THE ELDAR ARE TARNISHED BY LAZY MODERN LORE. A RANT.
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While I think that half-blooded Eldar are a pretty cool idea, I think that being forced to raise the God of the Dead is far more badass. My change would be that Yvraine herself doesn't know how Ynnead will save the Eldar, but she has faith that he will vanquish Slaanesh and allow the Eldar to be reborn. In her hubris, she forgets that Ynnead is, in fact, the god of DEATH, meaning that when he does eventually defeat/ subdue/ divert Slaanesh, he starts to drain their souls instead. The Eldar are torn between giving your life to Ynnead, or suffering under Slaanesh. A life of ghoulish torture (much like the Eldar of Craftworld Altansar), or a good, long life in which you know that you will be damned to Slaanesh upon death.
Better to have your soul absorbed than tortured for eternity 😉
I mean, Ynnead isn't even supposed to be fully born until the very last Eldar dies. Won't be many souls left to suck at that point. More like Ynnead is already sucking their souls and using them to empower itself. Though, after looking at the Yncarne and how Slaaneshy it looks, and also keeping in mind how Eldar death fuels Ynnead, I kinda wonder if the whole prophecy is all BS and just a clever trick by Slaanesh to get the Eldar to give themselves willingly.
@@damianwomack4668 That's true, but Yvraine thinks that by uniting the Crone swords, Ynnead will be able to form without the deaths of every Eldar. I do like the last minute irony of it all being a trick by Slaanesh!
@@damianwomack4668 that’s an interesting point
@FA S Hmmm...That is interesting too. Even though Morai Heg got nom'd by Slaanesh too, somehow her fingers are capable of causing such a huge change? Wonder if that is just one more crazy idea put into Yvraine's head to lead the Eldar astray. Or, since the last of the Crone swords is supposed to be inside Slaanesh's own palace, maybe it would be a good way to trick the Eldar into bringing all of the blades directly into Slaanesh's control and doom them forever. Cause lets be honest, its probably a one way trip to grab that last blade. Either they bring them all together there and the plan works, or it backfires horribly and they are all lost forever.
I always found it interesting that it was a Dark Eldar who ended up becoming Ynnead's herald. They are more tied to Slaanesh than Craftworlders or Exodites. Maybe more susceptible too? And Yvraine only became what she is after dying. Almost like something could have taken control of her body, and not necessarily some new, nascent God. I get that she is supposed to be the bridge that links the Eldar and Dark together again, but I like to think it could be more than that too. A lot of Eldar on both sides don't trust her still, and for good reason. She only destroyed craftworld Biel Tan's infinity circuit and caused a ton of Eldar souls to be lost. To Slaanesh or Ynnead though? Who knows. And while Asdrubael Vect isn't a good dude by any means, he is one of the most intelligent and longest living of all the Eldar and even he thinks Yvraine is just nuts or being fooled into dooming the race.
It would be super grimdark if any of this it turned out to be true, but thats why I like considering it. This is the grimdark future after all. We will (most likely) never know since GW wouldn't have the nerve to try fully killing off the Eldar or Slaanesh for many reasons. It would cause such a huge shake up and enrage tons of fans. By extension, we will most likely never see a fully awakened Ynnead either. But who knows? It is fun to think about at least. And 40K needs to keep a lot of questions unanswered to keep the mystery and theorizing going.
I like Ynead tbh. His role of prophesied saviour whilst also never actually being capable of doing so unless all the Eldar are dead is pretty grim. Also kinda fun that if GW ever wanted to buff his datasheet, we'd have to assume a craftworld got wiped out.
As for half elves, I reckon there's a good story about the Dark Mech attempting to gene-splice humans and eldars waiting to be told, could also be a way to give chaos something that isnt just a spiky imperial unit.
The most tragic thing to happen to the Eldar is to become yet another Imperium faction because the Imperium is the only thing that matters apparently.
There are a lot of interesting directions to take with the Eldar, making them yet another human aligned faction would rob them of their identity even more than the GW writers already have
Can't agree more, 40k is such a rich setting yet the focus is almost always on humanity, weird...
i always liked that Eldar lasguns looked like human ones, suggesting some shared history.
