We have owned a 2003 Antares for 2 years now. While the design may be dated it is certainly tried and tested. When people ask me about what catamaran to purchase I always point out the build quality in the Antares. If you walk on a brand new Lagoon, FP or other production boats in this range you will notice "creaking". Our vessel is almost 20 years old and is still quieter than most brand new models we stepped on at boat shows. We do love the protected helm position. We don't have the hard dodger and that is an upgrade we would love to have added. We have zero worries about seeing any corner of the vessel, are well protected, and at the same level as everyone in the cockpit. While the cockpit seats are curved, they are straight enough that we routinely lounge on them. If you purchase an older model the cockpit also has rumble seats. These are hands down the best seats in the house underway or at anchor. I honestly can't think of any reason why GS moved away from this setup. I would add the arch and rumble seating back in a heartbeat if I purchased a newer Antares. If you guys ever want to take a trip aboard to test drive one, let us know. We have a tour of our boat on our channel. Thanks for another great review.
Enjoyed your review and concur with most of your comments. I own an older PDQ Antares and have just sailed her from Norfolk VA to Antigua. The helm position and cockpit felt very secure and were dry throughout despite some bouncy seas, strong winds and squally downpours - foul weather gear just wasn't needed. The boat generally sailed at 1/2 apparent wind speed and we were often bowling along at 9-10 knots which I think is quite good for a cruising cat. We used a full batten main, a130 genoa and the screacher to keep the boat moving. We have owned her for a year now and have sailed her from Florida to Rhode Island, back down to Virginia and now to Antigua. We have found her a practical and comfortable boat to live on and I was very grateful for the keels, skegged rudders and shaft drives when finding out just how shallow some parts of the intracoastal waterway are...:-)
I sailed the Antares 44 for a couple of weeks and loved the boat. I am incorporating the dodger and hard Bimini design to my boat, 56' FP 1999. Motor access was simple and I found it easy to check fluids and access the drive shaft and gear box. The winch and line access was very simple, but read the manual on the self furling system it is not as it appears. Cockpit was amazing it was cold out and we closed the cockpit which made it quite comfortable. Deck access was very easy due to hand rail placement and steps to mainsail and boom. Helm is great only addition is a fan to combat condensation in the colder regions of the world as well as give the captain a little more of breeze in hot and rainy days. Ports are amazingly thick and robust. The systems worked very well and were simple to operate, I loved the boat. Changes I would make: The door latches to hold the doors open need to be through bolted, they use wood screws. Worth the money and is a true cruiser catamaran.
I recently watched a new video by Keith of Sailing Zatara about new boat warranties and support. Maybe you could include a category about warranty coverage and support. When people shell out a million plus dollars for a boat there should be exceptional support.
Great idea, and that's been echoed by a few other people commenting. We don't want to start introducing new categories mid-way through the series, and we had to prioritise information that we thought would be most pertinent to people starting out on their catamaran buying journey. But yes- warranty and support is hugely important to us- we'd like to address this somehow in our future episodes. Good on Keith for bringing up such an important issue!
@@sailingrubyrose Can I suggest when Nick does his overview at the end that a small portion be a quick summary on the warranty of the cat you are reviewing. I watched Zatara's vid on the warranty, and several good points were bought up. Thank you for continuing to bring us the honest reviews, and opinions. From a fellow Sth Aussie, but living in the States.
I've been looking forward to this review since you started reviewing, and it did not disappoint! I think your comments are very well balanced, and clearly you do enjoy the boat; your criticisms come across to me more as constructive criticism than anything else, as there is clearly much to love about this boat. I gave it 38/50, which may be my highest score yet, as it seems that almost all of the Antares design compromises are compromised in favor of safety at sea, and I don't think that is true for many of the other boats you have reviewed.
I think your analysis is spot-on: cockpit, price, ventilation good and bad, dated inside-design, great mechanical/electrical set up..... well analyzed, thankyou
My comment is,”that I for one particularly love the engine inside the boat”! It makes for a safe engine maintenance as oppose to working on an engine all the while practically dangling out of the sterns sugar scoop!!!!
Bit disappointed with some of your scoring and wanted to respond to some of your comments. Regarding the lounging areas , both the cockpit and the saloon are perfectly set up for horizontal lounging, just add a few small cushions and there’s ample space. Personally I don’t like the settee option in the saloon. I prefer having the washing machine there and the extra sink/ice maker instead of that extra settee. In the cockpit, It’s a shame the seats on the transom are no longer standard as they are fantastic space . Especially for dripping dry after a swim or when having a party. We often had 20-30 people gathering in our cockpit for sundowners. No issue. The design of the cockpit is what it is, you can’t have it all. If you want to have shaft drives (which we did) that will limit cockpit design options. Have you actually sailed an Antares? It’s by far the safest cat to take offshore. The helm position is unrivalled. I don’t understand why you mention doing watch inside. I would never do that. We always sit outside , close to the instruments and able to immediately throw the helm in standby in case there is an emergency. Your comments regarding the shower room are a bit unfair, have you actually stepped into the shower? It’s huge and I’ve had both my kids in the shower with me when they were younger. I agree the design is classic and it will appeal to people who are monohull sailors. The performance is much better than you describe. This is a lightweight boat and it sails very well.
Thanks Audrie & Seathan! Like the other Antares owner who commented, this feedback is very valuable because, as you rightly say, we've never had the opportunity to sail an Antares. Obviously it's not practical or possible for us to sail all the boats we're reviewing, and so there's naturally an element of guesswork involved when evaluating some of the liveaboard aspects. This is why your feedback is so important! I know how much you love your boat, and, like many Antares owners, you justifiably consider it to be an ideal vessel for your sailing adventures. Just to clarify- I didn't mean that the shower itself isn't spacious- I meant the entire shower room, which, with the toilet in the middle of it, is more cramped than many modern catamarans in the mid 40s. But that's far from a problem for us and I can't see it being a dealbreaker for many people! Interesting what you say about doing a watch outside overnight. I know other catamaran owners who often keep watch overnight from the nav station and only come out to the exterior helm if they need to. I don't know what habit we'd settle in to, but we'd like the option of being able to do watchkeeping from the internal nav station if need be. I'm particularly glad to hear you don't have any issues with the design of the cockpit or saloon! Fair winds and hope to meet you someday- 😊
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Fair enough. And yes, I am very fond of our Antares and I do get a bit defensive because some of the comments are unfair in my opinion. As you know, we were monohull sailors before and when we started looking for a cat, it became obvious that very few cats are actually built for proper offshore sailing. It’s like comparing apples and pears, some of them look fantastic with beautiful cockpits and lounging areas but I wouldn’t want to take them offshore in a big sea. It all depends on what you want to use it for. We have yet to step onto another cat that we prefer to ours (and we’ve been on many). There are so many things to add to what you’ve mentioned that are so clever about this design. I agree it’s not the most flashy boat out there but it all depends on whether you want a show pony for coastal cruising or something to take you around the world safely and comfortably.
@@sailingrehua4842 I guess our point is that the compromises we- and many others- have highlighted are points that could easily be changed by Antares (as they've so recently demonstrated with a custom cockpit for a new owner). So.... why don't they go ahead and make those changes?! I'm not saying those compromises aren't worth it for such a quality vessel. I'm saying they don't actually *have* to be compromises at all. Unfortunately if you have a budget of $1 million US, you have a LOT of options- not just production boats, but quality, offshore ready boats such as the South African manufacturers- and I'm not certain Antares are being competitive anymore. Our criticism really does come out love for this boat! A used Antares is definitely on our shortlist, as you know through our personal communications. We really do value the safety and build quality of this boat. I hope Antares consider this feedback to be constructive, which is our intention.
Antares has an option for the cockpit. An it comes with optional furling main (not available in most production cats) And the skegged rudders are really a safety first item.
