I swear to god you read minds! These are two bikes I’ve narrowed it down to (thanks to you since I get a sense of what they’d be like to own in Chicago!) And now this is the perfect video to help me make a decision between the two. Clutch as always, Scott!
I just bought the Aventon Level 2! I got an extra battery, a hefty chain lock, the bike in dark grey, and a phone mount for $1484! Unfortunately, both the Discover 2 and the Level 2 have increased to $1899, so the total for a Discover 2 with the same accessories is just under a whopping $2500! Times certainly are a-changing. Aventon still offers a free extra battery at the time of writing, and Velotroc offers $100 off the battery, so there's some consolation!
I looked at the level bike before my last bike purchase. The deal breaker was the lack of stem mounting points for a front basket or rack on the level bike. I had also assumed that I would have to invest in a new adjustable stem for the handlebars because the riding position of my Aventon Adventure (stolen) was too far forward for comfortable commuting. The Discover 2 is the best bike, for my purposes, that I have seen. Velotric really put a lot of thought into the design of their bikes
Would have leaned towards the Discover 2 based on what I had seen/ heard before your comparison, but this only confirms that the Discover 2 offers quite a bit more for the same price.
Is there any pro the level 2 has over the discover 2?? It seems Veloctric has them beat on every spec! Saw both at my local bike shop. Can view the screen on the veloctric even with polarized sunglasses. Was going to pull the trigger but learned the large sizes are all OOS rn and can't place an order. So went with original choice level 2, but will probably have serious FOMO when the discover is back in or a level 3 comes out 🤔
@@palmerfralickyou know what, couple days later canceled my Aventon order and placed one for the Veloctric at a different bike shop that was able to. Missed the cutoff for May delivery I guess, so now waiting patiently for some time in June!! Waited this long already, what's another month...
Curiosity got the best of me. The wife and I went to our local bike shop this past Saturday and test rode the Discover 2… wow! Long story short two Discover 2’s are on their way! Not that I don’t love your videos but… I called Velotric after getting my order together online. I just bluntly but nicely asked for a discount code, and it was granted. A total of $180 off! The accessories are already discounted 30% if you buy 3 so we outfitted ourselves with brand new gear. Two Discover 2’s, two suspension seat posts, new phone holders, mirrors, water cages and bottles, expandable panniers , shipped …. $4200. The only thing we didn’t replace were our helmets and seats. 😂
I have not reviewed a nicer commuter ebike than the Discover 2. You made a good choice! The seats on the Discover 2 is excellent, you wont need to switch it out and it sounds like you will be all set!
Thanks Doug. I understand about the dealer network. Velotric is expanding their dealership network as well but they are not where Aventon is at this moment in time.
Sir, I inherited a lectric 2.0 about 15 months ago and at first thought it was a novelty. I began to commute to work everyday, but because it has cable brakes I'm getting it serviced every six weeks. I got curios about the quality bikes, saw the Aventon... and I'm glad I found your video before I pulled the purchase trigger. The hill comparison alone sold me the Discover 2! (wife said mint was my personality color) 😁
The Aventon is now available in "glacier," kind of a minty-blue. I like the fact that the battery on the velotric is mounted on the top of the tube, which seems like it's less susceptible to road crap. Then again--might make it more vulnerable to rain. I like the reflective tires too. those are super bright at night.
I have owned a Level 2 for about 1 year and I love it. I wish it had turn signals and a more powerful motor for climbing San Francisco hills. I rented the Discover 2 for a week on Cape Cod and I loved it a bit more because it has integrated turn signals; a more powerful motor; and the throttle can be unlocked to 30mph. The torque sensor in the Level 2 is more responsive than the Discover torque sensor, which has a lag. I've added or changed on my Level 2 the following: added a suspension seat; changed the handlebar grips; added a mirror, bell, handlebar riser with phone mount and headlight, and turn signals. Also added a Topeak front rack. I bought the Level2 thru a local Aventon dealer who is giving me 2 free tuneups during the 2 year warranty period. I replaced my rear brake pads after 1 year because they had worn out.
The bike shop I bought my bike from had Aventon and Velotric among other choices. I was unsure, but somehow the Velotric seemed better. So I bought it. This video shows that my suspicions were confirmed.
Since we have real hills in North Atlanta that hill race with throttle only is the absolute deal killer for the Aventon. Thru axel is also another point for Velotric is you ever need to update the forks on a 27.5 wheel.
I have an Aventure2, and am looking to add a 2nd bike that's better for me on pavement. With fat tires' rolling resistance, I'm unable to ride it even on flat roads without some pedal assistance. That consumes battery range, even though I do like the softer ride with wide tires. I hope you have an update planned soon on the Level2, and keep the price the same.
Everyone make sure to look up your local laws on e-bikes. the fact these have throttles classifies them as class 2 vehicles which are sometimes illegal to ride on trails.
Please explain more. I'm torn between SO and ST. Is there any advantage to a ST? SO looks cooler to me. Is the frame strength between the two an issue? I have good hip mobility so I think swinging my leg over shouldn't be a problem. I don't have any image issues with a SO being for males and ST for females. I consider that old thinking. Can anyone weigh in on pros/cons ?
@@k.interneto272 I’ve heard that those who have step-through won’t go back to SO bikes. I like to trail ride so the added strength of a SO suits me. Although, street riding and tame dirt trails should be no problem with a ST. The top bar seems to help maneuvering through tide trail corners by using leg pressure on it. Either way, these bikes a great fun.
