Thank you dave for giving abaddon the due he deserves. Im sick of all of these other people who talk about the lore trashing him. Do more choas lore please
@@MWG_DaveAngron. Embrace your love of the dark gods and share with us the tragic tale of the first berserker. Warped by the butcher's nails and denied by the Emperor of his desired fate. Truly a warrior worthy of your mention.
The Guilliman conversion is still using guilliman’s head it’s had some sculpting done to remove the laurel and his hair then replace by a more appropriate hair
After reading the Black Legion books by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Abaddon is one of my absolute FAVORITE characters in the W40K universe. Used to think he was nothing but a wannabe Horus with severe daddy issues, but the Black Legion books are rally good for giving him a LOT of context, and making me want to see him win the Long War. Made the mistake of reading those books BFEFORE starting Fall of Cadia, and now I find myself reading Fall of Cadia, and rooting for the Black Legion to decimate the planet.
That one with the glow in the helmet.. man that's good. And that cape, looks like real leather or some such. Epic paint job, how much does something like that cost? I want to paint now..
I think it's Saturday morning cartoon villain syndrome. He's the poster "big bad" for chaos, so he's described as if he is some ultimate threat but chaos are never the protagonists, and unlike with the Horus Heresy the current setting needs to maintain a high degree of "status quo" to allow room for the tabletop to feel believable and immersive. All this means Abaddon just ends up looking like an impotent loser and/or the 40k equivalent of an edgelord teen at school who claims all sorts of edgy nonsense but is at the end of the day just a kid. GW tried to fix this with the 13th dark crusade but the damage is done. Decades of being a joke can't be retconned away
@@Sara3346 Oh yeah. The best of the Luna Wolves, who spent the last 10k years fighting his way to a position of power, leading crusade after crusade. Totally unearned. Have you even read the Abaddon books?
@@dylonson4786 I mean on a metathematic scale. Surviving in the long war is impressive but not unique or even that noteworthy among chaos space marines as far as I can tell. Beating the horus clones is unique but feels like it relies on author fiat. It feels very obvious that he was written to be ''THE big bad, be afraid so scary such power much wow'' long before any actual consistency came into play in his portrayls My understanding is that dude didn't even want to lead what would become the black leigon and headed off to sulk for hundreds of years. Mind you I should give some credit where it is due I am impressed that he has remained as sane as he has and avoided becoming a chaos spawn Now the one very valid critique you have is that yes, I haven't read his books. I don't buy warhammer stuff because I am trying very hard not to go broke. I have been following this stuff for the last 15 years though, through author interviews, book reviews, G.W podcasts like Voxcast,et al, wayback machine access to their sites, exerpts, Lore videos here on youtube(I have several hundred saved to playlists) so I do think I have some small inkling of whats normal and not so normal in setting. Quite frankly, compared to figures Luft Huron/Huron Blackheart or even Warsmith Honsou I just don't find much compelling about his character. Maybe that is my fault for not seeking information on him out very much. Maybe it's my mental association with seeing the black leigon as ''chaos ultrmarines'' narrativley (yes I know, they are Luna Wolves + others) So, I tell you what. I'm not going to waste my limited funds on such books but I will try seeking out more information on this topic. If anything changes my mind on this character, you will likely be the first to know. Have a nice day :-)
@@MWG_Dave Fabius bile though. He has a clear vision in his New Men and I honestly hope they finally get models to go with the upcoming Emperors Childrens stuff. 🙂
No matter what you think about Abaddon, you can't deny that the man has a grit and a determination that can really inspire. Despite all the failures, dubious allies, and constant chaos infighting, he managed to push on through for millenia. We should all aspire to have such unshakable resilience and focus. He's undeniably a total POS, but one of the most impressive POS in fiction.
abaddon is genuinely one of the coolest characters in 40k, and imo, archaon/abaddon are key to their settings--the chosen one who in fact is not a "true believer" in the same was as many of their followers, for no true believer could WIELD chaos like they do.
I've always been curious about space marine peripheral vision. Do they just sense what's to the side and behind them? Is that explained in any of the lore?
