Trying to find ways to explain this to my bank account 😂 Worked at a high end bike shop for a while where selling a €6k bike was something normal that happened to each colleague 3 times a day.... I remember being not-impressed by ultegra builds even though I wasn't able to afford them😅
Chain plate 383 @11:25 does show some scratches. Not sure if those are cracks. It would be unfortunate if the E1 chains crack as easily as other SRAM chains.
I've been waiting for this groupset to drop to buy my dream build all-road bike and it appears worth the wait. I own bikes with both the 1st and 2nd generation Red Axs and personally never felt the front end shifting was a problem, but the levers do appear to be a nice improvement and I like that they defaulted to what was a harder to find medium cage in the back.
SRAM is really cranking out beautiful stuff these days. Have ridden with a force etap once it was set up the shifting was amazing can't wait to run the new red.
9:04 As a matter of fact, this data is available to anyone with a Shimano Di2 groupset which is synced to your bike compute! I have Ultegra Di2 from 2019 with a wireless unit synced to my Garmin Edge and I can view the same shifting telemetry
The battery notifications are the same as well. On my Garmin I get notifications on all my sensors if one needs battery replacement or recharging (which includes Di2). It also helps Di2's much larger battery means it's a long time before I need to charge it anyways. Didn't know Sram didn't have that feature yet for a while, along with the extra shifter buttons as well.
@@gcn The new Red AXS seems simply awesome. Enjoyed Si's review and his astute observation that evolving was the best course. Impressive with the feedback they have received from the pros and that they have reacted so quickly. Am half tempted to go out and spec a build at Orbea for a new Orca OMX. I don't need it, would simply like it. I own my dream bike, a 2020 OMX with Ultegra Di2. As a recreational albeit committed cyclist, I cannot logically justify it as I think the marginal gain would be lost on me. But I can always be talked into fun experiences. What do you think about the new Orbea OMX? It seems like that new frame could really take advantage of the new Red AXS.
that's the comments I've been seeing.....they say the internals are pretty similar? lighter and more cuts but similar shape...people love the ergo and look of the hoods ...they do look way less chunky lol compared to my force
Interesting choice of pedal system and the reason I noticed that is because truthfully, Im a pleb and cant afford the groupset BUT that doesnt take away from the fact that my 105 Di2 is a peach of a groupset.🥳
Yes the backwardcompatibility is absolutely stunning. I would not make any changes because of weight but I could later upgrade the grips because of the ergonomics the fact that my new bike has old sram red but first I go to the bikefitter to make him do final adjustments and then I will during the summer find out what I want. I also have the new dura ace and these grips are awesome and fast and effortsless to use which is nice on long descends on gran canaria but here in Denmark the slower old Redbrakes are doing absolutely fine.
I am very happy brands are starting to wake up to crank length. I use 150mm cranks so to me seeing that rival and red (I don’t know what they were thinking with force) now have a 160mm option is good sign that everyone is not only looking at chainring sizes and gear ratios in terms of where to improve. Hopefully sometime not in the far distant future they can get down to 150mm to give options to those whom are shorter or have shorter legs.
@@gcn Yes and no. Yes because now that everyone sees Tadej use 165mm cranks given his height I think more people are questioning the historical perspective on crank length. I also say no because I know in mountain biking people are going as far down as 135mm, so that could eventually be a "trickled down mtb tech to road bike" situation much like how disc brakes were. I think this is more of the fact that the cycling industry started with taller riders in mind and completely ignored those shorter, and now that manufacturers are making shorter cranks those taller cyclists call them short cranks while us shorter cyclists call them normal cranks, it is all relative. My honest opinion, it is simple physics. Yes a longer crank has more leverage but the turning circle just to spin the cranks are so much bigger that top dead center becomes really wide and you can only really start pedaling around 3-4 o'clock position on the cranks as opposed to 12-1 o'clock position. I am 5'7", I use 150mm cranks (rotor is the only company that easily provides that short for road bikes) and the longest I would ever use is 165, but even with 165 it just does not feel right. Jan Frodeno, the greatest triathlete of all time, is a beautiful example of this. He is a very tall guy, has a saddle height of 860mm and rides a crank length of 172.5. When you look at the ratio of his saddle height:crank length, this is where you can numerically see what is going on. His ratio si 4.985 while for someone like me, using 165mm cranks (675mm saddle height with 165 crank length), I have a ratio of 4.09 monumentally closed hip angle compared to Jan (experienced bike fitters can someone argue here