Don't forget their use of chainswords. And the whole fact that they look 90% alike. I imagine the Old Ones made humanity using atleast some of the same methods they used for the Eldar. What our ultimate purpose was though, who knows?
@@damianwomack4668 I can imagine that, since humans only really evolved millions of years after the War in Heaven, they may have been a failsafe of sorts. One final "Up yours!" to the Necron.
@FA S Yeah I have wondered the same. And I love the old lore with Necron Pariahs and the irony that humanity, possibly being that last FU to the Necrons, got taken and turned into completely anti-psyker weapons. I used to wonder if the Pariah gene was something that was actually introduced to Humanity during our earliest days and that maybe it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomena. Like the C'Tan corrupted the weapon humans were meant to be.
We do know that at least a shard of the Void Dragon made it to Mars before the Emperor supposedly subdued it. But hlw long have the C'Tan and Necrons been doing things so close to Humanity's own birth rock? And what exactly were they doing?
There's that old piece of lore where a bunch of Necrons actually made a mad-dash to Mars for some unknown reason but thankfully got wiped out by the Mechanicus. Wonder what exactly they were trying to do...
I miss the older Necron lore so much. Back when they were more mysterious and intertwined with Humanity's story. Really wish they would bring Pariahs back in some way. And go deeper into why the Necrons chose Humanity to make them in particular. Kinda makes me wonder if Humanity are the closest race in the galaxy to what the Necron'Tyr were before they went through biotransference. Necrons do look a lot like human skeletons. Coincidence?
@@damianwomack4668 I do like the theory that the Void Dragon helped to somehow empower the Mechanicus while buried under Mars. Makes you wonder how "human" modern humanity is compared to the Old One's plan.
@@damianwomack4668 The Necrons interacted with humanity in ancient times, fulfilling the standard Ancient Aliens of Egypt role.
With that said, I would actually consider the Tau, not the humans. By all accounts it's basically certain that the Necrons have been pushing along and controlling the Tau the entire time.
North: 'They are the Eldar. I refuse to call them Aeldari, fuck that.'
Also North: 'So I'll do a video later on the DROOOKAREEE'.
No no no no! I'm a massive eldar fan and the eldar just being a dying race makes them nothing more than a race of loosers. Do you or anyone want to play as a race of loosers? Absolutely not. What makes me love the eldar is that they should be the epitome of "I didn't hear no bell". Even though the empire has fallen and they are a shadow of their former glory they're still in the fight. They will not go quietly into the night! They are the true underdogs of the setting. They are the smallest major faction. They don't have the obscene numbers of the imperial guard nor boons from choas gods but that doesn't stop them from kicking ass and getting shit done. It's like the saying, it doesn't matter the size of the dog in a fight, what matters is the size of the fight in the dog. That is an interesting faction, not a race of dying loosers crying about doom gloom and boo hoo. And before you say the imperial guard are the underdog, no they are not. There's over 30 TRILLION guardsmen. You how obsurd of a number that is? The imperium is not the underdog. Humanity in 40k is never in danger of being wiped out. The only thing the other factions can do is hurt the imperium. Contrast that with halo where Humanity is on the verge of extinction yet the marines and sailors fight on to the last man to defeat the covenant. The imperial guard I'd say is the opposite of an underdog. Because there's 30 trillion of them. The actual underdogs of 40k are the tau and the craftworld eldar. Having the eldar be a boo hoo woe is me race of loosers is gay as fuck.
Yet again north you prove that your an awesome writer and I love the idea of Eldar buddying up with the humans and saving their dying race, also I now want some Eldar models, I feell by the end of this series ill have a little bit of everything
It's at least going to be interesting for the eldar and human to mix. It would be pretty derpy-fun if the offspring became the Tau! Imagine it, Tau is already theorised to be raised by Eldar trickery, and they do have some mix of eldar and human tech, such as safe plasma weapons. Now there is a way to also get the "Tau boob" memes in if you're going to open the door to eldar sex even.