Thank you for this review. Most of what you said was spot on, especially the dated design. I disagree though on what Terysa said about the guest bathroom. One of the things I like about this boat, is that it doesn't suffer from the "hydra syndrome" - the sea monster with heads popping up everywhere. Placing the guest head in the bow does free up a lot of precious space that can be used much more effectively for liveaboards, and it will only be an issue if you have two couples who can't stand one another on visit at the same time. I think that the one thing that really separates this boat from most other cats of the same size, is that the guest hull isn't completely useless when you don't have guests on board. Watching the whole of your series, I'm starting to thing that the perfect catamaran doesn't exist. My idea of one would be to take the size, hull width and general layout of the Antares, and ask Outremer to build it, but that's probably not gonna happen.
lol... than you have a limited thinking... How about not waking up the people sleeping on the forward cabin, how about privacy issue because one has to cross the other cabin so what if you tend to sleep naked or with very little cloth (and no blanket) because it's hot? It has nothing to do with couple unable to stand each other but it does not mean that each couple know each other or feel like the other couple should have access to it while they sleep there... OR it could be kid... try letting a boy go trough the room where is older sister is sleeping... She might not like it...
Of course there are situations where this head placement is not ideal. It's a compromise, and one that I agree with. The boat is meant as a home for two people, not a hotel. Compare to just about any 45 - 50 ft cat. The guest hulls are all just beds and heads. This boat has an excellent galley as well, which IMHO is a better use of limited real estate than an extra head.
@@steink6021 i can understand that, but still see Terysa comment has valide one unless you plan to never have more than one guess or couple aboard the boat at the same time...
We went to the Annapolis Boat Show 2019 too and walked this Antares 44 three times. We agree with the review 100%. Spot on!! How about force ranking the boats you have reviewed so far. We force ranked all the catamarans we saw and had a lot of fun doing it.
Great job again guys. Totally agree. The cockpit seems designed just for eating and not for lounging. We probably needed to be more critical than we were on that spot. I guess we never thought about, “where would we lie around and read or snooze out there?” We also said that it seems a bit expensive for the size. We’d also would probably go for the Knysna 50 for less money if we were planning to buy new. But, we will probably going to buy used so it will depend on what we can find a good price on in that market. Best wishes in your future purchase! Craig and Janice
Never had a problem with hatches that are not flush, actually flush hatches can get really slippery whereas hatches that are protruding can give you a foothold in bad weather. .
Actually flush hatches without the aluminum frame can crack more easily and are more troublesome to fix. Not sure I would want them for a trans oceanic passage.
In my humble opinion, no one does a smarter boat review than you two!!! The format you use is exceptional! It keeps the videos flowing smoothly and, gives me not only the right information, but also the right amount of information to be helpful. Additionally, with so much experience as live-aboard cruisers - I totally trust your judgment and perspective on each of the boats you review. Well done Nick and Terysa! I give this series a resounding 10 out of 10, and two thumbs up 👍👍!!!
Another great review - I’m sure future Antares boats will benefit from the honest feedback.. I do find the ‘performance’ category somewhat of a dichotomy as it appears to be based largely on speed. For a live aboard with your otherwise strong focus on safety I would have thought performance might also be measured by how it handles across a range of conditions. Being fast does not necessarily translate to comfort. Perhaps width to length ratios, how well the weight is balanced and how much fuel and water can be carried should also be performance factors for a live aboard cruising scenario. That said I look forward to your next review.
Hey Murray- you're quite correct, the Performance category is a really tough one because we're- unfairly, probably- comparing non performance to performance cats. So, an Outremer or Seawind 1600 will score very highly here, since they're super light and fast with good pointing ability. Clearly, a cruising oriented catamaran will score lower here, because they're sacrificing performance for interior volume and liveability. So yes, the category isn't perfect, but it's hard to add other criteria to that category (ie, comfort underway) because there's so many factors that influence a comfortable sailing motion, not least how laden down the individual vessel is.We'd be heavily relying on the manufacturer or dealer giving us the information on how well the boat performs and its comfort underway and clearly that's not ideal either as they're always going to tell you how very fast and comfortable it is (we've already tried this!!). In a perfect world we'd test sail the boats in lively conditions and give a full analysis on every aspect of it's sailing performance, but that's totally impractical. We're doing our best to be fair, but that category is problematic and we accept that.
Memo. escuchaste? 2020. What are you guys in Argentina doing to stay competitive? Thanks to Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose for the input. All these topics should be addressed so 40 grados can take it to the next level & to rise to the top. People are actually waiting to see a much better, new & improved model. Exito siempre!
Following these reviews, it is increasingly clear how difficult a final decision is likely to be. I think you have been very wise to invite comments from owners because as you have said in some of your replies to comments, a marina based review inevitably lacks the experience of living day to day in a variety of conditions with the boat. By being frank and honest in your reviews, you are opening up the discussion, which has to be a good thing!
I'm a bit fixated on Outremers, but this is one cat I'd definitely want to see. I wouldn't say that about most cat models. I think the shaft drive and glass at the helm are real pluses. I only had to try to read a boat name (not that far away) through isinglass to immediately want glass; at least to fore.
I realize engine replacements are uncommon and infrequent but if needed how is it done? do you disassemble it in place and remove it from the boat part by part and then the reverse to install it?
Depends on how much grief you have arranging to slide the engine to the point you can get it out. Four strong men and a small boy. As the old saying goes. Some boats you have it easy. Unfortunately this one has green motors, I prefer the grey ones. Lots less chance of putting the owner in the poor house. Cheers 😁
I crewed on a antarees, we also had lots of leopards and some seawinds and the antares was my favorite boat to crew one, loved the galley down, with shaft drive and mini skegs / skegged rudder you can just park it on the beach / sandbar. But you are right it just hasn't evolved on the design has not changed since 2000. Bucks per bang I would still buy a seawind
Your reviews are thoughtful and as professional as they possibly could be. You attempt to be scientific about scoring. I'm not interested in catamarans, but appreciate your critiques.
Agreed. Every published race result for Antares puts them at the front of the pack. Easy to fact check. It is not a flimsy racer but it is a decently fast boat. My short list is this boat and builder as soon as I can get the funds sorted. I would rather cross an ocean in a well tested design than be a guinea pig for the latest fad.
Nick, I appreciate your well thought out commentary. Please don't contribute less than previously because people think you talk to much on your own channel.
I've been looking forward to this review for some time now. You crazy cats did not disappoint. I agree Antares is long due for an update (from bow to cockpit), but it does seem to work. Perhaps I'm off my nut, but I think of them as a good ol' reliable pickup truck (not the performance of a Porsche or well-appointed as an A8, but does the job required and does it well). They are pricey buggers new, but they do come ready to roll (from water markers to washing machines to 1200w of solar). Still, I think you guys are spot-on with your review (both positives and negatives). As far as used, I think the boats are priced artificially high due to the broker's near monopoly when it comes to the used market. For me, it is still #1 on my short list, but I also subscribe to the philosophy of buying the smallest boat you can afford. Thank you again for your thoughtful reviews!!
You two do an outstanding job of reviewing these catamaran's. I think this is a fine cruising boat....but its very high price tends to cloud its positive points and highlight its negative ones.
I like what they did with all the storage in the owner's hull. Most catamarans have that "desk" or a small settee there. To me, that is just wasted space. I can't imagine spending any time down in the hull other than to sleep or use to bathroom. More storage seems like a much better use of that space.
I looked seriously at the Antares and I agree with you 100%. Cockpit dated, fantastic quality build, shaft a must, Volvo’s ??, glass screen, ventilation, it all adds up to a great boat but you pay for it. I can have a devilliers 52 aluminium cat built for slightly less than that in sth Africa, with a lot more gear on it, state of the art. But 2 year wait, which I’m ok with.
The cockpit makes me think of a jacuzzi design ! Great interior and the galley down looks great and open but you guys hit the nail on head with small heads and dated cockpit design & price .. love how passionate you guys get with these reviews
You ask for feedback, on whether or not we agree with you or disagree. The Antares is a great looking boat, but I have to completely disagree with you both. Nick does not talk too much. :) I really enjoy your rating system as you review these beautiful catamarans. Thanks again.
Great review.I have to agree with the negatives on the cockpit and master head and shower space and layout. The guest ablutions also small but what are the chances Maverick or Knysna are going to give you a shift drive with engines mid ship.
