@@delta2372I think they have 2 series worth reading: path of the eldar(3 books) and path of the dark eldar(also 3 books and a few loosely tie-in short stories).
@@delta2372 Not really... most recently there was a trilogy about the Innari gathering crone swords to resurrect their god and it got cancelled after the second book. It's not really GWs fault in this case though: Space elves just aren't as popular as Giant Roid-Rage Gorilla-Muscled Warrior Monks with Chainsaw Swords BRZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!! Seriously though, the Xenos stuff just doesn't sell as well as the rest, with obvious exceptions such as the Infinite and Divine, which unfortunately leads to even less Eldar stuff... so when they have a good author lined up they will usually throw him a book on the Space Marines.
@@henrychurch6062 that's the thing, xeno stuff could sell aswell as roid up armored autists but GW just doesn't care enough to try, they might never quite get to the marketability of marines but, eldar, tau and necrons could get to something close.
Ah yes, C.S Goto. Some people held a lot of vitriol for him specifically, and his books have a lot of those just, terrible and infamous moments throughout. Backflipping terminators is one, and my favorite was his weird thing for space marines to be using multi lasers for some fucking reason. He seemed to have his own idea about how Warhammer should go and his material is like peering into an alternate universe where 40k is dumber and less fun
Goto is just terrible. He’s someone that, when confronted with the many stupid and inexcusable liberties he took with the lore had nothing better to say than @I just have a different canon that is as valid as anyone else’s!”
@@turtleinvader2982 Honestly Matts biggest issues IMO were more editing issues than anything, especially because he never wrote any novels, just codexes where it's arguably easier to ignore stupid lore bullshit. When he was the main writer for the 5th edition Space Marine codex he really over focused on the Ultramarines, because he had been told it was going to be an Ultramarine codex before pretty late in, being told it was going to be the generic Space Marine codex instead. Some of the army books he made were really REALLY strong, Grey Knights were pretty nuts in 5th overall and that lead to a lot of distain following them for a bit of time and the 7th edition fantasy daemons book busted that game wide open really hard. I'm not saying Ward was a great writer honestly, like in lore he said that Calgar was the spiritual liege of ALL astartes period, and that all space marines who weren't Ultramarines wanted to be big blue boyscouts, he showed a lot of favoritism to factions he liked, but at any point in time editing could have, and should have, said "Hey Matt, we appreciate the enthusiasm, but chill the fuck out."
@@sergentharker7182 I'll be honest I joined the hobby post Matt Ward so I actually don't know much besides he loved ultramarines to a problematic degree and he created Trazyn. That's where my knowledge of him terminates and I never read one of his works first hand. This actually makes me want to take a quick look at the older codex.
@@turtleinvader2982 Ward was a different beast: let's say this is my opinion... in order to raise through the ranks he did the bidding of some people with real power inside the company. He was willing to throw stuff like balance or established, nuanced lore out of the window if it meant making his master happy. And he did for a time. He enraged a lot of people because he designed stuff that was deliberately overpowered to sell armies (see Demons in 7th ed WHFB... a book that KILLED an entire edition because it was so broken no one had a fair chance against it) and wrote stuff to tickle the audience he considered the most numerous ("Every space marine deep down wishes he was an ultramarine"...). As I see it, Goto is simply someone writing bad fan fiction that had the good luck to be hired by Black Library, did more harm than good and was then put at the door. Ward, is another thing entirely.
Nothing worse than a book having a great story to build on and 15-18 of its chapters have no actual importance to it, you can take these out and the book wouldn’t change
I guess at the time the relation eldar-slanesh wasnt _that_ well defined. I can see an alternative universe where GW decided that the drukari placate slanesh by offering souls instead of sucking pain. It keeps everithing more or less the same exept the mecanism of offering scapegoats
I just read night bringer and they do such a good job at balancing space, marines, and dark Eldar. Drukaris are horrifying and graceful and hyper intelligent. They are the bogeyman mixed with high Eldar to perfection. Every single time they encounter them, they lose someone and a lot of times they lose many people. Every battle costs . The leader of the Drukari Is so fast a completely takes Uriel by surprise, and she and his face marines have to withdraw and run . Good writing has some sort of realism. You weren’t gonna walk into some person home with no weapons and no armor starving and no nothing about the tactical situation or how many enemy you’re against and do well at all. Space Marines are definitely more tough than your standard Eldar soldier, but much of their strength comes from the fact that their bodies can withstand, crazy tactics that the enemy doesn’t even think are possible like boarding torpedoes slamming into ships where normal human would turn into mush. Jumping out of Warhawks at 200 km an hour 100 feet off the ground. Essentially space marines are tiny mechs that move like humans. But we all know what happens to Mechs when they’re surrounded and being shot from all sides. Or when they’re facing, that are smaller and faster.
