St Francis 50 Catamaran Review 2021 | Our Search For The Perfect Catamaran
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- The St Francis 50 is a super luxurious Catamaran designed to take a coupe or family around the Globe in comfort and luxury. However, what will we think of the design, price and safety of this beautiful boat?
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I think one thing you forgot to look into when it comes to the St Francis is resale value. I compared a lot of multihulls over the years what they cost new vs what you get for them over the years in 2nd hand value. For some reason the St Francis is among the top score here which is also in the end money.
Without the handrails, where would the handcuffs attach? 😉
ooooh a kink! i like it
Great review! You did not mention the amazing tankage of this boat. One does not need to fill these tanks to keep weight low but it is great to have the option. Tankage I believe is 232 gallons fuel, 360 gallons water plus rain catchment system, and 146 gallons holding tank in keels. So if you are in an anchorage or no discharge zone where you cannot/do not dump waste, a couple or a family can live on the boat for a while without needing a pump out every few days.
Biggest tanks on any cat in her size. I like it. Some people think they are oversized.
Rorke Miller It’s a a huge positive fid this cat and that they never consider it sats a lot about their lack of experience.
Hey, don’t misunderestimate the value of a handle to get in bed. What I really want though is one to grab to get up out of bed!
I want one on the ceiling above the bed for her to hang on.
The lack of island berths in the aft is, I'd think, a consequence of engine placement. If you were to have an island berth, it would seriously cut into the room in the engine bay.
Hmm... I don't like that massive crack at 3:56..
But all-in-all a very nice boat with lots of tequilla-rails.. :oD
That caulk has shrunk a bit there. SFM switched caulks for the next hull.
Wow but I don't think that is caulk. They should have done a better job in covering that up for the boat show.
@@walterwinn2842 Play the video at .25 and you will see it is caulk and there is also a crack in the caulk on the rear of the same joint.
@@walterwinn2842 Yeah, that is on me. Haha. My brother and I were on clean up detail.
It is caulk. Happened on the other side too. Shrunk under UV exposure
Great review again. I like your view on the 45 foot market and agree with you
About the handrails in the sleeping compartment: I will be 90 years old when I can afford this boat - so I will need those handrails.
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👍 Wow you guy sure did tons of effort into the cat review series really enjoyed them. 👍
The engine placement is very bad...
How is it that the older Terysa gets the more beautiful she gets??? Lucky Nik😉
Fantastic review. It is very nice to see a proper nav station on a cat. Helm position is good. Life raft can be moved. St. Francis really do have an epic cat here. Thanks to you both. Be happy, be safe. OH......stop making beds, it causes anxiety.
You don't have to make the bed in the normal sense, but changing a fitted sheet for washing still has to happen every so often. And it's pretty hard if the boat is moving around and you can't easily reach the corners of the mattress.
Greeting from Norway, Love the search for the perfect cat. One item that should go into the review is “hull clearance”, this to understand amount of slamming you can expect. I have been told that nothing ruins a passage like loads of slamming and should have high focus when looking for a blue water cat.
We have dealt with this question many times and why we don’t talk hull clearance
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose maybe make a description on your website you can link to. I’ve watched a bunch of videos, probably heard you deal with the question, but I can’t remember what you said. If it’s a FAQ then you can just link people to the answer.
Which one are you honing in on? I’m guessing the Seawind.
I would say this is my favourite out of your list, as of recently the Balance 44 looks to be on the cards as a good contender but you have obviously gone to the Seawind now which looks great too!
The layout hasn’t changed in 10 yrs.
I'm writing this after the reviews are complete. The XSqusite X5 has a dedicated tool cabinet. I saw a St Francis 50 that had the same feature, next to the stairs from the salon in the port hull. The counter material was Corian if I recall, and it was drilled out for a vise. This area also had cabinets above the work area. For circumnavigation, to have a dedicated area for tool storage and a work space I consider paramount. It may have been a factory tour by another TH-cam sailing couple.
The shelving in the St Francis is glassed in, adding to the rigidity of the structure and hopefully eliminating the squeaks and groans of age.
Have you thought about forgetting the catamaran and buying a beautiful Garcia Exploration 45 monohull? What a safe and beautiful boat. It’s a cross between a catamaran and a monohull. Just sayin...