Great review. I enjoy your reviews and I like the empirical format & formula for your review ratings. Data is great but you can't eat it, sit on it, or listen to it, so your formula looks to be a great compromise. You two are quite entertaining and seem to have good rapport. I have been a huge fan of the Antares for years and I was equally disappointed that the GS wasn't able to offer more updates. The core vessel is superb but it is overdue for a more thorough update. Honestly, a second model (~50 ft.) on a new hull with the new systems (toys) as demanded by the market would seem to make the most sense, assuming a business case could justify the new molds, marketing, engineering, etc. I view the Antares as the marine equivalent of a Toyota Land Cruiser; 1) Bullet-proof platform, very robust, very reliable, will last a long time. 2) Operated at its ideal speed, will go virtually anywhere. 3) Ergonomically speaking, it might be a decade or more behind. 4) The design is dated but solid. Yes, most manufacturers have walked away from most of it's critical core design components but normally relying on shortcuts, cheats, or with reduced capability. A redesign of an icon rarely meets the original magic. Congratulations on an excellent channel with great personalities & content. Looking forward to many more episodes.
Almost a million $ seems a little steep, are you guys going to look at the second hand market of same boaters, be interesting to see how much we would loose after a few years or how much we could save buying second hand. Great video and I love how natural both of you are on camera, very informative.
The main winch location is odd. There was a small amount of water in the bilge and the pass-thru from the galley to the saloon is strange. The head in the guest hull is awkward for anyone in the aft cabin and there must no be a day head on the main deck. So if you are on night watch in the cockpit and need to use the head you basically have to travel the whole length of the hull potentially disturbing everyone else on the boat. There are many other cats in the 44ft range that most definitely do a much better job at space management. Plus the less than stellar sail performance.. This is like the Harley Davidson of Catamarans. You buy it for the "prestige" not usability or performance. EDIT: The Knysna 500 is a better value
Thank you for another great review! Proof once again the how elusive the search for the perfect cat! Antares strong points are extremely strong, skegged rudders, shaft drives, rounded corners in the beautiful salon, proven record, safe cockpit, .... just seems dated and expensive. I've also noticed those used Antares being on the market for over a year. REALLY looking forward to that Seawind 1260 review. :-)
Awesome video as usual and I greatly appreciate your opinions...nick can you also add from the motor perspective if the brand used in each boat is known to be reliable or anything particular is known for reliability for us newcomers to get a jist of what we should stay away from.... thank you guys for what you do
Hey mate, I have no problems with either yanmar or Volvo. There was a big recall on certain Volvo engines a few years back. However that was due to some issues in getting past US emissions standards. Aside from that nothing
I absolutely love this boat. However, there are a few glitches that I agree with. The cockpit does need a re-design. I love the new Hard top on the GS, and the shaft drives are fantastic! I’d want a hybrid drive train, and lithium Batteries. I’d turn that aft cabin into my work space, so that niggle isn’t an issue for me. Wish I had the money right now.
My understanding is they only build 3-4 boats a year, so I’m guessing modernizing their “look” and “layout” could possibly be very expensive on an already overly expensive boat.
Have you had a look at the changes in the 44 GT and future electric hybrid? I particularly like the changes to the cockpit lounge that address some of the issues you brought up. I think their electric hybrid concept is brilliant and with the added solar will make live aboard all that much more comfortable and green.
Hey Guy's, great review. Still like the Seawind 1260 the best just from your reviews so far. Never owned a sail boat but many years age my family owned a 44 ft Lazyday's house boat that at the time was one of the best but we couldn't afford a new one so we found a used one that had been well cared for. Saying that you would consider a used one if it matched your want's and needs have y'all had time to check out any and if so any video or pictures of them? That would be interesting.
Nick said something about everything looking 'dated', but he did not get specific. In our world of change for the sake of change, 'new innovations' may or may not be superior. I would appreciate details about what specifically in the Antares is dated, and why the new design is better; even if you believe it is self evident. Otherwise, I really enjoy your reviews. God Bless!
@@sailingrubyrose Awesome! They are always on MultiHull Show (La Grande Motte). I visited their factory in Tunisia in 2018, but they did not had a ready one at that time...
Hey Teresa and Nick! Thanks for the review of the Antares. Do you like straight seats on the cockpit? You are just in time! Take a look of Halo, our last boat launched, and you will have what you are asking for. There is a recent post on our FB page, Antares Catamarans. SV Halo is also fully equipped with lithium batteries. We tested this type of battery for two years in boats sailing around the world and only now we feel comfortable to offer them to our customers. We do not like to deliver know problems because of a new part that looks great to the general public. These are just a couple of items that were "negatives" but in actually, we are offering. Again, thanks for visit to the boat. Memo Castro 40GS
Hey Memo, Thank you for the message and lovely to catch up with you in Annapolis. Yes indeed we have seen Halo and your posts today. The lithium upgrade is a fantastic option and the new bench seats make the cockpit so much easier to use. Congratulations!
I was a bit disappointed in that I never got a good look at Terysa's shirt, I noticed Nick's shirt said "Crew Member" I wanted to see if Terysa was sporting a "Captain's" shirt : )
I watch all of your vids. ( great chan.) thx for sharing again.. I guess the vid. im most excited about for the future is which boat you 2 actually buy & the convo about why u 2 chose it. im still guessing it will be a outremer lol
Really top quality catamaran. The only thing in my opinion is the controversial galley down. It can make the hull very hot in the tropics and there is no room for a second head in the hull.
On the flip side, cooking in the hull keeps the heat away from the saloon & master cabin, so not all bad! There's also a big opening hatch in this galley and it's very airy and open to the saloon, so I don't imagine it being a major issue. But yes- you either like or dislike the galley down!
Hey Nick and Terysa thanks for another well thought out review. Just FYI, look at a product called AquaPel...it's like Rain-X on steroids, sheds water like it's allergic. I use it and have never had a visibility issue.
PS Sorry, the 440! Just watched the review again, and I have a 'gut feeling' that she's the one for you both! Feeling secure/ enclosed steering position; wonderful cabinet making; the engine accessibility; etc! Would there not be the possibility of getting one 2nd hand?
There's no doubt the Antares is, and always has been, on our shortlist. She's a solid boat- not perfect, but probably the right set of compromises for us. We'll see!
I think you gave the Antares a very fair review. I think I knock a point or two lower for similar reasons. Were you able to check out the HH55 that was at the boat show? I saw a review of it and was very excited to see two aft helms the other HH I've seen, I was not impressed. The biggest drawback (since the boat is all carbon fiber), was the price. Love this series that you are doing. 👍👍👍👍👍 😍⛵😍⛵😍⛵
I love your cat reviews, it would be nice if you could also give us a bit of info on the boat builders as well, like how long have they been in operation, which country, etc
Love your vids .... Just by chance .. The Brand .. Aventura is a new one and definitely on the cheaper side but looks nice for the cost .. Did you check one out just for giggles .. They have a 44ft and a 34ft ... Just thought I'd ask
Hi guys, love these reviews. Makes me want to leave the cold in Toronto behind and go sailing. This may be a silly question, but why have you not addressed the lack of window coverings or pull down blinds on the huge curved front windows? Can they even be covered?
Hi... I intend to get a catamaran 40-45 ft in the next few years. Although I sail dive and fish, I have limited experience in a sailing cat. What's a besy way to start to decide which cat suits me?
Love the look of the interior, it looks like a classic monohull as Terysa pointed out. Galley down has it's benefits. The mid-engine/weight centralization/shaft drive idea should be incorporated into more boats, I think. A negative for me was that the wheel looked quite low when you are seated at the helm. It looks like a long reach down. Might be tiresome if you were hand steering for any length of time (for some reason)?
Realy looked foreward to this one its one of the few that has props/skegs also the safe engine position and in the middle of the centre of gravity , Safety is the byeword of this cat and as standard it comes with a very high spec which are extra s on others, Like the solid build ok its a little dated but do flash lines or windows improve the basics ? This cat is a plodder not super fast & will get you there safe & sound & in one piece as Nick says its overbuilt in many respects. Spec for spec its not that much more than others. Long term ownership will be like classic cars , real wood not Ikia substitute rubbish blonde woods do make it appealing on so many levals, kitchen down does give the chef more space & again storage with that layout puts the weight lower which again equals safety. From a personal view I would spec dark blue on all the sofas ect whites and creams look grubby after a while but overall nice review guys .
@@thompsonxander Not sure why you popped up here trying to correct or teach me. Someone, somewhere, sometime will ask for your advice. That ain't what's happening here bud. Have a lovely Christmas! Cheers ;)
I like the galley down in general so that's actually a plus for me, I could deal with the cockpit, and I'm not in a hurry so the performance doesn't bother me, but I nearly choked on my drink at the price. $600k I could grumble over but think is still acceptable, but holy cats! A MILLION DOLLARS. Nope. I'm out.