It's apples and oranges with Tolkien honestly. The way I could see Ynnead working is by the tragic irony: instead of being Valinor-lite in the Materium like he's implied, he becomes Warp-version of the Matrix (or possibly Zanarkand). He traps the souls of dead Eldar in a dream of their old Empire to fuel himself, while becoming a Warp being that grows more and more independent of living worshippers as the Eldar wane and join Ynnead in death, dreaming eternal dream in the warp.
40k Eldar are indeed the best tragic elves hands down, because Tolkien's elves aren't really tragic the same way, altough individual elves sure arey. They've lost most of what they've achieved in Middle-Earth, sure, but at the same time they are steadily making the exodus to the elvenhomes in Valinor. They are not as much waning as they are giving up the Middle-Earth in favor of that which shall last in Valinor until the end of the world. It's sad and melancholic, but not tragic. They are not bracing up for Rhana Dandra, but returning to home from which Fëanor and Fingolfin led them in what in retrospect may have been a mistake to begin with. This is why Galadriel earning the right to return was such a big deal, as it meant giving up the desire for power that led her to follow her kinsmen to begin with.
Theh Eldar have no such comfort. They are not returning to elvenhomes in which their people and their skills have been preserved as prodigal children. They are joining their kin and Asyrion in the belly of She-Who-Thirsts, suffering the hubris of their ancestors, and preparing to spite her for one last time. The Eldar are tragic in a way Tolkien's are not, because they embrace the meme of elves created by Fantasy Battles to their fullest.
The Eldar are one of my favorite factions in 40k up there with Dark Angels and the Inquisition. It's funny because I only began collecting them in 5th edition mostly because I liked the fact that Exarchs have BS and WS of 5 over the Aspect Warriors and I fell in love with their new models at the time, most especially the plastic Dire Avengers.
One thing I don't like about the Eldar is their over the top arrogance and hubris over humanity which is to an almost caricature degree and can make them stupid in my eyes.
I made my own Craftworld, Dalorsia (which are a bit like the Ynnari way before the Ynnari was a thing and without some stupid god backing them) which lost their Craftworld due to a Slaaneshi invasion. They would've won the war but a Troupe of Harlequins came to them and said a prophecy that if they did, so many would die to the pyrric victory it would lead to the destruction of all Eldar because of an enemy looming in the future. Eventually, they saw this future and abandoned their Craftworld and took as much of their spirits as they could, giving much of it to the Harlequins. Mostly due to this they became humbled and super pragmatic, especially because their Farseers find it much much harder to even glimpse the future due to the influence if this enemy. So autarchs are the most important leaders of the Craftworld and are super good at their job to compensate (that's the Craftworld's specialization)
They are not above co-operating with humanity directly and indirectly some of which still don't wish to and some still look down on us humans. They work alongside my 40k fanfic character Attelus Kaltos and his Inquisition faction. But the whole Craftworld have a wide PTSD and are terrified of losing more of their people so are hesitant to step back on the battlefield.
Uhh, yeah, that's Dalorsia.
I don't know where you got the info that Ynnead has always been around, but that doesn't seem right. Ynnead is quite literally the collective souls of Eldar within the spirit stones of the craftworlds and grows in power over time as they die.
I like how you mentioned the 'shape' of Eldar stuff. Jes Goodwyn has has a much larger impact in media than is often realized. The Eldar have a true design language, mostly made from 3-4 "primitives' (shapes). The LotR films borrow from this, though most of the elves' detail is stolen right from 14th century Persian art. Well done.
The Ynnead lore WAS based on the idea that the Eldar will take Slaanesh with them. As far as I remember before all of this Yvraine stuff the lore simply said that they were constructing a death god from their own souls in the infinity circuit and when the last Eldar dies their death god will destroy Slaanesh.
I'm pretty sure there's stuff on half breeds back in Rogue Trader, I know Ive seen it in some old book since retconned.
One of my favourite pieces of lore came throughout the 2nd ed codex. Lots of little pieces about a Craftworld preparing for war, mustering on the battlefield and the arrival of the avatar, and it ended from the perspective of a warlock with the Eldar having had a pyrrhic victory. The Warlock is still filled with rage from the fighting and he's looking around with pity, some Eldar are celebrating playing music and singing in small groups but most of the survivors are all openly mourning the deaths of their friends and families and he knows that once he removes his war mask he'll be overwhelmed with sorrow and he doesn't want to confront that.
