New SRAM Red - Know This Before You Buy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- The New SRAM Red AXS is here. First look at the newest Wireless & Hydraulic Groupset. Big price tag, big improvements?
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£4600 for a groupset. FFS! I am sure it is very nice, but I think I'll pass.
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Absolute bargain 😂 I'd rather opt for something much cheaper and use the money for some nice trips!
i have a sram red bike and i think these levers/hoods are possibly more than i would like to spend on a bike i already like but the change in ergonomics and the buttons are probably going to wind up being worth it to me in the end. but i’m in the ‘bike race’ group of people.
Just for comparison, I paid £1100 for a current version Force D2 1x groupset and that includes cranks, BB, shifters, callipers etc. In 6 months time the OEM price will come down by quite a lot.
Will order soon !!!
It’s crazy to me that the high end groupsets cost as much as a used car!
you can get crap for £500 or better £5000 middle class is gone
Honestly I love the voice you guys have cultivated at Cade Media. While most of the cycling channels I used to follow have turned into content farms, you guys seem to remember that bikes are, in fact, fun. Sure we like new shiny things, but you don't really need that stuff to have fun. Keep your tongue in cheek, and keep doing what you're doing!
It was always going to be expensive but we all know it’ll be heavily discounted within 12 months. Feel they missed an opportunity to go below Shimano RRP. You’ve got to be a die hard sram fan to turn down dura ace for £2000 cheaper and go with this instead. It is very pretty though
counterpoint: dura ace doesnt come with a working power meter.
I was just gonna say. Sram axs depreciated as hard as tsla cars. I can't justify paying full retail upon this release.
And it'll come cheaper specced on top end bikes as well eventually. The power meter thing is pretty big as well, I have no idea how Shimano gets away with selling power meters that do no actually work.
@@NikeonaBikethey don’t cost £2000 though
At those prices no wonder the cycle trade is in trouble
My boy Jimmi with the Zero Lemon jersey ❤
Wtf is that price seriously 5200€ for a full group set. I mean ye it’s nice and everything but knowing I got brand new full set of red 6 months ago for 2000€(complete set with power meter) seems crazy this would cost 5200€
Well done on your deal for £2000 but the new levers/hoods look hideous.😏
It's not mktd for you or me.
I have 2 bikes with shimano 105 mechanical. Never, ever had a drop chain.
my one drops about every 10 ride onces…… is it because of the chain?
So do I. Broken 2 gear cables over the last 2 years.
I love my 105 mechanical.. I’ve had one dropped chain in a year and I ride 100+km a week..
@@faisalalsaiful3838 it's because you have your transmission not properly adjusted, either cause the cable tension is wrong, the derailleur is bend or your chain/cassette is wear off.
If things are properly adjusted is imposible to drop the chain with this group
@@faisalalsaiful3838 that's horrible, and yeah that shouldn't be happening. I've had like one or two chain drops in the last 5 years between shimano 105, ultegra, and grx. all mechanical.
This quote has to sum up the bike industry “people just expect group sets not to drop chains, and SRAMS group sets drop chains” damn right we expect that from a 4500£ group set 😂😂 my 10yo DA 9000 never dropped chains neither does my 9200
it's a sram problem, none of shimanos have this problem.
Yep, also with mechanical group sets, I think I dropped the chain once or twice in the last 4 years I owned my mechanical ultegra 11speed
I don't think it is as much a problem it seems more a set up issue.
Sram gives precise instructions on how their front mechs to be set up and the limit screws need to be spot on. You just have to be precise with the adjustments! I don't worry too much about that though as like Francis I just use 1 X! 👍
100% operator error, if it’s tuned and you correctly change gears it won’t drop. the end.
@@davidvonslingshot "if it doesn't drop while on the jig, not a problem" "operator error" good thing to tell yourself with a 4500 dollar groupset
I have Force 22 on four of my bikes. Was thinking about "upgrading" one bike to 12-speed, but I'll pass. I will be spending money to add weight to my bike and probably not have any significant benefits over what i currently have.