I know that you guys are probably back to sailing, but I'd like for you to do this kind of series whenever you guys really start shopping with 2nd hand offerings mixed in, you could provide footage of test sails and such then as well.
I wish the catamaran dealers had better websites. They explain nearly nothing and are mostly uninformative.
that's why they have salesman. they want to up-sell you.
Overall, I really liked this boat. It seems to have a solid liveaboard layout, and I really liked the protection afforded the cockpit for passagemaking. A hard dodger/windscreen is tough to beat when sailing to weather and a welcome respite when sailing 40 degrees + or - above the equator. Having spent most of my life sailing at 45deg North or higher. The South African builds are looking really good, and I am happy that they have found a niche in the manufacturing world where they really shine. As with you, I had nothing but nit pick complaints, hardly enough to swing away from it being a great candidate. I said to my wife watching this video, I would really love to see what they could do with a 42-45footer, as I think that is where the market really is. Just my 2C, love your reviews.
While this is certainly a very nice boat, with a 30% finishing cost it is pricing into the luxury cat market, and for me, the looks and the WOW are just not there. I know I have very different taste in decor from you guys. To me what you call "homey" I feel is a bit "stodgy" for the high end market. And that is all I'm going to say because I understand its personal taste. However, I did NOT see any revolutionary technology here like on the other high end cats. I also do not AT ALL think an engine located under a bed in a cabin is a good thing no matter how good the insulation, sound dampening and door seals are. Oil fumes, smoke, gas fumes, etc, are going to go right into that bedroom no matter how good the seal is. As soon as something goes wrong in the engine you are going to open that bed and WHOOSH all the fumes straight into the cabin. Even changing an oil filter at port, you are going to have to walk that dirty oil through the cabin,stairs,saloon to get it to the back deck. there has to be some reason that we don't see engine access like this more often.
Fair points mate. Cheers
Many sailors prefer engine weight to sit be as far forward as possible. This puts them under the bunks. I have never heard of anyone experiencing the problems you mention, though I can see it happening.
Engines are easier to install from the outside.
Pro's and Con's to each.
FYI, the score showing on your website for this one is 36 instead of 38.
Top 3 for sure. I would say compared to other 50+ foot catamarans value for the money is a 9.
What there is a crying need for is the Toyota Corolla of catamarans. An entry level cat for couples who want to see the world. A South African built 40" or smaller with owner cabin, lots of ventilation, designed for sailors, and built at a reasonable price would sell like hotcakes. Especially if adding things like solar, water makers, generators and such are planned for in the design stage to make install easy.
I think the Seawind 1260/1160 fits that bill. Main trade off is the lack of storage.
You might want to look into a used owners version(3 cabin) Leopard 39
@@fgreen411 I don't know if $250.000.00 is considered Toyota Corolla territory. What I did notice was they almost all were for sale at cruising destinations, not where you would return to after coming home. Wonder why?
17:43 you liked the sail to weight ratio then gave it only a 6 without saying why you nicked it 4 points.
Probably for not having Daggerboards and not being performance oriented (light displacement, narrower hulls)
The two of you do a super job in presenting these Cats!
(Hahaha, homely vs homey). Great review of an impressive boat!
Tony & Susan here, This yacht seams extra large, and the 50 size it would seam you will be spending the majority of your time keeping it ship shape. We know you are reviewing what is at the show but really I believe smaller may be less of a chore.
Thanks guys for this review - if I were ever to go for a cat it would be from SFM and probably the 50. I really appreciate the review and the effort that goes into the videos.
There was another St.Franc. 50 right around the corner from this one at the boat show that was incredible. It was finished in wood and I think covered all your complaints. I really thought it was the nicest cat at the boat show. Breathtaking!
That was Paradigm Shift. Teak/Holly/Bamboo high gloss interior. Granite counters. Flexiteak cockpit and stern. Here is an older video - th-cam.com/video/kmZ2Woo_MjY/w-d-xo.html
They are amazing boats
Is that a view of Annapolis Md harbour ?
Yes my friend. Filmed in Annapolis
When are you guys gonna make a choice? I love your reviews but would really like to see you cruising the world in a new cat!
