I’m new to ‘Red-Dot’ scope’s, and I’ve asked many questions about ‘MOA’ designation but never got a really concise, or meaningful explanation until now. This is by-far the best explanation of ‘MOA’ I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much. “OUTSTANDING!”
by far one of the best VISUAL explanations for MOA sizes. I'm buying a red dot for my M&P 40L C.O.R.E and was waiting for the VORTEX VIPER to be released. I'm not expecting to use it for anywhere near /past 100 yards but wasn't sure if the 6 MOA would be too large of a dot. Thanks for the additional info /insight.
Absolutely excellent tutorial on the differences. I especially liked your mention of the trijicon chevron and your take on how best to zero with it. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome , i have been around firearms all my life but in an ignorant way & nvr really had the technical basis to go off of. Thanks for dumbing it down for guys like me 🤙
This does clear things up a bit. I have seen a video stating that the dots are identical sizes which I can confirm but other people state there is a difference even at close range. You don't want to spend all that money for something and get the wrong dot size that suits you. As long as the 2MOA will fulfil any requirement for static target shooting that is fine for me.
It depends on what you are doing when deployed or state side. Mostly kicking in doors is not 75 to 100 meters or yards. I prefer the 2 MOA for offense, defense, or even hunting. Everything I do will be within 100 yards. If I need to reach out further, I have a solution for that too 😏. Good video brother.
i tend to run the 4moa dimmed down. i wish the vortex strikefire2 had a 2 moa option though, as ive been using those for rifles (they only have a 4moa), and the sparc2 for ar-pistols (which is 2moa and physically smaller). eh. thanks for the video, i knew the mechanics but having the paper cut outs really helped with visualizing better. cheers
Thanks, Finally, first discussion I have found on the topic. I have a holosight on my AR, ! moa dot, and can't understand why the 2moa and 4moa. I can see my dot no problem. And my eyes aren't young. At 50 yards I dim my dot to a pinprick and can shoot holes touching holes. brighten it up for quick acquisition. Is it more expensive to manufacture a small dot as compared to a beach ball? Thanks
+imstricken06 I very much agree, my point was to go with something with that sight picture, not the actual eotech sight. I much prefer the eotech style sight picture over a single red dot for CQB and I think I found a solution..... I just ordered one of the new Sig Sauer optics, the Romeo 4M, and will be running it through its paces. I was able to see these at Shotshow 2016 and was very impressed. If it turns out to be good quality, which I don't doubt it at all coming from them, then it'll be some serious competition since you can get one for around $350-$400. The benefit with these is MOTAC system, which increases battery life by 10X, and the ability to switch between a 2MOA red dot and the eotech style 65MOA circle with 2MOA dot. Should be a fun test!
Trying to make a choice for first red dot right now, this was good visual food for thought! Any drawback to just zeroing a standard round dot for POI at the apex/top of the circle, similar to how you're describing your use of the triangular style? In other words, using like a 6:00 hold instead of center hold?
Eric D I really like my set up. I have a Troy rifle with an aimpoint pro (2 moa) and a vortex 3x magnifier behind it, that I can move to the side. I would think that if you want to see lots of bullseyes than get 2moa. If you zero your rifle at 50 yards that means you'll be zero at 50 and at 200. Most outdoor ranges I know dont go past 200 yards.
Nice instructional video BUT don't forget that the average-Joe shooter would have a hard time engaging a sedentary target (given environmental and physiological variables) at 300 yards much less a headshot. Our unit had standard issued 4moa sights and they were mostly used in CQB situations (50yrds or less). They guys taking the longer-shots(designated marksmen and sniper-types) were not using red dot sights! 4MOA sights are used effectively by infantry men worldwide...its the civilian-types that are stuck on 4vs2vs1 MOA....a good marksman will split your melon at 300yards with iron sights. IMHO, buy a nice set of sights (at a good price) and practice the fundamentals of marksmanship FIRST then worry about target acquisition out past 100yrds....the zombies won't be worth the bullet past that mark. lol.
Better understanding of 4 verse 2 Moa but still confused on which one I should get I'm thinking CQB but at the same time what if I have to engage a Target at 200-300 yards would the 2 Moa be a better choice overall. I mean a 12in circle is really big vs a 6in circle. If anybody can help out. My question I guess is, is a 2 MOA effective in CQB and going with a 2 moa be a good choice considering I might have to engage targets at a further distance?
Brian Reynolds 4moa is great for cqb. But it’s a big dot at 200 yards. It’s 8” wide. The dimmer you make it the smaller it appears. With smaller dots the brighter it is the larger it appears. I have shot the 4moa Aimpoint h2 on a 14.5” ar15 and put 3 rounds within a 1” box at 50yards. I simply dimmed it down some. At 100yd that would be a 2” group. At 300yd that would be a 3” group. Etc. not bad at all.
