The Canon R5C. Canon's "Weirdest" Camera...
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- 16 Stops Episode #13 We talk in depth about the Canon EOS R5C, a Frankenstein of a camera. We both own the camera, talk about our experiences, pros and cons, how it fits into Canon's lineup and what we think the future releases will be.
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I had almost every canon camera and the R5C is an Amazing camera. The intriguing part about the camera is how capable this camera is on the top end. 8k60, 4k120, the codecs, it’s small, 45mp stills, cinema menu, no overheating … but there’s workarounds needed but the biggest thing is there are as few cripples for the money than any camera we’ve had in a while(except clog2).
It's a great camera but my knock on it is the internal battery can't handle 8k60 and 8k60 is what you need for the 5.2mm VR lens so you have to have an external solution for it.
No clog2, not capable, compared with even a Sony zv-e1, which I bought used for $1700. Who cares about 8k.
It’s got it’s flaws…. But to me.. the image… the 8k sensor…. Rig it up… gimbal it up… v mount battery at all times 😅 the rf glass…. The 28-70 f2.0 just produces some absolute butter 👌🏽🙌🏽🙃 the R5C I love it
I was thinking about replacing my 2.8 24 to 70. Although I saw the 28 to 70 2.0 did not have stabilization. Wasn't sure if I needed it but did not want to lose it. Now that I have seen digital IS and the lens stabilization work together, I am pretty satisfied with the result..
@@PizzlesTechTime great lens too…. I just prioritised the image that renders out of the 28-70mm it pops 👌🏽 happy shooting man
On what gimbal?
Try this for fun … think of the R5c as a mini-cube cinema camera (get a cage) with a built in right side grip, a full frame 8K sensor, built in amazing EVF, swivel touch screen, and in body compact battery for when needing to stay small ….. you might think of it in a whole new way. Oh, and it takes amazing 45mp stills as a bonus.
To me, that helps me more easily know what it actually is functionally.
"small", LOL
I remember back in the day when Canon released the C70 after I had purchased the C500 Mark II...Of course my instinct was to feel defensive and assume that it couldn't come close to image quality and performance of the C500 Mark II...then I took a deep breath and realized that I was wrong. The benefits boiled down to higher resolution should I need it from the C500 Mark II...fast forward to now, JAN 2024 and I still own a C70 and no longer own a C500 Mark II. Tech moves so fast! Thanks for a terrific video!
Solid freaking camera for sure. Thanks for watching Carlos
Timestamps / Chapters on this video would be nice..
Main Discussion Starts at 15:04
Welp I've decided this will probably be my next camera.. Who knows when but 😍😍😍
(My current camera is the 90D)
It’s got its quirks but there’s no denying that it’s insanely powerful
If Panasonic don't bring it with the S1H-2 I'm coming home to Canon!!
I anticipate a release soon
Josh, I've been posting on Canon pages asking for a C70 sensor on an FX3 body with great battery life. Just that would make me very happy.
R5C is bulky and heavy for 8 hours of gimbal work, and I need something like R6, but it is still overheating. Where I am now, I am considering the S5II and use my old EF lenses just until Canon finds a way to make a small video camera. Disclaimer, I am mainly a photographer, so I don't want switch systems because Canon and Westcott flash works perfectly together. I m in a position where my company is growing, and video production is taking over. Now is 30% video, but soon it will be 50/50 or more.
Canon if you see this comment, can you please add Clog 2 and Clog 1 into the canon r5c? I would love to use clog and clog 2 as well, have the flexibility to choose different CP, can you also create a new battery that enable 8k-60.
Agreed
Why can't they just put the 1.5 extra stops of DR, wide DR profile, 10bit af-avc, 4k60HQ and false color as a paid upgrade in the R5?
I had to work around the EOS R. 😬😬
I have to work around the R5C. This is my first Cinema camera and I love it!!
I definitely believe that professional users should get into cameras that gives them room to grow. I shoot
Corporate Headshots, Corporate interview videos,
I also shoot weddings every now and then.