£4600 😳...,my whole custom build cost me only just over 5k & with that I've got a full Merida Reacto 4000 carbon frame set in size 56cm which came with CW carbon 440mm handle bars & a 380mm aero carbon seat post, full 105 12 speed hydraulic disc di2 groupset which i recently upgraded to from the mechanical Ultegra 8020 version, my rims are by Prime, 50mm carbon, the Black Edition layed in with Tpu tubes all wrapped up in 28mm Continental Gp5000s black chilli compound race tires, Specialized S-Works Romin II carbon printed saddle and last but not least PD-R8000 peddles....,think maybe that this groupset is only for show off's who has more money than sense or really for the serious bike racer.....
"think maybe that this groupset is only for show off's who has more money than sense" Although I agree, you did pay over £5k for a 105 bike so throwing stones and glass houses and such
You have done a great job covering the launch. great vid!
Those levers look just the best, the ability to get your hand round them 👌
I just wish they did a mechanical doubletap Force/Rival grouppo. Unpopular opinion, I love doubletap
You need to see a dr immediately
Get your life together
I bought a sensah groupset and they have kinda copied the doubletap shifting method, thought I would hate it but to be honest I actually like it :) would definitely get a sram groupset with it.
Ratio 12 speed works very well.
A 105 groupset shifts perfectly and doesn't drop a chain, even when you neglect it, even mechanical.
Even top racers would find it difficult to have a measurable gain from such a groupset.
This is only for OSPW dentists
Nah, I protest. This isn't for recreational riders. It's for top echelon. There's a wide chasm of experience there.
love the idea of high end products, but thats how many triban roadbikes? ;)
There is the change in front mech. The point stick to the hanger is rounded not squared like in the old one. And there is more contact surface between mech and hanger. Maybe it will help with droping the chain?
The shifters look sooo sick. Definitely grabbing a pair when they’re sold individually.
Thanks Cade Media!
nice to see a Cade Media video go back to a calmer more objective style.....backward combaibility is what works for me and as noted the upgrade path for rival/force users is the shifters/calipers. suggestions also that the new shifter design will come quickly to force level for all the 'normal' users.
really good video. Enjoyed that.
Love the Van Rysel. Looked cool. At that money, I'd go Campag just because it's a bit more bling.
I like to run a mixed group set. The sram/Shimano mix works very well. Been doing it for a decade plus. They tell you not to because it sells the whole groups set to you for a high price. I put a ton of miles on my bike and have not drop a chain. You could adjust your rear derailleur to make it the best.
Great quick review. Looks a great Groupset but having recently updated my groupset. I still went with Shimano as I have never faulted it and read too many reviews on sram being slow and poor shifting. Hopefully the new Red has resolved that.
Also Francis what watch do you wear and what strap?
yes agree GRX has the best hoods, and that says a lot with the ergonomics of the new red
So, it’s about 100 grams heavier than latest Ultegra and twice as expensive than Ultegra 🧐🧐
I don't know if ultra is weighted with all the cables and fluids, but Shimano is always been lighter than sram on the electronic groups. (RIP the ultralight sram 10speed doubletap)
@@8paolo96 I'm still riding 10speed doubletap on both my bikes. 😁
Ultegra R8100 with cables and battery weigh around 2600 g
@@757foks so basically the same weight with new Red. I mean 100 grams difference is not serious advantage when we are talking about such price difference
New Red is 51 grams lighter than Dura Ace
I would love to have longer levers. My dura-ace levers are just a bit too short for me to fit my whole hand on them. Also I preferred the older 6800 levers vs the r8000, they're just a bit too small.
For that price Campagnolo is suddenly back into the market.
lol yes; could be 🙂
And campag actually looks amazing unlike this which looks meh
Great video. There’s only so much you can improve on. Hopefully shimano gets out a fully wireless offering soon
As I don't race or ride particularly fast I couldn't justify the cost, though it does look nice. Do agree with Jimmi on the GRX shifters.
I have a Shimano Claris groupset, it is VERY hard to push the chain to the big ring on the front.
But at least I never get a chain drop.
No crankset for $3000 are you fng kidding me 😂😂 What a fng joke! Im going to laugh my ass off watching all these companies crash and burn as a direct result of pure unadulterated greed
They fixed/improved all the small issues with the last red and kept the price the same. Sounds good to me 😊
Did you weigh the bottom bracket? That might actually tip it over the claimed weight if not
never rode road bike. only mountainbikes. but to be impressed in 2024 with ability to brake with single finger is beyond me. and you have to pay that kind of money for that :O
I can brake with one finger on my rim brake road bike...
@@Silidons91 brake, badly....
