the first couple issues when it was released and it was crazy stuff. Even by Morrison standards. Wouldn’t mind returning to it soon.
For a moment i thought Dave had actual knokers. Now i dont know how to feel.
Let your heart guide you.
Ghost hunter Dave is looking mad thicc!
Okay easy opium recipe. Go buy all the poppy seed bagels, scrape off the seeds into a hot pot & burn those fuckers until they liquify. (this probably won't work fyi, also opium...not recommended for recreational use.)
I almost posted a disclaimer saying we weren’t really in the market for opium
This comic makes me TRIP BALLS I loved it. But I wonder what some things meant?
Are you guys planning on doing an episode on Cinema Purgatorio when the collection comes out? Alan Moore’s most recent work
I'm dying to read this when it's finally released. I've really only heard about it in passing and have no idea what it's about. But new Alan Moore is new Alan Moore. I'd love to do an ep on it. Any word on a collected edition release date?
@@ImperiusRex well, the avatar press site says that it’s out. But my order on Indigo is only scheduled for release on April 13th for some reason
@@sharkbiteTV Yeah- I looked on amazon and April 13 is what they have as well
Thanks for this. A mighty intimidating read that I'm now more open to tackling. Please pleeaasse do Grant Morrison's The Filth.
Been wanting to do an ep on The Filth. And another deeper dive on The Invisibles.
@@ImperiusRex Yesss ... Invisibles!
@@ImperiusRex "Anarchy For The Masses: The Disinformation Guide to The Invisibles" is an excellent book for a deeper understanding of the series.
Never heard of that one. I always companion it was Our sentence is up... I’ll have to look into this one! Thanks for the heads up!
Been waiting for this one 🤘🏼
Dave is SERVING IT in this discussion.
Day made, thank you. :)
Wtf! 🤢🤮
Great video as always boys. It actually makes me want to pick up From Hell and give it another go.
As we’ve previously discussed, this is one of my lesser favorite Alan Moore works. I found it was too meandering, and kept beating around the bush. I understand as much as any man that Alan is verbose, but come on man, get to the point.
If you’re interested in other true crime comics, I’d highly recommend My Friend Dahmer from Derf, a guy who went to high school with the notorious serial killer. I also hear that Torso from Brian Michael Bendis was good, but I was wholly unimpressed with the art when I glanced at it at a book store, it looked so bland and stolid. Apparently Bendis did it himself and it makes me grateful that at least he’s a good writer, as he’s not that great of an artist.
I read My Friend Dahmer a couple years ago and really enjoyed it. Great analysis on what shapes a killer. And I own Torso but haven’t read it yet. Despite the simplistic art- I love that Bendis just did the whole thing himself. Was an inspiration when I started working on my comic at the time.
@@ImperiusRex Ah great, glad to hear that you enjoyed it. I do enjoy the occasional nonfiction comic, though it's not always on my radar. I'd also recommend Hostage if you like the occasional nonfiction comic as well. Don't let its length deter you, it moves along at a nice pace, and it captures the anxieties of being stuck in a room for copious periods of time rather nicely, if you can take that as a praise.
Mmm, perhaps I am being a bit too harsh on it. You're right, there is something noble about doing the comic yourself fully. I recall that Alan Moore even started out as a cartoonist before he found that he couldn't draw (in his words that is) and decided to stick with writing.
It makes me feel bad, I don't have that much of a drawing ability...well that would be misleading, I can sketch with help from how to videos, but not much else.
I'm now curious to hear who some of your favorite illustrators are, though I might save that for a future Q&A. (I have a lingering suspicion that Mignola's on that list)
Good show, old boys! 👏👏👏👏
Really enjoyed this video. One thing I think they missed was during Gull’s ascension and the ‘Mary Kelly’ murder, not only is he inspiring ‘creatives’, he’s inspiring future serial killers and notorious individuals (Pete Sutcliffe (the Yorkshire Ripper,) Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the Krays etc.) Incredible work. It’s also worth noting that the real William Gull was much more progressive than the awful version we see in the book. Great care must be taken when reading fiction based on real people!
Hell yeah at Dinosaur Neil appearing regularly!
Also speaking of Moore: have you guys read Alan Moore's Supreme: Story of the Year? That book is amazing!
So is this dude still married? His cross dressing seems to have gotten out of hand
Still married and living the dream.
Got to be honest: I can't stand From Hell.
I found it drab and confusing in its art. Multiple times we would have beautiful landscapes only to be confronted with a sketchy and unconfident portrait of... the protagonist? Or maybe the priest? Or that other guy's brother? Who knows!
Also, it was needlessly grotesque. I found myself giving it some reach early on to establish the mystery and the terrible events, but to have it continue throughout the entire book was just exhausting. On top of which the conclusion isn't all that historically accurate according to modern studies, but I won't push that point too much when discussing fiction.
I know people adore this book for so many reasons, but after three solid attempts at it and coming away feeling equal parts depressed, confused and disappointed I threw in the towel and sold my copy.
Perfectly valid- not everything hits for everyone. For whatever reason i really ate it up this time. Maybe because it was just so different from everything else I’ve been reading at the time. And I knew what I was getting into, from reading it years ago- but I can certainly see it’s not for everyone
Any excuse, Dave. Any excuse. ;)
Ah come on this was a good one.
Jeff Lemerie is out here writing seven books a month. Lol
I really enjoy the movie in of itself. I don't necessarily consider it a great adaptation but comics and films such a vastly different art forms that it is understandable. Nine times out of 10 when I hear people say that they haven't watched a adaptation because they want to read the source material first I usually advise against it. As I tend to find that it's much easier to enjoy the adaptation and then go to the original source and be able to see them as separate entities with their own qualities. Whereas when you start with the source material you almost always seem to be more beholden to it and constantly being pulled out of the adaptation to analyze the differences.
That is a spot on analysis. I completely agree with that, as there are several movies that I enjoy that are generally shit on because they strayed too much from the source material, while at the same time, quite a few good movies that I dislike because I read the book first and they didn't stick to it.