I’m shooting some great photos and video with this camera it’s definitely a step up from my EOS R!!
Where'd you get the screen protector for that DSMC 3 7"???
Amazon (Cine7”)
I’ve had the R5c since release and extremely pleased with it, even with the quirks which have are all easily resolvable.
The C stands for Cobbled
hahaha
Got to hold a r5c the other day, it’s scary close to the feel of a c70 especially with a battery grip
Canon pls give us clog2 hahah
They'll never do it haha.
Holy shit that intro 😂
Glad you enjoyed it;)
a Canon Fx3 style ??? I thought Canon had stopped producing cameras... ;-)
Well they’re back.
I'd really love to see a full frame RF mount cinema operating system camera with built-in ND, XLR, etc. In other words a full-frame C70. Josh sort of hand-waved the "I'd rather take the C70 over the R5C if I was only shooting video" without weighting the sensor crop, and maybe that's because he owns the 15-35, but as a prime shooter I'd rather be shooting 24 and 35 uncropped vs 16 and 24 cropped with the lenses currently available. It's bizarre to me that the "mount of the future" has only been adopted on one "cinema" camera and it's the oddball R5C.
what im waiting for to be able to fully use all my RF lenses, hopefully they realease a fullframe c70 soon
@@KarlevidProductions canon moves quickly, they will propose it in 2037...🙂
I am so bad with audio. I'm thinking about getting a handheld recorder rather than relying on on camera audio.
The zoom F3 is a pretty amazing small audio recorder
I had to upgrade my computer after gettig my R5c, too little space for raw files, always need a external battery.
but I cant give up 8K now because zoom editing is one thing 4k never can do better
Love the R5C. I think what people don’t realise with the clog2 issue is Canon don’t have a Full Frame 8K sensor that shoots clog2. Not yet. What camera are you comparing it too? It’s just not where we are tech wise right now. It will be hilarious when the R5C2 has clog2 and everyone complains it’s not clog4 😅
That's why it is not a good camera, any Sony full frame beats it in dynamic range.
Dynamic range is just one element that goes into the image. It's not everything. Would this podcast be any better if it was filmed on an Arri Alexa? or Worse if it was filmed on a Canon 550D? Before you see a movie in the cinema do you have to know what camera it was filmed on to decide if it was worth your time?
The Canon R5C has more usable dynamic range (12.7 stops according to Gerald Undone) than the digital cinema camera that shot most of the phase one Marvel movies (11 stops). You're saying the R5C is 'not a good camera' because it has MORE range than Captain America? Should we delete all media with less dynamic range than a Sony camera because.. it's not good? I appreciate you taking the time to comment, but at what point do you draw the line?
Are cameras just tools an individual creator chooses to make their content with.. or are you saying one content creator is better than another because of the cameras they use? Is one channel that uses a Sony better than another channel that uses a Canon.. and honestly.. how would you tell unless the creator told you what camera they were using? Is it the camera is what makes the content good ?
Canon reminds me of Apple a little bit with its company policies. I'm an Android guy so I don't particularly like it. I generally like how supportive Canon is! The forum online and other Canon users have been super helpful and nice. Didn't get much fanfare when I was on Panasonic.
Good to hear about the user base being supportive and helpful!
Canon is Japanese Apple!
1 other positive for me is the screen being pushed out bc of the fan. It’s actually better placed for viewing where I don’t pull the screen out near as often for photo or video. Having owned an A7RV, I grew to love looking straight down
Ok, I have C70s. I bought R5c for smaller shoots. They say it's a hybrid. Only if you are a hybrid creator. I am a video guy and rigged R5c in a smaller fashion than the C70s. If you rig it out for video, there is no way you will shoot photos. Example: I have a cinema lens with a matte box on the R5c. That's not easy to flip to the photo.
If you get a battery grip and use on photo lenses. It may be good for hybrid use. I have not met anyone who uses it for both of its strongsuits.
Currently using it for both in the Redwoods.