individual limb length in the overall leg length will make somewhat of a difference, I am stating all this from a generality perspective). In order for me to be equal to Jan in hip angles, I would need around a 145-150mm crank length, and keep in mind when you change crank length, not only does your hip open up due to the shorter cranks, you need to minimum raise your saddle whatever the difference in crank length is (if you shorten by 10mm, minimum you will raise saddle by 10mm). The reason I say minimum, a lot of times when you switch to a shorter crank length, your stability on the saddle pedaling increases so much that it warrants more of a height increase than you would mathematically think; with a 10mm crank shortening difference this could cause a 15mm to 20mm saddle height increase. Lets take a look at Tadet Pogacar. just a couple years ago, he used 172.5 mm cranks, last year he used 170mm cranks, and now this year he is using 165mm cranks. From a GCN video on his bike when he used 172.5mm cranks, according to them his saddle height was 730mm. Now he is on 165mm, so lets for the sake of simple math assume he has raised his saddle 7-8mm (he most likely is around 1-1.5cm higher but lets keep the math simple). That would give him a saddle height of around 738mm, which his saddle height:crank length ratio would calculate out to ~4.46. For me to achieve Tadet's ratio, optimally I will need 150 or 155mm cranks. For those whom don't have any issues, likely you are taller and your crank length was already fine, but for those shorter, they were always too long and we are just finally starting to get options.
@@Numeriwar right. Nobody here is saying that bike manufacturers spec their bikes with a correct crank length for the general population, I am saying the opposite.
It's a step in the right direction. People shouldn't have to go to Rotor or Crodor for cranks that fit just because they're 5'7" or under. My 20-y-o daughter is 5'2" and the last few years have been a study on sourcing short cranks that don't cost more than her second-hand bike and then sourcing chainrings that fit their non-standard spiders. 🤯 Obviously there's no hyperglide on the front! The two critical dimensions for the biomechanical interface with the power source (your legs) are the distance from saddle to bottom bracket and the crank length. It is as important as being in the right gear. The leverage issue is a fallacy, it actually cancels out against the leverage of the rider's limbs. Shorter limbs with shorter bones have more leverage meaning they apply more force but move less distance. Decreasing crank length proportionally to the rider will decrease the distance required and increase the force required in proportion to those of the rider. Similarly, tall riders need longer cranks because their long limbs can't apply as much force to the pedals but they can move a greater distance. The mainstream cycling industry isn't backwards, it's just profit-orientated. They will change when consumers get more clued-up to their biomechanical, which I believe is happening now that bike fits are becoming more popular following the decline in steel frames and hence the custom frame industry. Hopefully we'll see 155, 150 and 145mm crank options from mainstream brands in the next few years.
I got rid of my Giant Propel with the previous sram Red. Wasn't happy with the levers and the noticable delay in shifting compared to shimano. The Quark powermeter though was top.
My 9-year-old rim brake Etap groupset is still 500g lighter, so referring to weight savings as a selling point is useless. Where I think Sram is winning is that the groupsets are backward compatible. I can upgrade to Disc, and all I need to buy is the new shifters/callipers, which will still work with my existing 11-speed setup. Having said that, the cost of Levers, callipers and rotors is more than what I paid for the etap upgrade kit which included levers and both derailleurs.
I like all these world tour wins statistics but it's not really fair when you consider it's mostly thanks to jumbo-visma. For instance in the final giro time trail, when SRAM drops a chain and Primoz manages to take the win with an adrenaline and rage fueled sprint to the top of the mountain.
Half of them were Visma, but bear in mind that SRAM haters a few years ago said it was impossible to win on Red, regardless of the team. Sounds pretty stupid now doesn’t it?
Huge missed opportunity to highlight the magic pulley wheels that SRAM brought over from the MTB side for the rear derailleur. It's a pretty insane party trick to watch the feature engage when the pulley wheel gets jammed and the outer ring of the pulley wheel keeps spinning. A very cool feature for sure and the kind of innovation you don't see right now, or really ever, from Shimano.
The three thousand dollars/pounds/euros price doesn't include the crankset. The Quarq PM crank is anothe $1200, or $700 for the acoustic version. So were looking at $3700 or $4200 for a groupset. And we wonder why bikes cost $10,000
I sure hope the pogo connecting pins on the derailleurs have been improved. One of the springs in the pins unexpectedly broke on me and wouldn't make a full circuit with the battery but managed to bodge it with a bit of aluminium foil between the battery and connecting pin, needs a stronger more durable spring.