I have a Discover 1 for my wife and she really enjoys it. The main selling point is the higher weight capacity and the UL certified battery. They did have a step-over for the Discover 1, but I'm guessing it didn't sell as well. Given it is built like a tank, you probably don't need it. I like the improvements they made to the Discover 2.
I think both brands are well-made and you can’t go wrong with either. I have the discover1 and I know a lot of people ride Aventon in my area. Great review!
I originally bought a Discover 1 last year before the torque sensor was introduced by Aventon. Thinking I may want to trade up in the future, I test rode both the level 2 and the adventure 2 recently. The Aventon dealer wanted to charge an additional $200 over retail for assembling the Bike. My Velotric dealer sells for the same price as the website. After watching reviews of the Discover 2, I will hands down go Velotric over Aventon. Dealer location and customer service in this case wins out.
The buttressing on the Aventon lower frame looks much sturdier on their step-through than on Velotric. Makes me wonder if Aventon is under-stating its capacity. I do know first-hand their weld quality is 2nd to none in the industry. I'm also surprised the Aventon large frame doesn't accommodate riders as tall as Velotec does (I'm 6'5"), but maybe the seat post length on Aventon is limited by the frame buttressing. Although I have an Aventone Aventure2, and give it 100% positive rating in my experience after one-year of ownership, the Velotric is moving my needle more in this segment comparison. Better color choices on Velotic, better rear turn signals on Velotric (another surprise since my Aventure2 has great rear turn signals). Higher speed with throttle on Velotric, and a higher rated rear hub motor with 75 nm. I think I prefer the tires on Aventon, since I already have a fat tire bike and I want to try something with a bit less rolling resistence, and the Aventon tire showed better braking. Seat on Velotric looks to be more padded. Price of both brands is the same. This is a hard choice to make, as things stand right now. I have a very good relationship with the bike shop where I bought the Aventon. I wonder if Aventon plans an upgrade soon. 🤔 I have to think they would narrow the gaps in this review, or even pull ahead. (why does the close-up image comparison of tires @4:10 look narrower for the Velotric, Scott? I expected them to be a hair wider from the tire specs in your graphics. The Aventon is the one with quick-release wheel, right? Are my eyes at fault on tire width? It must be an optical illusion.) Sorry about the long post, I was trying to keep things straight in my head while watching the video.
One tire is slightly wider than the other tire but they are the same tread. Plus, I think I might have been closer to one that the other. Yes, the quick release is on the Aventon. I understand the hard choice here. At the end of the video, even I don't know which one I would choose. I am just glad I have them both. I wish you luck on your decision.
What has been everyone's experience with distance? I watched Scott's comparison between the Discover 2 and the Level 2 which indicated (at 6:15 of the review) that both achieved about 30 miles over about 2 hours at about 13 MPH. I was surprised at how low those numbers were since both manufacturers indicate double those amounts. I understand the advertised distance is like advertised MPG for a car so I am interested in everyone's updated real world experience. Thanks
The reasons my numbers are so low is because I push them hard during my reviews. Hill climbing with them, brake tests at top speed, sand test. All of this affect the battery and the distance it can do. If you were to ride it normally, these bikes would go much farther.
I've commented many times that I had a horrible horrible experience with Velotric with my Discover 1 that has turned me off to them forever. This being said the actual Discover 2 bike IS a great bike, but I couldn't possibly leave my Level.2 for it. I am nearing 2,500 miles on my Level.2 since May of 2023 and it has shown absolutely zero signs of wearing out, whereas my original Discover 1 failed entirely after 6 months. I am happy Velotric is making upgrades, but honestly I feel like a lot of these are just, "catching up" to other brands, specifically Aventon. I have no clue if the Level.3 is slated for this year, but I am really excited for a Level.3 model rather than to switch brands.
Did Velotric have the 2 year warranty at the time of your purchase of the Discover 1? were your problems not covered? I have not seen your original post. sounds painful though.
This would be a no-brainer for me if the discovery 2 had a step over version. I know e-bike companies are trying to erase the stigma of step through bikes being girl bikes, but the stigma is still there. Step throughs seem to sell more, but they should definitely keep the high step options. Great review
@@forgetyourlife Exactly! As a man i would much rather a step through because it makes it easier to stand during stops. It makes it easier to get on and off the bike.
Thanks for the video! I haven’t had a chance to test ride either of these yet. How do you feel about the different handle bar positions? I typically like the straight across bars rather than the swept back cruiser style, but everything I’m seeing about the discover 2 aside from the handle bars makes me think that it’s the bike for me. I’m just wondering about those bars. Would love your thoughts.
Scott, do you plan to attend The Electrify Expo in Long Beach on June 1 and 2??? E-Cells E-bikes and Owner David Cleveland will be there in Booth 806. A chance to meet David, ask questions, and Test Ride E-Cells full line of E-bikes. Have Fun at The Expo!!
I do not plan on going to the Expo. Due to Chicago weather (seems rain every other day), I have a backlog of bikes in my storage unit that I need to review. That's enough to keep me busy for awhile. I have heard good things about E-Cells and I hope one day to get to review them.
Part of the reason I bought a Level 2 is that it has the mounting holes for a Topeak rack, and it looks like it has them on both the step-over and step-through. The Velotric doesn't appear to have them at all and it looks like its rack mounts to the fender. It looks awesome otherwise but that would make it a no-go for me.
@@scotthardesty Probably would have gotten something like that if I was shopping new, but I already had the rack on my old bike and it was so easy to just swap it over. Plus it's the rack for the baby seat, so I'm not sure if it even works with the adapter
I didn't think of that! He is! But Dan has neck issues so the riding stance on the Level 2 affects how he feels after riding. Since the D2 has that adjustable stem, I was able to get him into the position that best suits him for riding. I do like where your head is at and I think I might make him switch for a hot minute on the next comparison video.