Did something stupid... went to Dűsseldorf and looked longingly at the Amel 60. Yes, a mono but that is one hell of a boat. Maybe questioning what type I really want... dang.
The AMEL 60 is EPIC! The design and cleaver execution makes the Amel 60 and 50 a class unto themselves.
I think Nick has it right. Boats out of South Africa will be taking over the market in the next decade. I see it in other markets, too. Price is less important than service and selection. Those that can give the market what they want, tailored to how they want it, will survive. The big box store mentality will (hopefully) soon fall away.
Only time will tell
Well done, your a good team, very enjoyable also. Thank you.
From this review I feel that the most important thing on the boat is the bed made on the side ..
Hey, I have just watched through most of your reviews and thought: Wouldn't it be great to have a comparison video with a graphic chart showing boat length vs price and perhaps a list showing all scores. You could summarise personal favs or categorise boats and link to individual reviews. Just an idea... =)
Brilliant minds think alike mate. The top ten will be out soon.
Seawind...Seawind....when?
Personal opinion, solo sailor...mono up to 36', crewed...cat up to 45' for long distance cruising. Price the leveler.
Did I miss the bridge deck clearance on these reviews?
By sail drive did you mean like Oceanvolt? And then would that entail having a diesel generator, or would solar and hydro-generation be sufficient?
I more and more come to the conclusion that 50' is too big - for me anyway. 40' seems to be the sweet spot for me, at most 42'
In the first minute it loses marks for Garmin electronics. Garmin is trash and you definitely should not rely on its accuracy or reliability. I've worked with Garmin for a few years.
Wow i find garmin excellent for 2 decades now. Raymarine not so much
@@sailingsolo5290 Lucky you, their online reviews reflect otherwise
@Asim Ayyubi Sarcasm, well done, enjoy your Garmin.
Doesn't matter about speed so much,,, trip plan for 130 to 150 nm a day because that is usually the average.
Magnetic knife holders seem to be quite popular on boats. In the unlikely event of having "guests" on board, who are less harmless than desirable, I would prefere not to present them deadly blades for spontanous use.
Your reviews of catamarans are outstanding.
Very good that you apply your own experiences as sailors moving over from a monohull to Cat
Very practical reviews and good emphasis on safety thanks
cheers mate. thanks for the lovely comment
Love the channel and the reviews of different catamarans however, you guys are going to be too old to sail the one you finally choose to buy! Pick one already, and get back to the fun stuff of sailing around the world before "life" hits you and the party is over. As Nike says: "Just Do It". That said, you guys do a really, really great job filming your video's! I live in the interior of Alaska and use your channel as an escape from the bitter cold in the winter, Love it....Keep em coming!!
Can we have more sailing content soon, please and thank you! You do a great job on the reviews, but I am not in the market for a catamaran at the moment! Don't get me wrong though, love your channel and you two are the most adorable little f'ing yacht gerbils evur!!! ;)
Another excellent review. You guys stand atop the heap when it comes to honest and thorough reviews. Extremely helpful. Thank you.
thank you so much mate.
After all these reviews how many manufacturers (if any) have come back to you?
Also, can’t you do a mean tweets vlog. I’m sure you just ignore the haters or block them, but I do love to laugh at them. I just can’t take them seriously...
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We’ve had mostly positive responses from the manufacturers. A few upset ones too.
Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose 😂 well, I think you’re both absolutely amazing for all the sailing and vloging that you do. I think it’s time you headed down to good ol’ Cape Town. You’ve done the French canals... times to try some proper wine. 😂🇿🇦✌🏻
Listen up, guys...if you are going to be a world cruiser, fridge space plus a freezer is an absolute necessity. I know this just from travelling in my 6m Winnebago. All the rest is age/athleticism-related.
I was impressed with the YT videos by Hugh Howey on the build of his St Francis 50. I think it was his idea to have the sailboard stowage.
With a budget of $1.5 million USD, what Cat would you buy that encompasses performance and luxury with all the “details” that are not easy to see?
Nice video guys !!
Good point of view,regarding a 43-45 foot cat !!
And what about Schionning,this is a good alternative,especially if you want a fast 45 or 50 foot with half of a budget !?