Love your review they have provided so much entertainment for us. Although I think your scoring has become more generous over time. You scored the Antares the same as the Privilege and, from my perspective, they are not even in the same league
That is a really fair point Melanie. We know that sometimes we are going to get the scoring wrong, or our thoughts will change over time. This is why we are using your scores to rank the catamarans for the final score. Any bias just gets weeded out.
In My honest opinion the Winch placement cockpit seating layout and Galley Down , Are Negatives , I like the Engine placement , and the Helm , plus a forward Nav , but if you are up top on watch , and want a cup of coffee your going out of View to get it , , Plus carrying hot Dishes up stairs would Seem a bit odd, like swapping the living room / dining room with your bedroom , then carrying all your food upstairs to eat , Maybe a minor Niggle but It wouldn't be for Me. Plus ok Negative negative negative , but it has 5 opening hatches ( ok We get it ) , You can have as many hatches as you like if you have a jigsaw ;-)
These videos would be great if you had sailed a Catamaran for more than 1 nautical mile. Your scoring list misses so many things a Cat owner cares about. For example you don't investigate deck slap / bridge deck clearance. You spend much of your time on seating areas but ignore that many cats you prefer have wide and thus slow hulls. Again your boat show catamaran experience shows when you ignore that many of the "modern" catamaran cockpits do NOT have a sightline forward. During the boat show this is not a big deal but at sea it is not much fun to not see the horizon. BY the way antares does offer a cockpit with straight seating and a straight sun lounger to port. One feature double handers care about is how easy it is to summon the off watch crew to the helm. On the antares the hatch to the master is next to the helm. This is a great feature to double handers. I would propose that you sail a catamaran for a few years before becoming judges.
Great review But if only 2 onboard and youre cooking you have no contact with skipper as the galley is down (Not a Fan) too much distance but handy if you have an argument lol But galley down for 2 people is very very lonely
Heh. Trust me when I say that when you're living as a couple on a boat full-time, a little bit of space between you and your partner is a good thing! But yeah, you either like the galley down, or you don't! Thanks for commenting, as always! 😊
I like these vidios you two make. Still I wonder if Equipment as instruments,Raymarine or B&G does any difference and equipment as engine.. life raft and so on.. Nothing of these brands are mensioned in the vidios.. Does it makes a difference what a boat is equipt whit?
Things like electronics and liferafts can be changed if you're not happy with the supplier the boat builder uses. So we're not really assessing that kind of thing, because it can be changed easily if you so wish. 😊
A bit late, but which was it "Xanthe & Jackson - Finding Avalon", or "Nikki & Jason - Gone with the Wynns"? You mention "when we sailed with Xanthe & Jackson - Gone with the Wynns".
I could easily see you buying an Antares 44 were it not for the cockpit. Most cruisers spend quite a lot of time in the cockpit. Is there any way you could get Antares to make changes to the cockpit?
Wood interior nice but if storing on hard in some exotic place next to a jungle must be on guard for 3rd world termite infestation what'll widdle core away before being discovered too late. Starboard (which I guess is really just pressure extruded recycle plastic) termite proof & better resilience to elements, with thin skin wrap of carbon fiber over starboard might even be made to look pretty.
Hi Nick & Terysa, Great review as usual. I've looked at this boat before on their website, but couldn't quite work out the idiosyncrasies of the design from there. So this was really useful. However as someone that would potentially regularly have 2 other couples on board, this boat is not an option for me. The cockpit design compared to much cheaper Leopard, FP & Lagoon cats is utterly impractical for 6 people on board, as is the head arrangement in the guest/galley hull. It needs to be a complete package for that price and only ticks 40% of the boxes for me. Must have a demand or dedicated following though - 2010 Antares 44i still worth £420k on Yachtworld?? What could you get for that price for a used boat? Much better value I suspect. E.g. 2017 Balance 451 £425k
@@sailingrubyrose Its quite different in a monohull. It's a well known fact and why so many are galley up. I own a Fountain Pajot Lavezzi 12metre (some video on my channel) and the only time I was seasick was when I had to use the head in a 4 metre swell on the nose with 40+ knots. It's the looking down without a horizon and out of balance and thats why I have a galley up. Anyway I hope you test it out and I'm rooting for the Seawind. Fair winds and kindly seas, love your channel. André
I haven't been paying that close attention to electrical specs but how many of the Cats you've reviewed come with lithium batteries as standard or offer it as an option? I looked at this model on their website at the specs and it appears they are using lead acid batteries without the option for lithium. This was one of the reviews I've been waiting to see and now that I've watched it, it is interesting when comparing to the other already reviewed Cats, my rose colored glasses have been removed. As always, great video!
@@AlexMotan1 Lithium are offered. Read up to comment from Memo the builder. Only real negative is the website doesn't keep up. Most of the negatives in the comments are about owners choices, not builder design.
Antares seems to get little love..except by their owners. Agree with the rounded features adding to the 2000s vibe...little tweeks would make a big difference. Btw...have you heard what size( length) the new Outremer will be ? I quess between 51 and 60.
We have owned a 2003 Antares for 2 years now. While the design may be dated it is certainly tried and tested. When people ask me about what catamaran to purchase I always point out the build quality in the Antares. If you walk on a brand new Lagoon, FP or other production boats in this range you will notice "creaking". Our vessel is almost 20 years old and is still quieter than most brand new models we stepped on at boat shows.
We do love the protected helm position. We don't have the hard dodger and that is an upgrade we would love to have added. We have zero worries about seeing any corner of the vessel, are well protected, and at the same level as everyone in the cockpit. While the cockpit seats are curved, they are straight enough that we routinely lounge on them. If you purchase an older model the cockpit also has rumble seats. These are hands down the best seats in the house underway or at anchor. I honestly can't think of any reason why GS moved away from this setup. I would add the arch and rumble seating back in a heartbeat if I purchased a newer Antares.
If you guys ever want to take a trip aboard to test drive one, let us know. We have a tour of our boat on our channel.
Thanks for another great review.
Thankyou so much for those comments- that's exactly the type of feedback that is useful to not only us, but everyone else watching!
Enjoyed your review and concur with most of your comments. I own an older PDQ Antares and have just sailed her from Norfolk VA to Antigua. The helm position and cockpit felt very secure and were dry throughout despite some bouncy seas, strong winds and squally downpours - foul weather gear just wasn't needed. The boat generally sailed at 1/2 apparent wind speed and we were often bowling along at 9-10 knots which I think is quite good for a cruising cat. We used a full batten main, a130 genoa and the screacher to keep the boat moving.
We have owned her for a year now and have sailed her from Florida to Rhode Island, back down to Virginia and now to Antigua. We have found her a practical and comfortable boat to live on and I was very grateful for the keels, skegged rudders and shaft drives when finding out just how shallow some parts of the intracoastal waterway are...:-)
I sailed the Antares 44 for a couple of weeks and loved the boat. I am incorporating the dodger and hard Bimini design to my boat, 56' FP 1999. Motor access was simple and I found it easy to check fluids and access the drive shaft and gear box. The winch and line access was very simple, but read the manual on the self furling system it is not as it appears. Cockpit was amazing it was cold out and we closed the cockpit which made it quite comfortable. Deck access was very easy due to hand rail placement and steps to mainsail and boom. Helm is great only addition is a fan to combat condensation in the colder regions of the world as well as give the captain a little more of breeze in hot and rainy days. Ports are amazingly thick and robust. The systems worked very well and were simple to operate, I loved the boat. Changes I would make: The door latches to hold the doors open need to be through bolted, they use wood screws. Worth the money and is a true cruiser catamaran.
Nick, you don’t talk too much. You are both very interesting people so just kept doing what you have done. Fair winds and thanks.
The engine bay and quality throughout do it for me. Would love to own one.
I recently watched a new video by Keith of Sailing Zatara about new boat warranties and support. Maybe you could include a category about warranty coverage and support. When people shell out a million plus dollars for a boat there should be exceptional support.
agree, all sailing youtubers should make this point loud and clear.