A dealgreaker for me because I ride on the beach. The Velotric has carbon steel spokes that will eventually rust. The Aventon has stainless steel spokes. Unfortunately, I'm too tall for the Aventon.
Damn... I was stuck on getting the Level² .. Now, obviously, I need to get the Discover2.. Kinda sucks because the Level² includes a free 2nd battery. & I liked the Level's blue color more than the Discover's mint color..
I know I'm going to kick myself when Aventon finally comes out with a Level 3 that has 750 W and turn signals, but with the Discover 2 on back order and the nearest Velotric dealer more than 35 miles from me, I'm going to get an Aventon Level 2. My local bike shop has them in stock and they service what they sell. Haha, buyer's remorse in advance....
When you did your range test--were you pedaling or strictly throttle? With their batteries being nearly identical, it seems like the velotric would pay a penalty with the bigger motor.
I was pedaling. There is something about how their torque sensor and motor is setup which works really well giving it good distance compared with other models.
Great Video Scott, very informative. Quick question? When you did the Range / Mileage test, were you in ECO Mode ? and what Pedal assist were you in? Velotric claims range of 75-mile. What am I missing? I see you averaged just 12mph. Thanks and keep up the good work !!
@@edwardragsdale1730 I think in the review video on that bike I talk about the modes I was traveling in. I review a lot of bikes so I don't remember exactly. Maybe my Discover 2 review will tell you. I am normally riding in a mode that is comfortable for me and will vary during the review. None of the bikes that I have tested have gotten even close to the stated mileage. Those claimed miles are done with a 160lb rider, on flat land, no wind, and in the lowest PAS available. At 225lbs, plus camera equipment, hills, wind, and top speed, I am lucky to get 1/2 that mileage. The only bike that has even came CLOSE to the mileage stated was the Aventon Ramblas. They claimed 60 miles in Trail mode and I got 51. I do believe it would hit the 60 miles but it was extremely windy and I put about 12-15 miles on it in Turbo mode.
Can anyone update this information? I really need more than the 30 miles Scott achieved in his test. Unfortunately, Scott's review does not state the mode or power level he was using.
@@stangrubman8257 I have the level 2. I’m a big guy, and after a 28-mile ride (minimal throttle-only, pedal assist on lowest level) I had 68% batt remaining.
Why don't you compare the level two with the Mokwheel Asphalt? So many have reviewed the asphalt with surprising results! It looks and performs as well if not better than these two bikes.
I have not received a Mokwheel Asphalt yet. So I can't do a comparison video on a bike I haven't reviewed. I highly doubt it has all the features the Discover 2 does.
@@scotthardesty There are many review sites that show how much better the Mocwheel performs against the Discover 1 and 2. I won't mention those sites unless you want me to. All who have reviewed the Asphalt had nothing but praise and surprise as to how well it performed. I won't touch the Discover 2 or Level 2. Over rate and over priced. By NO WAY am I saying they're bad bikes! Just that they don't live up to their hype. I'm not pushing the Asphalt as the one and all bike. I'm just saying that I've done a lot of homework on this bike and by all means I've yet to see a bad review on it as well as its performance vs these two bikes. Price is less too, but I'm not looking for a low priced bike. I'm looking for a bike that can climb hills and doesn't have front shock absorber problems like the level 2 and a problem climbing hills with a 750watt motor like the Discover 2 does. The asphalt has a 500watt motor and everyone who reviews it is shocked by how easy it tackles hills. Please get a hold of the Asphalt and let us know what you think of it. Not being a troll. Just very passionate about bikes that are underrated because they're not recognized brands. Again, I'll furnish the sites that are well known sites if you need proof of what I'm saying. Love your review of these bikes. You do a great job of unveiling the nuts and bolts of these ebikes. Much appreciated! Keep up the great work!
@@scidhumouse1007 I am familiar with MOKWHEEL. The Scoria was my #1 utility ebike for quite a while. I also just reviewed the Mokwheel Slate and its a very good bike as well. I appreciate the passion you have and I totally understand it. I am also passionate about bikes as well. I will reach out to Mokwheel to see if they will send the Asphalt to review. I don't need to see other reviews on the bike as I feel I have a very thorough way of testing out these bikes and like to make my own opinion. If it's better than these two, I will have no issues saying so. Thanks for your input!
Yes I am interested in the Discover 2 but I live in Germany. I'm American yes The computer if possible English and German language. Is that possible? And how much does it cost?
Holy moly I never heard of that velotric bike I feel dumb now, I got the adventure 2 but now I see that the velotric is basically aventure 2 stats for cheaper and skinny tires I kinda feel dumb on my purchase now
I love my Aventure 2! They have a version of the Aventure called the Nomad. I believe their Nomad 2 will be coming out in the next few months. The Aventure 2 is my all time favorite fat tire bike.
There are bikes out there right now that will give you more than 2400w, with a top speed of 40+mph, and for only $2,000, so I'm not sure why anybody would buy anything else! The bigger the brand, the more unlikely they are to offer you the kind of power that I mentioned above, but doing so really makes a companies offering stand out amongst the competition!
