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my main hope for space marine 2 is that Titus gets to kill a chaos corrupted Leandros in a lovely turn of irony
MANIFEST MANIFEST MANIFEST
Lolz
Chaos corruption is too good for him. Make Gene Stealers infect him.
@@BIGESTblade well in that game it'd be tzeentch, so I say close up his mouth and make his eyes tentacles
Also I would love to kick erebus in space marine 2
How i would fix Kaldor Draigo:
1. Have him inherit the Noble shard of Magnus (Like it's passed down from each Grandmaster of the Gray Knights to the other)
2. Open up his final battle with M'kar with: "Have you ever eaten... a tangerine?"
On the shard of Magnus...
It is?? Where?? Give me the lore!
Have Lucius and Kaldor kill each other
@@bigtastyben5119 the problem is Lucius can be reborn if Draigo take the pride.
Ok, that would be just great!!!😂😂😂
@@Warmaster2001 he humiliated a primarch he would find it easy
"So racist he said 'fuck it, im taking the galaxy with me'" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while
I don't hate Artemis, this is all the Eldar's fault by not playing nice with humanity.
The reason GW doesn't want to kill off Lucius is because the writers are scared he will take over their body afterwards.
Loooool
It's sad that a character like Lucius gets to stick around while Yarrick is killed off screen.
100% with you on Mortarion over Russ. I say this as a Death Guard and Space Wolf player. The burning of Prospero while a stupid act is tragic and adds flavour to both the Thousand Sons and Space Wolves as factions.
Russ was deceived by Horus but a little too keen to go all in and Magnus was too arrogant to step back and admit fault. Just two completely opposite personality types at loggerheads.
Russ in general you get the impression he tries to do the right thing but is blinded by pride or wrath.
Mortarion on the other hand was so completely damaged by his upbringing that his dislike of psychers alienated him from his true father and siblings.
Agreed and I say this as a Wolf hater. Russ is INFINITELY more compelling than Mortarion ever was.
i think a better motivation for Mortarian and the Death Guard is having them start off as great idealists and as time goes on the reality of the galaxy and the imperium bears down on them, until eventually they conclude that the imperium, and to a lesser extent humanity, is doomed and turn to chaos to destroy the imperium as a form of mercy kill, with the idea that while destroying the imperium is bad, letting the imperium sit and rot into nothingness is even worse
The impression o get from shitman is hes braindead and literally couldnt wall left of he was ordered to by the emperor
@@berilsevvalbekret772literally no
Finally, someone that gives some credits to Russ for Propero instead of blindingly blame him for everything despite that fact that out of all the big players, he probably fucked up the least.
The idea of the mother of the Primarchs is incredibly cool but they dropped the ball with her.
There may be no way to save Erda as a character.
She thinks she is better than normal humans and threw the Primarchs into the Warp just so the Emperor could not use them as generals. There is no redeeming her.
@robertnelson9599 Throwing them into the Warp was wrong. Keeping them from the Emperor is not. Remember, the Emperor and the Imperium aren't things to admire.
@@DewayneMcClure-bm2pj hear hear
There are no good guys in 40k, but I'd rather choose than any other latter option.
Plus no one knows what the big E really wanted or planned for.
Also erda is basically erebus 2.0. That and a space karen
@@degalrants7968 Erebus partially redeemed himself by killing Erda.
“Have you ever eaten a tangerine?”
Heres a fun idea for Lucius since he can't die whenever he is in a battlefield there is a legion of the damned hunting him and when he eventually kills the marine he realises its Tarvitz soul and since you know Legion of the damned is basically a daemon of the emperor he cannot resurect from killing tarvitz again so he has to be vigilant all the time.
I like this... if a legion of the damned pulled a Corvus v. Lorgar on Lucius (Corvus Corax spends his time hunting Lorgar)... Here's why it would make Lucius more interesting... HE IS 24/7 trying to procure drugs for himself and his mates... so to add a TERMINATOR following him constantly would make every single LUCIUS book a stalker-esque high tension story... Brilliant!! Cheers bro! GW could pull this off for several books and rehash a character everybody hates... Imagine a scene where Lucius finds drugs but the dealer is silent and just wears a cloak... cloak comes off, flame on! I'll leave the rest to imagination.
@@qigonglungz It doesn't have to be a legion of the damned. It's just has to be something Lucius cannot kill or die to.
Lucius can get killed pretty easily by any long range ordnance. Carpet bomb some marines. He dies in the blast along with dozens of others, bomber has no idea who he’s just killed.