Hi Si, Great video, as always! I’m a big fan! I have what may be unusual question about those bonus buttons on the new SRAM Red E1 hoods : I’m considering the new SRAM RED E1 Gear Shifters and brake levers for new bike I am buildinG I have limited functionalities in my right hand, so I need to be able to shift gears up and down with one hand only. For example, if my left lever is used to shift to an EASIER gear, can I program the bonus button on the left hood to shift into the HARDER gear??, essentially, the bonus button would do a function that is opposite to the shift lever on the same side… as for the right side, I’m not concerned about it, as long as I will be able to shift gears UP AN DOWN With the left lever and the bonus button on the left hood. Thank you!
Looks great and the weight says it all. As for gearing I” would like to try the 50/37 up front with the 10/36 cassette. Would sram put the customer where to buy . Guess sram will be at the national cycling show , yeh look forward to see 👍🏻
Two questions here, one for the new groupset, does it now use mineral oil instead of the bloody dot liquid for the hydraulic breaks or is that still the same? Im running the now old version, and that's the main issue for me, besides the push notifications on low battery isn't always working either. The second questions is, why does it look like Si is running with mtb tire pressures?
@@gcn thanks for the replay! to bad about the fluid but thanks for letting me know Si is a bit whack ;) I use silcas calculator, so I should be somewhat up to date myself :P
Can it fit on my '84 Raleigh Corsa though? Or is it disc brake only? If not, no sale and I'll stick with my 11-speed 105 (which was all but indistinguishable to dura-ace by GCN a couple of years ago). 🤣
I can't afford this, but it is stunning, Sram do put effort to make its product standout visually. Although I do have to point out that no a single part on this group is in red color..
There’s lots of info on how the ergonomics of the new shifters are different from the last Red shifters, but any idea on how they compare to the latest Force shifter?
Are there no updated for the timetrial components? those sram wireless blibs are garbidge. A more ergonomic wireless solution would be very cool…especially for the aerobars. …amd somehow that batteries are easy replacable
56 : 10.... it's just insane to think of someone pushing that gear. Also, 136 grams of weight savings is equivalent to about 5 ounces of water -- or a couple of swigs from a water bottle. Just to keep it in perspective...
They def only use 56/10 downhill. Because at 100rpm you would be doing 44 mph which none of them do on the flat apart from sprinting in the on occasion.
What about the pedals? I haven't seen gcn ever taking a close look at time pedals. A test and comparison with the other road pedals would be interesting
I think especially the new grips and better pulleys are topmost but I purchased a new outlet Aeroad CFR with the now old sram red knowing that this was coming to release soon. It's nice that it is backward compatible so if I don't like the ergonomics I could exchange the grips. I have the new dura ace on ultimate and these brakes requires less effort than the now old sram red and this is the bike I use for Gran Canaria in winter. But the slower old Sram red braking power does not affect my ride here in Denmark. To save weight maybe it would be better to upgrade the wheel set on your bike.
Wow those silver calipers are absolutely gorgeous. I already have Sram because I prefer the braking feel over Shimano, it's hard to believe these would be even better. I think I'm in love... Sadly they don't make an XPLR version - are the shift levers compatible with the lower tier XPLR derailleurs? If they are, I'm going to need a chat with my bank.
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
srams testing shows the 10t is still efficient...... what does that mean? can they release data of 48/35 on 10t vs say 52/36 on 11t? I just think that like crank lengths are an option, so too should the chain ring sizes, as the cost to purchase larger aftermarket is pretty mega. And as TT bikes etc are also oem equipped, a TT bike with 48/35 is just.... not right. Other than that it looks like a fantastic update to their flagship groupset. Wonder what the other big S is going to do....
I do wish GCN would get a new camera bike. It makes every test bike sound like it hasn't been lubed for years when in fact it isn't a noisy bike at all.
happiest about backward compatibility and improved lever/brakes.....not about increased pad clearance will reduce any rub and make set up easier. I will wait to upgrade shifters/brakes or wait for force version..and leave other existing components at force/rival level.
What do you think of the new SRAM Red AXS groupset? 😍
Overpriced.
@@Alex-gl2dw SRAM do offer groupsets at every budget.
Well ya sold me on it…
Goodbye $3000…
Drool!
Extra buttons on the hoods, head unit integration - they finally caught up with Shimano 9 speed Flight Deck.