It’s sucking through battery and media, but that’s because I’m shooting everything in raw but it’s looking good!
@@16Stops I have an anton Bauer Battery brick on the bottom of the camera which no one would have on it for photos. Do you rig yours out or keep just a lens on it? I have the small batteries also but probably will not use them based on how I use the camera..
Canon is licensing their mount exclusively for money
💰💰💰
would love theft prevention. The horror stories....
Canon’s lens lineup is lacking. There is such little effort put into their non-L lenses. Honestly, the only attractive aspect of them is their price. No weather sealing; barrels that extend while focusing; middling image quality; horrendous focus breathing. All of them exhibit at least one of those characteristics (most have multiple). That isn’t to say that there are no appealing lenses, but my general opinion is that they should be better.
I don’t know, I guess I would rather spend more on a good “non-professional” lens than feel like I have to shell out for the f1.2 model just to get features that should be standard across the board.
Guys, this was a fantastic video, really enjoyed the conversation. Like you both and perhaps even Canon themselves, I've got a 'second wind' with this camera. In other words, I'm kinda more into it now than when I actually picked it up almost a year ago. Like what you said Josh about SONY allowing S-Log on their inferior codecs, just give us the dang C-Log2 and let us decide on if it's worth it. I think my biggest frustration with this camera, other than the obvious ones in which you mention here, is not being able to record video clips (as Custom 3) in photography mode. With some 'hybrid' jobs typically for social media type clients, this feature is a God send and with wildlife shooting which is largely photo-centric, to be able to shoot clips at the same time, is almost essential. Thanks guys, great chat. 👏
Yeah not being able to have the 3 custom modes in photo and video sucks
just came across this and i like it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm with Brandon on antitheft. Let me set up my FX with my apple watch or something that locks it when proximity is lost and certain other user definable flags are present. They are the last unprotected device in our lives if you think about it.
That would be rad.
At 1:05:25 totally resonated with the Canon version of an fx3. And, not just fx3 but fx30 as well. The M6 mark ii what kind of like that for me but after a few years all the workarounds for: 4k overheating, 30 min rec limit, battery life, picture profiles, etc. I was hoping that the R8 would have been the appropriate full-frame follow-up. maybe even a small boxy or viewfinder less version of the R7 would be a win in my book too.
I want one so bad
The R8 footage shows it's equally poor in dynamic range, and then it has a focus problem.
Amo mi R5C. Punto.
Antelope Audio Zen Go would have been better than the old compressor, but if it does the trick, why not.
Where do you guys go to sell most your gear?
KEH
OMG, at 37:30 min at bare start of Brandon's gripes list, already feeling a sort of "trauma-relief-catharcis" of operating the R5C 😂Thanks guys! I do love that Canon made the R5C and love the video I get out of its RAW footage, just very confused by some of its many obvious omissions.
Thanks man. My gripes list is ever growing haha
R5C 1st. 6markii 2nd camera. Cheers
Get after it.
Same
I’ve got Sony with Zeiss lenses. I’m good f u Canon
Good video! Do you guys do this on Spotify too?
Just YT for now.
I still feel somewhat new to R5C have had mine since June. What surprises me is that you still cannot use bluetooth or connect to wifi when you are in video mode. Another thing that they should fix in the future is the change in framerate. I live in Europe where we typically use 25 frames per second - that you have to go in and change the hz in the camera to be able to shoot 23 is crazy. There are times when it doesn't work either, the camera shows a record on the screen, but it doesn't record anything - it must be an error. Yes, a camera in that class should have built-in ND and full HDMI. Other than that, I love this hybrid camera. Bumblebee that flies above its weight class - fat and happy 🥳
What the weird!?
I told let Brandon do his thing, hilarious 😂😂😂
Untethered.
🤣🤣🤣@@16Stops
R5C build in bluetooth but not allow in video mode lol
DBX no. Art Voice Channel is the best.
Very good points highly informative
Is this anywhere I can listen to this as a podcast on the go guys?