@@deifiedtitan Yea the bomber would still turn into Lucius. Remember even Necrons aren't immune to his curse. 'Not even the mechanical Necrons are immune from this curse, as the Phasing Sword has learned.' Codex CSM 8th edition.
permanently killing off a character
but even loyalist guardsmen are immortal if they have a name
no wonder the setting is worth less every day, people desire dumb marvelmovies so much
when was the last time a novel didnt end in a clear imperial victory of pure boredom
Its me, I am the most Hated, Me Alph- i mean Malal.
GET HIM GW! HES A COPYRIGHT LIABILITY
@@livefromtheblacklibraryTHEY WILL RUN OUT OF MONEY EVENTUALLY AND I WILL RETURN
What I find funny about Lucius is that his suit of armour doesn’t even belong to him.
Lucius the Eternal was killed by another member of the Emperor’s Children mid-heresy. He wasn’t even their best fighter! Slannesh just found him funny and let him live!
That would be a funny end to Lucious. Slaanesh telling him that he was but a fool for her amusement before torturing his soul for all eternity.
He was killed by a Raven guard mid heresy*
@@joesheridan9451 No, this was a different death. He was whacked in a duel with a Lord Commander of the EC also. He came back, wearing the hapless Lord Commander’s armour.
I actually really love Mortarion, but it's hard to explain why in a TH-cam comment. The short version is, if the right author is writing him, he can be a genuinely sad character with a lot of pathos. There just aren't a lot of authors interested in writing him well; instead he gets used as a cardboard cutout for the protagonist/the author's favorite character so often that it's impossible for most people to look past. But (some of) the stories told from his perspective show that his hypocrisy doesn't sit well with him either. He hates himself, too.
Completely agree, despite the lack of good moments he’s had, he is still way more interesting than the characters that constantly get glorified and shown in the spotlight.
the problem with a lot of character is that the imperium has to be the marvel superhero
leaving no room for chaos victories and definitely not even a page dedicated to humanizing them
your not allowed to see from their perspective, to empathize with how broken they are yet still trying, because then you might consider the imperium not the good guy for a moment
and modern gw just cant have that
Another thing is that him becoming a Hypocrite wasn’t his fault necessarily(though his hands are definitely not clean), his morals were just very ill-suited to how events were panning out, that’s the best way I can describe it. He had psychic powers but because of how his adoptive father treated him he suppressed them but would be forced to use them again to save his sons. He joined Horus to kill the Emperor who he saw as no better than his adoptive father(and in fairness he is right to an extent) a Psyker tyrant who was only out for power and to use everyone around him to gain it(granted this was rather because of his own personal feelings rather than wanting humanity to be free of the emperor) but then Horus and the rest of the traitors would turn out to be using Daemons, the warp and tyranny.
Over and over again Mortarion tried to follow his superhero code, trying to be a sort of Superman figure In a way but he is just unable to do that due to how everything around him was playing out. granted he made a lot of the choices that put him in those positions, I’m not going to pretend he is a complete victim and Morty can’t see the future and let’s not forget everytime someone has Manipulated Morty. but I’m not sure what else I would do if I were in Mortarion position and in the end he himself did become just like his father and he hates himself for that and yet still puts in a good shift for Nurgle because now he has no choice and he rebels against Nurgle constantly but any and all morals he had were basically Null at this point. That is the tragedy of Mortarion from my perspective.
Malcador in a mommy shirt reading in fat letters: "Got Milk?" 😂😂
What I hate about Lucius isn't just his power, it's the fact he's incompetently written, like a "Crumby OC" like what you called Kaldor
It's basically a "random bullshit ability". I think it would be more compelling that this blessing is also an legitimate curse by Slaanesh.
He literally uses this to get himself killed. That is NOT going to please the "Prince of perfection".
It's more like a Tzeenchinian ability because 1. It's an ability suited best for infiltration. 2. Tzeentch is the god of change and mutation.
Lucius is hated because of the ridiculous reasons he’s survived which is I find amusing how ridiculous it is
Kaldor I’ll pass but only if a certain theory is true about him otherwise yeah it’s ridiculous
Before Lucius was "blessed" by She Who Thirsts he had no choice like everybody else but to fight to stay alive but at least be the greatest at it. Since becoming essentially immortal what does he have to do anymore but figuratively get under his opponent's skin, die, then literally get under their skin? If he is written well enough towards his end he could stand as an example of what happens when someone so bright becomes lazy.
I have the same problem with Abaddon and Lorgar when reading something out of Black Library. ;/
@@kaitracksmalgomTTS saved the fandom's opinion of Draigo, but that's not the same character.
Grammaticus sounds like a self insert/Gary Stue kind of character… it never works and we seem through the thin veneer of importance/desperation.
You did a wonderful job in explaining why characters become hated, the incompetence/refusal to see reason and power scaling, if the two come together it is fatal.
Imagine if John Gramaticus is the one Horus kills on the Vengeful Spirit before the Emperor obliterates him.
Nah it's gonna be loken
Ol?