One of the local bike shops near me sells Velotric, and has a large red Discover 2 coming in on Wednesday, so that’s what I’m getting. The two shops (of three in town) won’t do much work to e-bikes you buy online, which doesn’t bode well for Aventon or Rad Power service here. The one that sells Velotric said they used sell Aventon, but stopped when they noticed quality control issues. It’s hard to know what to believe, since the numbers of e-bikes here are very low. I was able to get on the D2 and think I’ll really like it. I was seriously considering an Aventon Aventure.2 because they are now $200 off and are giving a free second battery, but if I can’t get it worked on, what’s the point?
Not having a belt is a deal breaker for me because Im not a sadist that enjoys cleaning greasy bike chains. But id go with the Discover over the Level because of the bigger motor and handle bars.
@@scotthardesty My ebike weighs only 50 lbs and 62 lbs with battery. I have got ebike going 30 mph on a flat parking lot. Very light and agile. See they put the weight in the battery not the bike. Very smart move. Now our light bike goes much further due to a larger battery. Also has torque sensor. By the way it was about $300.00 less.
I'd researched the daylights out of e-bikes and Velotric didn't even show up anywhere, settled on a Aventon Level 2 for the 18 yo granddaughter. Local dealer, she picked the SO in the Blue. I may have more miles on it that she does. The Level 2 works well for me quite well, not having to kill myself on steep grades is a God sent, one heart attack was enough. I'd get one for myself but then I'd need to buy another for #2 granddaughter., then what to do with our Specialized bikes.
My primitive brain can’t get past the “girl bike” look of these bikes. I wish I would grow up and get over it, but I simply like a step over. Also helps with transport and locking options.
I swear to god you read minds! These are two bikes I’ve narrowed it down to (thanks to you since I get a sense of what they’d be like to own in Chicago!)
And now this is the perfect video to help me make a decision between the two.
Clutch as always, Scott!
Glad I could help!
I just bought the Aventon Level 2! I got an extra battery, a hefty chain lock, the bike in dark grey, and a phone mount for $1484! Unfortunately, both the Discover 2 and the Level 2 have increased to $1899, so the total for a Discover 2 with the same accessories is just under a whopping $2500! Times certainly are a-changing. Aventon still offers a free extra battery at the time of writing, and Velotroc offers $100 off the battery, so there's some consolation!
Thanks for the input!
Level 2 needs indicators
@@ozmozpot2 I bet the next version has them.
@@ozmozpot2 pace has them, so no reason why level shouldn't
I looked at the level bike before my last bike purchase. The deal breaker was the lack of stem mounting points for a front basket or rack on the level bike. I had also assumed that I would have to invest in a new adjustable stem for the handlebars because the riding position of my Aventon Adventure (stolen) was too far forward for comfortable commuting.
The Discover 2 is the best bike, for my purposes, that I have seen. Velotric really put a lot of thought into the design of their bikes
Thanks for your input!
Would have leaned towards the Discover 2 based on what I had seen/ heard before your comparison, but this only confirms that the Discover 2 offers quite a bit more for the same price.
Glad to help!
Is there any pro the level 2 has over the discover 2?? It seems Veloctric has them beat on every spec! Saw both at my local bike shop. Can view the screen on the veloctric even with polarized sunglasses. Was going to pull the trigger but learned the large sizes are all OOS rn and can't place an order. So went with original choice level 2, but will probably have serious FOMO when the discover is back in or a level 3 comes out 🤔
@@NavrajSimran should've waited on the Velotric
@@palmerfralickyou know what, couple days later canceled my Aventon order and placed one for the Veloctric at a different bike shop that was able to. Missed the cutoff for May delivery I guess, so now waiting patiently for some time in June!! Waited this long already, what's another month...
I would buy the one with the dealers closest to you b
I own both
Velotric all the way
Waiting on the high step version
I don't know if they will be coming out with a high step version of the Discover.
I had my mind set on the level 2 but this Discover has really impressed me in the last few days I've seen
The decision is tough. I know your struggle.
D2 for sure
@@blown9646 yeah there's a place right next to my office that deals and services them so it's pretty solid
Curiosity got the best of me. The wife and I went to our local bike shop this past Saturday and test rode the Discover 2… wow! Long story short two Discover 2’s are on their way! Not that I don’t love your videos but… I called Velotric after getting my order together online. I just bluntly but nicely asked for a discount code, and it was granted. A total of $180 off! The accessories are already discounted 30% if you buy 3 so we outfitted ourselves with brand new gear. Two Discover 2’s, two suspension seat posts, new phone holders, mirrors, water cages and bottles, expandable panniers , shipped …. $4200. The only thing we didn’t replace were our helmets and seats. 😂
I have not reviewed a nicer commuter ebike than the Discover 2. You made a good choice! The seats on the Discover 2 is excellent, you wont need to switch it out and it sounds like you will be all set!
Scott one of the best reviews you have done. We personally like the Aventon because of the dealer network. You can go to your bike shop and test ridev
Thanks Doug. I understand about the dealer network. Velotric is expanding their dealership network as well but they are not where Aventon is at this moment in time.
Sir, I inherited a lectric 2.0 about 15 months ago and at first thought it was a novelty. I began to commute to work everyday, but because it has cable brakes I'm getting it serviced every six weeks. I got curios about the quality bikes, saw the Aventon... and I'm glad I found your video before I pulled the purchase trigger. The hill comparison alone sold me the Discover 2! (wife said mint was my personality color) 😁
Nice. I am glad I was able to get you the info needed to make the best decision for you. Thanks for watching!
I would choose the Aventon. Batteries are dependable in the long run, service is awesome. Haven't personally tried the Discovery 2. Great review!
Thanks for sharing!