I always love watching videos of things I most definitely do not need and cannot afford.
How to spot a true bike nerd! We love it 🙌
I agree. New fancy bikes, sail boats, planes and sports cars. None of which I can afford, but love watching the videos…
@@celsodossantosjr113❤
Welcome to the club 😅
Trying to find ways to explain this to my bank account 😂
Worked at a high end bike shop for a while where selling a €6k bike was something normal that happened to each colleague 3 times a day.... I remember being not-impressed by ultegra builds even though I wasn't able to afford them😅
I am just glad too see GCN upload 4k content
makes it look even better doesn't it?!
More excitedly GCN finally enters the 21st century uploading 4k videos.
The cracking on the chain plate @ 11:27 is just hilarious 🫣
Chain plate 383 @11:25 does show some scratches. Not sure if those are cracks. It would be unfortunate if the E1 chains crack as easily as other SRAM chains.
I've been waiting for this groupset to drop to buy my dream build all-road bike and it appears worth the wait. I own bikes with both the 1st and 2nd generation Red Axs and personally never felt the front end shifting was a problem, but the levers do appear to be a nice improvement and I like that they defaulted to what was a harder to find medium cage in the back.
#marryme 😂
These new levers are amazing! So comfy and feel effortless to pull, which sounds weird as the previous ones were easy!
You'll love the new groupset! What bike is this going on? 👀
@@gcn ENVE Fray, unless I can get a screaming deal on a Melee. Cheers!
SRAM is really cranking out beautiful stuff these days. Have ridden with a force etap once it was set up the shifting was amazing can't wait to run the new red.
Nice to see they kept the price sky high.
The spirit of Sachs is still well & alive 😂 25 yrs later 💸
It's top of the line. Price it like Sora?
@@ralphcole674 No, just don't price it 20x what it actually costs to make.
Why not price £2k where like £500 more than SRAM red axs on release
Same price of the first version with bunch of added benefits
9:04 As a matter of fact, this data is available to anyone with a Shimano Di2 groupset which is synced to your bike compute! I have Ultegra Di2 from 2019 with a wireless unit synced to my Garmin Edge and I can view the same shifting telemetry
The battery notifications are the same as well. On my Garmin I get notifications on all my sensors if one needs battery replacement or recharging (which includes Di2). It also helps Di2's much larger battery means it's a long time before I need to charge it anyways. Didn't know Sram didn't have that feature yet for a while, along with the extra shifter buttons as well.
Another thorough and fun run through - thank you.
you're welcome! What do you think of the new Red AXS?
@@gcn The new Red AXS seems simply awesome. Enjoyed Si's review and his astute observation that evolving was the best course. Impressive with the feedback they have received from the pros and that they have reacted so quickly.
Am half tempted to go out and spec a build at Orbea for a new Orca OMX. I don't need it, would simply like it. I own my dream bike, a 2020 OMX with Ultegra Di2. As a recreational albeit committed cyclist, I cannot logically justify it as I think the marginal gain would be lost on me. But I can always be talked into fun experiences.
What do you think about the new Orbea OMX? It seems like that new frame could really take advantage of the new Red AXS.
Si's a man of conviction. Intending one's puns should be the norm.
And I love my SRAM Axs ! Should have got it when it came out. Totally changed cycling!
Havent seen that paintjob on the canyon before. Combined with the way its decked out, wheels, groupset, saddle.... Makes me drool
It's a beauty isn't it
Was a bit of a dream shoot if we're honest 🔥
After Checking the price of new Karoo , I am happy with my 40% discounted Karoo 2 I got few months ago.
Now that we have this out of the way, can we get on with the 13 speed fully wireless Shimano GRX already? I have a bike waiting impatiently for this!
I think they will sell more units of the Hoods + Brake calipers, I will be on the look out for a good price later down the line!
You seem to be sold on the idea!
Bye self maintaining y bike
Agree, I just with they weren’t chromed. Really doesn’t match my bike 😂
that's the comments I've been seeing.....they say the internals are pretty similar? lighter and more cuts but similar shape...people love the ergo and look of the hoods ...they do look way less chunky lol compared to my force
Interesting choice of pedal system and the reason I noticed that is because truthfully, Im a pleb and cant afford the groupset BUT that doesnt take away from the fact that my 105 Di2 is a peach of a groupset.🥳
Isn't it so cool how great modern groupsets are 🙌
Great update to the top groupset! Impressive weight gains (especially for pro riders)
Already racking up a pro win is very impressive 👌 Would you use it?