That could be surprising, but Loken dying to Horus would be a massive plot twist. 😮
I don't know if I'm the only person who likes Mortarion, but I think that it made his story more dramatic that he had to use the psychic powers that he hated so much and that he became the servant of Nurgle even though he didn't really support Chaos at first and joined his forces to save his legion from Nurgles plagues. I think that this was a really interesting character development.
Agreed! Big Mortarion fan. Mortarion can be a really sad character in the hands of the right author, and McNeill isn't the right author for him.
James swallow paints a good picture of him in my eyes. The buried dagger was good, also listening to the flight of the Eisenstein right now.
I also really grew to like him in the Plague wars. He was very tactical and a very competent leader. When he Typhus and Cugath Plaguefather were having a meeting Typhus wanted to cut at the Lion’s body(attack random planets in ultramar) whistle Mortarion wanted to cut off the lions head.
I was more in agreement with Mortarion here, “what is a king without a kingdom?” Typhus asked, oh you mean just 500 planets compared to the millions upon millions within the Imperium that Guilliman now owns completely? If anything the destruction of Ultramare would have just made Guillimans resolve all that stronger.
Mortarions plan to kill Guilliman was definitely well thought out and would have definitely been a lot more damaging to the Imperium. Mortarion managed to capture Guilliman at one point and genuinely had the Primarch at the pointy end of Silence. In their next battle where they are not interrupted. Mortarion injects Guilliman with the godblight and actually does kill Guilliman. If the emperor hadn’t intervened on both those occasions than it’s safe to say that Mortarion would have won.
Completely agree. I think people confuse "internalized hatred due to years of abuse" and "petulant hypocrite" for some reason.
"Decided to doom all sentient life through sheer force of racism"
A B S O L U T E L Y B A S E D
Uncle Ruckus: well well well
I'm surprised you didn't' mention Belisarius Cawl.
Back in 2017, people absolutely hated him for pulling Primaris Marines out of his arse, improving on The Emperor's works, etc.
I think that makes him quite interesting. He is an arrogant prick, everyone really wants him to fail, but he is a fucking genius.
The fact that people hates primaris is another question (which I don't share, but that is not the point)
All the fellas hate Othere Wyrdmake, he broke the bestest boy Ahriman’s heart. The sorcerer can’t handle that much stress, he’s literally just a lil guy
Also a complete bigot because he's a psyker himself
"The mortals ponder why I chose him as my champion....even my servants question his place in the great game....they say it is because of his ability to wield magic like no other, his mistakes that molded his whole legion....and for once I speak truth without riddles... I chose him because he has something, something even the sons of the Anathema lack now, that is..... *hope* , *hope* to *change* , to find the Laughing God's black library, to reverse his brothers' state, to fix his mistakes.... that is why I chose him......"
-Tzeentch, Chaos God of Change
The space wolves having psykers that practice sorcery and call it rune priesting is ridiculous. Not that they believe it. But it should have been obvious to everyone else.
1000 sons are literally the worst legion hands down
I don't hate Othere, he's a bit of an arse but the Thousand Sons had daemons for pets. That's a pretty horrifying idea, especially when they don't know it.
Khaldor Dreigo must have a significant fragment of Magnus in him- similar to the former Grandmaster Janus. Otherwise it just doesnt work lmao
As TTS says... Emperor needs a Father/sons reunion, even the corrupt ones! And have a talk
Clearly you’ve never eaten a tangerine
I dont hate Kaldor Draigo becouse my head cannon is Draigo from TTS
Yes TTS Draigo is epic and memeworthy)
I find the emperor is the most human Post human. He makes mistakes, he's a hypocrite and incredibly arrogant. But, he also has humanities best interest at heart, he truly loves at least some of his sons and he feels genuine regret over some of his actions.
...really?
Name one action that he actually regrets.
The emperor genuinely loved his son's in the same way a neglectful parent genuinely loves their sons when they come calling for money
Khaldor is a fantastic character. How would emps and the wolf king have gotten into bdsm elfholm without him beating up that star?
NO SUN !
HAVE YOU EVER EATEN A TANGURINE?! WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY ONE?!
I will always see him like that and it makes Soo much sense why he does so much while in the warp
He is batshit insane and that gives him sanity in a place that has none
Fixing Draigo would be easy. Just say he's had the Noble Shard of Magnus all along. Hence why he's so OP. B/
@@Archon3960honestly until GW says otherwise this is canon for me.
Lucius is that 12 year old who loses the game then says,
(╯°□°）╯"Nuuh Uuh!"
Lucius is hilarious because the very plot armor that protects him is also his biggest weakness.
16:29 I'm the singular Mortarion defender. I actually like the idea of Morty being a hypocritical douchebag.
