To be fair he has the problem of trying to find out what happened to susan, vs ruby is just a normal human back on earth, who is unlikely to move across the world suddenly- much less across space and time
@@ConnorNotyerbidness That's true but i still feel like he should've said more than 'Maybe i'll find her but i'll see YOU'. Kinda felt like should've been more heartbroken about Susan and decided to go looking for her.
Yes I feel that this season could have done with more episodes because this season we have had not that much time with 15 and ruby most of time and I feel like the series finale of this season feels a bit rushed because I feel as though this could have worked as a 3 part finale or for the finale to the 15th doctor era but with what Mrs flood said about 15 could we see him becoming the time lord victors or some new broken version of the doctor and could Mrs flood play a big part in his eventual regeneration story down the line
This!!! Not enough episodes to make a meaningful goodbye. It’s a solid season, but I don’t know either of them well enough. (This is a huge problem for so many shows.)
Exactly! It’s already been confirmed she’ll be back. For most of Matt Smith’s run by the end of each episode he’d return his companion to their home, then he would have adventures without his companions.
The first non-romantic “I love you” between a Doctor and companion, and it was just perfect. Every other time the line is said it’s always a long awaited “I’m in love with you”, and while this isn’t necessarily bad (Rose in Doomsday gets me as much as the next person), it is a common trope. When Ruby says it here, when she’s about to leave the TARDIS and she turns back one last time with tears in her eyes and looks at him and she quietly says “I love you”, it’s not an “Oh, I’m in love with you, actually”, it’s a “You’re my best friend, I know this is going to hurt you, I’m thankful for everything but we both know I have to leave even though I don’t truly want to lose you, I love you and I’m sorry”. Personally, I find it makes the scene so incredibly tragic and sad in a way a romantic “I love you” never could. Loved Ruby, loved her companion exit ❤ Little edit: The Doctor’s face at 3:15 is just a perfect continuation of this. Without words, it says “I know. I love you too.”
It's so nice to have a clearly platonic "I love you" between a male and female character. I love the Doctor and Ruby's friendship so much, even if it was short lived.
@@FelipeA81 I think those were less clear as to whether they were platonic or not. Amy has kissed the doctor before, and I don't exactly remember when Clara said it, but I don't think he's ever referred to her as his best friend, unlike Ruby. I would count Donna, since her relationship with the doctor is definitely platonic, but I don't think she's said it. Even if you don't see it as the first time, I still find it to be a really special and emotional moment, with no implied romance
@@FelipeA81 Ig it’s up to personal interpretation, but I always saw those as being romantic. I don’t think Clara and Amy ever actually have a relationship of that kind with the Doctor, but they are often portrayed as having a dynamic with the Doctor that shifts towards one of that nature. Amy tries to make out with 11 at one point and Clara and 11 (although they do lose this when he regenerates imo) definitely have the “I’m in love with you” vibe, as 12 specifically has the “I’m not your boyfriend, Clara” line in reference to their dynamic/relationship when he was 11. Ig what I meant with the original comment was that of the strictly “Best Buddies” relationships of the show (in which there is no mention or indication of the aforementioned attraction on either side) Ruby is the first to tell the Doctor she loves him.
anyone else notice that if her teenage parents had stayed together and eventually got married she'd be called Ruby Garnet (another gemstone that is often red)?
I've seen people feeling very mixed on whether the Doctor should have said "I love you" back. I did think it was odd at first, since this is the Doctor who has been pushed as more open and honest with his feelings. My interpretation here though is that the Doctor held back his response because he was trying so hard to send Ruby off with his usual charm and smiles. I think he was devastated not only that she was leaving him, but also because she got the closure she'd been dreaming about all her life and he didn't. That particular connection between them was severed. And while he didn't resent her for it, I think he also felt a lot of pain and didn't want to put that on her. And so he kept up a brave face and told her all the things he thought she needed to hear. But that "I love you..." I think perhaps he was afraid he'd just break down if he said it, given the fact that he did exactly that the moment she left.
That's literally RTD. I mean, in season 3 we heard David was leaving, the end, it looked like he was about to regenerate, but no. In season 4 we had a full-blown regeneration, but again no. End of time, 2, it happened.