Yes the backwardcompatibility is absolutely stunning. I would not make any changes because of weight but I could later upgrade the grips because of the ergonomics the fact that my new bike has old sram red but first I go to the bikefitter to make him do final adjustments and then I will during the summer find out what I want. I also have the new dura ace and these grips are awesome and fast and effortsless to use which is nice on long descends on gran canaria but here in Denmark the slower old Redbrakes are doing absolutely fine.
LOVE the videography!
Amazing produced video. Cheers guys!
Thanks!
The levers are also more aero not protruding up so much. Yes it does make a difference. That’s how I run my levers.
Love the Time pedals!
Not only is the new Sram Red set great, Simon is also perfect as always and looks smart.
Awesome group set - just wait a few years for it all to trickle down now…. More importantly - where did you film?! Got to get a ride there!
The climb up there can be savage. Its here maps.app.goo.gl/pC42cAcJ1kFomtH89
Levers feel better in the hand for sure.
Still running 2008 sram red here. Still the lighest groupset ever.
I love it. Parts to aspire to acquire.
Where was this shot? Scotland? Amazing.
It's amazing isn't it! Brecon Beacons area!
The new levers are lovely!
It's only for racers with aero fingers, they look fast and they probly save .023 watts. You need them
@@LaurentiusTriarius they are really comfortable
I am very happy brands are starting to wake up to crank length. I use 150mm cranks so to me seeing that rival and red (I don’t know what they were thinking with force) now have a 160mm option is good sign that everyone is not only looking at chainring sizes and gear ratios in terms of where to improve. Hopefully sometime not in the far distant future they can get down to 150mm to give options to those whom are shorter or have shorter legs.
Shorter cranks are getting really popular! 🙌 Do you think it's being driven by the pro trend to go shorter?
@@gcn Yes and no. Yes because now that everyone sees Tadej use 165mm cranks given his height I think more people are questioning the historical perspective on crank length. I also say no because I know in mountain biking people are going as far down as 135mm, so that could eventually be a "trickled down mtb tech to road bike" situation much like how disc brakes were. I think this is more of the fact that the cycling industry started with taller riders in mind and completely ignored those shorter, and now that manufacturers are making shorter cranks those taller cyclists call them short cranks while us shorter cyclists call them normal cranks, it is all relative.
My honest opinion, it is simple physics. Yes a longer crank has more leverage but the turning circle just to spin the cranks are so much bigger that top dead center becomes really wide and you can only really start pedaling around 3-4 o'clock position on the cranks as opposed to 12-1 o'clock position.
I am 5'7", I use 150mm cranks (rotor is the only company that easily provides that short for road bikes) and the longest I would ever use is 165, but even with 165 it just does not feel right.
Jan Frodeno, the greatest triathlete of all time, is a beautiful example of this. He is a very tall guy, has a saddle height of 860mm and rides a crank length of 172.5. When you look at the ratio of his saddle height:crank length, this is where you can numerically see what is going on. His ratio si 4.985 while for someone like me, using 165mm cranks (675mm saddle height with 165 crank length), I have a ratio of 4.09 monumentally closed hip angle compared to Jan (experienced bike fitters can someone argue here individual limb length in the overall leg length will make somewhat of a difference, I am stating all this from a generality perspective). In order for me to be equal to Jan in hip angles, I would need around a 145-150mm crank length, and keep in mind when you change crank length, not only does your hip open up due to the shorter cranks, you need to minimum raise your saddle whatever the difference in crank length is (if you shorten by 10mm, minimum you will raise saddle by 10mm). The reason I say minimum, a lot of times when you switch to a shorter crank length, your stability on the saddle pedaling increases so much that it warrants more of a height increase than you would mathematically think; with a 10mm crank shortening difference this could cause a 15mm to 20mm saddle height increase.
Lets take a look at Tadet Pogacar. just a couple years ago, he used 172.5 mm cranks, last year he used 170mm cranks, and now this year he is using 165mm cranks. From a GCN video on his bike when he used 172.5mm cranks, according to them his saddle height was 730mm. Now he is on 165mm, so lets for the sake of simple math assume he has raised his saddle 7-8mm (he most likely is around 1-1.5cm higher but lets keep the math simple). That would give him a saddle height of around 738mm, which his saddle height:crank length ratio would calculate out to ~4.46. For me to achieve Tadet's ratio, optimally I will need 150 or 155mm cranks.