I genuinely thought for the longest time that was how he was supposed to be as a character even though it probably wasn't, idk man I just find his hypocrisy fascinating to read and watch unfold.
Characters being hypocritical isn't something explored that much in fiction maybe because it's such a hated trait when seen in real life.
I'm not going to say he's misunderstood or in the right because he isn't and I love him for that he's just a disgusting sore loser who's own bitterness blinds him and makes him angry at people who ultimately don't deserve it.
And the fact he's such a piss head makes it so Nurgle his "patron" actually punishes him and the fact he prefers Typhus (the goat) over him is really funny and cool imo.
Guilliman being reived and lighting the Garden of Nurgle is still fucking bullshit btw had to get that in.
You are not alone one thing I like is how Morty actually does have some good in him, the reason he even surrendered to Nurgle was to spare his legion of an eternity of suffering.
You can be so full of inner conflict you appear hypocritical and incompetent..
@@blizzardgaming7070not to mention that at the time, Morty actually knew very little about Chaos or the warp. I think based upon that, it's safe to say he probably had little notion that the intelligence with which he was pleading meant "numbness to everything and despair" when it promised mercy. Therefore, he is rather disillusioned with his Patron and this pisses Nurgle off. I have a theory that the only reason why the Emperor would ever make any allusions to redemption in conversation with Morty WHILE HES LITERALLY BURNING DOWN NURGLES GARDEN are those of Morty's resentment and disillusionment with Nurgle actually creates a space fir the Emperor to burn Nurgles influence from Mortys godsoul.
Nah mortarion is by far my favorite primary and the hypocracy of him is the best aspect of his character it's just pure tragedy
In which aspect was Mortarion a hypocrite except the creation of the plague planet, and that one time he used his psychic powers (which he was literally forced to)
Why anyone will hate Artemis? Bless his soul, Emperor.
Truly the emperor’s most based grandson 🙏
Why does he have a girl's name? (Is it a girl's name?)
@@AngryHomunculus And he still is badass.
@@AngryHomunculusit works either way.
Meanwhile chaos wins cause this idiot and your emperor gets his skull added to khorne throne......yea amazing idiotic job
"Have you ever eaten a tangerine? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY ONE?!?!?!?!?" - Kaldor Dragio, TTS
"my eyes just roll so far back in my head i can start counting the brain cells that are dying when he opens his mouth" got me dying with laughter 😂😂😂
John Grimaticus was also in one of the Alpha Legion books and wasn’t all that bad.
That’s honestly the ONLY time he was good
Even then, literally every other character in the book were better than him. I've haven't gotten very far in the Horus Heresy series (only up to Mechanicus) but I could tell that he was very incompetant at his job, specifically with his conversation and tantrum with Slau Dha. It makes you think, "is this really the person we look through thru most of the book?" I still love Legion because Hurtado Bronzi and all of the back and forth of the Alpha Legion, but damn was Grammaticus underwhelming.
@@jacobthompson9181 The excessive focus on John Gramaticus killed my interest in Legion. I loved the Hurtado Bronzi parts, but once I got the tent fight part I had lost all will to continue listening to the book
I like Kaldor Draigo exactly for how tough mofo he is. Yes, he is a Mary Sue, but his curse evens it out. Tough as nails, but forced to roam The Warp, returning to the materium only for brief amounts of time.
Also he's a funny man with tiny men in his beard
He DIFNANTLY has the Magnus shard. Thats the only explanation. And Tangerines. Can't forget about those 😂
@@berilsevvalbekret772 he definetely tried one
Hands do not exist in his reality
Have you seen his sword anywhere?
Been re-reading/listening to the ultramarine omnibus, since they released it on audio recently, and man that second book is full of the 'incompetence' problem. It ironically ended up making the tyranids seem like relatively mild threats, because the imperials were making so many stupid decisions throughout that, if they hadn't made, would've allowed them to easily defeat the hive fleet. Insanely dumb things like "hmmm... I see those tyranids are, instead of attacking the space refinery, that we've improvised into a fleet-destroying bomb, like they did last time, this time they've instead attached themselves to it and are dragging it towards our fleet... hmm... very odd... oh well, good thing tyranids are stupid bugs who can't think so they must be doing this for a random reason or something! now then, time for me to turn my head in this other direction and get really busy with something else for a few minutes until it's too late". Although most the characters who do that stuff die as a result, so.
Artemis:
"Never tust a Xenos."
"Fear The Alien. Hate The Alien. Kill The Alien."
You realise that xenocide is Artemis' job, right? Xenocide is the whole point of the Deathwatch. Xenophobia is a divine edict from The Emperor but Artemis is the asshole for doing his job? You think there is a page in their field manual about allowing the cursed xenos to finish their warp rituals just because they ask nicely?