Are those the new Fizik aeroweave shoes on Francis? I mean, they match the jersey perfectly, but more importantly, I am so jealous! Not that I need them, but damn how I'd love a pair of those in pink.
Dropping the chain 2x per year is actually outrageous. I've had my current bike since 2018, first 105 and now GRX Di2, and have yet to drop the chain off the front.
I have a request? Can you make an episode when you upgrade stock group? I have a gravel bike on GRX400(2x10) with limpy legs. When I just ride front 30T with cassette 11-34 is enough for moderate climbs. But last weekend I've travelled with panniers and it turns out that I have to push my bike uphill... I'm considering changing only casette on Deore 11-42, but I'm not sure if this is plug and play or should I but and extender for rear derailleur like road link/goat link.
Damn the quality of this video is very nice
Should road bikes adapt UDH so they can direct mount rear derailleurs?
I like the Kask Helmet. Is it suitable for a long and small head?
Can you use just the red shifters with non red brake calipers?
In the current financial climate I am curious how many they will sell...
Still plenty of dentists around
@@neilrobinson7965Except no one can afford dentists so even they’re a bit strapped for cash.
@@neilrobinson7965Shouldn't private equity hedge fund managers get some hate too?
Looks really sweet. In 5 yrs we'll all have these specs.
Curious to know what shoes Francis was riding in the video
Hoods are 5mm longer. Do you have to have a shorter stem to maintain standard position?
I am guessing the chainrings & powermeter are still 1 piece so you cannot change ring sizes for a different course unless you go and buy a complete powermeter 😞 .
I don't have any sram or campagnolo ride time or any of the mountain/gravel sets either... The idea for spending over 3 or 4 thousand USD on a thing that's just alright frightens me but I also want a proper head to head to compare is a 10 tooth good? How do they work under climbs or power shifts? Which one integrates 3rd party classified or other transmission solutions less bad?
With a one piece cassett how do you clean it properly?
Send back chainrings for replacement??
Flagship prices just to be almost on par with mid tier Shimano...yes please, I'll take two.
That bike 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nice overview! I can afford it, but I don't see the value in it for me.
you also got your hands on a RCR und not mentiond it once :D
Thanks Francis , and Jimmi ........well , did it drop ? AND. that groupset cost more than 2 of my bikes .....Doctors only ? Sheeeeeshimano
Hi, exists sram red cranks - wide type (chainline 47.5 and Q factor 150)?
Worth checking out GPLama's review also out today. He's been riding the groupset for a couple of months. Cutting to the chase, his view is positive.
Any review of the head unit? Or garmin not letting you?
I have serious envy over your tool wall 8(
Great review guys. Can’t chain drop be avoided entirely if the front mech is set up right? I’ve got around 7k Km on my current bike without a chain drop. It’s an 11 speed 105.
You avoided chain drop by buying Shimano
Which head unit did they bundle with it? Is it the new Karoo? I'd love to see a review on it if so.
Yeah it must be
Hopefully touched the rotors before the chain, otherwise make sure they're cleaned 👀
the chrome accents on the crank set look like they are pointing the wrong way like you’re supposed to pedal backwards. deal breaker
Even with all my carbon upgrades, wheels, stem, bar etc this is still move expensive than my whole bike 😆 On the upside it looks very pretty 😍
Looks great but I’ll personally never buy another sram groupset until they change their brake bleeding process. Makes shamans the better choice on that alone
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
For me the Shimano 12speed di2 are more argonomic
I had a SRAM force groupset. The pedal/crank interface failed and the levers were made of a unique blend of cheese. So I'd be very reluctant to part with cash for a SRAM groupset.
I thought those were rebranded grx di2 levers, so it wasn't a prank....
Visually quite disjointed to my eye, with the callipers and rear derailleur looking like they belong to a different groupset. It's mostly black with silver accents, but then that's inverted for those components.
Are the lever bodies/hoods (as opposed to the levers themselves) quite similar to the Rival shape?
also 6:11, I walk my dog there. Just between Birtley and Ouston right?
Shame no new sram rim brake groupsets will come out, nice to see shimano still offer an ultegra and dura ace 12 speed di2 rim brake version.
Why do electric derailleurs have limit screws?
Jimmy Greasy Fingers,,,good cowboy name. AND the wipe board thing, scrapeheap challenge.