@@scotthardesty Definitely
The Aventon is now available in "glacier," kind of a minty-blue. I like the fact that the battery on the velotric is mounted on the top of the tube, which seems like it's less susceptible to road crap. Then again--might make it more vulnerable to rain. I like the reflective tires too. those are super bright at night.
I saw where Aventon was coming out with cool colors to a few of their bikes!
I have owned a Level 2 for about 1 year and I love it. I wish it had turn signals and a more powerful motor for climbing San Francisco hills.
I rented the Discover 2 for a week on Cape Cod and I loved it a bit more because it has integrated turn signals; a more powerful motor; and the throttle can be unlocked to 30mph.
The torque sensor in the Level 2 is more responsive than the Discover torque sensor, which has a lag.
I've added or changed on my Level 2 the following: added a suspension seat; changed the handlebar grips; added a mirror, bell, handlebar riser with phone mount and headlight, and turn signals. Also added a Topeak front rack. I bought the Level2 thru a local Aventon dealer who is giving me 2 free tuneups during the 2 year warranty period. I replaced my rear brake pads after 1 year because they had worn out.
I bet when they come out with the Level 3 it will be awesome. Thanks for sharing!
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I’m an Aventon Level 1 owner but Velotric is actually killing it with this new model.
They really are. I was pleasantly surprised! Luckily, my wife snagged my Discover 2 so I will be riding the Level 2. I am happy either way.
@@scotthardesty you’re funny dude lol gotta love your honest opinions.
@@scotthardesty a few months later-which do you prefer?
The bike shop I bought my bike from had Aventon and Velotric among other choices. I was unsure, but somehow the Velotric seemed better. So I bought it. This video shows that my suspicions were confirmed.
Glad to help!
Without test riding both?
Since we have real hills in North Atlanta that hill race with throttle only is the absolute deal killer for the Aventon. Thru axel is also another point for Velotric is you ever need to update the forks on a 27.5 wheel.
I bet real hills would kill them both throttle only.
We say the Level.2 😉
As you should!
I have an Aventure2, and am looking to add a 2nd bike that's better for me on pavement. With fat tires' rolling resistance, I'm unable to ride it even on flat roads without some pedal assistance. That consumes battery range, even though I do like the softer ride with wide tires.
I hope you have an update planned soon on the Level2, and keep the price the same.
This definitely helped me decide on the Velotric
Glad to help!
Something to note with the Level 2 is that it now comes in Clay (dark blue) and Shale (dark grey) as well
I saw that. Great new colors.
Everyone make sure to look up your local laws on e-bikes. the fact these have throttles classifies them as class 2 vehicles which are sometimes illegal to ride on trails.
Good advice.
Velotric should make a step-over version. Then I would consider it. The Aventon step-over is a beautifully finished bike.
I love a good step over.
Once you go step thru, u dont go back.
Please explain more. I'm torn between SO and ST. Is there any advantage to a ST? SO looks cooler to me.
Is the frame strength between the two an issue? I have good hip mobility so I think swinging my leg over shouldn't be a problem. I don't have any image issues with a SO being for males and ST for females. I consider that old thinking. Can anyone weigh in on pros/cons ?
@@k.interneto272 I’ve heard that those who have step-through won’t go back to SO bikes. I like to trail ride so the added strength of a SO suits me. Although, street riding and tame dirt trails should be no problem with a ST. The top bar seems to help maneuvering through tide trail corners by using leg pressure on it. Either way, these bikes a great fun.
@@k.interneto272 ST provides a sturdier frame and puts less pressure on the low point of the 'V' shape in a SO.
I have a Discover 1 for my wife and she really enjoys it. The main selling point is the higher weight capacity and the UL certified battery. They did have a step-over for the Discover 1, but I'm guessing it didn't sell as well. Given it is built like a tank, you probably don't need it. I like the improvements they made to the Discover 2.
Thanks for commenting! The D1 is still a great bike.
I think both brands are well-made and you can’t go wrong with either. I have the discover1 and I know a lot of people ride Aventon in my area. Great review!
Totally agree! Thank you!
I originally bought a Discover 1 last year before the torque sensor was introduced by Aventon. Thinking I may want to trade up in the future, I test rode both the level 2 and the adventure 2 recently. The Aventon dealer wanted to charge an additional $200 over retail for assembling the Bike. My Velotric dealer sells for the same price as the website. After watching reviews of the Discover 2, I will hands down go Velotric over Aventon. Dealer location and customer service in this case wins out.
You are lucky to have an Aventon and Velotric dealership near you.
Trust me, as someone who owns 2 velotric and 2 aventon, aventon is not a 'step up'
The buttressing on the Aventon lower frame looks much sturdier on their step-through than on Velotric. Makes me wonder if Aventon is under-stating its capacity. I do know first-hand their weld quality is 2nd to none in the industry. I'm also surprised the Aventon large frame doesn't accommodate riders as tall as Velotec does (I'm 6'5"), but maybe the seat post length on Aventon is limited by the frame buttressing.
Although I have an Aventone Aventure2, and give it 100% positive rating in my experience after one-year of ownership, the Velotric is moving my needle more in this segment comparison. Better color choices on Velotic, better rear turn signals on Velotric (another surprise since my Aventure2 has great rear turn signals). Higher speed with throttle on Velotric, and a higher rated rear hub motor with 75 nm. I think I prefer the tires on Aventon, since I already have a fat tire bike and I want to try something with a bit less rolling resistence, and the Aventon tire showed better braking. Seat on Velotric looks to be more padded. Price of both brands is the same.
