Hey all, thanks so much for watching! I know I'm a little late on this topic, but I hope this adds something to the discussion nonetheless. I just started this channel a couple months ago, and this is one of my first real video essays, so any tips, advice, criticisms, etc. would be very appreciated! And a subscribe, of course ;) ANyways let me know what you think about the Orc Families, my take in this video, or any other thoughts you have in the comments below, and I'll look forward to reading them all!
This whole show was such a mess. They had so much potential to tell a story Tolkien basically already wrote, a literal BILLION DOLLARS per season, and they completely botched it. I hope this show ends after this season
Displaying hunger and identifying a source of nutrition is not humanizing; every form of animal life on Earth would be humanized by that metric. "If they're not brainlessly evil, they must be humanized" is a wildly inaccurate take.
Exactly, in the scene were they complain about being hungry they literally cannibalise one their own with glee ripping him apart like a pack 9f wild dogs... and the OP thinks thats "humanising" 😂😂😂😂
Hey thanks for the comment! And honestly, yeah, I do. There have been plenty of cannibalistic human cultures throughout history, so that isn’t a non-human thing to do, it’s just an evil thing that humans do. The point I’m trying to make in this video, and that I think Tolkien is trying to make with the Orcs, is that the Orcs show us the worst side of humanity, and what we’re capable of doing when we give ourselves over to evil ideas or evil leaders. And I also don’t think humanized is the same thing as sympathetic or relatable. I would never sympathize with Auschwitz guards, but they were obviously human, and everything they did was well within the realm of human action, because they were humans who acted the way they did. Thats why at the end of the video, I said that the point of the Orcs isn’t to give us sympathetic villains, it’s to show us what we can be at our worst if we aren’t careful
@@FantasyMugi disagree Tolkien specifically says that the orcs are meant to represent pure evil, they aren't individuals or "people" they aren't doing it because they've been treated badly or mislead etc they have no empathy even for their own kind... I get you want to defend rings of power but this argument is just nonsense
@@FantasyMug also how does the fact that there have been humans cannibals make being a cannibal a "humanising trait" ??? Lool youre really reaching dude
If you are referring to Bandobras "Bullroarer" Took, he fought against a band of orc at the Battle of Greenfield where the orc warband had invaded hobbit lands
That’s actually a really awesome question and I don’t know the answer for sure. Pure speculation, I would think there aren’t any other corrupted Hobbits, because the Hobbits branched off from humans after Melkor was gone, and humans in general weren’t really the target of his corruption. It was time with the ring that left Gollum the way he was, so I’m not entirely sure that’s the same thing as the orcs, though still similar in that it was influence from evil. Like I said though, that’s pure speculation on my part
Hey all, thanks so much for watching! I know I'm a little late on this topic, but I hope this adds something to the discussion nonetheless. I just started this channel a couple months ago, and this is one of my first real video essays, so any tips, advice, criticisms, etc. would be very appreciated! And a subscribe, of course ;) ANyways let me know what you think about the Orc Families, my take in this video, or any other thoughts you have in the comments below, and I'll look forward to reading them all!
This whole show was such a mess. They had so much potential to tell a story Tolkien basically already wrote, a literal BILLION DOLLARS per season, and they completely botched it. I hope this show ends after this season
Guarantee the price was inflated, probably a money laundering sceme
"Perfect, ageless elves... the pinacles of beauty, truth and good"
Feanor: allow me to introduce myself
“Everybody’s immortal ‘till they get hit in the face by Gothmog”
Normally I'm all for adding new ideas to older works, but this one was a miss...
VERY nice analysis, all the way through to the end and how we as the human race can see lessons for our own lives within the races of Middle Earth.
Displaying hunger and identifying a source of nutrition is not humanizing; every form of animal life on Earth would be humanized by that metric. "If they're not brainlessly evil, they must be humanized" is a wildly inaccurate take.
Exactly, in the scene were they complain about being hungry they literally cannibalise one their own with glee ripping him apart like a pack 9f wild dogs... and the OP thinks thats "humanising" 😂😂😂😂
Hey thanks for the comment! And honestly, yeah, I do. There have been plenty of cannibalistic human cultures throughout history, so that isn’t a non-human thing to do, it’s just an evil thing that humans do. The point I’m trying to make in this video, and that I think Tolkien is trying to make with the Orcs, is that the Orcs show us the worst side of humanity, and what we’re capable of doing when we give ourselves over to evil ideas or evil leaders. And I also don’t think humanized is the same thing as sympathetic or relatable. I would never sympathize with Auschwitz guards, but they were obviously human, and everything they did was well within the realm of human action, because they were humans who acted the way they did. Thats why at the end of the video, I said that the point of the Orcs isn’t to give us sympathetic villains, it’s to show us what we can be at our worst if we aren’t careful
@@FantasyMugi disagree Tolkien specifically says that the orcs are meant to represent pure evil, they aren't individuals or "people" they aren't doing it because they've been treated badly or mislead etc they have no empathy even for their own kind...
I get you want to defend rings of power but this argument is just nonsense
@@FantasyMug also how does the fact that there have been humans cannibals make being a cannibal a "humanising trait" ???
Lool youre really reaching dude
Was there ever any corrupted hobbits besides gollum? They said Bilbo’s great great grandfather fought in war. Did some turn to evil?
If you are referring to Bandobras "Bullroarer" Took, he fought against a band of orc at the Battle of Greenfield where the orc warband had invaded hobbit lands
That’s actually a really awesome question and I don’t know the answer for sure. Pure speculation, I would think there aren’t any other corrupted Hobbits, because the Hobbits branched off from humans after Melkor was gone, and humans in general weren’t really the target of his corruption. It was time with the ring that left Gollum the way he was, so I’m not entirely sure that’s the same thing as the orcs, though still similar in that it was influence from evil. Like I said though, that’s pure speculation on my part