@5:!5 Yeah: The technology will always trickle down and the price for that (lower ranges) will always go up...
£4600 I can buy whole full built TCR PRO with ultegra di2 for cost off this group set
rainbow Effect !!!! lolz "oil slick"
Not wrong there, Jimmy Trade, for just the lever is £1261 & £1800 RRP. 😮
The fact that the chainrings cannot be replaced by the user simply shows this thing isn't meant for mortals like you and me. A pro team? Sure, they have the mechanics and the sponsorships to make it work.
Please can someone explain 35/48 chainrings? If 34/50 is considered compact, dare I say for mountains residents or beginners. Does this mean the Red crankset is targeted towards those living in the mountains or people getting into cycling with deep pockets?
SRAM has a 10t at the rear. Shimano’s smallest is an 11t
The irony is that despite SRAM’s marketing efforts, pro’s don’t like the smaller front rings.
Since that means using the smaller cogs at the rear leading to more drivetrain losses.
Obviously for sprinters having an extra tooth may be helpful.
Although one piece cassetes look dope, i hate to buy every 2 chains another cassette because 2 cogs are too worn out to be used with a third chain.. especially with those super expensive sram cassetes (XX1)
The price of this makes no sence at all
More expensive than the Campagnolo Super Record Wireless.
There are always people buying it. Not me, not you, not us, but some people. Therefore it makes sense.
I've never liked the look of SRAM gruppos. And I have to say, the new design is still meh to me.
Plus I hate that they use dot 5 for their brakes, and that the kit to purge your brake liquid is $150 (CAD).
The only company that makes good looking groupsets is still Campagnolo. Their gruppos are also the most ergonomic of the bunch.
Agree 100% but the problem is replacement Campy components are so freaking hard to get your hands on these days. After 35 years of riding nothing but Campy my next build will be with SRAM, not this version but .......
imho you'd have to be literal milionaire for this purchase to make sense. otherwise it's just unwise. i'm sure it's great groupset though.
I bet 45g is almost exactly what the mounting hardware for the rotors weighs.
too heavy for that price. dura ace is lighter and cheaper
Shifters remind me of grx
No 10-44 cassette, which is disappointing. For the 1x riders, we'll have to stick to the Rival/Force pinned cassettes.
The 1x Red XPLR is supposedly coming out later in the year.
Comparisons to the new drops by WheelTop, Magene and LTwoo. I'm sure SRAM have tested it to death, the Chinese offerings are still ironing out issues. But still too expensive.
At least finally only 1 FD. So you can run 46 and up to the 56. Finally like the good ol days. Last version was terrible for that and too expensive having to buy a new FD for people who run 52+
sad its not a t-type groupset
CADE Media : No this before you buy.
Everybody : 3000£ or more ? Oh by the way, i can't buy.
Do the batteries weigh more when they're fully charged?
Technically, yes, but a normal scale will not measure the difference.
@@squngy0 how much do electrons weigh
According to physics yes
@@savagepro9060It's not the weight of electrons, it's literally the weight of energy. m=E/c²
@@swe223 I asked. I received answer. I Googled for confirmation: A box of light weighs more than an empty box. The reason is that ALL forms of energy have weight. However, under ordinary earthly conditions, the weight of light is insignificant compared to other weights.
Going to attract the attention of "Opportunistic Magpies" riding with this through DMR Congo, or affiliated regions of the 🌏
Why do all groupset manufacturers start with 'S'? SRAM, Shimano, Suntour, Sugino, Sampagnolo?
Son't know
Less than £300 for my eltwoo electronic groupset 😂
Mechanical 105 here, i never drop my chain.
Lets hope I win the lottery then.. 😅
Interesting. Have been seeing more 2 by sets. 1 by seem to be on their way out.
Next stop 3by😂😂😂😂
I always think it's hilarious when people point out that the only reason some people buy these extremely overpriced parts for their bikes is to try to impress other people. If you're so insecure that you have to spend thousands of dollars because you think other people will be impressed, well, I feel sorry for you. My thoughts when I see a $14,000 bike is "what an idiot", and then I drop them and move along. It's not like cars where you can actually buy speed with money. You're the motor on your bike, and no amount of money is going to make you faster, you actually have to do the work.
Where do these groupset manufacturers come up with these prices? You could buy a good second hand car for the price of a groupset these days. Utterly taking the piss.