This is a hard choice to make, as things stand right now. I have a very good relationship with the bike shop where I bought the Aventon. I wonder if Aventon plans an upgrade soon. 🤔
I have to think they would narrow the gaps in this review, or even pull ahead.
(why does the close-up image comparison of tires @4:10 look narrower for the Velotric, Scott? I expected them to be a hair wider from the tire specs in your graphics. The Aventon is the one with quick-release wheel, right? Are my eyes at fault on tire width? It must be an optical illusion.)
Sorry about the long post, I was trying to keep things straight in my head while watching the video.
One tire is slightly wider than the other tire but they are the same tread. Plus, I think I might have been closer to one that the other. Yes, the quick release is on the Aventon.
I understand the hard choice here. At the end of the video, even I don't know which one I would choose. I am just glad I have them both.
I wish you luck on your decision.
Previous Aventon owner here. I will NOT buy another bike that’s limited to 20mph on throttle. On the road, that’s not safe!
I understand that it could be an issue. Although, I have not had an issue living here in Chicago. I just pedal if I want to go faster than 20mph.
Velotric Discover 2 is totally awesome with way more features.
Yeah, especially after this newest update where it can bounce between cadence and torque sensors.
What has been everyone's experience with distance? I watched Scott's comparison between the Discover 2 and the Level 2 which indicated (at 6:15 of the review) that both achieved about 30 miles over about 2 hours at about 13 MPH. I was surprised at how low those numbers were since both manufacturers indicate double those amounts. I understand the advertised distance is like advertised MPG for a car so I am interested in everyone's updated real world experience. Thanks
The reasons my numbers are so low is because I push them hard during my reviews. Hill climbing with them, brake tests at top speed, sand test. All of this affect the battery and the distance it can do. If you were to ride it normally, these bikes would go much farther.
@@scotthardesty Hi Scott -Thanks for the additional information. GREAT video on the comparison between the bikes.
Scott, the VanPowers UrbanGlide Pro really needs to be added to this comparison. It is a serious contender and great quality bike.
I never reviewed the Pro. They sent me the standard version and it was standard at best.
Very good comparison. I actually own one of each. Love them both!
Right?! They each have something about them to where I feel there is no winner or loser when it comes to either of these bikes.
Another great comparison video
Thanks Mike. I appreciate you!
Im 6'2". Test drove both. The Aventon Level 2 is not a good fit for 6'2".
So, Discover 2, Aima Santa Monica, or Ride1up Prodigy V2 with middrive.
Thanks for the input!
I've commented many times that I had a horrible horrible experience with Velotric with my Discover 1 that has turned me off to them forever. This being said the actual Discover 2 bike IS a great bike, but I couldn't possibly leave my Level.2 for it. I am nearing 2,500 miles on my Level.2 since May of 2023 and it has shown absolutely zero signs of wearing out, whereas my original Discover 1 failed entirely after 6 months.
I am happy Velotric is making upgrades, but honestly I feel like a lot of these are just, "catching up" to other brands, specifically Aventon. I have no clue if the Level.3 is slated for this year, but I am really excited for a Level.3 model rather than to switch brands.
I would love to see a Level 3. With this new motor they designed for the Ramblas, I am hoping they add it to the Level.
Did Velotric have the 2 year warranty at the time of your purchase of the Discover 1? were your problems not covered? I have not seen your original post. sounds painful though.
What was your experience? I’ve seen some very unhappy Velotric customers online.
This would be a no-brainer for me if the discovery 2 had a step over version. I know e-bike companies are trying to erase the stigma of step through bikes being girl bikes, but the stigma is still there. Step throughs seem to sell more, but they should definitely keep the high step options. Great review
I understand the stigma as well. I have to say, step thru's definitely make it easier to get on and off, and for many, that is what is needed.
Only known as “girls bike” here in the USA. The rest of the world has called them step through for 50 years.
@@forgetyourlife Exactly! As a man i would much rather a step through because it makes it easier to stand during stops. It makes it easier to get on and off the bike.
Thanks for the video! I haven’t had a chance to test ride either of these yet. How do you feel about the different handle bar positions? I typically like the straight across bars rather than the swept back cruiser style, but everything I’m seeing about the discover 2 aside from the handle bars makes me think that it’s the bike for me. I’m just wondering about those bars. Would love your thoughts.
I don't really notice the angle of bars. They both ride different. You could always get straighter bars pretty easily if you didn't like those.
Yep change the bar of choice, easy fix
Scott, do you plan to attend The Electrify Expo in Long Beach on June 1 and 2???
E-Cells E-bikes and Owner David Cleveland will be there in Booth 806. A chance to meet David, ask questions, and Test Ride E-Cells full line of E-bikes.
Have Fun at The Expo!!
I do not plan on going to the Expo. Due to Chicago weather (seems rain every other day), I have a backlog of bikes in my storage unit that I need to review. That's enough to keep me busy for awhile. I have heard good things about E-Cells and I hope one day to get to review them.
Part of the reason I bought a Level 2 is that it has the mounting holes for a Topeak rack, and it looks like it has them on both the step-over and step-through. The Velotric doesn't appear to have them at all and it looks like its rack mounts to the fender. It looks awesome otherwise but that would make it a no-go for me.
I totally understand. Although, there is a Topeak adapter that can connect to any rack.
@@scotthardesty Probably would have gotten something like that if I was shopping new, but I already had the rack on my old bike and it was so easy to just swap it over. Plus it's the rack for the baby seat, so I'm not sure if it even works with the adapter
@@mizatt Ah, I understand.