Has this guy been single handedly convincing GW not to drop Abaddon with his purchases? Because something definitely is. Its the only sane explanation for 10k in lore years of utter stagnation from a faction supposedly called "Chaos". At this point Chaos practically have a hereditary monarchy in place....
**trigger warning** We're just going to pretend he isnt in or from scripture? Got it... usually the case lets be honest. Otherwise known as apollon or apollo....
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because he doesn't want to "Abadon" him ;)
Bahaha I see what you did there 😂
"I paid in jealousy."
Slaanesh: "Ooh, write that down, write that down!"
One for each crusade!
Lmaoo “We’ll get them next time guys”
Thank you dave for giving abaddon the due he deserves. Im sick of all of these other people who talk about the lore trashing him. Do more choas lore please
What would you like me to make next?
@@MWG_Davewhat about the thousand sons?
Dave, your lore voice is incredible! I could listen to you tell stories all day long.
Does anyone else want Dave to read more lore
What would you want me to do next?
@MWG_Dave mortarion is awesome or the silent king but anything would be amazing from you
@@MWG_DaveAngron. Embrace your love of the dark gods and share with us the tragic tale of the first berserker. Warped by the butcher's nails and denied by the Emperor of his desired fate. Truly a warrior worthy of your mention.
@@Zollunsamazing suggestion. I love this.
@@brothercaptainooooo a longer lore dive of the Red Angel eh? The nails are biting!
You should kitbash a heresy-era abaddon as well
Video idea: you buy 10 guillimens and make them fight each other?
Due to the current meta, it will be interesting to see if Guilliman can win that fight.
Love the music choice for the lore reading!
I love Abaddon. He's like "stop doing chaos. Ahrgghh, screw it, we can use a little bit if it let's us overthrow the imperium. "
He definitely has a results oriented mindset even if the execution isn't always up to snuff.
The Guilliman conversion is still using guilliman’s head it’s had some sculpting done to remove the laurel and his hair then replace by a more appropriate hair
After closer inspection I realized this too.
Only 13yrs ago? Tourist.
...just joshing😜love ya Dave keep it up
Haha bolter rounds fired I see ❤
@@MWG_Dave lol let the galaxy burn my dude
Just worked it out, I've had mine 24yrs, still unassembled!
We are all tourists in this temporary life. Dust on the barn door floor, waiting to be swept away by the wind.
Finally, I found someone who likes Abbadon
Yes you did.
@@MWG_Dave I am really happy
If only people who like Abaddon would know how to write his name correctly
@@Deus888you got me there pal
I'm not alone!
After reading the Black Legion books by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Abaddon is one of my absolute FAVORITE characters in the W40K universe. Used to think he was nothing but a wannabe Horus with severe daddy issues, but the Black Legion books are rally good for giving him a LOT of context, and making me want to see him win the Long War. Made the mistake of reading those books BFEFORE starting Fall of Cadia, and now I find myself reading Fall of Cadia, and rooting for the Black Legion to decimate the planet.
That one with the glow in the helmet.. man that's good. And that cape, looks like real leather or some such. Epic paint job, how much does something like that cost? I want to paint now..
Okay so Dave has gone crazy. Also he has his own Mini Wargaming Channel.
I don't understand why so many people hate on him, he is such an underrated character
I think it's Saturday morning cartoon villain syndrome. He's the poster "big bad" for chaos, so he's described as if he is some ultimate threat but chaos are never the protagonists, and unlike with the Horus Heresy the current setting needs to maintain a high degree of "status quo" to allow room for the tabletop to feel believable and immersive. All this means Abaddon just ends up looking like an impotent loser and/or the 40k equivalent of an edgelord teen at school who claims all sorts of edgy nonsense but is at the end of the day just a kid.
GW tried to fix this with the 13th dark crusade but the damage is done. Decades of being a joke can't be retconned away
@@JimIBobIJones sad truth
Because he's boooring, and his abilities come across as entirely unearned.
@@Sara3346 Oh yeah. The best of the Luna Wolves, who spent the last 10k years fighting his way to a position of power, leading crusade after crusade. Totally unearned. Have you even read the Abaddon books?