Nightbringer was a lot of fun and I listened to the audiobook driving my husband to work and back. It was the first Warhammer 40k novel I read and it's not going to stop with this one. Just wish there were novels out when I was playing back in the early 90's but when they finally came out I wasn't playing any more
@@Ghostrebel017 its in character but it makes no goddamn sense. imagine if some Tau managed to convince the Black Templars to surrender to the Greater Good and the justification was that it's in character for the Tau to try that, you would rightly call bullshit.
He did mention the Ian Watson books, to say that while they were goofy and nonsensical, at least they were playing in a space that hadn't been developed yet
In DOW, Goto also gave us a most based mental image of Ahriman sexually enticing and cucking daemonettes. A contribution to the canon that will be remembered.
Well, the author of that book said he didn't realize that Custodes were super-er-er space Marines, so that was a good on his part Still got a point though
No, loretubers don't read the books. They read the lexicanum wikis word for word. If you don't believe me, I can ist some and you can listen to them while reading the wiki at the same time. It's shocking how lazy they are.
At least some are doing a bit of work. Like Majorkill using his own headcanon to fill in the blank spots. Or Rho giving his own opinion on the lore. Or 40k Theories crafting theories. (Duh.) Or Luetin blending meta and lore so seemlessly. Or Bricky summing up everything. Or even Arch. :/
Not all and not all the time. But I have called Wes out on reading the wiki. Before his latest debacle. "The Imperium is full of Cannibals?" My muscular white buttocks it is. Smh.
Now go replay Dawn of war. Then read the novels goto did of them. Then proceed to rage. Also for those wondering where the lore about eldar having no fat comes from, it’s from xenology. In which an inquisition agent or magos biologis dissects an exodite. Other xenos getting dissected include ork, tau, hrud, etc. and I’m not sure it’s still canon maybe having been replaced the the new xenology from the blackstone fortress books with the rogue trader making notes of the creatures he has met and the notes from his kroot companion.
20:52 i dont know when this bit of info came out, but as of the lore today the eldar body doesnt have fat *at all* , i dont mean beerbellies, but fat in the same way a tree doest have fat. Wich begs the question what does have yvraine in a chest of that size then, but i digress. 27:57 my guess is that the guy planed to have the soulstones be hostages seeing how much the craftworlders care about their kin.
I’m pretty sure the lore bit about eldar having no fat comes from the old xenology where an inquisition agent or admech biologis magos(can’t remember which) is dissecting an exodite.
Also since when do deldar target fellow Eldar directly? Especially a full on craftworld? Maybe if deldar found a small weakened force of craftworlders they'd think "eh fuck it" but never directly
@@livefromtheblacklibraryReminds me of the Mandalorians from the Republic Commando books. You read about them in the wiki and think they're cool, then you read the books and find out that they're a bunch of whiny brats.
I might not know much about the dark eldar, but wouldn't the other guards, the moment that captained reached for the spike in his back, just stab him some more until he either collapsed or died? If that didn't work wouldn't they just pull out some other weapon to kill him with and be done with it?
I honestly quite liked Shadowbreaker. It was nice to have a Space Marine book where they had to work with normal humans, and both of them brought value to the team. I also liked the infiltration aspect of it, covert action with the best toys the inquisition can provide for the Deathwatch. It was also a competent portrayal of the Tau
I mean...They're the deathwatch. That's always been their thing, as far back as the first proper details of them. They're Space Marine Rainbow 6. How else would they act? Also: don't you go besmirching our short king Omni. I won't stand for it
It is indeed a really bad book. Sounds more like a fan fiction written by someone who isn't really interested in the lore and just want to write his own (bad) story. Fun fact, when I first saw the title of the video, I thought it was about TEaTD part 3 and I was like "hmm" then I saw the length
“And what are the stones for?! Going up his butt?? They might as well be!!” This is gonna be a fave of mine for a looooong time 👍 excellent book review 👏
Cs Gotto was actually a ChatGPT prototype that had a memory leak, was connected to the wrong API and was shelved due to it thinking it was a third grade boy in the Schola Progenium. Obviously he has no contact details… he is everywhere, the imperium sees all😂
If you have trouble tracking down books online then you should look for my friend Anna - she has a lot of books available in the archive named after her. Most of them, actually.