Then we have the convoluted/inane pieces. The first time this struck me was with the Doom of Mymeara from Forge World. The short of the story is Craftworld Mymeara has located the suit of Pheonix Lord Irrilyth and seeks to revive him. He's in a cave in the middle of nowhere on an Imperial ice world. Over several weeks/months, using webway gates the Eldar sabotage and destroy communications and surveillance across the planet. The Imperial commander on the planet realises something really bad is afoot and requests assistance from the Space Wolves and IG forces who had recently been on the planet. They end up having a giant titan battle, before some of the Eldar split off to revive Irrilyth and then they all vanish. They could have simply taken Irrilyth and been gone before anyone had the chance to raise the alarm. - Imperial Armour 11 - the Doom of Mymeara
Another inane piece has to do with the raising of Ynnead. On the fringe of Imperium space is a world that's somewhat on par with ours today and theyre superstitious of their moon because of ghosts (the veil between reality and the warp is thin) so they abandon the moon. Eldrad is performing his ritual to summon Ynnead on this moon because of this, so instead of just sneaking on to the moon and performing the ritual in secret he tricks two Craftworlds (Alaitoc and Iyanden I believe it was) in to attacking the planet as a diversion. He must've then decided to take a break as he waits for the Deathwatch to respond before starting the ritual. The Deathwatch captain questions why two major craftworlds are attacking an unimportant location and decides to check what's going on at the moon where his squad kills all Eldrads' harlequin guardians and stops the ritual. Eldrad wasnt able to summon Ynnead fully and so he only appears as his avatar the way people are familiar with. - Death Masque.
Death Masque leads in to the worst fluff I've ever read regarding Eldar (I have never read William King's novels). The Fracture of Biel-Tan. Yvraine herself is ok and makes sense she's a disenchanted woman who wishes to see the galaxy and explore all facets of her heritage. What doesn't work however is the Visarch who was originally a Dire Avenger exarch (someone whose whole mindset is devoted to war and violence that they are secluded from society) of a shrine Yvraine attended, who decides he has a good feeling about Yvraine so he'll quit being an exarch and go stalk her for decades/centuries (while she's off being an outcast, corsair, until she ends up in Commorragh fighting in the arenas and all this time she doesn't notice him following her around. That's not even the worst bit, the entire ineptitude of the whole craftworld during a daemonic invasion (a blood thirster/Skarbrand? smashed a closed webway gate to pieces which allowed egress into the webway, which they managed to navigate to the path that lead to Biel Tan). The Masque of Slaanesh snuck aboard the Craftworld and danced her way to the Avatars throneroom (nevermind the whole craftworld is on high alert, locked down but she and the dozen or so Eldar she finds along the way all go off dancing to the throne room) where she literally pops a squat on the avatars throne and corrupts the craftworlds infinity circuit (I just picture her taking a dump on the throne). Jain Zar eventually shows up and kills the Masque.
Yvraine and friends show up and they win the battle. Yvraine starts talking to the gathered leaders of the Craftworld, explaining she's trying to raise Ynnead fully and needs some magic swords before **punching her hand in to the ground and pulling out a sword from it which finally breaks the superstructure of the Craftworld** (pg 39) That is the single dumbest thing I have read in any 40k literature. - Gathering Storm 2: Fracture of Biel Tan
I always regarded Aeldari lore and culture as leaning more towards an adaptation of the Hellenic City States concept through the Craftworlds, Eastern Spiritualism/Hinduism as belief, and a combination of Classic Mediterranean/Feudal Japan/Imperial China aesthetics for armors, weapons etc....
In contrast to the Japanese influences, I prefer the more Greek inspired look of the Eldar with the Hair plumes on helmets of the various warriors. The Greeks had city states which sort of mirror the different Craftworlds, too.
I like GW uses these influences but just choose 1 and stick to it!