The only book I've read with John Grammaticus so far is Legion and he didn't come across as *entirely* unlikable there, and you can sympathize with his situation of basically being a pawn for a group of xenos who hate him and humanity and being unable to actually live a life of his choosing with meaningful relationships. It also was a fun little narrative twist that this man who is painted as a master infiltrator and manipulator gets absolutely outplayed by the Alpha Legion who end up rubbing salt in the wounds that the two characters in the story he was developing a friendship and an intimate relationship with were playing him to set him up to fail in a very humiliating turn of events.
Oddly enough, my problem with John isn't so much that he's a perpetual (mileage on that varies a lot), or his characterization in Legion, it's the fact he seems to have these weird powers that don't seem to have any drawback or Warp peril, like he can instantly learn a language and adopt any accent, and he can basically Jedi mind trick people into believing what they want him to believe ("Don't you recognize me? I'm so and so" and the character often believes him). Having weird and wonderful powers can really make or break a character, so it's best to make it feel like it's something earned or has tangible consequences.
Which leads me to how much I despise the whole concept of Lucius. I don't like the Emperor's Children in general because they are portrayed as extremely arrogant better-than-thou peacocks and I don't enjoy Slaanesh aesthetics as much as other Chaos factions, but his whole greatest swordsman in the galaxy schitck is often proven wrong by other characters and his taking over bodies power removes any sense of consequence from him and the knowledge that you can't have other characters fight him where the fight doesn't end up with a draw or Lucius surviving because it would mean the character that killed him becomes him. And it goes so far as random artillery shell hits him, the person who took pride in manufacturing the shell becomes Lucius. About the only way he can die without body swapping is just some freak natural disaster or incident where no other people are involved. A boulder falls on him. His ship navigates directly into an uncharted black hole. A volcano erupts. Something, anything. I don't even know if Tyranids can kill him without there being some dumb justification of "the Mawloc who ate him whole felt satisfied at its meal and now Lucius is the Mawloc", and I don't know if he can become a Necron being soulless machines who are absolutely full of pride and ego.
It just ends up making Lucius this character that has no stakes, has an insufferable personality, while simultaneously becomes a setting punching bag like the Swarmlord and the Avatar of Khaine because if you have a character that comes back, you can write it losing again and again and again.
A mindless Necron killing him by accident is the best bet. :D
My biggest complaint about Erebus could arguably be attached to any big characters, but his plot armor is some of the thickest in the setting.
Plot Armor is one of the tihings that makes me at least lose interest in a character and in some cases despise him, no matter the faction he rapresents.
Girlyman and the Smurfs
I love Kaldor simply because his escapades in the warp are just so damn goofy beyond anything. I can’t help but chuckle when I hear about him.
TTS MADE ME LOVE "LUSCIOUS LUCIAS " 😂😂
(HEY BAE!, HAPPY SLAANESHMAS!!!)😘😘😘🤣🤣🤣
It gets even worse for Leandros, he failed so far upward that he's now a Chaplain!
14:19 drago reminds me of the “can he beat goku” power scaling memes. I just recently got into warhammer 40k (mainly because of the orks) and I’ve been enjoying all the lore so far.
Weirdmake, I should mention, gets his fucking soul ripped out by Ahriman, in prospero burns, he yoinks it out of his body, and it's warp horrors feast upon him and tear his astral projection(essentially) to shreds. And God damn it's satisfying to read
Anyone else just flatout hate the choas gods? I straight up loathe Slaanesh, and wish it died.
I can picture a Grey Knight or the Emperor typing this.
@@FreshMint1527 Agreed, and Grey Knights are my favorite space marines.
Word Bearers player here:
Erebus is bad because he is a terrible “servant” of the dark gods. He’s just a selfish, short-sighted, and ignorant. He’s just evil for evil sake and…man, that just seems weird.
Abaddon had a moment in the Siege books during the Saturnine gambit where he basically says he doesn’t want this (war) to ever end. In that context, he becomes a much more interesting character in that he just wants the war to go on forever…win or lose.
I wonder whos hated more. Erbus or leandros?
Leandro’s for sure
Erebus is a “you hate him so much you end up loving him” situation, Leandros is just flat out “everyone despises him no matter what”
The way Arhiman killed the rune priest by pulling out his soul and feeding it to a warp creature.
I’m Surprised Morty is here, I haven’t heard of anyone hating on him before. Yeah he’s a petty hypocrite, but I feel like it works for him because of how much of a supervillain he becomes when he ascends to Daemonhood. He’s a god damn Captain Planet villain dressed up like the fucking grim reaper, a perfect fit for Nurgle’s more comedic angle compared to the other Gods and chaos as a whole. He’s Grandfathers Stinkiest Soldier and I think he’s fun :)
If he showered more often (with clean water and soap) I'd consider moving him from "disinterest" to "potentially interested"
Kaldor is being retconed with a lot of succes. The one in the short story regarding the Mortarion combat is a very good one where he doesn't win because he is OP but because he uses his true name as a weapon. In the novel Pandorax he is well portrayed too. The old lore was Matt Ward fault.