@@imstricken06 ok sounds good. Looking at getting the Wolverine 1x23 CSR Red Dot Sight 4 moa. Have you tried this red dot sight or have you heard of any flaws or anything wrong with it? So far it looks good and sounds good on reviews.
Brian Reynolds I typically stay away from magnified optics for cqb. It makes for a pain in the balls. Try it in store. Go to cabelas and try out an optic and do fast point and shoots and you will see why most magnified optics have 45degree offset irons or smaller red dots for quick engagements.
This is not the correct way to aim with a red dot. You should use it like an iron sight, meaning your point of aim is the top of the dot, which makes the 4 MOA dot just as precise as a 2 MOA dot. There really is no benefit to using a 2 MOA over 4 MOA dot size, unless you are using it wrong or have the eye sight of an Eagle.
I’m new to ‘Red-Dot’ scope’s, and I’ve asked many questions about ‘MOA’ designation but never got a really concise, or meaningful explanation until now. This is by-far the best explanation of ‘MOA’ I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much. “OUTSTANDING!”
Best explanation of MOA in TH-cam. Thank you.
Good job man. Believe it or not a lot of ppl need this explanation of moa. Made me feel better about my 4moa
Thanks, you have clarified many of my questions and misconceptions about the whole concept of MOA. Great video.
This video is ahead of its time and under rated thank you. This helps with my consideration of a rds for my edc. Deciding between a 2 moa or 6moa
by far one of the best VISUAL explanations for MOA sizes. I'm buying a red dot for my M&P 40L C.O.R.E and was waiting for the VORTEX VIPER to be released. I'm not expecting to use it for anywhere near /past 100 yards but wasn't sure if the 6 MOA would be too large of a dot. Thanks for the additional info /insight.
Thanks for the video helped a great deal. I can now decide what size to choose.
Hadn't found any definitive explanation on the differences between smaller and larger red dots, until I saw your video. Great job, many thanks!
Good video brother. Physical circles make it all come together - nice touch.
Best explanation ever. Great job, now I have a whole new appreciation for my vortex strikefire 2 4MOA.
The best explanation I ever have seen. Thanks from Sweden...
Best explanation on what "MOA" actually means & why it matters, Thank you
Thankyou for educating me! This was perfectly explained and informative!
Just the video I was looking for to tell me the basics of MOA. Subscribed
Absolutely excellent tutorial on the differences. I especially liked your mention of the trijicon chevron and your take on how best to zero with it. Thanks for sharing!
This is the greatest explanation made for red dots I have ever seen before.
Excellent job and much appreciated explanation. Knowledge is power and now I feel empowered.
a light bulb just came on:) thanks for the explanation.
By far the best explanation. Thank you.
Very informative, thank you.
Awesome , i have been around firearms all my life but in an ignorant way & nvr really had the technical basis to go off of. Thanks for dumbing it down for guys like me 🤙
Thanks for the info. Sounds like you really know your stuff. You helped me make up my mind.
This does clear things up a bit. I have seen a video stating that the dots are identical sizes which I can confirm but other people state there is a difference even at close range. You don't want to spend all that money for something and get the wrong dot size that suits you. As long as the 2MOA will fulfil any requirement for static target shooting that is fine for me.
Thanks. I was on the fence about ditching my strikefire 4 for a holosun 2. But you convinced me my 4 is fine for my stateside range AR.
just what i was looking for, thankyou
One of the best videos about moa thanks.
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Great video and plenty of much needed knowledge. Thanks
Best explanation. Ty
Great description! Thanks!
Good job young man.
It depends on what you are doing when deployed or state side. Mostly kicking in doors is not 75 to 100 meters or yards. I prefer the 2 MOA for offense, defense, or even hunting. Everything I do will be within 100 yards. If I need to reach out further, I have a solution for that too 😏. Good video brother.
THANK YOU! great vid and explanation! God bless! III
Thanks bro helped me not make a foolish buy , preciate your video)
Great explanation on Choices, and I'm sure a Lot of people watching got it also? Thanks.......
I love 4 moa at close quarters
Very well explained, thanks!
Great explanation
very good, that has answered my question
Great video and very informative. Thank you sir.
good vid and explanations. I'm trying to decide between another Aimpoint Pro (2 MOA) and a Vortex Strikeforce (4 MOA) for less than half the price.
Great vid thanks for explaning
Excellent Video...MOA can be very difficult to grasp to the novice..
excellent explanation!!! Thank u!
Great explanation. Thanks.
i tend to run the 4moa dimmed down. i wish the vortex strikefire2 had a 2 moa option though, as ive been using those for rifles (they only have a 4moa), and the sparc2 for ar-pistols (which is 2moa and physically smaller). eh.
thanks for the video, i knew the mechanics but having the paper cut outs really helped with visualizing better.
cheers
Thanks, Finally, first discussion I have found on the topic. I have a holosight on my AR, ! moa dot, and can't understand why the 2moa and 4moa. I can see my dot no problem. And my eyes aren't young. At 50 yards I dim my dot to a pinprick and can shoot holes touching holes. brighten it up for quick acquisition.