On the subject on Ynnead, I always figured that Ynnead would defeat Slannesh the way that Slannesh defeated Khaine. Khaine couldn't destroy Slannesh at the time of its birth because it was glutted and empowered by all the departed eldar souls it had consumed. Likewise Ynnead was to be born when the last Eldar dies and all the combined spirits in the infinity circuits and world spirits would coalesce into this new god birthing it into the warp. Much the way Slannesh was born. Only now Ynnead with power over death and souls, could draw out all the captured souls that Slannesh consumed. Depowering it to the point where Ynnead or Khaine, or the other returned/still out there Eldar gods or whoever could destroy it. At least that was always my interpertation/head canon.
How dare you sir! This flies in the face of everything that is... idk I just turned the video on I love your re-writes.
For all it's faults, the Hammer and Bolter episode
"In the Garden of Ghosts" was excellent at depicting the tragedy of the Eldar.
I just wish the lore just would embody the 'out last hour will be our finest' promises of the Ynnari.
I really enjoyed your rewrite of the eldar! When I started with 40k in late 2021 I thought the Ynnari seemed really cool, death worshipping space elves sounds really metal, but when I got into their lore they seemed much less so to me. I haven't read any of their books but from various lore videos and excerpts I've gotten the impression that Ynnead has been forming in the warp slowly ever since the birth of slaanesh from all the death and despair that the eldar has experienced ever since. It is just now that Ynnead is strong enough to manifest an avatar (the Yncarne) and granting psychic powers to his worshippers etc. The bulk of their lore seem to come from the "trilogy" about Yvraine but the two books of the trilogy that were released before the third was cancelled were terrible I've heard. With shit like an eldar who gets an extra powerful shard of Khaine in him that allows him at will to turn into a stronger than normal Avatar of Khaine and back.
I would like to see a continuation of the Ynnari-storyline so that I could become more attached to them but right now it is just a way to play all flavors of space elf in one and the same army on the tabletop.
I love the sound of human Eldar hybrids. There is a lot that could be done with this. I feel like I have to draw what this new faction cold look like.
Wow. When you where reading how you would change eldar lore, for a moment I forgot what you were doing and thought you were just reading actual lore (because your ideas were fantastic). Keep up the good work!
Ermm, I think you missed a bit of the Ynead lore because the plan to kill Slaneesh is, the Eldar all kamikaze and die, empowering Ynead enough to resurect Eldar as they used to me in their uber powerful War in Heaven soul mode that can take on Slaneesh face to face.
I've recently been seeing a lot of lore videos popping up on youtube about possibly eldars great plan could come up, and be put into play. I've been trying to get some friends into playing 3rd edition, cause I like how you can play wrathguard and wraithlords as troop choices using a lyanden ghost warriors detachment with the craftworld book, and you can play a lot of the other cool stuff, like you can play all jetbikers with a saim-hann rider detachment. Just so many cool ideas with 3rd edition. I bought every single book for 3rd. Kind of done playing these broken editions that need 20 new books that nerf everything or somewhat fix bad ideas.
Just want to say love your channel m8 and I look forward to when you post stuff
Please check the audio on your videos. They are all extremely quiet and, while I would like to listen to them, having to crank my audio up to hear it means that every other system sound or video will then basically blow my speakers out as a result.
You always have good ideas as for How you would remake or flip the lore, but this one is my favorite of all. For once, the eldar get interesting.
I would like to see more Harlequins, where fighting and art are one and the same. 🏴☠
I disagree with everything said in this video.
The Eldar should get more than just hope, they should actively start reviving their empire and coming back from the brink. It would be a glorious lore point if they actually managed to shatter Slaanesh and revive their race.
@northenexile There is one very big setback about your suggestion about the survival of the Eldar, thay are too proud to evan think about marrying humans, apart from Saim-Hann, i can actually see them being open to literly sleeping with the ename (of the rest of craftworlds).
And i agree with you about the the illogicalness of an Eldar faction bringing back a god with a bit of "hand waving"
I was listening to this video at work. And a mtg add played at perfect time. It blended in well to ur video. Thought it was actually old lore eldar
The Elves in the RPG I'm running are actually still in their prime. I didn't think about it until you mentioned it, but this is probably a rejection of them always being on the way out.