A little correction on the Emperor: there are people who love him and then there are the heretics.
Well said
I was just thinking my lunch needed some salt lmao
Personally I like kaldor dragio as a force of nature
He is like a comic relief
No Cato Sicarius? The dude literally emboides power scaling and plot armour!
The only thing I'd disagree with is that Lucius is hated. It's kinda worse than that. By making him so overpowered and unable to die they've removed him. He's irrelevant as he can't fight well written characters since he'll either kill them or die and kill them anyways. Much like kaldor draigo he's forced to just go off and doodle in the background since no one can do anything with him in any kind of impactful way.
Perhaps we could put him on display in Solemnance?
HH biggest mistake was the need they felt to retcon how the primarchs got yeeted. They never should have changed the chaos gods did it. Simple and clean. Imo Erda was fine existing as she for me helped bridge the gap between the Angel and the primarchs. But the yeeting of the primarchs? Fuck that.
on Abaddon you gotta remember chaos dosent want to win outright it wants to slowly burn the galaxy to eat I bet the chaos gods are fucking him over
I kinda like Watch Commander Artemis for the same reason I love Imperial Fists. Never change the plan. If something is decided then it will be done or we'll die trying. (Also, "hey monkeigh, we are doing a huge ritual. It will save the galaxy trust us. Why? Can't say but please let us do it pretty please?" how surprising the commander of forces of the Ordo Xenos didn't fall for it). Loved the video.
Uhhh that entire event was some of the poorest writer shit for the eldar out there
"We're trying to help you"
"Diversity is not our strength in the Imperium of Man!"
*fucks literally everyone over*
Erda is a perpetual who is three powerful psykers who merged and became one. She was one of the group of perpetuals (including Malcador and Ollanius Pius) who joined the Emporer in his plans to reunite and lead humanity. She took longer than Ollanius to realize the Emporer was going to lead humanity to destruction. I don't love or hate her or her part in the story. It is pretty random but it does make sense if you pick up on the clues and it fills in the missing part of the story where somehow the chaos gods managed to fling the primarchs across the galaxy.
Erebus is hated because he is super OP. He easily fools primarchs. Everything just works out just the way he wants it regardless of his actions. Even when he messes up it still works out. His plan was also very simple and should not have worked.
Life is like a Dan Abnett work. You never know if you're gonna get a Gaunt's Ghosts or an Ultramarines movie. May he step on a lego every day for a decade for pulling a Mary Sue like Erda out of his fourth point of contact.
Alpha Legion absolutely would pretend to be your friend
Erda is totally superfluous - she’s the Poochie of the Horus Heresy
I talked to my friend that is reading the heresy about how much he'll hate John, he googled art of him and just by that drawing of him with that dumb ahh smug look he said "yup, i already despise him"
I want to see the art.
Kaldor Draigo in the lore I am a god slayer and singlehandedly defeated a demon primarch
Kaldor Draigo in 10th Ed tabletop. I rolled too many 1s now I’m dead before I can do anything
At this point, you gotta make a video on 'Everyone who fucked over the Thousand Sons'
*What? People hate Erda?* I fucking love her character. Even through her genuine fuck-ups, I think she's a great character.
Tbh I like John Gramaticus, I guess I just like him. And I think Caldor Draigo gets a pass simply because of his meme status
Most imperial citizens have never heard of chaos or Horus.
Do you really think that people reading nowadays BL pseudo-Marvel bs (or watching fanboy vids made by hyper nervous teens on speed) are even going to understand what you are saying? You have officially qualified as too intelligent for the shitshow that 40k has become ever since they decided to translate the HH from glorious mythology into bland comicbook-brained reality.
Kaldor Draigo should meet his end with Fulgrim's return. Fulgrim also had his true name used against him, it would be fitting to have wait for that then find away to use that against him. Then take out his heart, Fulgrim writes his own name on it, sends it to Mortarion just to piss him off.
Also haven't read a Thousand Sons yet but did Othere Wyrdmake at least suggest they instead try to learn Rune Pirest way as a compromise, or is Fenris just special just because?
In answer to your question; in the book the "exchange" spoken about in the video was arranged by Ferris and Magnus to better understand the other. Its mentioned in the book that Othere begins to teach Ahriman the ways of the runes and in exchange Ahriman demonstrates the "tutalaries" a teacher of sorts, which is described as benign deamon entities that the thousand sons use to understand the warp, which freaks Othere the fuck out and his wolves (not wolves). there is alot conveyed but not explained FULLY but its a really good book.