@recurvestickerdragon Only 5 units might suck, but there also weren't obnoxiously overpowered and underpriced things like greyknight baby carriers back then. If there was hyper cheese like that back in 5th edition, please explain further.
This probably beats out “Deathwatch: Last Guardian” but not by much. For those who haven’t read it, imagine being a deathwatch fan and grab this book because it’s one of the only 3 books covering them. Then reading it you proceed to find out it’s a Dark Angels book about hunting fallen in the dumbest ways 🤦
I found this cursed tome at a garage sale, it is strange to see this video release minutes after handing in 1.50 in pocket change. I should have left the misbegotten thing..
I've read both of those deathwatch books and his dawn of war novels. Goto is canon-violator of highest caliber(called red midget by 1d4chan of all places). At least they gave dawn of war 3 novel to a good writer (mcniven).
@@KillerOrca They did. Haven't played the game to compare the events. Robbie Mcniven treats characters(all of them) with respect and writes well (I would need to read more of his work, only read his dow3 and the last hunt for now). And gabriel did not do the terminator backflip in it anywhere. To be fair, tartaros pattern he wears would be mobile enough to do it if a system that could nullify the weight of it was installed(something I'd be using if writing for my own setting).
@@ivanivanovic5586 Guess I know what I'm gonna go looking for next time I go to tithe bookstore. Should hopefully be better than the DoW2 adaptation that saw Tarkus boarding a Tyranid hive ship
@@KillerOrca It's certainly better than that particular abomination of a novel. The Last Hunt was a White Scar novel(happens just about same time as guilliman gets off his long nap), those are quite rare.
22:10 I actually hate this plotpoint. In the context of the novel it makes sense as characterization/character development. But from a larger, setting perspective, it makes me eyeroll, it's just more HFY human masturbatory material. Just like all the references to an Eldar princess falling in love with a human inquisitor. It's yet another scenario where the insanely frothing at the mouth zealous, xenocidal, genocidal deathwatch, are "just honorable righteous, kindhearted heroic pure warriors betrayed! By the disgusting, conniving, evil, manipulative, cruel, and stupid Eldar! I guess these exarchs are one of the good ones though..." I mean, I half expect that if it weren't for the "must be grimdark" tone of 40k, that shining spear exarch would've been made to fall in love with and pine after the space marine.
My question is, how do various authors for 40k make sure they aren't contradicting each other? Seems like it would be impossible to not have horrible overlap and discontinuity
Loved Damnation of Pythos. The survivors of the Iron Hands 111th clan company seeking a secluded base of operations to engage in a guerilla war against the traitor legions after Istvaan V, absolutely clowns on an Emperor’s Children battle group, then a glorious final stand against an infinite tide of chaos, with the Iron Hands being a total fucking meat grinder for daemons. Then the greater daemon leading them gets permanently wounded by their captain, Durun Atticus, with this daemon going on later to attack Guilliman, The Lion and Sanguinius on their way to Terra, prophesying Sanguinius’ demise, and Sanguinius taking hope from spotting the wound that Atticus had left on the daemon. Cool as all hell. Even though no Iron Hands made it off Pythos alive, it was still an excellent display of just how fucking badass they are.
i will die on the hill that Wolftime was actually good!!!!!!!! Great insight into the Wolves and most the hate is actually because the name of the book!