I have very mixed feelings about this scene. I like the scene between Ruby and the Doctor, but on the other hand, i think the mention of Ruby's dad came right out of nowhere and is another plot contrivance
@SpiderBatFan I understand that but, the point I'm getting at is how they causally just name-drop him out of thin air when not one of the characters or even the audience knew that he had even existed. Hopefully, we will see the dad next season
@@oranmccann2476 that’s not true though, in the same scene Ruby finds out about her biological mother, Kate reads out her fathers full name so not only does Ruby know but everyone in that scene knew too. Also even if it wasn’t in that moment it makes logical sense that she’d be talking to her and she’d tell Ruby, about her father, especially his name so either way makes sense why she’d know his name
i'd love to see considering millie's absence in the xmas special and her reduced role in next season that 15 probably wont go back to her again, a lot like susan. part of me thinks that that emotional bond they shared of both being orphans is no longer there and 15 is a little bitter that ruby got her happy ever after
Yeah that’s definitely true, it’s really sad to see as that was a big part of how they managed to connect, like he said she did change him so he feels more open about the fact he was adopted than before, but he still lost the person he had that connection with. No matter what he can’t help but feel at least some jealousy about her finding her biological family and finding out why she was abandoned
Was I the only one disappointed by the reveal of her mother? It could’ve been any character already in the show, but they create this new character out of nowhere. As the viewer, it seemed very rushed, like it was a last minute decision going “oh hang on, we’ve forgotten about this”. And who was the woman who gave the Doctor the spoon? That whole scene confused me. Obviously we’ll see Mrs Flood again at some stage
I think all of this is just Davies trying to push his philosophy of "we put meaning" into things, to describe religion and faith, but does so much of a worse job than Moffat in Boom Many people didn't know their parents and wanted to know who they are, doesn't mean snow starts falling everywhere. There's no actual explanation for anything about Ruby being different. It's just a paradoxical loop of importance, the reason she's important is the reason people find her important. How dumb.
@@arcanewarrior863 :MOST of the best episodes of Davies first era on the show, was written by moffat, ALL of the best episodes of moffat era, was written by himself. take that anyway you want to, but thats a fact. moffat might not be VERY VERY good, but he is in fact, a better writtter than davies.
RTD confirmed there's more to Ruby and her Mom than we've seen, plus, we haven't met her dad. Plus, unlike Chris-C, he doesn't wrap it all up straight away.
Honnestl i liked Ruby a lot ... But to do a big emotionnal ending like that when we've only been with her for like 7 episodes is kinda over the top and doesn't work as much as for the other companions lol wish she had more episodes to know her more...
So let me get this right - in new Who - you can start dematerialising the Tardis but still have someone totally relaxed with you inside 30 seconds after hitting the switch even though they're intending to get off board? That's a new one on me.....and I've only been watching 50 years.
If she'd have a few more episodes to flesh out her character, we'd have a farewell scene just as good as Martha's. Shame that this one felt a bit rushed.
She wasn't sackefd. She's still the companion. She's back for the Christmas episode and the next season will have her and another companion both in the TARDIS with the Doctor :) Russel confirmed this in the Doctor Who podcast, I think
It's been confirmed she's not fired and she's still in for the 2 years the "confirmed sacked" was crap people said because theres gonna be another companion with ruby too people are saying any kind of crap to hate on the show don't believe everything you read unless its been confirmed directly by doctor who official
Unlike so many, I actually like this Doctor (other than snogging otherblokes), he's a good actor. Millie should have stayed. Not quite as good as Elizabeth (well who is?) but on a par with Rose and Clara.
the Doctor, at least since new who, has been a sort of "anything goes" when it comes to who he can have feelings towards. I mean, you kind of have to be when half of your species can change gender on the fly
Each to their own I guess. Personally I think Gatwa can't act for toffee. Millie didn't leave. She was sacked as Disney wanted rid. I will however agree with your comments regarding Clara (Jenna Coleman is my favourite actress and I have met her a few times) likewise when you mention Elizabeth I assume you mean the late great Liz sladen? I had a conversation with Jenna at a conference and she was thrilled that I compared her to Liz as my all time companions!