Great idea, and that's been echoed by a few other people commenting. We don't want to start introducing new categories mid-way through the series, and we had to prioritise information that we thought would be most pertinent to people starting out on their catamaran buying journey. But yes- warranty and support is hugely important to us- we'd like to address this somehow in our future episodes. Good on Keith for bringing up such an important issue!
@@sailingrubyrose Can I suggest when Nick does his overview at the end that a small portion be a quick summary on the warranty of the cat you are reviewing. I watched Zatara's vid on the warranty, and several good points were bought up. Thank you for continuing to bring us the honest reviews, and opinions. From a fellow Sth Aussie, but living in the States.
@@sailingrubyrose maybe start compiling all that data now but present it at the end for all the cats reviewed in one episode
I've been looking forward to this review since you started reviewing, and it did not disappoint! I think your comments are very well balanced, and clearly you do enjoy the boat; your criticisms come across to me more as constructive criticism than anything else, as there is clearly much to love about this boat. I gave it 38/50, which may be my highest score yet, as it seems that almost all of the Antares design compromises are compromised in favor of safety at sea, and I don't think that is true for many of the other boats you have reviewed.
Thanks Dan. Glad you agree with our points. There is indeed so much to love about the boat. Let’s hope Grado Sur take it as constructive criticism.
I think your analysis is spot-on: cockpit, price, ventilation good and bad, dated inside-design, great mechanical/electrical set up..... well analyzed, thankyou
My comment is,”that I for one particularly love the engine inside the boat”! It makes for a safe engine maintenance as oppose to working on an engine all the while practically dangling out of the sterns sugar scoop!!!!
Absolutely!
Bit disappointed with some of your scoring and wanted to respond to some of your comments. Regarding the lounging areas , both the cockpit and the saloon are perfectly set up for horizontal lounging, just add a few small cushions and there’s ample space. Personally I don’t like the settee option in the saloon. I prefer having the washing machine there and the extra sink/ice maker instead of that extra settee. In the cockpit, It’s a shame the seats on the transom are no longer standard as they are fantastic space . Especially for dripping dry after a swim or when having a party. We often had 20-30 people gathering in our cockpit for sundowners. No issue. The design of the cockpit is what it is, you can’t have it all.
If you want to have shaft drives (which we did) that will limit cockpit design options. Have you actually sailed an Antares? It’s by far the safest cat to take offshore. The helm position is unrivalled.
I don’t understand why you mention doing watch inside. I would never do that. We always sit outside , close to the instruments and able to immediately throw the helm in standby in case there is an emergency.
Your comments regarding the shower room are a bit unfair, have you actually stepped into the shower? It’s huge and I’ve had both my kids in the shower with me when they were younger.
I agree the design is classic and it will appeal to people who are monohull sailors. The performance is much better than you describe. This is a lightweight boat and it sails very well.
Thanks Audrie & Seathan! Like the other Antares owner who commented, this feedback is very valuable because, as you rightly say, we've never had the opportunity to sail an Antares. Obviously it's not practical or possible for us to sail all the boats we're reviewing, and so there's naturally an element of guesswork involved when evaluating some of the liveaboard aspects. This is why your feedback is so important!
I know how much you love your boat, and, like many Antares owners, you justifiably consider it to be an ideal vessel for your sailing adventures. Just to clarify- I didn't mean that the shower itself isn't spacious- I meant the entire shower room, which, with the toilet in the middle of it, is more cramped than many modern catamarans in the mid 40s. But that's far from a problem for us and I can't see it being a dealbreaker for many people!
Interesting what you say about doing a watch outside overnight. I know other catamaran owners who often keep watch overnight from the nav station and only come out to the exterior helm if they need to. I don't know what habit we'd settle in to, but we'd like the option of being able to do watchkeeping from the internal nav station if need be.
I'm particularly glad to hear you don't have any issues with the design of the cockpit or saloon!
Fair winds and hope to meet you someday- 😊
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Fair enough. And yes, I am very fond of our Antares and I do get a bit defensive because some of the comments are unfair in my opinion. As you know, we were monohull sailors before and when we started looking for a cat, it became obvious that very few cats are actually built for proper offshore sailing. It’s like comparing apples and pears, some of them look fantastic with beautiful cockpits and lounging areas but I wouldn’t want to take them offshore in a big sea. It all depends on what you want to use it for. We have yet to step onto another cat that we prefer to ours (and we’ve been on many). There are so many things to add to what you’ve mentioned that are so clever about this design. I agree it’s not the most flashy boat out there but it all depends on whether you want a show pony for coastal cruising or something to take you around the world safely and comfortably.
@@sailingrehua4842 I guess our point is that the compromises we- and many others- have highlighted are points that could easily be changed by Antares (as they've so recently demonstrated with a custom cockpit for a new owner). So.... why don't they go ahead and make those changes?! I'm not saying those compromises aren't worth it for such a quality vessel. I'm saying they don't actually *have* to be compromises at all. Unfortunately if you have a budget of $1 million US, you have a LOT of options- not just production boats, but quality, offshore ready boats such as the South African manufacturers- and I'm not certain Antares are being competitive anymore. Our criticism really does come out love for this boat! A used Antares is definitely on our shortlist, as you know through our personal communications. We really do value the safety and build quality of this boat. I hope Antares consider this feedback to be constructive, which is our intention.
Antares has an option for the cockpit. An it comes with optional furling main (not available in most production cats) And the skegged rudders are really a safety first item.
Thank you for this review. Most of what you said was spot on, especially the dated design. I disagree though on what Terysa said about the guest bathroom. One of the things I like about this boat, is that it doesn't suffer from the "hydra syndrome" - the sea monster with heads popping up everywhere. Placing the guest head in the bow does free up a lot of precious space that can be used much more effectively for liveaboards, and it will only be an issue if you have two couples who can't stand one another on visit at the same time. I think that the one thing that really separates this boat from most other cats of the same size, is that the guest hull isn't completely useless when you don't have guests on board.
Watching the whole of your series, I'm starting to thing that the perfect catamaran doesn't exist. My idea of one would be to take the size, hull width and general layout of the Antares, and ask Outremer to build it, but that's probably not gonna happen.
Hahaha, we can only hope for a hybrid of all the best bits mate
lol... than you have a limited thinking... How about not waking up the people sleeping on the forward cabin, how about privacy issue because one has to cross the other cabin so what if you tend to sleep naked or with very little cloth (and no blanket) because it's hot? It has nothing to do with couple unable to stand each other but it does not mean that each couple know each other or feel like the other couple should have access to it while they sleep there... OR it could be kid... try letting a boy go trough the room where is older sister is sleeping... She might not like it...
Of course there are situations where this head placement is not ideal. It's a compromise, and one that I agree with. The boat is meant as a home for two people, not a hotel. Compare to just about any 45 - 50 ft cat. The guest hulls are all just beds and heads. This boat has an excellent galley as well, which IMHO is a better use of limited real estate than an extra head.
@@steink6021 i can understand that, but still see Terysa comment has valide one unless you plan to never have more than one guess or couple aboard the boat at the same time...
@@noway543 Antares is designed for a cruising couple. NOT A CHARTER CAT FULL OF STRANGERS.
Y’all don’t need a new boat! You only need to buy a bunch of opening hatches, and install them on Ruby Rose! Terysa will be soooooo happy!😂😂😂👍🏻
We went to the Annapolis Boat Show 2019 too and walked this Antares 44 three times. We agree with the review 100%. Spot on!! How about force ranking the boats you have reviewed so far. We force ranked all the catamarans we saw and had a lot of fun doing it.
Great job again guys. Totally agree. The cockpit seems designed just for eating and not for lounging. We probably needed to be more critical than we were on that spot. I guess we never thought about, “where would we lie around and read or snooze out there?” We also said that it seems a bit expensive for the size. We’d also would probably go for the Knysna 50 for less money if we were planning to buy new. But, we will probably going to buy used so it will depend on what we can find a good price on in that market. Best wishes in your future purchase! Craig and Janice
Thankyou you two! There’s no doubt it’s a fantastic boat and a solid option for what we plan to do. Best of luck with your plans too! 😊👍
Never had a problem with hatches that are not flush, actually flush hatches can get really slippery whereas hatches that are protruding can give you a foothold in bad weather. .
Nick seems to fixate on flush Deck hatches. Such a low priority item.