It makes sense to make a smaller boat for regular everyday people but why make smaller boats that make less money. If I can only make 1-2 hulls a year and they will get sold well in advance, there is no reason to sell a less profit making hull. A production cat producer that makes 50 hulls a year probably can't sell all 50 luxury hulls. They would need sales from smaller, less profitable hulls to cover operating costs of said huge production facility. Ferrari vs Toyota basically.
This one, the St Francis looks as robust as they get. I agree with you about size too... I'm solo so 50 foot is just too much. Side profile looks really fast. Low profile saloon, just love it...
11:09 rot thare! I know where you are from but that sounds like my people in the southern parts of the U.S.!
Absolutely spot on comment at the end of this video. We want a cat in the 40-45 foot range and it's difficult to find something nice outside of the production cat models. I can see why cats like the Lagoon 42 are such big sellers to private buyers
Do you know that there is another piece of music? This one has been used 3,245 times by all shipyards in the world ...
Nice Catamaran,,,Nice review as always from you guys :-) Few weeks ago you said you were going to tell us which one you bought in a couple of weeks...Still not heard what you have decided ??
I really like your show but the reviews of the all this cats are not interesting to me .still love you guys happy and safe sailing
What are your thoughts on these newer solar powered cats with back up diesel motors?
Love these reviews very good to see options and what you want in a boat even if its a mono hull. Good job!! Look forward to seeing the results and what you chose.
Cheers
For anyone wanting more information, there is a less entertaining yet very thorough walkthrough video here - th-cam.com/video/u55PtqyCXQ0/w-d-xo.html
Just watched Ran’s review of the Garcia monohull this weekend, also. I hear you Nick about build quality of non-Euro yards, but I was extremely impressed by the quality of the Garcia. Nick, is this a bit of your anti-EU Brit perspective on the world peeking through? Kidding aside, I trust your assessments, and can only imagine it was “Wow” quality if it exceeds the Garcia, Outremer and Discovery builds.
I’m not anti Brit or European build my friend. I’ve visited Outremer and the boats are superbly built. The fact is however that European costs of living are higher than SA and therefore the wages and costs of boats are higher in Europe.
You need to show the windows in the transverse berth's so you can see what you're going to wake up to in the morning. It looks like one only has a small window and the other one may have none but there's no good video of it
You guys should review the Outremer cats. They have options in the 45' range that will sail circles around the models you have mentioned. The price doesn't come down, but the performance goes way up - w/o compromising the level of quality.
We reviewed the outremer 51 my friend
Taking requests? I know it's totally not what you're looking for but how about a Gunboat? :)
Yeah, Gunboat don’t seem to want to take us out 😂😂😂
@@sailingrubyrose That's too bad LOL!!
Island or not... Think it depends on the sleeping habits of those using it. My wife sprawls, and kicks if there isn't enough room to do so. So while it might take more effort to make, that 15 minutes of irritation vs hours of uninterrupted sleep... I'll take the biggest mattress they can stuff in there.
Really like the owners spec choices on this one as well. Noticed i m more harsh on board the spec I don't like, even though the colors, wood etc can be changed.
You can changed most things in there
Nick, Terysa, I completely concur. We are after a liveaboard for our family so we are after 4 cabins (3 young boys) but don't necessarily want 4 sets of heads/showers. We also want it sailable by only 2 adults and 1 in extremis- a mid 40's cat would be ideal for us but there is a paucity in that size range.I must say though, I think this is my favourite so far. Just need to find one to have a nose around!
Awesome my friends. I think they are showing at Annapolis. We’ll also be doing some Patron meet ups if you’re available 😉
St Francis 50, Banana, had 2 heads and showers for their family of 6. The extra space was used for storage and desks in the aft cabins. They wrote a book about their circumnavigation.
Where are you located? Perhaps I can connect you with an owner in that area. We are in USVI until the end of March. Then the new owner is taking her north to Annapolis, East Coast, and into Great Lakes, USA.
Rorke Miller that would be great. Naples, Italy at the moment but head to Gibraltar in the summer.
@@livingiolaire5390 Hull #20 is in Italy. It is a blue hulled beauty. The owner is a solo sailor with frequent guests. Cool Guy.
If you are indeed interested in purchasing an SF50, I would be happy to connect you.
Why would you want the stove facing towards the hull?
How do you remove the engine from the boat if required?…
Might be convenient, but I wouldn't want the engine and all that goes with it under my, or any bed.. The rest is very nice..