@@markguest9533 you've got proof that Millie was sacked or nah? Let's not pretend that quite a few companions didn't last only 1 season besides, she's going to be in some of season 2
They just made Doctor Who so horrible, the way the changed everything was just horrible. I grew up watching Doctor Who this version was horrible, thats why I stick to watching the classic better. I am so so disappointed.
Does anybody remember when Doctor Who was about preventing disaster? I can't help notice that in classic Doctor Who it was always a race against time for the the Doctor to outhink his enemies and thwart their dastardly plans to destroy the universe. Now, the Doctor seems incapable of doing so until the disaster has actually occurred? He can undo a universe-wide holocaust, but he couldn't prevent it from happening? I no longer recognise this show. 😢
Do you mean like when 10th didn't stop the Master from killing like everyone on earth or make everyone on earth like him? Or maybe you are talking about the pandorica accident with 11th? No, maybe you are talking about when 12th didn't stop missy's cyberman plan first and the master's cyberman plan (that one actually kills bills...yikes)? Nah, I get it! You are talking about the freaking gallifreyan genocide that 13th didn't prevent nor stop? You are truely a DW fan 😢
The Doctor was never omnipotent. He can face setbacks. He can fail. He's not even always right. What matters is that he always keeps trying, always keeps caring. Which he certainly has as 15.
@@darrynwalker6270 I see you edited your original post adding the label "classic" before Doctor who, trying to be clever, but here we go: 1st Doctor - He and his companions explore a weird planet, they end starting the war between daleks and thals. Plus, he freakin killed Katarina and Sara Kingdom. 2nd Doctor - In the episode "the war games" he caused the death of many people because he couldn't stop a war orchestrated by another renegade timelord, the war chief. Plus, he didn't stop daleks, a lot of people died like his companion Victoria's friends and relatives. 3rd Doctor - He caused a lot of enviromental damage during the green death episode. 4th Doctor - He tried to save people from a monster in a lighthouse, he failed, everyone die but him and his companion. Plus, he had one fucking job during the genesis of daleks, he failed, causing a bootstrap paradox 5th Doctor - Caves of Androzoni, he failed, a lot of people die, he regenerates. Plus, Adric, lol 6th Doctor - Again, he couldn't stop daleks nor cybermen. We can also talk about the war doctor, if you want to. Or 9th, or 8th. The Doctor failes a lot, causes a lot of deaths, this is why he felt loneliness and guilt, this is part of his character.
Ngl, bruh really said 'Yeah, MAYBE i'll see my grandchild, but i'll definitely see YOU again, young girl that i met 6 months ago'.
To be fair he has the problem of trying to find out what happened to susan, vs ruby is just a normal human back on earth, who is unlikely to move across the world suddenly- much less across space and time
It was so disappointing that they didn't show Susan they've eventually got to bring her back. All these hints.
@@thecrimsonavenger5750we saw a colourised clip of her though 🤷♂️
He hasn't seen his grandchild in hundreds of years. It's not like he's suddenly abandoning her, it's been this way for a long time.
@@ConnorNotyerbidness That's true but i still feel like he should've said more than 'Maybe i'll find her but i'll see YOU'. Kinda felt like should've been more heartbroken about Susan and decided to go looking for her.
This would've hit so much harder if we saw more episodes of them together and we didn't know she's back in series 15
I was thinking the same thing. Feels like this season just went by so quickly.
Yes I feel that this season could have done with more episodes because this season we have had not that much time with 15 and ruby most of time and I feel like the series finale of this season feels a bit rushed because I feel as though this could have worked as a 3 part finale or for the finale to the 15th doctor era but with what Mrs flood said about 15 could we see him becoming the time lord victors or some new broken version of the doctor and could Mrs flood play a big part in his eventual regeneration story down the line
This!!! Not enough episodes to make a meaningful goodbye. It’s a solid season, but I don’t know either of them well enough.
(This is a huge problem for so many shows.)
Exactly! It’s already been confirmed she’ll be back. For most of Matt Smith’s run by the end of each episode he’d return his companion to their home, then he would have adventures without his companions.