@@TheoSmith249 may have something to do with him being a dentist.😊
patrick coleman ...deck ‘plaques’ 🤣
Actually flush hatches without the aluminum frame can crack more easily and are more troublesome to fix. Not sure I would want them for a trans oceanic passage.
In my humble opinion, no one does a smarter boat review than you two!!! The format you use is exceptional! It keeps the videos flowing smoothly and, gives me not only the right information, but also the right amount of information to be helpful. Additionally, with so much experience as live-aboard cruisers - I totally trust your judgment and perspective on each of the boats you review.
Well done Nick and Terysa! I give this series a resounding 10 out of 10, and two thumbs up 👍👍!!!
Thanks mate
Thank you Therese, you made that tour very interesting. I was hooked on the 50s but you have changed my outlook. Well done.
I’ve been waiting on this boat review for some time. I appreciate your honest perspective.
Another great review - I’m sure future Antares boats will benefit from the honest feedback.. I do find the ‘performance’ category somewhat of a dichotomy as it appears to be based largely on speed. For a live aboard with your otherwise strong focus on safety I would have thought performance might also be measured by how it handles across a range of conditions. Being fast does not necessarily translate to comfort. Perhaps width to length ratios, how well the weight is balanced and how much fuel and water can be carried should also be performance factors for a live aboard cruising scenario. That said I look forward to your next review.
Hey Murray- you're quite correct, the Performance category is a really tough one because we're- unfairly, probably- comparing non performance to performance cats. So, an Outremer or Seawind 1600 will score very highly here, since they're super light and fast with good pointing ability. Clearly, a cruising oriented catamaran will score lower here, because they're sacrificing performance for interior volume and liveability. So yes, the category isn't perfect, but it's hard to add other criteria to that category (ie, comfort underway) because there's so many factors that influence a comfortable sailing motion, not least how laden down the individual vessel is.We'd be heavily relying on the manufacturer or dealer giving us the information on how well the boat performs and its comfort underway and clearly that's not ideal either as they're always going to tell you how very fast and comfortable it is (we've already tried this!!). In a perfect world we'd test sail the boats in lively conditions and give a full analysis on every aspect of it's sailing performance, but that's totally impractical. We're doing our best to be fair, but that category is problematic and we accept that.
Memo. escuchaste? 2020. What are you guys in Argentina doing to stay competitive? Thanks to Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose for the input. All these topics should be addressed so 40 grados can take it to the next level & to rise to the top. People are actually waiting to see a much better, new & improved model. Exito siempre!
Tony & Susan here, We also agree with you Teresa, Just like Nick , on everything .
Haha, glad You agree. Hope you left your vote
2nd hand, as you've said, when she's 'a bit cheaper', she doesn't seem to 'tick all the boxes' for the price!
Following these reviews, it is increasingly clear how difficult a final decision is likely to be. I think you have been very wise to invite comments from owners because as you have said in some of your replies to comments, a marina based review inevitably lacks the experience of living day to day in a variety of conditions with the boat. By being frank and honest in your reviews, you are opening up the discussion, which has to be a good thing!
Thanks mate, we invite all comments as it strengthens the discussion
I'm a bit fixated on Outremers, but this is one cat I'd definitely want to see. I wouldn't say that about most cat models.
I think the shaft drive and glass at the helm are real pluses. I only had to try to read a boat name (not that far away) through isinglass to immediately want glass; at least to fore.
The engine bays sold me. I also agree about the curved seating in the cockpit.
Cheers
I realize engine replacements are uncommon and infrequent but if needed how is it done? do you disassemble it in place and remove it from the boat part by part and then the reverse to install it?
Depends on how much grief you have arranging to slide the engine to the point you can get it out. Four strong men and a small boy. As the old saying goes. Some boats you have it easy.
Unfortunately this one has green motors, I prefer the grey ones. Lots less chance of putting the owner in the poor house.
Cheers 😁
I crewed on a antarees, we also had lots of leopards and some seawinds and the antares was my favorite boat to crew one, loved the galley down, with shaft drive and mini skegs / skegged rudder you can just park it on the beach / sandbar. But you are right it just hasn't evolved on the design has not changed since 2000. Bucks per bang I would still buy a seawind
Good insider knowledge mate. cheers
Your reviews are thoughtful and as professional as they possibly could be. You attempt to be scientific about scoring. I'm not interested in catamarans, but appreciate your critiques.
Thank you so much Lydia
A bit confused about the low rating for performance. 10.2 tonnes I would have thought is pretty good for 44 ft.
Agreed. Every published race result for Antares puts them at the front of the pack. Easy to fact check. It is not a flimsy racer but it is a decently fast boat. My short list is this boat and builder as soon as I can get the funds sorted. I would rather cross an ocean in a well tested design than be a guinea pig for the latest fad.
Nick, I appreciate your well thought out commentary. Please don't contribute less than previously because people think you talk to much on your own channel.
I've been looking forward to this review for some time now. You crazy cats did not disappoint. I agree Antares is long due for an update (from bow to cockpit), but it does seem to work. Perhaps I'm off my nut, but I think of them as a good ol' reliable pickup truck (not the performance of a Porsche or well-appointed as an A8, but does the job required and does it well). They are pricey buggers new, but they do come ready to roll (from water markers to washing machines to 1200w of solar). Still, I think you guys are spot-on with your review (both positives and negatives). As far as used, I think the boats are priced artificially high due to the broker's near monopoly when it comes to the used market. For me, it is still #1 on my short list, but I also subscribe to the philosophy of buying the smallest boat you can afford. Thank you again for your thoughtful reviews!!
All good points mate. Cheers
Great review. When you are full time space and comfort are very important, so I agree with you both.
You two do an outstanding job of reviewing these catamaran's. I think this is a fine cruising boat....but its very high price tends to cloud its positive points and highlight its negative ones.
I like what they did with all the storage in the owner's hull. Most catamarans have that "desk" or a small settee there. To me, that is just wasted space. I can't imagine spending any time down in the hull other than to sleep or use to bathroom. More storage seems like a much better use of that space.
Totally agree.
spot on sir.
I looked seriously at the Antares and I agree with you 100%. Cockpit dated, fantastic quality build, shaft a must, Volvo’s ??, glass screen, ventilation, it all adds up to a great boat but you pay for it. I can have a devilliers 52 aluminium cat built for slightly less than that in sth Africa, with a lot more gear on it, state of the art. But 2 year wait, which I’m ok with.
I just noticed a missing word in my earlier comment. I meant to say that I concur with most of your positive comments!
The cockpit makes me think of a jacuzzi design ! Great interior and the galley down looks great and open but you guys hit the nail on head with small heads and dated cockpit design & price .. love how passionate you guys get with these reviews
daaaaaang what a boat! Although we are partial to our monohauls we can still appreciate a nice cat.
Beautiful beast
"A model that has been around for a while" and it shows...
true dat
You ask for feedback, on whether or not we agree with you or disagree. The Antares is a great looking boat, but I have to completely disagree with you both. Nick does not talk too much. :) I really enjoy your rating system as you review these beautiful catamarans. Thanks again.
Haha. Thanks mate
Great review.I have to agree with the negatives on the cockpit and master head and shower space and layout. The guest ablutions also small but what are the chances Maverick or Knysna are going to give you a shift drive with engines mid ship.
Thanks for commenting Michael! The engine location and shaft drives are definitely unique and one thing we really like about this boat.
Great review. I enjoy your reviews and I like the empirical format & formula for your review ratings. Data is great but you can't eat it, sit on it, or listen to it, so your formula looks to be a great compromise. You two are quite entertaining and seem to have good rapport.
I have been a huge fan of the Antares for years and I was equally disappointed that the GS wasn't able to offer more updates. The core vessel is superb but it is overdue for a more thorough update. Honestly, a second model (~50 ft.) on a new hull with the new systems (toys) as demanded by the market would seem to make the most sense, assuming a business case could justify the new molds, marketing, engineering, etc.
I view the Antares as the marine equivalent of a Toyota Land Cruiser;
1) Bullet-proof platform, very robust, very reliable, will last a long time.
2) Operated at its ideal speed, will go virtually anywhere.
3) Ergonomically speaking, it might be a decade or more behind.