For those whom don't have any issues, likely you are taller and your crank length was already fine, but for those shorter, they were always too long and we are just finally starting to get options.
Still bike manufacturers fit 172,5mm cranks on 54cm bikes...
@@Numeriwar right. Nobody here is saying that bike manufacturers spec their bikes with a correct crank length for the general population, I am saying the opposite.
It's a step in the right direction. People shouldn't have to go to Rotor or Crodor for cranks that fit just because they're 5'7" or under. My 20-y-o daughter is 5'2" and the last few years have been a study on sourcing short cranks that don't cost more than her second-hand bike and then sourcing chainrings that fit their non-standard spiders. 🤯 Obviously there's no hyperglide on the front!
The two critical dimensions for the biomechanical interface with the power source (your legs) are the distance from saddle to bottom bracket and the crank length. It is as important as being in the right gear.
The leverage issue is a fallacy, it actually cancels out against the leverage of the rider's limbs. Shorter limbs with shorter bones have more leverage meaning they apply more force but move less distance. Decreasing crank length proportionally to the rider will decrease the distance required and increase the force required in proportion to those of the rider. Similarly, tall riders need longer cranks because their long limbs can't apply as much force to the pedals but they can move a greater distance.
The mainstream cycling industry isn't backwards, it's just profit-orientated. They will change when consumers get more clued-up to their biomechanical, which I believe is happening now that bike fits are becoming more popular following the decline in steel frames and hence the custom frame industry.
Hopefully we'll see 155, 150 and 145mm crank options from mainstream brands in the next few years.
I got rid of my Giant Propel with the previous sram Red. Wasn't happy with the levers and the noticable delay in shifting compared to shimano. The Quark powermeter though was top.
What do you make of the new changes? Enough to bring you back onto Red? ⚙
SRAM: “If you have this textured hood level, then this is the optimal lever position”
Andrew Feather: *Screams internally*
😂
My 9-year-old rim brake Etap groupset is still 500g lighter, so referring to weight savings as a selling point is useless. Where I think Sram is winning is that the groupsets are backward compatible. I can upgrade to Disc, and all I need to buy is the new shifters/callipers, which will still work with my existing 11-speed setup. Having said that, the cost of Levers, callipers and rotors is more than what I paid for the etap upgrade kit which included levers and both derailleurs.
Simple & elegant design ❤
Pretty special right 👀
I love that whole bike!
Beautiful, love the polished accents.
❤
Nice, let's hope to see $25k+ bikes in the near future. I was worried where I was going to spend my next weekly pay check.
I like all these world tour wins statistics but it's not really fair when you consider it's mostly thanks to jumbo-visma. For instance in the final giro time trail, when SRAM drops a chain and Primoz manages to take the win with an adrenaline and rage fueled sprint to the top of the mountain.
Half of them were Visma, but bear in mind that SRAM haters a few years ago said it was impossible to win on Red, regardless of the team. Sounds pretty stupid now doesn’t it?
Huge missed opportunity to highlight the magic pulley wheels that SRAM brought over from the MTB side for the rear derailleur. It's a pretty insane party trick to watch the feature engage when the pulley wheel gets jammed and the outer ring of the pulley wheel keeps spinning. A very cool feature for sure and the kind of innovation you don't see right now, or really ever, from Shimano.
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The three thousand dollars/pounds/euros price doesn't include the crankset. The Quarq PM crank is anothe $1200, or $700 for the acoustic version. So were looking at $3700 or $4200 for a groupset. And we wonder why bikes cost $10,000
I sure hope the pogo connecting pins on the derailleurs have been improved. One of the springs in the pins unexpectedly broke on me and wouldn't make a full circuit with the battery but managed to bodge it with a bit of aluminium foil between the battery and connecting pin, needs a stronger more durable spring.
Great video Si, i wonder if we could config em extra hood buttoms to change music on spotify ? Cheers mate keep it up
Hi Si, Great video, as always! I’m a big fan! I have what may be unusual question about those bonus buttons on the new SRAM Red E1 hoods :
I’m considering the new SRAM RED E1 Gear Shifters and brake levers for new bike I am buildinG
I have limited functionalities in my right hand, so I need to be able to shift gears up and down with one hand only. For example, if my left lever is used to shift to an EASIER gear, can I program the bonus button on the left hood to shift into the HARDER gear??,
essentially, the bonus button would do a function that is opposite to the shift lever on the same side…
as for the right side, I’m not concerned about it, as long as I will be able to shift gears UP AN DOWN With the left lever and the bonus button on the left hood. Thank you!