For some people that could be a deal breaker, but for others, especially those with 1st hand experience of Murphy's law it could be main reason to choose the St. Francis
I was impressed with the safety features of this boat. Your right it didn't look the part of Millionaire's toy with fancy hardwoods, granite counter tops, etc but what I saw was form and function. The price does seem rich, but the surfaces looked easy to clean, the handrails everywhere were wonderful it did not look like a condo on the water, it looked like a boat! The beds were a little weird and I think Islands would make them more practical, but visibility looked good, and yes rounded corners to prevent boat bites, yea!
Glad you agree mate
OK, so I'm out of sequence... Need to find my way back to episode 50ish, I think. Just a small point, but going forward, would you please be able to cover security in your boat reviews? I realise that this may be a small issue, but keep wondering how secure they are - how confident you could be when leaving them moored up or at anchor (thought arose when you went spear fishing). Also, do you guys ever run into Off Duty Sailing? It's just that your review of the same boat (literally same owner's boat) came up just after I watched their review. I'm not advocating, but you guys are my favourite!
Ah cheers mate.
Yes we met them at Annapolis and reviews the same boats on different days
@@sailingrubyrose Security?
"multiple showering "situations"" ... we going with that then? :D
Very beautiful 😍👍
St. Francis Catamarans are the best in the world !
I think what you were trying to say in a diplomatic way was that this boat is not competitively priced - if so, I agree.
Well put mate
I actually hope and think by doing these video series you have influence and that some manufacturers will listen too!
We hope so mate
There should be no reason not to include an island berth if you have a transverse bunk, even on a charter. So I agree that is a big disappointment. Otherwise this is one gorgeous cat. I especially like the traditional cockpit area. Tons of area to entertain, lounge or snooze during the day. Personally I would remove that chart table handrail. It would seem more annoying than useful.
Not sure about European v SA. SA buitld beautiful cats, but more bang for the buck? Not sure about that. an FP, Lagoon is cheaper and more bang for the buck imo. All the boutique ones are too BIG
FeelItRising I’ve been noticing the same thing, and I think it’s in part due to the strong US Dollar exchange rate with the Euro. Also Leopard and Lagoon, exp Leopard are jacking their 45 prices every year, probably for reasons Terysa mentioned; it’s the sweet spot for many (including me). Right now the new Nautitech 46 Open looks like a steal. I’m sure I can get a decent enclosure designed for the outboard helms. It’s a near-performance cat that’s cruiser friendly.
Lots of things missing from this evaluation. Especially things concerning those features that you can't change. How about hull & deck construction details, rig design & strength, keel evaluation, beam to length ratio, bridge deck clearance, stability issues, ground tackle provisions, wiring and plumbing quality, fluid capacities, etc, etc. This is more of a fluffy interior evaluation than a real blue water cruising boat eval. Much more could have been done on the exterior, cruising features, and a comparison with other 50' cats on the market. I was not impressed with this as a purchase evaluation or search for the perfect catamaran. I would certainly never buy a boat just because I liked the interior.
Good info. Thank you for all the "homework" you do
Pleasure mate.
Another great review! But, 2 comments on performance: 1) the displacement number you cited is the light displacement (i.e., bare hull and spars, basic engine and electronics), not the sail-away real-world displacement, which comes in over 22 tons. 2) Anecdotal comments from other St. Francis owners in rallies and buddy--sails indicates the St. Francis does not sail as well as some of the competition. OTOH, the author Hugh Howey lives aboard his St. Francis, Wayfinder, and has done a massive solar installation and claims to be able to run all his AC, water-maker, and all his appliances at will with no generator or alternator.
Hey Doug. I remember meeting you. We are headed out for a sail around April 1 from San Juan to Provo, T&C. Come for a ride.
22 tons?
Some boats are faster. Some are slower.
Speed is important. Comfort is important. How much of each do you want?
Rorke Miller sorry, just found your reply (a few days late). Thank you for the invitation! Unfortunately, I will not be medically fit to fly until late April, but would be happy to take you up on your offer in the future. I completely concur with your comments regarding the trade-off between performance and comfort. I still love the boat!
She is too short to see anything when helming
Would love to see you review a Gunboat :)
Us too. @gunboat? Where are you?