@@dylonson4786 I mean on a metathematic scale. Surviving in the long war is impressive but not unique or even that noteworthy among chaos space marines as far as I can tell.
Beating the horus clones is unique but feels like it relies on author fiat.
It feels very obvious that he was written to be ''THE big bad, be afraid so scary such power much wow'' long before any actual consistency came into play in his portrayls
My understanding is that dude didn't even want to lead what would become the black leigon and headed off to sulk for hundreds of years.
Mind you I should give some credit where it is due I am impressed that he has remained as sane as he has and avoided becoming a chaos spawn
Now the one very valid critique you have is that yes, I haven't read his books. I don't buy warhammer stuff because I am trying very hard not to go broke.
I have been following this stuff for the last 15 years though, through author interviews, book reviews, G.W podcasts like Voxcast,et al, wayback machine access to their sites, exerpts, Lore videos here on youtube(I have several hundred saved to playlists)
so I do think I have some small inkling of whats normal and not so normal in setting.
Quite frankly, compared to figures Luft Huron/Huron Blackheart or even Warsmith Honsou I just don't find much compelling about his character.
Maybe that is my fault for not seeking information on him out very much. Maybe it's my mental association with seeing the black leigon as ''chaos ultrmarines'' narrativley (yes I know, they are Luna Wolves + others)
So, I tell you what. I'm not going to waste my limited funds on such books but I will try seeking out more information on this topic. If anything changes my mind on this character, you will likely be the first to know.
Have a nice day :-)
I totally understand!
I built 55 Colt M1911-A1’s so sweet I couldn’t let them go!
About a ton, of Abaddon(s)
That’s pretty close
Your buddy Tom seems like an awesome dude I gotta say. Love the energy!
He is indeed.
Abaddon is the opposite of a psychopath... He's in fact, the only one with a clear vision for the future of humanity!
Y’know, I tend to agree.
@@MWG_Dave Fabius bile though. He has a clear vision in his New Men and I honestly hope they finally get models to go with the upcoming Emperors Childrens stuff. 🙂
Idk about being the ONLY one. Guilliman is as clear headed as it gets.
Among just Chaos, Abaddon is definitely one of, if not the most, clear-headed.
Love the Dave explains stuff
Brilliant video and collection
Thank you my friend. Your support is always appreciated.
FINALLY!! Someone that doesn't just dump on the Black Legion for funnies
An actual lore deep dive! Thank you Dave!
Great video Dave, I may have an Abaddon over on my channel you haven't seen before ;)
I’ve seen your converted Abaddon and it’s outstanding! I absolutely love it!
Thanks @@MWG_Dave really appreciate you checking it out!
I want more dave battle reports and narrative campaigns
On the main MiniWarGaming channel I’ll soon be posting a game I had vs Skari. World Eaters vs Ultramarines.
Abaddon with arms!!
A pleasure to se another Abaddon enjoyer
Absolutely love this format! Make more!
Thank you and done!
What a great friend.
Dave, you are awesome! 😎👍😊
Thank you Dan Harris. 💪👊🏋🏻♂️
No matter what you think about Abaddon, you can't deny that the man has a grit and a determination that can really inspire.
Despite all the failures, dubious allies, and constant chaos infighting, he managed to push on through for millenia.
We should all aspire to have such unshakable resilience and focus.
He's undeniably a total POS, but one of the most impressive POS in fiction.
abaddon is genuinely one of the coolest characters in 40k, and imo, archaon/abaddon are key to their settings--the chosen one who in fact is not a "true believer" in the same was as many of their followers, for no true believer could WIELD chaos like they do.
He will get one for each black crusade
Yes!
I've always been curious about space marine peripheral vision.
Do they just sense what's to the side and behind them?
Is that explained in any of the lore?
Now all we need is a Captain Slaughter for Ravaged Star. Muuuurreeeens.
10 Abaddons and no missing arms? Surely the work of the Dark Gods!
Not me over here contemplating my third Lion model
I hope I can age as gracefully as Dave is.
Too kind❤
Hail Chaos
This!
I think the key question is... why only 10? 🔥
Sound logic.