Congratulations to Sram for catching up with the five year old TRP Hylex brake levers!
Wish you had talked more about the bike and if canyon is selling that model (new SRAM RED included)?
Where is the video filmed? Looks pretty lovely.
Looks great and the weight says it all. As for gearing I” would like to try the 50/37 up front with the 10/36 cassette. Would sram put the customer where to buy . Guess sram will be at the national cycling show , yeh look forward to see 👍🏻
oh look! Shimano's Gravel shifters........nice!!
11:51 It’s only the lightest on the market because they’ve removed the ones that were lighter from sale! 😅
Nice video, but did you guys forgot your ND filter and you had to film moving shot at f/22 and we can spot all your dust on your lens or sensor =p
Two questions here, one for the new groupset, does it now use mineral oil instead of the bloody dot liquid for the hydraulic breaks or is that still the same? Im running the now old version, and that's the main issue for me, besides the push notifications on low battery isn't always working either.
The second questions is, why does it look like Si is running with mtb tire pressures?
hi, the brake fluid is the same as before. As for Si and tyre pressures, he loves a low pressure!
@@gcn thanks for the replay!
to bad about the fluid but thanks for letting me know Si is a bit whack ;)
I use silcas calculator, so I should be somewhat up to date myself :P
If this is such a game changer, please do a comparison vs dura ace 12 speed and tell me what the positives are
My Campagnolo Mirage 9speed g-set works fine on my 2010 Planet X Pro Carbon, did 100miles on it last Thursday,no issues.
Can it fit on my '84 Raleigh Corsa though? Or is it disc brake only? If not, no sale and I'll stick with my 11-speed 105 (which was all but indistinguishable to dura-ace by GCN a couple of years ago). 🤣
Could always braze some disc brake mounts onto your Corsa?!
@@JonCannings I'd ruin the lovely orange sparkly powdercoating I got the frame! 😜
I can't afford this, but it is stunning, Sram do put effort to make its product standout visually. Although I do have to point out that no a single part on this group is in red color..
You're not the only one that has picked up on the Red 😉 Its pretty stunning though right 😍
Si has such a great job
So fortunate to be able to check out these new products isn't he?!
It's not a bad job 🤣 We had this shoot in the calendar for a while and we where very excited 🙌
7:49 "160mm crank length option for smaller riders or those at the forefront of bike fit"😅
There’s lots of info on how the ergonomics of the new shifters are different from the last Red shifters, but any idea on how they compare to the latest Force shifter?
Those levers look like a throwback to the 11 speed red etap, it looks really cool though
We see nothing wrong here 👀
Are there no updated for the timetrial components?
those sram wireless blibs are garbidge. A more ergonomic wireless solution would be very cool…especially for the aerobars.
…amd somehow that batteries are easy replacable
56 : 10.... it's just insane to think of someone pushing that gear. Also, 136 grams of weight savings is equivalent to about 5 ounces of water -- or a couple of swigs from a water bottle. Just to keep it in perspective...
For the top level pros this will make a BIG difference 💨
@@gcn Yep. For them. For the rest of us? 🤔
For sure. I have been able to drop 4.5 kilos over two months to get my weight down to 70.5 kg.
They def only use 56/10 downhill. Because at 100rpm you would be doing 44 mph which none of them do on the flat apart from sprinting in the on occasion.
@@gcntakes a new madone to 7.1kg in a 56 so it’s relevant to anyone.
Another great vid guys
Thanks Martin - what would you like to see us make a video about next?
What about the pedals? I haven't seen gcn ever taking a close look at time pedals. A test and comparison with the other road pedals would be interesting
Want that bike. Groupset is nice too though🤤
Would you still recommend the old Sram Red D1 over the new Sram force?
More interested on that mountain road … where was that filmed 🎉
maps.app.goo.gl/pC42cAcJ1kFomtH89 beauty isn't it
@@JonCannings nice one -👍👍
@@leightondavies8884 Wales never fails 🙌
@@gcn just planned a route up the gospel pass and tumble and over to llangynidr - may need the Broom wagon by the time I’m there 😃
Great Groupset, but what about the braking noise in the wet?
So I would ask you guys one question. Will the FSA PowerBox SRAM Version Chainrings work with this groupset?:)
Awesome & Thanks :)
Note to camera man: The sensor needs cleaning urgently!