Right now we are only on YT
Great episode boys
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
To have shutter angle alone is a beautiful thing on a hybrid camera
It’s so nice
This is not a run and gun camera! If you're trying to record video clips while taking photos good luck.
I would say upon release, I’d agree. However after all the updates I’d politely disagree. I’ve had quite a few shoots (professional setting and hours) that’s required me to do both.
Yeah I made a video about changing the color profile. I was trying to replicate the log footage from internal on the Ninja V + Apparently it's an HDMI spec issue. I still have not got it 100% yet. I actually enjoy editing and ProRes RAW though. Adobe doesn't seem to have much of an issue with it.
I sold my R5c after a week! I already own an R5 and the Cons on the R5c were too much. Canon do not know how to add a fan to a camera. Ugly with terrible battery life and AF.
Cant find for the life of me a gimbal that will 100% work.with the R5c I thought rs3pro.would work but i doesn't
Why does it not?
@@16Stops Doesn't work with latest canon firmware, no iso no F no record. Unless you are on 1.01.00 Fw its doesn't talk to each other
Nonoe talks about how TINY the cinema menu is on the R5 screen.
If you put the battery grip on it, you get a locating pin spot which helps with mounting I feel.
Omg you didn't say Canon R5C is canons BEST camera. 😅😂
is it?
@@16Stops Of course not! People always get their feelings hurt when it comes to brands. I'm just being dumb
hahaha yeah they do - And I knew you were being Cheeky:)@@PizzlesTechTime
In photo mode you can use the scroll wheel to change your ISO. I will have to look into the cinema menu but that seems like an oversight. Like it should absolutely be there
Yes - I'm referring to video.
@@BrandonTalbot in that case it absolutely should be there. I feel the same way about the animal tracking. I watced reviews for a couple months before I bought the R5C and I thought I was getting animal tracking lol. It's my own negligence but I do firmly believe it should be there. I'm going to test this face only autofocus also.
I'm saying you can't use the thumbwheel for exposure control during video which is really annoying. I'm not sure where AF came up?@@PizzlesTechTime
@@BrandonTalbot it was something previously brought up by Josh that was lacking for the camera. A few minutes before you discuss the ISO thing. Really the only issue I wasn't aware of when I purchased the camera.
straight up using the R5C with a sennheiser mk400 mic, rf 16mm 2.8 and a pocketed PD power bank its such an INSANE value for what you can do i swear theres nothing better for all around out, in, action, vlog, just everything (with some other lenses). I also hate battery grips so i prefer the v mount battery or bringing a power bank
I have that exact setup, with the exception of the power bank - but yes very powerful
@@16Stops @frostgodx Is vibration/micro-jitter a problem with this non-stablized lens on R5c doing handheld?
It still has an electronic stab in the camera that’s pretty solid. But you can always slap a huge lens and big Vmount and a top handle and reduce micro jitters substantially
@@16Stops Do you mean that it is a PROBLEM but we can use electronic stabilizer or make use of heavy rig to get rid of the problem?
I rather the overheating of the R5 instead of the battery life of the R5c.
No way. The R5C can be externally driven via PD battery power. Once the R5 overheats, you’re locked out for some time and screwed.
@@pharmatographist that’s not true. Regular 4k always worked on the R5. Plus now it doesn’t over at all. But the R5c battery life still sucks. Walking around with a power brick defeat the size of the camera.
@@pharmatographist plus I’ve had both cameras at the same time. The R5c shoots better footage but sucks to use.
@@presise1620 Well, your opinion is your opinion. I shoot with two R5’s and and an R5C, doing weddings. The 30min time limit still sucks. You mentioned specifically taking overheating over the battery life of the R5C. Anyone knows once a camera overheats, it shuts down and may or may not be turned on again for sometime. That would never work for me during a wedding.
@@pharmatographistit does not Shut Down, you are just not able to use certain modes.
Incredible, detailed, helpful content. Thank you so much for producing!
Glad you enjoyed it!