@@sailingrubyrose ... Northern Minnesota Super Cold and icy
In review of the gunboat I think personally that it is way out of class. They are a high performance /cruising catamarans that starts over 2 million dollars because it’s a carbon fiber boat. Truth be told as an arm chair sailor, that was my dream boat, but after doing further research I realized it’s not for me.They are a bad ass line of boats..., from 48’to 55, 57, 60, 62, 66, 78’ as well as a 90’footer. Most if not all carbon fiber.
No disrespect but if you have to ask for a review on such a vessel, more than likely it’s not for you. If you’ve never sailed or seen a catamaran up close, compared to a monohull..., they are freakin HUGE!!! Not to say you couldn’t handle it but they’re really built for very experienced sailors. I personally do not fit that category. And I might add that the one that I loved first was the Outremer 45’, then I said to myself if I am gonna dream go big so then it was the 55’ and I kept reviewing through the eyes of TH-camrs and some personal research and ended up loving the Balance 526 and 482, a 52’ and 48’ leaning towards the 48.
Great review! Rewatched the Xquisite X5 review and I'm now on my way to buy a lottery ticket! I got this!
Buy one for me too mate
We can’t wait till you guys purchase RR2.0 and start sailing again 💚😎
Nice review guys, honest we believe 👍👍
"A very, very safe space to work". Right. Did you really just say that? Work!! What has the world come too. 😉🎈 Looking forward to the reveal of what CAT you guys have bought. I switched on the bell so maybe do it live ... somewhere nice? Somewhere fitting? 😉
Cheerio. 💖🎈
I have 2 malibu surfboards...check!, and am trying too figure out where the kayak and pushies will go.
Hold that forward locker! Don't you guys mess with it, please. I've just found my new boat, notwithstanding your "secret" in South Aussie!
Leopard ? Midrange 45ft South Africa
We have a review of it
Great review, great boat. It's very nearly there, but I would want dagger boards and a slightly bigger bias towards sailing performance, island berths notwithstanding. As for build, the joint at 3.56 as mentioned below is a bit surprising.
Yeah, have to agree there
That is a lifted bead of calk. Not a crack. I still should have fixed it for the show. However, I do think that we had the most miles within the last year out of any boat at the show. It still showed very nicely.
Darn caulk. A lot of folks have commented on it and I am bummed to have overlooked it.
Guys. I love your reviews and ratings. The one boat which is being built in South Africa, is the Balance 526 and the 482, owned by Phil Berman. I love these two products.The 526 does have dagger boars and the 482 does not however I believe that the 486 is going to be about $700,00.00 us and the 526 about 1.7 with all the bells and whistles. Again keep up the good work. They may be at the Miami boat show this year. However I don’t think the 482 will be ready. They also make a 45 which from what I had seen I wasn’t really impressed. Perhaps the 2020 version will be much better..., to me that is.
I like the comment that a person needing handle for the bed might have a few problems. You young bucks may not need such handles, but there are some of us who will appreciate them. My appreciation for such assistance is rather sudden and new. You can use your imagination for additional handle uses, for example, a great support item for fuzzy handcuffs, if you're into that sort of thing. ;) For us older folks, those ideally placed handes may mean getting into and out of bed without injury or delay, especially important when nature calls. Love the cat series. Very well done. Love this boat as well. Good job, both. Muchos gracias, mates, as they might say in South-East Coober Pedy.
Very nice boat. Maybe the bed handles are for handccuffs? That would be very thoughtful. 😆
Handcuffs, ropes, safety teathers. The possibilities are endless
@@sailingrubyrose I never knew there were so many kinky sailors! I guess if you need to pratie your ropes and knots, it makes sense!
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Another great review! I look forward to seeing which cat you finally decide to purchase.
The choice is coming.
Fantastic reviews guys!
They want a 45 then load it up and the sterns sink then they add length to the stern to carry the weight. Evolution of cat builds usually go up 2 feet at a time. 40-45 was ok when generators and washing machines and watermakers etc were considered a luxury or optional. If its a charter boat, who cares. Live aboards understand, tools, spares, bolts and nuts, books, food, beer, dingies, bodies etc all add up.
Best Boat Ever.. Great Video!!