I mean I’d argue that Ian Watsons Inquisitor is the worst but then again that book is so old and from such a different time period than modern 40k that only the wide strokes are even remotely canon
In my most humble, and honest, opinion. I consider a bad book if it has the following characteristics, especially if it refers to this franchise and my personal taste (Which doesn't add much but good): 1. It has a lot of meaningless lore. Whether it's for the development of a character, to make him look cool, or because the writer wants him to be that way. And 2. That, like everything, it has classic errors in the story/dialogue, like big gion holes, WTF moments, mary sues, etc. (If you don't agree with my comment, I kindly ask you to just ignore it in the most respectful way possible and forget about it. Please)
Goto always struck me the same way that what I call "Meme Lore Masters." His basic idea is the same as theirs: "There is no actual 40k Canon. It is all just either unreliable narrators, or the information is so old that I think it can be ignored outright." Basically they do not understand the term "Unreliable Narrator," which is usually only an issue in Codex lore blurbs due to being written by someone in universe, or it simply bothers them that some lore is 20-30 years old. While the old lore has never been retconned - for some reason many people think that its age _alone_ somehow renders it invalid. Despite nothing ever saying that the old lore somehow changed. I always assume these people are young adults or teenagers.
I’m curious how much of 40k lore is like this where it’s just people losing their minds over the summary and concepts of a thing without having looked into themselves. I feel it’s really common.
How to break 40k? GW: "I heard you guys like C.S Goto because you talk about him so much. So we asked him to write a story arch for the lost primarchs"
Funny to see this up after just finishing Sandmannof Terra's video of highest selling 40k books of '23. Why was a guessing it may have a certain perpetual in it?!
When I saw the thumbnail on my recommended feed, I had to check this video out to confirm it was talking about a CS Goto book (although I couldn't guess which one, they're all soo bad and I didn't read them all back in the day). Pleased to say I wasn't disappointed...
Oh, you're 100% right about Aspect Warriors not keeping their gear when they leave the path btw. That's best seen in the (admittedly released after this abomination of a book) Path of the Eldar series. Aspect Warrior armour goes back to the Shrine.
What is the coven of Isha? I am new to Warhammer lore. I gather it was some sort of alliance between the Ordo Xenos and Eldar but other than that… what is it?
The caliber of writing accetable to the Black Library is the most disappointing part of 40k. When the Lexicanum and 1d4chan have grammatically superior writing and more accurate lore than your official published works, you have issues. And I can't stay immersed in a story if I am constantly correcting the writing. Just look at the phrase "suddenly inverted weapon." That's not how that is written. Nobody "inverts" a weapon. They 'reverse' it. This has been a gramatical constant in English literature and martial vocabulary for close to a century, at the very least. I dunno, maybe I've just read to many good books by too many wordsmith authors, so now I am spoiled...
For all those talking about shit tier "loretubers" I would highly recommend Arbiter Ian aswell as the others mentioned like Arch/Leutin.... Mr Bones is another one thats pretty good an in the same theme as this channel. But Arbiter has been doing warhammer since rogue trader its actually fascinating to hear how the lore has meshed and moulded over the decades.
CS Goto and its all downhill from here. Oh yeah, rock bottom has a basement. My first 40k book was Hammer of Daemons, but my second one was an Eldar one by Goto. If I hadn't had a friend that was very enthusiastic about the hobby, I probably would have stopped after that Eldar book because it was that bad. Edit: yeah the Eldar worshipping Slaanesh in that book checks. The one that I read was the same. As for keeping their gear, Eldar CAN keep the aspect gear but a Farseer wouldn't have any. Farseers are psyker specialists and got lost on that path, which is frowned upon by the Eldar despite the respect that they hold for Farseers. The ones that usually keep their gear are Autarchs, who are the martial equivalent of Farseers. The ideal in Eldar society are the Warlocks, who are balanced between the two paths.
Yeah, being a sexual deviant tracks for druhkari, but consorting with demons seems like a great way to get eaten by Slaanesh, the thing that druhkari do everything in their power to avoid.
Waitwaitwaitwait, back up a bit. So the Ordo Malleus can sense that the Drukhari are going to summon a daemon from like warp interference or whatever. And the fucking FARSEERS can't????
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The Whole "Lelith making out with a Demon" feels like something that Ian Watson would write.
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I get that the drukhari are supposed to be some real freaks, but wtf?!
But if Ian Watson would have written it better.
"who knows Ian...maybe this is my neextt mOOoOVIee"
@@kevinoliver3083With total detail, a 3 pages long scene explaining how they do it.