I really wish you would’ve added the Ride1up L’td V2 to this comparison. That’s the bike I’m leaning to.
Sorry. I don't have that bike and I have never reviewed it. So I can't talk about something I haven't tested.
If the level 2 had a 750 watt motor, it would've been the perfect commuter bike.
I feel like they are going to do that with the Level3
Now try it with Dan on the A2. Dan looks to be 75 lbs lighter. ;)
I didn't think of that! He is! But Dan has neck issues so the riding stance on the Level 2 affects how he feels after riding. Since the D2 has that adjustable stem, I was able to get him into the position that best suits him for riding. I do like where your head is at and I think I might make him switch for a hot minute on the next comparison video.
I would be interested in seeing how the Lectric Xpress compares to these 2 bikes.
Lectric would have to send me one for me to compare.
A dealgreaker for me because I ride on the beach. The Velotric has carbon steel spokes that will eventually rust. The Aventon has stainless steel spokes. Unfortunately, I'm too tall for the Aventon.
Interesting. I didn't know. Thanks for the input.
Velotric for the win!
You really can't lose with either one of these bikes. What was it that had you vote for the D2
@@scotthardesty cruise control
Level 2 comes with a free second battery. If that’s something you want, saves $500
Good point.
Damn... I was stuck on getting the Level²
.. Now, obviously, I need to get the Discover2..
Kinda sucks because the Level² includes a free 2nd battery. & I liked the Level's blue color more than the Discover's mint color..
You will enjoy the Level 2 as well!
I know I'm going to kick myself when Aventon finally comes out with a Level 3 that has 750 W and turn signals, but with the Discover 2 on back order and the nearest Velotric dealer more than 35 miles from me, I'm going to get an Aventon Level 2. My local bike shop has them in stock and they service what they sell. Haha, buyer's remorse in advance....
hahaha. You can't lose with either of these bikes.
Great review, if you click on the velotric link you get an error message, link malformed?
They sent me a bad link. Thanks for letting me know! I fixed it. velotricebike.pxf.io/nLQPRX
When you did your range test--were you pedaling or strictly throttle? With their batteries being nearly identical, it seems like the velotric would pay a penalty with the bigger motor.
I was pedaling. There is something about how their torque sensor and motor is setup which works really well giving it good distance compared with other models.
Great Video Scott, very informative. Quick question? When you did the Range / Mileage test, were you in ECO Mode ? and what Pedal assist were you in? Velotric claims range of 75-mile. What am I missing? I see you averaged just 12mph. Thanks and keep up the good work !!
@@edwardragsdale1730 I think in the review video on that bike I talk about the modes I was traveling in. I review a lot of bikes so I don't remember exactly. Maybe my Discover 2 review will tell you. I am normally riding in a mode that is comfortable for me and will vary during the review. None of the bikes that I have tested have gotten even close to the stated mileage. Those claimed miles are done with a 160lb rider, on flat land, no wind, and in the lowest PAS available. At 225lbs, plus camera equipment, hills, wind, and top speed, I am lucky to get 1/2 that mileage.
The only bike that has even came CLOSE to the mileage stated was the Aventon Ramblas. They claimed 60 miles in Trail mode and I got 51. I do believe it would hit the 60 miles but it was extremely windy and I put about 12-15 miles on it in Turbo mode.
Can anyone update this information? I really need more than the 30 miles
Scott achieved in his test. Unfortunately, Scott's review does not state the mode or power level he was using.
@@stangrubman8257 I have the level 2. I’m a big guy, and after a 28-mile ride (minimal throttle-only, pedal assist on lowest level) I had 68% batt remaining.
I have a level 2 aventon..very good e bike...I wish it came with a horn...
I ended up upgrading the bell on mine to this. amzn.to/3XI6sQT
I'm sorry, I meant how many months or years the battery should last.
Thanks
Batteries last about 1,000 charges. They will last YEARS.
Why don't you compare the level two with the Mokwheel Asphalt? So many have reviewed the asphalt with surprising results! It looks and performs as well if not better than these two bikes.
I have not received a Mokwheel Asphalt yet. So I can't do a comparison video on a bike I haven't reviewed. I highly doubt it has all the features the Discover 2 does.
@@scotthardesty There are many review sites that show how much better the Mocwheel performs against the Discover 1 and 2. I won't mention those sites unless you want me to. All who have reviewed the Asphalt had nothing but praise and surprise as to how well it performed. I won't touch the Discover 2 or Level 2. Over rate and over priced. By NO WAY am I saying they're bad bikes! Just that they don't live up to their hype. I'm not pushing the Asphalt as the one and all bike. I'm just saying that I've done a lot of homework on this bike and by all means I've yet to see a bad review on it as well as its performance vs these two bikes. Price is less too, but I'm not looking for a low priced bike. I'm looking for a bike that can climb hills and doesn't have front shock absorber problems like the level 2 and a problem climbing hills with a 750watt motor like the Discover 2 does. The asphalt has a 500watt motor and everyone who reviews it is shocked by how easy it tackles hills.
Please get a hold of the Asphalt and let us know what you think of it. Not being a troll. Just very passionate about bikes that are underrated because they're not recognized brands. Again, I'll furnish the sites that are well known sites if you need proof of what I'm saying. Love your review of these bikes. You do a great job of unveiling the nuts and bolts of these ebikes. Much appreciated! Keep up the great work!