The Eldar looking down on humanity is odd given for most of them humanity at its peak being far more advanced then them on top of more numerous is within living memory. The Imperium is still an existential threat to them that could roll over and crush them by accident.
Hmm, i always thought of ynead as the preferred god to feed... Almost like a gestalt infinity circuit. Perhaps even spawning eldar souls as daemon equivalents in wraith bone. I want scifi dryads damn it! 😉
Northern exile in full gladiator gear when someone is bitching about his rewrighting :
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?"
Without she who thirsts I assume that would mean the Eldar would be able to reincarnate again?
I feel sorry for the Eldar and Eldar players 😞
I've made a lot of Eldar jokes in my time as a 40k fan, but secretly I just want a thicc Dark Reaper mommy to step on me
I actually like this story line.
I dunno, i think the Eldar pinning their hopes on Ynnead is pretty bleak.
Ynnead can give them a peaceful death where their souls are not consumed by Slaanesh. That's defeating Slaanesh in one respect; her hold on the Eldar soul is broken.
Then Ynnead sets up the Rhana Dandra which kills all the Eldar, reaves their souls and then sods off into the depths of the warp, their purpose completed.
The eldar are saved from Slaanesh in death, but the rest of the galaxy isn't...
With this being a faction obsessed with prophecy and foresight, I'd weigh in on that for their internal conflict. E.g. Ynnead. The prophecy was that he'll be born to slay Slaanesh when the last Eldar dies. His premature birth makes a mockery of that prophecy. Should it inspire hope, that prophecies are malleable so the Eldar can return to their former glory? Or was it a misreading, that he'll be born and then slay Slaanesh only after the last Eldar dies? The schism within Craftworld and Commorite societies can afford to be more philosophical.
I like to think that all humanoid races were made by the Old Ones in a parody of the Necrontyrs' image. That's why Necrons hate them, Tyranids know how to digest them, etc. Eldar and Humanity created as master and servant races? Ok. Inter-breeding? No thank you. Mental compatibility is strained enough, biological compatibility is non-existent. I've no doubt that Dark Eldar do that kind of thing for a disgust kink, but that's best left on R34 sites. This can be another source of internal conflict between those that see humans as wayward tools/cannon fodder (Iyanden) and those that see them as a plague (Biel-Tan). Depending on point of view, Guilliman or the Emperor being called the Sword of Khaine either makes sense or is extremely offensive.
Edit: Also there's the idea that Eldar and Humanity were made close enough that the Eldar gods bless humans too. You don't see much of that, what with them all being dead except for Isha (helping Imperials cure plagues), Cegorach (sending Harlequins to kill mankind's enemies half the time) and Khaine (attacks everyone anyway). Ynnead can make this obvious by empowering humans who sacrifice against chaos. Maybe by absorbing their souls before they get torn apart. The Imperium wouldn't know about this but Eldar seers would be split on it. Maybe Guilliman is the equivalent to a Phoenix Lord for the Ynnari.
While I think some of your ideas are decent. I dont mind half-eldar, and I agree with you on GW doing shitty writing. The big issues I have with the humans and eldar were meant to intermingle is that Slannesh didn't show up untill the old ones were gone. So this wouldn't have even been a thing for the old ones to create a second race to save their first race. I think the biggest issue they have is that the eldar are in the twilight and we are forever stuck in M41. I would rather see them loose the old "elves are a dying race" trope, and I would like to see them doing a small redemption, not enough to make them a viable empire but enough to get them stable. Allow them to free Isha from Nurgle's grasp. With her help they find a way to fuse back Khine into a full god again, Khine, Isha, Cerrogoth and Yanned (Although I would like to retcon him out) go battle slannesh, cut her open and other eldar gods come out. With their power and Slannesh weaker the eldar no longer have to struggle to be reborn. the Dark eldar are still there, as even though slannesh is weaker, they are easy pray and so they have to keep the immortality scheme they have going to not be eaten by her. As well they know that they are such hedonists and bad people that the old Eldar gods wont treat them kindly before rebirth. Then leave them there. the craftworlds become a small struggling empire that isnt immediately concerned with their own demise. You can add some of the intermingling with humanity as maybe some small factions of humanity will be interested in their cause. Honestly though I see more an issue with that on the side of the Imperium and their xenophobic ways.