C.S Goto is considered the single worst writer in 40k history
Do the eldar even have any good books? all the bad 40k books always seem to be eldar ones
@@delta2372 They have some okay books. Some are weird though. :/
I thought it was Matt Ward.
@@delta2372I think they have 2 series worth reading: path of the eldar(3 books) and path of the dark eldar(also 3 books and a few loosely tie-in short stories).
@@louisnall3102 He's first, goto is close second.
Literally never heard of the Covenant of Isha before your video.
Now i know why.
Do they eldar even have any good books? all the really bad books seem to always be eldar
@@delta2372 jain zar is alright. Tho people say Valedor is the best Eldar book, but I haven't read it yet
Same here
@@delta2372 Not really... most recently there was a trilogy about the Innari gathering crone swords to resurrect their god and it got cancelled after the second book.
It's not really GWs fault in this case though: Space elves just aren't as popular as Giant Roid-Rage Gorilla-Muscled Warrior Monks with Chainsaw Swords BRZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
Seriously though, the Xenos stuff just doesn't sell as well as the rest, with obvious exceptions such as the Infinite and Divine, which unfortunately leads to even less Eldar stuff... so when they have a good author lined up they will usually throw him a book on the Space Marines.
@@henrychurch6062 that's the thing, xeno stuff could sell aswell as roid up armored autists but GW just doesn't care enough to try, they might never quite get to the marketability of marines but, eldar, tau and necrons could get to something close.
Ah yes, C.S Goto. Some people held a lot of vitriol for him specifically, and his books have a lot of those just, terrible and infamous moments throughout. Backflipping terminators is one, and my favorite was his weird thing for space marines to be using multi lasers for some fucking reason. He seemed to have his own idea about how Warhammer should go and his material is like peering into an alternate universe where 40k is dumber and less fun
Honestly, I use these books as inspiration
If someone THIS bad can successfully get published with a place like the Black Library, then anyone can
Drinking game: take a shot every time you see the phrase "red robes" or "multi-laser" when reading a C.S Goto book
Does it happen as often as Gotrek dragging his thumb along the blade of his axe, drawing a single bead of blood?
I think this count as murder.
I'll get alcohol poisoning before I finish half.
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probably more
I dishn't ephen chaphter too, Bloorool looror...
Goto is just terrible. He’s someone that, when confronted with the many stupid and inexcusable liberties he took with the lore had nothing better to say than @I just have a different canon that is as valid as anyone else’s!”
So is he worse than Matt Ward? Matt at least gave us Trazyn.
@@turtleinvader2982 Honestly Matts biggest issues IMO were more editing issues than anything, especially because he never wrote any novels, just codexes where it's arguably easier to ignore stupid lore bullshit. When he was the main writer for the 5th edition Space Marine codex he really over focused on the Ultramarines, because he had been told it was going to be an Ultramarine codex before pretty late in, being told it was going to be the generic Space Marine codex instead. Some of the army books he made were really REALLY strong, Grey Knights were pretty nuts in 5th overall and that lead to a lot of distain following them for a bit of time and the 7th edition fantasy daemons book busted that game wide open really hard. I'm not saying Ward was a great writer honestly, like in lore he said that Calgar was the spiritual liege of ALL astartes period, and that all space marines who weren't Ultramarines wanted to be big blue boyscouts, he showed a lot of favoritism to factions he liked, but at any point in time editing could have, and should have, said "Hey Matt, we appreciate the enthusiasm, but chill the fuck out."
@@sergentharker7182 I'll be honest I joined the hobby post Matt Ward so I actually don't know much besides he loved ultramarines to a problematic degree and he created Trazyn. That's where my knowledge of him terminates and I never read one of his works first hand. This actually makes me want to take a quick look at the older codex.
@@turtleinvader2982 Ward was a different beast: let's say this is my opinion... in order to raise through the ranks he did the bidding of some people with real power inside the company. He was willing to throw stuff like balance or established, nuanced lore out of the window if it meant making his master happy. And he did for a time. He enraged a lot of people because he designed stuff that was deliberately overpowered to sell armies (see Demons in 7th ed WHFB... a book that KILLED an entire edition because it was so broken no one had a fair chance against it) and wrote stuff to tickle the audience he considered the most numerous ("Every space marine deep down wishes he was an ultramarine"...).