Saison 15 *
The first non-romantic “I love you” between a Doctor and companion, and it was just perfect. Every other time the line is said it’s always a long awaited “I’m in love with you”, and while this isn’t necessarily bad (Rose in Doomsday gets me as much as the next person), it is a common trope. When Ruby says it here, when she’s about to leave the TARDIS and she turns back one last time with tears in her eyes and looks at him and she quietly says “I love you”, it’s not an “Oh, I’m in love with you, actually”, it’s a “You’re my best friend, I know this is going to hurt you, I’m thankful for everything but we both know I have to leave even though I don’t truly want to lose you, I love you and I’m sorry”. Personally, I find it makes the scene so incredibly tragic and sad in a way a romantic “I love you” never could. Loved Ruby, loved her companion exit ❤
Little edit: The Doctor’s face at 3:15 is just a perfect continuation of this. Without words, it says “I know. I love you too.”
It's so nice to have a clearly platonic "I love you" between a male and female character. I love the Doctor and Ruby's friendship so much, even if it was short lived.
@@frostpatch2347 Couldn’t agree more!!
the fuck you mean "the first"? clara said it , we had amy saying it once I'm pretty sure.
'first" my ass
@@FelipeA81 I think those were less clear as to whether they were platonic or not. Amy has kissed the doctor before, and I don't exactly remember when Clara said it, but I don't think he's ever referred to her as his best friend, unlike Ruby. I would count Donna, since her relationship with the doctor is definitely platonic, but I don't think she's said it. Even if you don't see it as the first time, I still find it to be a really special and emotional moment, with no implied romance
@@FelipeA81 Ig it’s up to personal interpretation, but I always saw those as being romantic. I don’t think Clara and Amy ever actually have a relationship of that kind with the Doctor, but they are often portrayed as having a dynamic with the Doctor that shifts towards one of that nature. Amy tries to make out with 11 at one point and Clara and 11 (although they do lose this when he regenerates imo) definitely have the “I’m in love with you” vibe, as 12 specifically has the “I’m not your boyfriend, Clara” line in reference to their dynamic/relationship when he was 11. Ig what I meant with the original comment was that of the strictly “Best Buddies” relationships of the show (in which there is no mention or indication of the aforementioned attraction on either side) Ruby is the first to tell the Doctor she loves him.
anyone else notice that if her teenage parents had stayed together and eventually got married she'd be called Ruby Garnet (another gemstone that is often red)?
I've seen people feeling very mixed on whether the Doctor should have said "I love you" back. I did think it was odd at first, since this is the Doctor who has been pushed as more open and honest with his feelings.
My interpretation here though is that the Doctor held back his response because he was trying so hard to send Ruby off with his usual charm and smiles. I think he was devastated not only that she was leaving him, but also because she got the closure she'd been dreaming about all her life and he didn't. That particular connection between them was severed. And while he didn't resent her for it, I think he also felt a lot of pain and didn't want to put that on her. And so he kept up a brave face and told her all the things he thought she needed to hear. But that "I love you..." I think perhaps he was afraid he'd just break down if he said it, given the fact that he did exactly that the moment she left.
I love Ruby so much. She reminds me of Clara
How could they tease Susan so much, and not FINALLY bring her back? What are they smoking in that writers' room?
I’d question what you’re smoking, on account that you’re acting like this is a one season show.
RTd giant ego.
@@av799 that didn't work as well as you thought mate.
That's literally RTD.
I mean, in season 3 we heard David was leaving, the end, it looked like he was about to regenerate, but no.
In season 4 we had a full-blown regeneration, but again no.
End of time, 2, it happened.
I have a feeling that she might show up sometime in the next few seasons (at least I hope)
Millie Gibson has been brilliant, she’s a great actress. Looking forward to seeing her again next year.
This scene had
“I love you “ “I know” vibes.
Really sad and heartbreaking but exciting. Forget about the snow. this scene was FANTASTIC.
I have very mixed feelings about this scene. I like the scene between Ruby and the Doctor, but on the other hand, i think the mention of Ruby's dad came right out of nowhere and is another plot contrivance
I don’t think so, it’s only natural after finding her biological mum that they’d find her dad, it serves as another thing that makes Ruby want to stay
@SpiderBatFan I understand that but, the point I'm getting at is how they causally just name-drop him out of thin air when not one of the characters or even the audience knew that he had even existed. Hopefully, we will see the dad next season
@@oranmccann2476 that’s not true though, in the same scene Ruby finds out about her biological mother, Kate reads out her fathers full name so not only does Ruby know but everyone in that scene knew too.