I have 7 Typhus…the rule of cool always wins 🤘
When I introduced my lil bro to the HH, he started calling it the Horace Heresy 🤣
What about the Warhammer battle report that was supposed to include elaborate camera movements and expensive cameras? Where can it be found?
The only abaddon I own is your #6.
Nice
I don't need to watch the video. Abaddon is the GOAT. No further reasoning needed.
You really should've showcased the FW Abaddon more ..spun him around
Love him or hate him, name an Astartes that's accomplished a fraction of what Abaddon has.
Belial
Hey Dave just in case you by chance don't have it there is a chaos pre con for magic the gathering and Abaddon is the commander
Why not?
Exactly.
Dave, what books can i read (apart from talon of horus and black legion) to get more lore on chaos/ the black legion?
Who will be the Ork boss who will steal Abaddon's incredible hair squig ?
Chaos Dave rocks. 🙏🇳🇱👍🏽👍💙💙💙💙💙
10 shades of abaddon
Umm.. Why not?
Touché
You're obsessed thats why......and thats alright
You need 3 more. Then you can have one for each crusade
This guy sounds like a guitar player. Ten of the same guitars is just the beginning.
Abaddon is by far the most misunderstood and underrated character in 40k.
I think he's seconded by Lorgar
the the spoiler 🤔
Why isnt the right question, the real question is why NOT.
I thought it was a bit much owning 2 ahriman models clearly this just means I need to buy more
Huron for Warmaster!
Abbadon is Dave's Bathsheba
Nice T shirt 😂
I never owned a model of him because I hate his hair
Haha not a topknot fan?
SCHUBBE!!!!!!
You 12. one for every failed Black Crusade!
I see how you perceive this. Death to the false emperor!
Because Dave has a 40k "problem"
And the “answer” surely is… MORE PLASTIC!
@@MWG_Dave Always has been, always will be.
Surely if we keep digging we're bound to hit the other side
Failbaddon the Armless: 1
Cadia: 12
Remember.
Control, not Controlled!
Gota live his videos, no hate hear
Love*
Well I got 2 guilimans lol
It’s not a race…😉
@@MWG_Dave haha
is mini wargaming coming back to utube?
What do you mean?
Sounds like you need 3 more Abaddons, one for each crusade.
I agree.
Wasn't makoghurst more important
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Maloghurst or whatever. He was in slaves of darkness i think.
🖤💙🖤💙
❤❤💪💪
You need 6 more. Sons of horus is legio xvi.
#RecklessAbbadon
The lore read was good, though the driving style of music was distracting. Surely, this could have been offset by presenting more Abaddons.
Is it because the arms kept falling off?
"master strategist" who has gone on how many black crusades now? last I saw it was 13 and he always loses in the end. It's sad really.
But u dont have Horus Ascended turned into Ezekiel
Has this guy been single handedly convincing GW not to drop Abaddon with his purchases? Because something definitely is. Its the only sane explanation for 10k in lore years of utter stagnation from a faction supposedly called "Chaos". At this point Chaos practically have a hereditary monarchy in place....
You didn't get ten of the same miniature ..you got ten of the same character ...words mean things ...
This alcoholic drank 20 beers? But Why?
Great narration. Annoying background music.
Recommendations?
@@MWG_Dave no im just a whiner. I like all your stuff.
Failbaddon actually has a fanboy?
Still less models than Ls he took in the BC, from Huron with spite!
Control not controlled
Obviously, Chaos God propaganda ... He still has his arms on
8:45 wow they didn’t even drill out the barrels.
Abaddon fails on so many dimensions that you need multiple versions as redundancy IRL. Also calling him formidable without irony should be a crime.
.. Sigy cooked him.. hes a cheater lol
Abaddon is stupid. Literally everything he does directly helps Chaos and the Chaos gods.
**trigger warning**
We're just going to pretend he isnt in or from scripture? Got it... usually the case lets be honest. Otherwise known as apollon or apollo....
He still feels too cartoonish to me. Like Skeletor.
( *Angry sigh* ) Am i a joke to you? 😢😡
you guys sound and look like real hobbies, tell me, do people really play as Adeptus Custodes?