As I see it, Goto is simply someone writing bad fan fiction that had the good luck to be hired by Black Library, did more harm than good and was then put at the door. Ward, is another thing entirely.
That’s acceptable when you write fanfiction, not for the official priduct
Nothing worse than a book having a great story to build on and 15-18 of its chapters have no actual importance to it, you can take these out and the book wouldn’t change
I'm sorry, the eldar are summoning a daemon of Slaanesh? I want what the writer is having.
Yeah, the only way that ends is the deamon collecting what rightfully belongs to her god.
Old World-aah lore!
I guess at the time the relation eldar-slanesh wasnt _that_ well defined. I can see an alternative universe where GW decided that the drukari placate slanesh by offering souls instead of sucking pain.
It keeps everithing more or less the same exept the mecanism of offering scapegoats
@@leandrocastello309that relationship was defined since drukhari were introduced last time i checked
I don't. It looks like some super krokodyl laced jankem.
“Who let this man cook” is the entire communities reaction to CS Goto
This shit ain't cooking, it's arson.
The idea of deathwatch and ordo xenos being like "yeah we will help you" is crazy to me lol
I just read night bringer and they do such a good job at balancing space, marines, and dark Eldar. Drukaris are horrifying and graceful and hyper intelligent. They are the bogeyman mixed with high Eldar to perfection. Every single time they encounter them, they lose someone and a lot of times they lose many people. Every battle costs . The leader of the Drukari Is so fast a completely takes Uriel by surprise, and she and his face marines have to withdraw and run . Good writing has some sort of realism. You weren’t gonna walk into some person home with no weapons and no armor starving and no nothing about the tactical situation or how many enemy you’re against and do well at all.
Space Marines are definitely more tough than your standard Eldar soldier, but much of their strength comes from the fact that their bodies can withstand, crazy tactics that the enemy doesn’t even think are possible like boarding torpedoes slamming into ships where normal human would turn into mush. Jumping out of Warhawks at 200 km an hour 100 feet off the ground.
Essentially space marines are tiny mechs that move like humans. But we all know what happens to Mechs when they’re surrounded and being shot from all sides. Or when they’re facing, that are smaller and faster.
I’ve been meaning to read that book! And yeah you’re so right about marines
Nightbringer was a lot of fun and I listened to the audiobook driving my husband to work and back. It was the first Warhammer 40k novel I read and it's not going to stop with this one. Just wish there were novels out when I was playing back in the early 90's but when they finally came out I wasn't playing any more
Uriel Ventris novels were a helluva fun. Yes, even _Dead Sky Black Sun._
*Flashes The Wolftime cover*
Oh man, here it comes, cathartic vindication!
"...C.S. GOTO..."
Oh right, him.
The most disrespectful death is Kharn accidentally killing the Soulless Queen
Mortis had alot of problems. The siege of Terra books vary wildly in quality
Yeah, but that's in character. Blood for the Blood God.
no it isnt she should have beat him easily agaisnt choas powered people she was second to the emperor @@Ghostrebel017
@@Ghostrebel017I’m sure that’s what the doorknob of an author thought too
@@Ghostrebel017 its in character but it makes no goddamn sense.
imagine if some Tau managed to convince the Black Templars to surrender to the Greater Good and the justification was that it's in character for the Tau to try that, you would rightly call bullshit.
*Deathwatch goes zooming past at lightspeed*
Grey Knights: "Dafuq?"
"Covenant of isha brother! We Deathwatch are going to save precious Xenos lives!"
-Most confusing vox cast ever received by the Grey Knights
What’s your opinion on the Inquisitor Draco novels? (TTS roasting the book was hilarious)
"I will make it my next movie"
“Who knows Ian? Maybe it’s my next movie.”
He did mention the Ian Watson books, to say that while they were goofy and nonsensical, at least they were playing in a space that hadn't been developed yet
"Aeldar Primarch of the Tau or something, idk." C.S. Goto, probably
In DOW, Goto also gave us a most based mental image of Ahriman sexually enticing and cucking daemonettes. A contribution to the canon that will be remembered.
Arguably his best work
A contribution to the canon that will be remembered... *_not!!_*
> C.S. Goto
Yup. That tracks. That man should have never been given permission to write for the Black Library.