Also even if it wasn’t in that moment it makes logical sense that she’d be talking to her and she’d tell Ruby, about her father, especially his name so either way makes sense why she’d know his name
@@SpiderBatFan I need to rewatch the story, so let's agree to disagree
How does everyone feel that this "I love you" compares to when Clara said it to Twelve?
I bet it was more of a rose or Clara and 11
same relationship, 2 friends who love each other a lot, but both rubby and clara didn't had the strengh to say to the doctor's face.
i'd love to see considering millie's absence in the xmas special and her reduced role in next season that 15 probably wont go back to her again, a lot like susan. part of me thinks that that emotional bond they shared of both being orphans is no longer there and 15 is a little bitter that ruby got her happy ever after
Yeah that’s definitely true, it’s really sad to see as that was a big part of how they managed to connect, like he said she did change him so he feels more open about the fact he was adopted than before, but he still lost the person he had that connection with. No matter what he can’t help but feel at least some jealousy about her finding her biological family and finding out why she was abandoned
Was I the only one disappointed by the reveal of her mother? It could’ve been any character already in the show, but they create this new character out of nowhere. As the viewer, it seemed very rushed, like it was a last minute decision going “oh hang on, we’ve forgotten about this”. And who was the woman who gave the Doctor the spoon? That whole scene confused me. Obviously we’ll see Mrs Flood again at some stage
I think all of this is just Davies trying to push his philosophy of "we put meaning" into things, to describe religion and faith, but does so much of a worse job than Moffat in Boom
Many people didn't know their parents and wanted to know who they are, doesn't mean snow starts falling everywhere. There's no actual explanation for anything about Ruby being different. It's just a paradoxical loop of importance, the reason she's important is the reason people find her important. How dumb.
@@arcanewarrior863 :MOST of the best episodes of Davies first era on the show, was written by moffat, ALL of the best episodes of moffat era, was written by himself. take that anyway you want to, but thats a fact. moffat might not be VERY VERY good, but he is in fact, a better writtter than davies.
I'm beginning to realise that 99% of the criticisms of this episode are people (possibly purposely) misunderstanding it
RTD confirmed there's more to Ruby and her Mom than we've seen, plus, we haven't met her dad.
Plus, unlike Chris-C, he doesn't wrap it all up straight away.
@@Brand-New-Adventures by rushed I meant thrown together at the last minute. That’s what it felt like anyway
Honnestl i liked Ruby a lot ... But to do a big emotionnal ending like that when we've only been with her for like 7 episodes is kinda over the top and doesn't work as much as for the other companions lol
wish she had more episodes to know her more...
This was such a parallel to doomsday when rose said will i ever see you again? And then when ruby says i kove you just like rose! 😢
Nah rose was annoying
@@paigemitchell-snudden711 no, you are
The story isnt over yet. ❤
Can't wait to see more of ruby next year in series 15
I love this look for the Doctor.
So let me get this right - in new Who - you can start dematerialising the Tardis but still have someone totally relaxed with you inside 30 seconds after hitting the switch even though they're intending to get off board? That's a new one on me.....and I've only been watching 50 years.
I know she'll be back but wish they'd fleshed out this relationship more over the 8/9 episodes
I loved their dynamic in The Devil's Chord, it's a shame that dynamic wasn't as consistent as we had all hoped.
This scene made me emotional 😥 A shame to see Ruby go. Ncuti and Millie had great chemistry.
If she'd have a few more episodes to flesh out her character, we'd have a farewell scene just as good as Martha's. Shame that this one felt a bit rushed.
it's okay Doctor, It's okay
Other incarnations of the Doctor saved planets, civilisations and galaxies. This wimpy version couldn’t even save his pocket money. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
How is this at all news? Months back it was confirmed that she was sacked.