And still... that groupset just looks 🔥
I kept wiping my screen 😂
@@louis_sharp You better believe this groupset is real 😉
bot?🤔
@@lolipuni1 Sram Red AXS may be smart, but I don't think it's commenting on TH-cam quite yet.
Hopefully an XPLR version in future?
maybe "it doesn't stop there" isn't the best endorsement of a new set of brakes.
😂, maybe, maybe not
Is that chain length correct? The rear mech is super extended in his favorite big big gear and the b link looks off in the small small
Liking and commenting for the S-tier pun. But also that is one sexy groupset.
Great video.... except the smudge on the camera that had me freaking out that my screen was damaged....
Which Canyon is that? Such a a beautiful bike🚀
I think especially the new grips and better pulleys are topmost but I purchased a new outlet Aeroad CFR with the now old sram red knowing that this was coming to release soon. It's nice that it is backward compatible so if I don't like the ergonomics I could exchange the grips. I have the new dura ace on ultimate and these brakes requires less effort than the now old sram red and this is the bike I use for Gran Canaria in winter. But the slower old Sram red braking power does not affect my ride here in Denmark. To save weight maybe it would be better to upgrade the wheel set on your bike.
the backwards compatibility is great isn't it!
Will plan incremental upgrade to my Force V1 groupset. Will plan on doing the hood/brakes then down the road update other components.
Good thinking!
just to be sure... does this mean that third party is open from Sram side now ? meaning that i can control my edge unit with axs blippers ?
Serious question... When is the new 105 Di2 due to be out?
0:48 - chain looks way too short?
Wow those silver calipers are absolutely gorgeous.
I already have Sram because I prefer the braking feel over Shimano, it's hard to believe these would be even better.
I think I'm in love...
Sadly they don't make an XPLR version - are the shift levers compatible with the lower tier XPLR derailleurs? If they are, I'm going to need a chat with my bank.
Hahahah it's pretty special isn't it! Head over to the SRAM site for more details on compatibility 💻
I like looking at al these new things group sets, bikes etc, because I know I will never have any of them.
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
0:30 Si cross-chaining FTW
You can lead a horse to water 👀
srams testing shows the 10t is still efficient...... what does that mean? can they release data of 48/35 on 10t vs say 52/36 on 11t?
I just think that like crank lengths are an option, so too should the chain ring sizes, as the cost to purchase larger aftermarket is pretty mega. And as TT bikes etc are also oem equipped, a TT bike with 48/35 is just.... not right.
Other than that it looks like a fantastic update to their flagship groupset. Wonder what the other big S is going to do....
That is such a good looking bike
The full build is pretty special isn't it 🙌
😮❤. Soooo niceeee
Dreamy right?
3k is not the complete groupset, it is designed to but chainset and cassette separately which Is another 1500£
I almost expected the ripples on the hoods sold als „more aero“
Not this time 🤣
Finally, a hydraulic hood shape I'd be happy with. Unfortunately, it's still DOT fluid
Would you still give it a try?
@@gcn I'll definitely try it, I won't buy another DOT fluid brake though.
Sram are switching to oil in MTB. Maybe next gen road? Untill then, GRX has the closest shape so far.
@@feedbackzalooponly on the maven for now we don't have confirmation on the LEVEL and other brakes
@@Hydun db8 too and for quite a while already. Code and Level, yes, still DOT. But for how long though?
I do wish GCN would get a new camera bike. It makes every test bike sound like it hasn't been lubed for years when in fact it isn't a noisy bike at all.
An electric scooter with regenerative braking would be good and quiet
We don't have a bike! You're hearing the panting of our video creators 😉
is that WHIRRING sound from the E-bike Camera Man Bike?
Whats why Roglic drop chain on Giro TT.
Hi, exists sram red cranks - wide type (chainline 47.5 and Q factor 150)?
happiest about backward compatibility and improved lever/brakes.....not about increased pad clearance will reduce any rub and make set up easier. I will wait to upgrade shifters/brakes or wait for force version..and leave other existing components at force/rival level.
Did sram change to a different kind of hydraulic oil? Or do they still use the same oil?
hi, it is the same oil. thanks
Anyone know where I could get the Canyon logo decals shown on this ultimate?
Is the front shifter still a two button shift?
If you want to read more about the groupset we've a great write up on the site 👉 gcntech.co/newsramred
uploading in 4k nice..
Visually stunning isn't it
A groupset this nice needs to be seen in 4k 👌