Is it more expensive to manufacture a small dot as compared to a beach ball? Thanks
Or simply go with an Eotech style reticle and you have the 2MOA dot for long range and the 65MOA circle for CQB, can't really mess up that decision.
+imstricken06 I very much agree, my point was to go with something with that sight picture, not the actual eotech sight. I much prefer the eotech style sight picture over a single red dot for CQB and I think I found a solution.....
I just ordered one of the new Sig Sauer optics, the Romeo 4M, and will be running it through its paces. I was able to see these at Shotshow 2016 and was very impressed. If it turns out to be good quality, which I don't doubt it at all coming from them, then it'll be some serious competition since you can get one for around $350-$400. The benefit with these is MOTAC system, which increases battery life by 10X, and the ability to switch between a 2MOA red dot and the eotech style 65MOA circle with 2MOA dot. Should be a fun test!
Trying to make a choice for first red dot right now, this was good visual food for thought! Any drawback to just zeroing a standard round dot for POI at the apex/top of the circle, similar to how you're describing your use of the triangular style? In other words, using like a 6:00 hold instead of center hold?
Ah, that makes sense to me, thanks! I haven't actually had any hands on with these things yet so it's all just conceptual in my head at this point
Eric D I really like my set up. I have a Troy rifle with an aimpoint pro (2 moa) and a vortex 3x magnifier behind it, that I can move to the side. I would think that if you want to see lots of bullseyes than get 2moa. If you zero your rifle at 50 yards that means you'll be zero at 50 and at 200. Most outdoor ranges I know dont go past 200 yards.
Nicely explained.
But why is it called minute of angle?
Great video
So 4 moa = 1 mao @ 25 yards?
Thx.
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Looks like my ex retarded girlfriend's tits.
Nice instructional video BUT don't forget that the average-Joe shooter would have a hard time engaging a sedentary target (given environmental and physiological variables) at 300 yards much less a headshot. Our unit had standard issued 4moa sights and they were mostly used in CQB situations (50yrds or less). They guys taking the longer-shots(designated marksmen and sniper-types) were not using red dot sights! 4MOA sights are used effectively by infantry men worldwide...its the civilian-types that are stuck on 4vs2vs1 MOA....a good marksman will split your melon at 300yards with iron sights. IMHO, buy a nice set of sights (at a good price) and practice the fundamentals of marksmanship FIRST then worry about target acquisition out past 100yrds....the zombies won't be worth the bullet past that mark. lol.
My Aimpoint H1 1-8 settings I can barely see the dot daytime is this normal?
sounds like 2 moa is good to me
Better understanding of 4 verse 2 Moa but still confused on which one I should get I'm thinking CQB but at the same time what if I have to engage a Target at 200-300 yards would the 2 Moa be a better choice overall. I mean a 12in circle is really big vs a 6in circle. If anybody can help out. My question I guess is, is a 2 MOA effective in CQB and going with a 2 moa be a good choice considering I might have to engage targets at a further distance?
Brian Reynolds 4moa is great for cqb. But it’s a big dot at 200 yards. It’s 8” wide. The dimmer you make it the smaller it appears. With smaller dots the brighter it is the larger it appears. I have shot the 4moa Aimpoint h2 on a 14.5” ar15 and put 3 rounds within a 1” box at 50yards. I simply dimmed it down some. At 100yd that would be a 2” group. At 300yd that would be a 3” group. Etc. not bad at all.
@@imstricken06 ok sounds good. Looking at getting the Wolverine 1x23 CSR Red Dot Sight 4 moa. Have you tried this red dot sight or have you heard of any flaws or anything wrong with it? So far it looks good and sounds good on reviews.
Brian Reynolds I typically stay away from magnified optics for cqb. It makes for a pain in the balls. Try it in store. Go to cabelas and try out an optic and do fast point and shoots and you will see why most magnified optics have 45degree offset irons or smaller red dots for quick engagements.
@@imstricken06 I'm on a budget so anything you can suggest for $150 or less.
Brian Reynolds vortex all the way. They are being adopted by many units and police depts.
is this guys head REALLY big or is his body really small!?
4 MOA head and a 2 MOA body
Popeye78382 LOL!!
Popeye78382 the inverted snow man.
LOL
just the tip.
This is not the correct way to aim with a red dot. You should use it like an iron sight, meaning your point of aim is the top of the dot, which makes the 4 MOA dot just as precise as a 2 MOA dot. There really is no benefit to using a 2 MOA over 4 MOA dot size, unless you are using it wrong or have the eye sight of an Eagle.
I explained that in the video.
пордон конечно! я конечно ваш шпрехен не понимаю! понимаю только маленький и большой! надо прицел покацывать а не белые бумажные кружки!
Great video