@@scidhumouse1007 I am familiar with MOKWHEEL. The Scoria was my #1 utility ebike for quite a while. I also just reviewed the Mokwheel Slate and its a very good bike as well. I appreciate the passion you have and I totally understand it. I am also passionate about bikes as well. I will reach out to Mokwheel to see if they will send the Asphalt to review. I don't need to see other reviews on the bike as I feel I have a very thorough way of testing out these bikes and like to make my own opinion. If it's better than these two, I will have no issues saying so. Thanks for your input!
Are you able to do something that will talk about customer support? I like Aventon's customer support but I know nothing about Velotric's.
I have had a couple of dealings with Aventon's and Velotric's tech support. I have been fortunate to not have any issues with either one of them.
I have two Velotric Nomads and had an issue with one of the controllers. Customer service was phenomenal. Extremely responsive.
Yes I am interested in the Discover 2 but I live in Germany. I'm American yes The computer if possible English and German language. Is that possible? And how much does it cost?
You would need to contact Velotric directly.
Velotric wins!
Boom
Scott, would you use the Aventure.2 for commuting or is the Level 2 the way to go? (thank you!)
I've got what you are looking for. th-cam.com/video/UEPd_Kq0nWQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yivQPOq0LuQniH0y
@@scotthardesty Thanks much! I watched
Holy moly I never heard of that velotric bike I feel dumb now, I got the adventure 2 but now I see that the velotric is basically aventure 2 stats for cheaper and skinny tires I kinda feel dumb on my purchase now
I love my Aventure 2! They have a version of the Aventure called the Nomad. I believe their Nomad 2 will be coming out in the next few months. The Aventure 2 is my all time favorite fat tire bike.
Don't feel dumb. It just barely came out. Of course you would not know about it.
There are bikes out there right now that will give you more than 2400w, with a top speed of 40+mph, and for only $2,000, so I'm not sure why anybody would buy anything else! The bigger the brand, the more unlikely they are to offer you the kind of power that I mentioned above, but doing so really makes a companies offering stand out amongst the competition!
Thanks for the input.
Do they look like mopeds or bikes? Any names you can mention?
@@Mj17867 both, the Wired freedom and e-cells new five star
Thanks
I think that if you go over 750 W it’s not really considered an eBike anymore
Which one has the best inferstructure for repairs and parts .
Aventon has more authorized repair facilities than Velotric. I have been fortunate to have a local bike shop that works on all the bikes I review.
I bought the Velotric. Bad idea.
How so? I know a lot of people that love their Velotric.
One of the local bike shops near me sells Velotric, and has a large red Discover 2 coming in on Wednesday, so that’s what I’m getting.
The two shops (of three in town) won’t do much work to e-bikes you buy online, which doesn’t bode well for Aventon or Rad Power service here. The one that sells Velotric said they used sell Aventon, but stopped when they noticed quality control issues. It’s hard to know what to believe, since the numbers of e-bikes here are very low.
I was able to get on the D2 and think I’ll really like it. I was seriously considering an Aventon Aventure.2 because they are now $200 off and are giving a free second battery, but if I can’t get it worked on, what’s the point?
Getting these bikes serviced is definitely something to consider when getting an ebike. I would go with the D2 since you can get it serviced.
How long will the battery last
I'm pretty sure I say how far I rode on each battery. If not, look at the full review of the bike you are wondering about.
Not having a belt is a deal breaker for me because Im not a sadist that enjoys cleaning greasy bike chains. But id go with the Discover over the Level because of the bigger motor and handle bars.
I haven't reviewed a belt drive yet but I am sure I will someday.
what kind of grease do you put on your chain?
@@palmerfralick sounds like 10-40 motor oil has been their choice 😂
Cleaning a chain is about as hard as flossing
@@d62347 ya when u do a halfassed version of cleaning and lubing it up, lol.
Discover 2 is to heavy and will be a drain on the battery. Not to mention the 750 w motor. They should have provided a bigger battery for Discover 2
All e-bikes are heavy and drain the battery. Although you are correct about having a bigger battery, that would only make it heavier.
@@scotthardesty My ebike weighs only 50 lbs and 62 lbs with battery. I have got ebike going 30 mph on a flat parking lot. Very light and agile. See they put the weight in the battery not the bike. Very smart move. Now our light bike goes much further due to a larger battery. Also has torque sensor. By the way it was about $300.00 less.
@@honestnewsnet Sounds like you found the bike for you, which is awesome! I love it when people buy a bike that the are happy with.
Aventon is prettier. I won't lie, it might be enough to sway me.
Sometimes, that's all it takes.
I'd researched the daylights out of e-bikes and Velotric didn't even show up anywhere, settled on a Aventon Level 2 for the 18 yo granddaughter. Local dealer, she picked the SO in the Blue. I may have more miles on it that she does. The Level 2 works well for me quite well, not having to kill myself on steep grades is a God sent, one heart attack was enough. I'd get one for myself but then I'd need to buy another for #2 granddaughter., then what to do with our Specialized bikes.
@@user-zc1hp2qn4f Sorry you didn't find this video sooner but the Level 2 is a great bike.
My primitive brain can’t get past the “girl bike” look of these bikes. I wish I would grow up and get over it, but I simply like a step over. Also helps with transport and locking options.
I get it, luckily, I have ridden enough of these and seen many men on them that I have gotten over it.
Both really good but dang dats sum fat coin
You can't lose with either of them.
Those are actually on the lower to middle end pricing for ebikes. Go look at $3000-5,000 Specialized ebikes if u want some morbidly obese fat coins
@@srobeck77 I have a 6k Giant eMTB. Thats the most coin I want to spend on a bike.
Aventon has fallen behind here.
They always catch up and normally surpass.
Although it does accelerate and brake better than the D2!