"Noooooo harlequins can’t kill custodes, this is not canon!!!"
*six, dying, basically unarmed space marines bodies like a planet of dark eldar*
Well, the author of that book said he didn't realize that Custodes were super-er-er space Marines, so that was a good on his part
Still got a point though
“Bolter action” someone is being careful with word choice in the intro
I VERY NEARLY SAID THE WORD
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No, loretubers don't read the books. They read the lexicanum wikis word for word. If you don't believe me, I can ist some and you can listen to them while reading the wiki at the same time. It's shocking how lazy they are.
We don't talk about One Mind Syndicate!
At least some are doing a bit of work. Like Majorkill using his own headcanon to fill in the blank spots. Or Rho giving his own opinion on the lore. Or 40k Theories crafting theories. (Duh.) Or Luetin blending meta and lore so seemlessly. Or Bricky summing up everything. Or even Arch. :/
@@Archon3960 yea, arch at least refers to obscure lore, like exodites
Not all and not all the time. But I have called Wes out on reading the wiki. Before his latest debacle. "The Imperium is full of Cannibals?" My muscular white buttocks it is. Smh.
Not Isyander & Koda
Now go replay Dawn of war. Then read the novels goto did of them.
Then proceed to rage.
Also for those wondering where the lore about eldar having no fat comes from, it’s from xenology. In which an inquisition agent or magos biologis dissects an exodite. Other xenos getting dissected include ork, tau, hrud, etc. and I’m not sure it’s still canon maybe having been replaced the the new xenology from the blackstone fortress books with the rogue trader making notes of the creatures he has met and the notes from his kroot companion.
I was bored one day and prompted CHATGPT to make 40k storylines. This book reminded me how badly that went
Here me out: what if CS Goto is actually a member of the Ordo Xenos who was transported back in time by the Warp to 2000? That explains a lot.
20:52 i dont know when this bit of info came out, but as of the lore today the eldar body doesnt have fat *at all* , i dont mean beerbellies, but fat in the same way a tree doest have fat. Wich begs the question what does have yvraine in a chest of that size then, but i digress.
27:57 my guess is that the guy planed to have the soulstones be hostages seeing how much the craftworlders care about their kin.
I’m pretty sure the lore bit about eldar having no fat comes from the old xenology where an inquisition agent or admech biologis magos(can’t remember which) is dissecting an exodite.
Yvraine simply benches 500
Yvraine has lost technology we know and see in modern drag queens. External prosthetics. Butt and boob padding.
Also since when do deldar target fellow Eldar directly? Especially a full on craftworld? Maybe if deldar found a small weakened force of craftworlders they'd think "eh fuck it" but never directly
Exactly, major lore error right there
I was expecting this to be about Inquisitor by Ian Watson!
Yo same. Even years after hearing the tts video about it i remember the descriptions of the ridiculous scenes
To be fair: that was literaly the first warhammer novel and they had not found their stile yet.
@@GenesisBoi"GUSSY!"
I would not describe Ian Watson's works as bad. Just _very_ weird. Like 80s _very_ weird. :/
@@MrMuelltube *_NOOOO!!!_*
“Who let this man cook?!” That had me howling dude 😂😂I love your videos man, I’m so glad to see your channel growing
Well shit... I use to think the coven of Isha was cool. I knew the book it was from was bad but not THIS bad.
ITS WORSE WHEN YOU READ IT
@@livefromtheblacklibraryReminds me of the Mandalorians from the Republic Commando books. You read about them in the wiki and think they're cool, then you read the books and find out that they're a bunch of whiny brats.
I could have sworn this video would be about Inquisitor Drago.
This implies their books have some redeeming qualities
I might not know much about the dark eldar, but wouldn't the other guards, the moment that captained reached for the spike in his back, just stab him some more until he either collapsed or died?
If that didn't work wouldn't they just pull out some other weapon to kill him with and be done with it?
Logically yes but this was in no way a logical book
C.S goto is the most infamous black library writers and has been a meme for a long time
Eldar don't have fat at all... on a cellular level. though that doesn't stop their women from having milkbags... what did GW mean by this?
Hot elf woman.
Muscle mommy milkers
They have really developed pectoral
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Lelith making out with a demon of Slaanesh sounds like a canon breaking fanfic.