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Like Dorn forgetting to use the empty weapon, tank and ammunition halls to house the citizens of Terra during the siege. Johm Grammaticus comments that they could have sheltered the worlds population in the empty storage spaces although that sounds like an overstatement and to be fair to Dorn all it would take it a groups of few cultists and it could all go to shit like it did it Calth (Book- Mark of Calth).
I’m surprised you didn’t include Cato Sicarius 😂
I love Mortarion he is my favorite Primarch and it seems the character traits that makes people hate him are the same ones that make me love him (plus is got a cool design and the best fall of all the traitors). Mortarion main character traits is that he takes bad or ilogical decision for personal reason that he tryes rationalise wich is very human (and those bad decision come to bite him).
It's painfully obvious that Mortarion hated the Emperor almost on principle because the Emperor reaped is life goal just to force him to do something else but he can't be like Angron and admit that.
And for that he gains nothing is reward for being a traitor is to be on the side he hates and to get betrayed by one of is sons he then become a chaos prince of nurgle to save is legion and is now in perpetual pain because unlike most of nurgles follower he asen't embraced despair yet. (One of the only villain to get what he deserves whilst still showing that there might be hope for him)
Mortarion's only saving grace is that he endures all of this. He might regain his humanity back. But Nurgle's cauldron is DEEP.
Plus the single best looking 40k model Games Workshop has ever released.
AND THATS WHY I BE LIKE, "FUCK EREBUS "
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I understand the writing problems, but it's not like erda could have possibly known the planets they'd land on. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, we all just totally ignore the insane mistreatment by the Emperor.
She threw her kids into the warp even though she knew chaos was around, pretty shit mom.
blud just spent combined 2 minutes and 23 seconds shite talking john
I will say this the audio drama Mortarions Heart does so much to fix Draigos character. He doesn't beat the Death Lord so much catch him with a suprise (psychic) right hook as he's being choked out. It's very clear he A) doesn't think he can win and B) is seconds from loosing the actual fight. I do question how big a Primarchs heart is that you can scratch the name Geronitan into it 😂
I’ve always loved the concept of Lucius and primarily the look of his daemon form but I do agree that he is questionable when it comes to things, it feels like he’s either really good at something or a bumbling idiot who dies to land mines and dies so much his god gave him the power of being semi rewarded for dying
The space wolves are just riddled with unlikeable Mary sues. At least with Russ himself, there’s the whole point of his folly being apart of his “””character development”””
Which even then, it’s kinda eye rolling how recyclable the concept is considering we’ve just seen The Lion be put through this very thing: waking up after 10k years and slowly reminiscing about and regretting how much of a antisocial and stubborn piece of shit he was back during the Great Crusade and Heresy which led to Caliban’s destruction and his own brothers and sons suffering
My takes on each:
10) Leandros broke the chain of command by not reporting to the Ultramarines Chaplaincy first, and I'm surprised he wasnt punished for that. Otherwise I don't feel very strongly about him.
9) I would **also** rather the galaxy fall to Chaos than Xenos. I don't think this fandom takes Old Night seriously enough at all. That said, Eldrad's ritual wasn't the best thing to stop (even though I don't think the Deathwatch knew what it was).
8) "Yass queen slay" characters are universally awful (and societally destructive) and I work to parody them in my own writing.
7) This one is an amazing character and I will die on this hill. The passage about "I've always been this way" was chilling.
6) He serves his purpose in the narrative. I'd rather he be replaced but I'm optimistic about where his character is going.
5) I don't feel very strongly about this guy, but we can't ignore the fact that he just *does not serve his purpose in the narrative.* The poster child for Slaaneshi corruption should have a horrifyingly relatable story involving using pleasure to cope with tragedy, and this character is the opposite of that.
4) This guy was before my time. No real strong feelings, especially since he doesn't often affect the narrative directly.
3) I don't understand why this character is hated. And why blame him for the Edict of Nikaea? The Emperor made the decision.
2.5?) Oh. Oh, this guy is *devious.*
2) Interesting choice.
1) Yeah. You listened to three audiobooks full of this guy? Do you need money for your asylum bills?
22:25 hey that's not John Grammaticus! That's one of the player character portraits from Pillars of Eternity. Don't do my precious PoE dirty by associating it with Jimmy Textbook
That second guy (I forget his name) I have to ask this, why would he believe a single god damn thing Eldrad says? He's a deathwatch marine, Eldrad is a xenos, that space marines whole thing is killing xenos.