My biggest complaint with GW is that the Eldar have to be everyone's punching bag. I think giving them some cool redemption would be good for the fans of the faction and 40k in general. Space marines shouldn't be the only heroes in the setting, hell they are not even supposed to be heroes. I think the other thing that they need to do, is go back to humanity really struggling. give chaos space marines more traction as bad guys, show other races actually hammering humanity. Necrons have super advanced tech but litterally always loose, same with Tau. I think GW needs to really reassess where they want the story to go to and force their writers to actually follow this cannon.
To be honest the original GW content is so weak, I'm always happy when people like you take a stab at it and fix it like a good mechanic!
Awesmone as always!
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As someone who has grown up with a basic idea of rassismus, I think the idea of Eldar being meant to interbreed with humans an interesting idea, just as Exile says, it would cause a massive split in the eldar community. I feel like this plays a bit into Halo lore, where the humans were always meant to exist and such. Kamikaze for the elder gods! *Queue Reclaimer by Miracle of Sound*
The idea of "half-elves" in the lore is not even unknown. That was the original backstory to Chief Librarian Tigurius. He was a half eldar, hence why his was so psychically gifted.
This is a bad take, man. Ynnead isn't new lore. That stretches waaayyy back.
The eldar don't need to kill Slanesh. They just need to break their ability to eat an eldar soul on death. That Slanesh get dibs on all eldar souls is weird anyways. It's still Canon that humanity created Khorne during the medieval age from all the bloodshed. Why doesn't he get all human souls?
Okay, I’mgonna disagree with “what did Ynnead” come from: I think the explanation should be “whilst the Eldar were effectively immortal they paid no heed to death; however with the birth of Slaanesh and the death of the majority of the pantheon Ynnead’s power began to wax. With Eldar now experiencing “death” worship of Ynnead began to emerge (yes this would need to be a retcon). Eventually they have enough power to create their avatar in Yvraine.
However Ynnead’s power stems from a dark place of true death. I like your Kamikaze idea: the Yvraine is essentially an avatar of the death of the Eldar. “ALL Eldar die and Slaanesh goes with them” this is what stems conflict; Eldar accepting their hubris and understanding that to win this war means dying, but others will claim that they can defeat Slaanesh in other ways. Exodites will cling to their existence, Harlequins will consider Cegoragh’s path as appropriate. [edit to be continued]
I personally don't think the tragedy of the eldars is better than Tolkien elves but they are somewhat equal
I always hated the idea of the imperium eldar alliance, it's way too grimbright/modern GW for my taste. What l'd like to see would be them reaching out to the tau instead, because l fail to see an open minded imperium willingly integrating xenos in their ranks and even go so far as breedinh with them, whilest something like that would totally work with the greater good. It woukd also be playing with the theory of the ancient eldar creating the tau as their sucessor race, down to the japanese stuff.
Also isn't that some sweet irony how one of the japanese inspired faction spawned the abomination that is slaanesh..
God do l hate slaanesh, it's one of the main reasons l am generally pro ynnead. Imo for the moment following his story is the best and quickest way to kill off slaanesh and remove it from the setting for good.
Yeah I am also one who refuses to use that stupid ass word they made up . Both of em in fact, they are Eldar and Dark Eldar.
i mean you got what you wanted Ynnead is dead, the last crone sword is lost to slaanesh
Hey north I can't find your discord
I love this Northen. As a new player to the tabletop and getting into Eldar as my first army. “Biel Tan” and I do agree with everything you said about the Eldar. I hope they can breed with humans to make a new hybrid faction perhaps that can be introduced to the tabletop? Wishful thinking, but also Northen. Is there any books on the Eldar you recommend? I plan to go to Warhammer World soon and whenever I look for books on Eldar I come up empty handed.
GW doesn’t care about Eldar at best and the writers hate them at worst
@@Corvinuswargaming1444 I know…….. it’s unfortunate they don’t get enough love from them. All we really get is them being canon fodder for named Space Marines.