4) The design is dated but solid. Yes, most manufacturers have walked away from most of it's critical core design components but normally relying on shortcuts, cheats, or with reduced capability. A redesign of an icon rarely meets the original magic.
Congratulations on an excellent channel with great personalities & content. Looking forward to many more episodes.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment and kind words John! Glad you found the video useful.
Almost a million $ seems a little steep, are you guys going to look at the second hand market of same boaters, be interesting to see how much we would loose after a few years or how much we could save buying second hand. Great video and I love how natural both of you are on camera, very informative.
The main winch location is odd. There was a small amount of water in the bilge and the pass-thru from the galley to the saloon is strange. The head in the guest hull is awkward for anyone in the aft cabin and there must no be a day head on the main deck. So if you are on night watch in the cockpit and need to use the head you basically have to travel the whole length of the hull potentially disturbing everyone else on the boat. There are many other cats in the 44ft range that most definitely do a much better job at space management. Plus the less than stellar sail performance.. This is like the Harley Davidson of Catamarans. You buy it for the "prestige" not usability or performance. EDIT: The Knysna 500 is a better value
Thank you for another great review! Proof once again the how elusive the search for the perfect cat! Antares strong points are extremely strong, skegged rudders, shaft drives, rounded corners in the beautiful salon, proven record, safe cockpit, .... just seems dated and expensive. I've also noticed those used Antares being on the market for over a year. REALLY looking forward to that Seawind 1260 review. :-)
Thanks mate
Awesome video as usual and I greatly appreciate your opinions...nick can you also add from the motor perspective if the brand used in each boat is known to be reliable or anything particular is known for reliability for us newcomers to get a jist of what we should stay away from.... thank you guys for what you do
Hey mate, I have no problems with either yanmar or Volvo.
There was a big recall on certain Volvo engines a few years back. However that was due to some issues in getting past US emissions standards.
Aside from that nothing
I hope you do a review of the Outremer 45. Great videos, thank you.
Pleasure mate. We will do eventually
I absolutely love this boat. However, there are a few glitches that I agree with. The cockpit does need a re-design. I love the new Hard top on the GS, and the shaft drives are fantastic! I’d want a hybrid drive train, and lithium Batteries. I’d turn that aft cabin into my work space, so that niggle isn’t an issue for me. Wish I had the money right now.
Really awesome review. Loved the pro's and con's you pointed out.
Thanks mate
Doesn't the Antares come fully equiped for the price? Ex. water maker, gen set etc. Or is that someone else? Love your channel.
It does come very highly
Specced
My understanding is they only build 3-4 boats a year, so I’m guessing modernizing their “look” and “layout” could possibly be very expensive on an already overly expensive boat.
Have you had a look at the changes in the 44 GT and future electric hybrid? I particularly like the changes to the cockpit lounge that address some of the issues you brought up. I think their electric hybrid concept is brilliant and with the added solar will make live aboard all that much more comfortable and green.
You guys should review the Aventura 44 since it's a newcomer and within more people's budgets.
excellent review guys, right on the money.
Cheers mate
Great review and solid good and bad points. Can’t help but notice Teryse playing with a new addition to her right hand ? A ring ??? Is this new ?
Hey Guy's, great review. Still like the Seawind 1260 the best just from your reviews so far. Never owned a sail boat but many years age my family owned a 44 ft Lazyday's house boat that at the time was one of the best but we couldn't afford a new one so we found a used one that had been well cared for. Saying that you would consider a used one if it matched your want's and needs have y'all had time to check out any and if so any video or pictures of them? That would be interesting.
Nick said something about everything looking 'dated', but he did not get specific. In our world of change for the sake of change, 'new innovations' may or may not be superior. I would appreciate details about what specifically in the Antares is dated, and why the new design is better; even if you believe it is self evident. Otherwise, I really enjoy your reviews. God Bless!
Congrats guys for this great video. Could You please review the Aventura 44 in the near future?
If we see One we will my friend
@@sailingrubyrose Awesome! They are always on MultiHull Show (La Grande Motte). I visited their factory in Tunisia in 2018, but they did not had a ready one at that time...
excellent review, especially liked closing comments
Cheers mate
Antares seems to be brilliant, but you have the opportunity to look at many more cats!
Hey Teresa and Nick! Thanks for the review of the Antares. Do you like straight seats on the cockpit? You are just in time! Take a look of Halo, our last boat launched, and you will have what you are asking for. There is a recent post on our FB page, Antares Catamarans.
SV Halo is also fully equipped with lithium batteries. We tested this type of battery for two years in boats sailing around the world and only now we feel comfortable to offer them to our customers. We do not like to deliver know problems because of a new part that looks great to the general public.
These are just a couple of items that were "negatives" but in actually, we are offering. Again, thanks for visit to the boat. Memo Castro 40GS
Hey Memo,
Thank you for the message and lovely to catch up with you in Annapolis. Yes indeed we have seen Halo and your posts today. The lithium upgrade is a fantastic option and the new bench seats make the cockpit so much easier to use. Congratulations!
I was a bit disappointed in that I never got a good look at Terysa's shirt, I noticed Nick's shirt said "Crew Member" I wanted to see if Terysa was sporting a "Captain's" shirt : )
Mate, she’s the admiral!
Thanks for the info. I am down to either a Lagoon or a Peri.
As always, a good honest review...
I watch all of your vids. ( great chan.) thx for sharing again.. I guess the vid. im most excited about for the future is which boat you 2 actually buy & the convo about why u 2 chose it. im still guessing it will be a outremer lol
Haha, watch this space
This is the best catamaran under 45 foot, not the cheepest, but well made.
Really top quality catamaran. The only thing in my opinion is the controversial galley down. It can make the hull very hot in the tropics and there is no room for a second head in the hull.
On the flip side, cooking in the hull keeps the heat away from the saloon & master cabin, so not all bad! There's also a big opening hatch in this galley and it's very airy and open to the saloon, so I don't imagine it being a major issue. But yes- you either like or dislike the galley down!
Hey Nick and Terysa thanks for another well thought out review. Just FYI, look at a product called AquaPel...it's like Rain-X on steroids, sheds water like it's allergic. I use it and have never had a visibility issue.
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Sorry, the 440!
Just watched the review again, and I have a 'gut feeling' that she's the one for you both!
Feeling secure/ enclosed steering position; wonderful cabinet making; the engine accessibility; etc!
Would there not be the possibility of getting one 2nd hand?
There's no doubt the Antares is, and always has been, on our shortlist. She's a solid boat- not perfect, but probably the right set of compromises for us. We'll see!
Wow what a beautiful spinicar fore sail !
I think you gave the Antares a very fair review. I think I knock a point or two lower for similar reasons.
Were you able to check out the HH55 that was at the boat show? I saw a review of it and was very excited to see two aft helms the other HH I've seen, I was not impressed. The biggest drawback (since the boat is all carbon fiber), was the price. Love this series that you are doing. 👍👍👍👍👍 😍⛵😍⛵😍⛵
Thanks mate. Yes we saw the HH. No review though
I love your cat reviews, it would be nice if you could also give us a bit of info on the boat builders as well, like how long have they been in operation, which country, etc
The performance rating numbers should be omitted from further reviews. Its an educated guess at best.
Definitely an educated guess. But it's an important factor when looking at boats. So we'll be keeping it for now.
Love your vids .... Just by chance .. The Brand .. Aventura is a new one and definitely on the cheaper side but looks nice for the cost .. Did you check one out just for giggles .. They have a 44ft and a 34ft ... Just thought I'd ask
Hi guys, love these reviews. Makes me want to leave the cold in Toronto behind and go sailing. This may be a silly question, but why have you not addressed the lack of window coverings or pull down blinds on the huge curved front windows? Can they even be covered?
They can be covered, there are large shades that go over the windows.
Hi... I intend to get a catamaran 40-45 ft in the next few years. Although I sail dive and fish, I have limited experience in a sailing cat. What's a besy way to start to decide which cat suits me?
Love the look of the interior, it looks like a classic monohull as Terysa pointed out. Galley down has it's benefits. The mid-engine/weight centralization/shaft drive idea should be incorporated into more boats, I think. A negative for me was that the wheel looked quite low when you are seated at the helm. It looks like a long reach down. Might be tiresome if you were hand steering for any length of time (for some reason)?