There are only two legitimate problems with Erda; one that she was given and taken away so quickly and two that we don't have a better reporting party. Erda has some serious legitimate grievances with the Emperor just sitting in the card deck but she barely shares them with us; likely because John Gramaticus is a cunt, and Old Person has been gone for millenia. If she was sharing her story with a trusted friend we probably could have got a lot more elaboration about: 1. How deeply she became attached to the idea of becoming a mother, as the Emperor similarly did, which was then snatched away by the Emperor. 2. That she actually loved the Emperor, despite him being a total cunt, and this betrayal broke her. There's a lot of meat in there to chew on for a story and justifications, but because of who her confidants are.....she gives him a very bland, vague, and surface level description of these things.
Artemis knew not to trust xenos. And surprise surprise, he was right.
I think Abaddon is hated on pretty much unfairly from start to finish. I mean, the Imperium had 10k years to recover and build on, while he essentially started of with a small, fractured warband and "just" the vengeful spirit. Considering how little resources, loyalty, information etc he's had available, 13 black crusades isn't exactly that high when it comes to building up a real momentum from within the eye of terror and the fractured legions there.
14:30 I've always liked Mary Sue for this kind of character. Or rather 'Gary Stu' in this case.
I already knew the Emperor is gonna be on the list the way you ranked Abaddon higher than Erebus 🤦♂️. And of course no.1 is gonna be a personal one 🤣
I barely know what a John grammaticus is, but even his name just sounds like the name of a hateable character
If I was in a room with Horus, Lorgar, and Erebus with a bolt pistol with two rounds, I'd shoot Erebus twice.
So then, with Lucius bullshit ability, what would happen if a Xenos killed him?
I guess he could come back from an Eldar or an Orks. But a Necron? Though Necrons are really just the band-aid against any kind of warp fuckery.
No Caito Sicarius? Guess they really turned him around.
Mortarion becomes a witch king psyker tyrant and still has the audacity to say “it’s dads fault” like my brother in Khorne, he wasn’t forcing you to make the deal with nurgle, you did it yourself. And the fact that the emperor saved him from death and he’s all like “I’ll never forgive you.” Like bro, he didn’t have to he could have watched and struck your name from the record but he didn’t.
Edit: I know the emperor is an asshole.
Alfabusa has done more to make Kaldor Draigo likable than the entirety of GW and BL's library ever did.
It'll forever be my headcanon that Draigo does what he does, because he's too high on Warp Dust to consider the possibility of losing.
19:30 Yes! Thank You!
21:50 When I read this passage, I can't help but think of John G as John Arbuckle and behing Pech's Helmet is Garfield, I just think of their voices and it's hilarious to me
Surprised more Space Wolves weren't on this video, considering they never lose. "Months of Shame"
Losing is the only thing they do during the Heresy after Prospero:
They loss half legion there, then they loss a ton more due to the Alpha ambush, they do nothing for years, then they loss again half legion in a very weird gambit, and the remains are further shattered by Abbadon and co. while running away.
And if you ask about 40k, you can look up what happened to the "Wolf of Fenris" cruiser, to give you an example.
@@andresperedo1275 Ye but this is a 40k video, and currently, they never lose
@@kableedge9278 I gave you an example of them losing in 40k (the battle for Parenxes).
Besides, they have almost dissapeared since 8th edition: after the fall of Cadia (which the Space Wolves were defending, hence big loss for them here), you got the very bad novels of Magnus attacking Fenris ("thanks" Gav Thorpe) which was more a defeat than a victory, the bullshit fight out of the blue between Ghazghkull and Ragnar (ending with Ragnar FLEEING) and the stupid idea of giving them successors (when it was clearly stablished that they cannot produce marines outside Fenris).
Oh well, SW were also present at the beginning of the Nachmund siege, fighting the genestealer cults (which was lost to the Empire as well)
So I don't believe at all that they always win
@@andresperedo1275 My guy, chill. I'm clearly taking the piss out of the months of shame and that they beat the grey knights...
@@kableedge9278 I am completely chilled, sorry if I sounded otherwise :)
But the lore is huge and, when there is a little corner that one knows, it is fine to enlighten others
Mortarion seemed weirdly shoehorned into this list. I haven't heard a single 40K fan complain about him before.
100%
Abbadon plot armor is about getting his ass kicked to near death state but each time escaping thanks to warp teleportation with classic vilan "I will return and make you regret this humiliation you put on me!!!" trope
20:02 in a universe with gangbanger fungus monsters and slaving murder grapist elves, xenophobia is a healthy response. 30k and 40K is “Hunter in a Dark Forest: the setting” you got some good guys in Eldrad and other eldar factions, and some tau, but the rest of them need dying or containment.
Honestly heres a fun idea how to deal with Lucious. Have a bunch of grey knights pin him down and send out a random PDF soldier to exicute him. Then restrain the PDF soldier in a containment cell designed to deal with high priority targets, that way when Lucious curse kicks in he is trapped in a cell. Preferabbly he would be tranfwred to the black cells of Tera at that point.