@@BearerWill17 Yep, and the rules writing reflects this too. Eldar in assault for example should be able to match Space Marines not from strength but from speed and finesse in close combat. In the current rules they get smashed by Primaris marines just because of poor rules and lore writing. I have suggested ways of improving Eldar in the past and the Marine players get upset if you want to make Eldar more powerful to reflect the established background.
@@Corvinuswargaming1444 they should be more powerful though in a lore sense. They survived the War in Heaven!!! The war that makes even the Horus Heresy look like a walk in the park and the Eldar stood tall while Necrons went night night and Krorks devolved into Orks……. Makes no sense honestly.
@@BearerWill17 it just seems like a consistent problem in general for GW to give non Space Marine factions their due. I understand it’s a business, they direct energy to the products that sell. But for Eldar they have barely even tried to make them more interesting and increase sales. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy of xenos factions get little support, sales are low, so therefore they the company don’t need to support them as much.
Good video dude, well agreed point. Even so, This is probably the first one of these which the changes I fully don’t agree with. In general I’m not really a fan of making more factions revolve around the emperor he’s only gotten more marry Sue over the years (literally anyone that questions him or turns against him is evil/stupid/killed or all 3 ) and believing in the emperor apparently now gives you powers that can work even inside necron null zones. Ynnead was fine they just needed to flesh it out a bit more. Hybrid eldar humans are fine in a clever loop hole and half elves are a fun element to add to 40k but I wouldn’t do that with the imperium, maybe a splinter faction some off shoot that could ally with other eldar forces or groups like the tau.
Wait, isn't this the plot of Babylon 5? XD
Hold up. Tolkien was one man. One old man. Warhammer elves have had how many minds inputting throughout the decades? Think we're in the thousands now?
Really like the fatalistic Eldar idea I’m just not keen on Human Eldar hybrids in the sexual reproduction way. To me that just feels like we wanna bang the the super hot elf lady and not a Neanderthal and Humans being so close they’re compatible thing. I think you could use Yvraiine in a similar way though. Simply make it a genetic modification or using Eldar tech to make a new species. Could be seen as them trying to make something that will endure past them or as them trying to “play god” in a method similar to the old ones. Could have some intense disagreements with certain craftworlds as some could be incredibly pissed and disgusted by the playing god thing.
Interesting vid North, but I think a lot of your opinions and complaints here are based on misconceptions. Ynnead and the prophecy surrounding it have been part of the lore for a long time. You ask why Ynnead didnt do anything when the Eldar fell, but thats because Ynnead didn't exist yet. Gods are made by the different races over time and Ynnead is supposed to be a god that is (due to Eldar belief) gestating in the warp and is supposed to be fully formed and "awakened" when the final Eldar dies and will then proceed to defeat Slaanesh. THAT is the prophecy. I kind of think it fitting that a rival God born of and empowered by Eldar deaths would be one to defeat Slaanesh. It's a lot cooler than the Eldar just abandoning what little hope they have left and "kamikaze-ing" themselves pointlessly...That doesn't fit them at all.
As for Eldar breeding with humans, we don't even know if that is still canonical possible do we? Think the only character confirmed to be half and half was Tigurius AGES ago. And that part of his lore seems to have been long retconned. GW making a goofy Christmas card with Yvraine and Guilliman doesn't mean they are leaning full-on into memes and making them canon.
Also, Ynnead is supposed to be pronounced IN-KNEE-ADD. Sounds much better for a godly being than IN-NEED lol
I like the Eldar but I really hate the Dark Eldar.
The Drukhari are just edge lords for edge sake. Like some pervert designer bdsm fantasy got out of hand. I don’t like their lore or their aesthetics - like ooh look how evil and spiky I am! Twirls moustache…
Didn’t really care for this rewrite. I agree with the god of death giving them hope takes away their tragic aspects so I found it weird when you kinda did the same thing but I a different way. Yours had some nuances which was cool but I found the Eldar and humans mixing a bit cringe.
The lore feels dead af. Everything feels like it has been reduced to its bones.. could just be me being bitter
Less Yvraine, more Lady Malys pls
Wohoo!!