Realy looked foreward to this one its one of the few that has props/skegs also the safe engine position and in the middle of the centre of gravity , Safety is the byeword of this cat and as standard it comes with a very high spec which are extra s on others, Like the solid build ok its a little dated but do flash lines or windows improve the basics ? This cat is a plodder not super fast & will get you there safe & sound & in one piece as Nick says its overbuilt in many respects. Spec for spec its not that much more than others. Long term ownership will be like classic cars , real wood not Ikia substitute rubbish blonde woods do make it appealing on so many levals, kitchen down does give the chef more space & again storage with that layout puts the weight lower which again equals safety. From a personal view I would spec dark blue on all the sofas ect whites and creams look grubby after a while but overall nice review guys .
Thanks mate. All good points. Don’t forget to leave your vote
Nice look. Shaft drive on a Seawind 1260 would make that boat really hard to beat.... Though I'm a weirdo that wants the Lite with the outboards.
Heh, you're not the only one! That's a popular boat 😊
@@thompsonxander I wonder if you typed that here on accident, as it is the most left field non sequitur I've seen in a hot minute....
@@thompsonxander Not sure why you popped up here trying to correct or teach me. Someone, somewhere, sometime will ask for your advice. That ain't what's happening here bud.
Have a lovely Christmas! Cheers ;)
I like the galley down in general so that's actually a plus for me, I could deal with the cockpit, and I'm not in a hurry so the performance doesn't bother me, but I nearly choked on my drink at the price. $600k I could grumble over but think is still acceptable, but holy cats! A MILLION DOLLARS. Nope. I'm out.
Yes, but you get straight shafts and rounded handrails!
Love your review they have provided so much entertainment for us. Although I think your scoring has become more generous over time. You scored the Antares the same as the Privilege and, from my perspective, they are not even in the same league
That is a really fair point Melanie. We know that sometimes we are going to get the scoring wrong, or our thoughts will change over time. This is why we are using your scores to rank the catamarans for the final score. Any bias just gets weeded out.
Absolutely. I am also totally biased as we are sailing a Privilege 615 right now and we love her. So we have cloudy, but happy judgement issue 😀
Love your comments at thr end Nick as you do talk to much but are so funny, and yes Teresa is very beautiful ....lol
Keep up the great work .
In My honest opinion the Winch placement cockpit seating layout and Galley Down , Are Negatives , I like the Engine placement , and the Helm , plus a forward Nav , but if you are up top on watch , and want a cup of coffee your going out of View to get it , , Plus carrying hot Dishes up stairs would Seem a bit odd, like swapping the living room / dining room with your bedroom , then carrying all your food upstairs to eat , Maybe a minor Niggle but It wouldn't be for Me. Plus ok Negative negative negative , but it has 5 opening hatches ( ok We get it ) , You can have as many hatches as you like if you have a jigsaw ;-)
Can't wait for your St Francis review.
Another dated design, but with lots of good points and noteworthy updates.
Soon my friend
I want to see more video's because 1Ruby Rose a day keeps the doctor away !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cool revieuw !!!
Oooh nasty doctor. New review out in 2 weeks
These videos would be great if you had sailed a Catamaran for more than 1 nautical mile. Your scoring list misses so many things a Cat owner cares about. For example you don't investigate deck slap / bridge deck clearance. You spend much of your time on seating areas but ignore that many cats you prefer have wide and thus slow hulls. Again your boat show catamaran experience shows when you ignore that many of the "modern" catamaran cockpits do NOT have a sightline forward. During the boat show this is not a big deal but at sea it is not much fun to not see the horizon. BY the way antares does offer a cockpit with straight seating and a straight sun lounger to port. One feature double handers care about is how easy it is to summon the off watch crew to the helm. On the antares the hatch to the master is next to the helm. This is a great feature to double handers. I would propose that you sail a catamaran for a few years before becoming judges.
That whole cat looks like it's made for bigger people I noticed the step up you had on the sugar scoop was a stretch for you as well as the heal. Seat
Great review But if only 2 onboard and youre cooking you have no contact with skipper as the galley is down (Not a Fan) too much distance but handy if you have an argument lol But galley down for 2 people is very very lonely
Heh. Trust me when I say that when you're living as a couple on a boat full-time, a little bit of space between you and your partner is a good thing! But yeah, you either like the galley down, or you don't! Thanks for commenting, as always! 😊
I like these vidios you two make. Still I wonder if Equipment as instruments,Raymarine or B&G does any difference and equipment as engine.. life raft and so on.. Nothing of these brands are mensioned in the vidios.. Does it makes a difference what a boat is equipt whit?
Things like electronics and liferafts can be changed if you're not happy with the supplier the boat builder uses. So we're not really assessing that kind of thing, because it can be changed easily if you so wish. 😊
The performance is a major disappointment, since better performance can be increased safety. I'm looking forward to your Balance review.
Soon my friend, soon . Should have it out on Patreon next week and general release in a fortnight
A bit late, but which was it "Xanthe & Jackson - Finding Avalon", or "Nikki & Jason - Gone with the Wynns"? You mention "when we sailed with Xanthe & Jackson - Gone with the Wynns".
? We definitely didn’t say xanthe and Jackson- we don’t know them!
I could easily see you buying an Antares 44 were it not for the cockpit. Most cruisers spend quite a lot of time in the cockpit. Is there any way you could get Antares to make changes to the cockpit?
Yes, they have recently built a catamaran for a customer that had a much better cockpit. I’m not sure how much they charged for the changes.
Wood interior nice but if storing on hard in some exotic place next to a jungle must be on guard for 3rd world termite infestation what'll widdle core away before being discovered too late. Starboard (which I guess is really just pressure extruded recycle plastic) termite proof & better resilience to elements, with thin skin wrap of carbon fiber over starboard might even be made to look pretty.
How was the steering mechanism...???
Hi Nick & Terysa, Great review as usual. I've looked at this boat before on their website, but couldn't quite work out the idiosyncrasies of the design from there. So this was really useful. However as someone that would potentially regularly have 2 other couples on board, this boat is not an option for me. The cockpit design compared to much cheaper Leopard, FP & Lagoon cats is utterly impractical for 6 people on board, as is the head arrangement in the guest/galley hull. It needs to be a complete package for that price and only ticks 40% of the boxes for me. Must have a demand or dedicated following though - 2010 Antares 44i still worth £420k on Yachtworld?? What could you get for that price for a used boat? Much better value I suspect. E.g. 2017 Balance 451 £425k
All good points mate. You couldn’t have 6 on board in any comfort.
You are real person Gorgeous. Stop looking around, look right into the camera, your eyes are amazing, own that.
Even if you don't get seasick you will if you are preparing a meal in a galley down. André
Not sure I agree mate. All monohull galleys are down and you do get used to cooking down there
@@sailingrubyrose Its quite different in a monohull. It's a well known fact and why so many are galley up. I own a Fountain Pajot Lavezzi 12metre (some video on my channel) and the only time I was seasick was when I had to use the head in a 4 metre swell on the nose with 40+ knots. It's the looking down without a horizon and out of balance and thats why I have a galley up. Anyway I hope you test it out and I'm rooting for the Seawind. Fair winds and kindly seas, love your channel. André
I haven't been paying that close attention to electrical specs but how many of the Cats you've reviewed come with lithium batteries as standard or offer it as an option? I looked at this model on their website at the specs and it appears they are using lead acid batteries without the option for lithium. This was one of the reviews I've been waiting to see and now that I've watched it, it is interesting when comparing to the other already reviewed Cats, my rose colored glasses have been removed. As always, great video!
Most can have them as an option. This cat has so so much potential, they just don’t seem to want to innovate
Why no lithium?
Because they still live in the last century.
@@AlexMotan1 Lithium are offered. Read up to comment from Memo the builder. Only real negative is the website doesn't keep up. Most of the negatives in the comments are about owners choices, not builder design.
Look at larger 'girls', to compare, as she's going to be 'your companion, and home' for hopefully ages!
All love and best wishes, Claire, Berlin 👍✌😘😘
Antares seems to get little love..except by their owners. Agree with the rounded features adding to the 2000s vibe...little tweeks would make a big difference. Btw...have you heard what size( length) the new Outremer will be ? I quess between 51 and 60.
We’ve seen some renderings, but I think it’s being revealed early next year. It’s a stunner