But she's in season 2
They've already filmed season 2 she's still in doctor who
She wasn't sackefd. She's still the companion. She's back for the Christmas episode and the next season will have her and another companion both in the TARDIS with the Doctor :) Russel confirmed this in the Doctor Who podcast, I think
It's been confirmed she's not fired and she's still in for the 2 years the "confirmed sacked" was crap people said because theres gonna be another companion with ruby too people are saying any kind of crap to hate on the show don't believe everything you read unless its been confirmed directly by doctor who official
@@joonamato Ruby isn't the companion for the Christmas Special. They announced it was Nicola Coughlan from Derry Girls.
This is ridiculous.
Unlike so many, I actually like this Doctor (other than snogging otherblokes), he's a good actor. Millie should have stayed. Not quite as good as Elizabeth (well who is?) but on a par with Rose and Clara.
the Doctor, at least since new who, has been a sort of "anything goes" when it comes to who he can have feelings towards. I mean, you kind of have to be when half of your species can change gender on the fly
Each to their own I guess. Personally I think Gatwa can't act for toffee. Millie didn't leave. She was sacked as Disney wanted rid. I will however agree with your comments regarding Clara (Jenna Coleman is my favourite actress and I have met her a few times) likewise when you mention Elizabeth I assume you mean the late great Liz sladen? I had a conversation with Jenna at a conference and she was thrilled that I compared her to Liz as my all time companions!
@@markguest9533 you've got proof that Millie was sacked or nah? Let's not pretend that quite a few companions didn't last only 1 season besides, she's going to be in some of season 2
ruby is so pretty especially those lovely hosed legs
Ruby looks like a dead cross between Rose Tyler and Clara Oswald.
And no one cares. This is fan fiction.
They just made Doctor Who so horrible, the way the changed everything was just horrible. I grew up watching Doctor Who this version was horrible, thats why I stick to watching the classic better. I am so so disappointed.
Does anybody remember when Doctor Who was about preventing disaster?
I can't help notice that in classic Doctor Who it was always a race against time for the the Doctor to outhink his enemies and thwart their dastardly plans to destroy the universe.
Now, the Doctor seems incapable of doing so until the disaster has actually occurred? He can undo a universe-wide holocaust, but he couldn't prevent it from happening?
I no longer recognise this show. 😢
Do you mean like when 10th didn't stop the Master from killing like everyone on earth or make everyone on earth like him? Or maybe you are talking about the pandorica accident with 11th? No, maybe you are talking about when 12th didn't stop missy's cyberman plan first and the master's cyberman plan (that one actually kills bills...yikes)? Nah, I get it! You are talking about the freaking gallifreyan genocide that 13th didn't prevent nor stop? You are truely a DW fan 😢
@@albertosantimondello9676 no no i think he is talking about the flux that the 13th did not....wait is he..... what is he talking about?
The Doctor was never omnipotent. He can face setbacks. He can fail. He's not even always right. What matters is that he always keeps trying, always keeps caring. Which he certainly has as 15.
@@albertosantimondello9676 None of which is classic Doctor Who, is it?
@@darrynwalker6270 I see you edited your original post adding the label "classic" before Doctor who, trying to be clever, but here we go:
1st Doctor - He and his companions explore a weird planet, they end starting the war between daleks and thals. Plus, he freakin killed Katarina and Sara Kingdom.
2nd Doctor - In the episode "the war games" he caused the death of many people because he couldn't stop a war orchestrated by another renegade timelord, the war chief. Plus, he didn't stop daleks, a lot of people died like his companion Victoria's friends and relatives.
3rd Doctor - He caused a lot of enviromental damage during the green death episode.
4th Doctor - He tried to save people from a monster in a lighthouse, he failed, everyone die but him and his companion. Plus, he had one fucking job during the genesis of daleks, he failed, causing a bootstrap paradox
5th Doctor - Caves of Androzoni, he failed, a lot of people die, he regenerates. Plus, Adric, lol
6th Doctor - Again, he couldn't stop daleks nor cybermen.
We can also talk about the war doctor, if you want to. Or 9th, or 8th.
The Doctor failes a lot, causes a lot of deaths, this is why he felt loneliness and guilt, this is part of his character.
i don,t no how long this show of dr,? will last if or when disney decides to let ruby return in a dismal season # ?
You do know Disney only has a few shares.
It doesn't mean they control. Lol