Why did I knew it was gonna be something by Goto?
Sounds like a book the Drukari would make people read to torture them 😁
Says its a bad book.
Says puts the eldar being stupid.
Dude its good or bad make out you mind please.
He just filibusters to keep you watching. Iv snapped here at him before for videos that are just mindless rants of nothing
ESL?
How is the eldar being stupid good when that isn't what they are supposed to be?
Gotta disagree they murder-f*cked a god into existence that eats their souls because they are bored lol.@@delta2372
None of the people under this comment get the joke
"...The self confidence of an overweight Eldar..."
Have you ever read “fire caste”? It’s a great book about the tau and guard
The author is basically doing heart of darkness in 40k and it’s awesome
Ah, C.S. Goto - the man who wrote some of the weirdest, crappiest works in all of Warhammer
Try Reading shadowbreakers… The space marines talk like COD soldiers
Reminds me of the war of the beast, saying all IFists have COD codenames.
I honestly quite liked Shadowbreaker. It was nice to have a Space Marine book where they had to work with normal humans, and both of them brought value to the team. I also liked the infiltration aspect of it, covert action with the best toys the inquisition can provide for the Deathwatch. It was also a competent portrayal of the Tau
I mean...They're the deathwatch. That's always been their thing, as far back as the first proper details of them.
They're Space Marine Rainbow 6. How else would they act?
Also: don't you go besmirching our short king Omni. I won't stand for it
@@meeszijlstra5426 the tau part was well portrayed thats true… but fine if you liked it.. diffrent taste
This entire thing feels like it's some in-universe propaganda the Imperium would use to demonize eldar.
Still waiting for your video on Konrad Curze and Nightlords.
It is indeed a really bad book. Sounds more like a fan fiction written by someone who isn't really interested in the lore and just want to write his own (bad) story. Fun fact, when I first saw the title of the video, I thought it was about TEaTD part 3 and I was like "hmm" then I saw the length
Well, atleast the book didn't have Joooohn frickin Gramaaaaticus
At least in the beginning of “Brothers of the Snake”, Priad was fighting Dark Eldar dealing from just crashing.
“And what are the stones for?! Going up his butt?? They might as well be!!” This is gonna be a fave of mine for a looooong time 👍 excellent book review 👏
Just discovered your channel for John Gramaticus hate video and know i love your channel ☝️🗿
CS Goto is most likely the reason the community came up with the term "Grimderp"
Cs Gotto was actually a ChatGPT prototype that had a memory leak, was connected to the wrong API and was shelved due to it thinking it was a third grade boy in the Schola Progenium. Obviously he has no contact details… he is everywhere, the imperium sees all😂
If you have trouble tracking down books online then you should look for my friend Anna - she has a lot of books available in the archive named after her. Most of them, actually.
I thought you were exaggerating but holy shit 💀💀💀
What do you feel more hate for? John Grimaticus or this C.S Goto book.
Worst codex ever next, please. Prehaps 7th edition tyrannids? It could also just be the worst lore changes in a codex.
That'd be the necrons before the revamp, lol.
"They're just zombies, lol. And there's only like 5 unit types"
@recurvestickerdragon Only 5 units might suck, but there also weren't obnoxiously overpowered and underpriced things like greyknight baby carriers back then. If there was hyper cheese like that back in 5th edition, please explain further.
In universe I just imagine an Ordo Xenos clerk with way too much time making a confused novel.
1st to comment.
I feel like the covennant of Isha is a cool idea 100% poorly executed.
All i learn was to invoke "The Covent of Isha" as a memetic weapon 😂
This probably beats out “Deathwatch: Last Guardian” but not by much. For those who haven’t read it, imagine being a deathwatch fan and grab this book because it’s one of the only 3 books covering them. Then reading it you proceed to find out it’s a Dark Angels book about hunting fallen in the dumbest ways 🤦
I played through the audiobook. That ending truly makes you seethe. Nothing worse than a Dark Angel pulling the strings behind the operation.
I can FEEL the anger emanated from you
I found this cursed tome at a garage sale, it is strange to see this video release minutes after handing in 1.50 in pocket change.
I should have left the misbegotten thing..
I mean, I can see an inquisitor lubbing up some soulstones for some alone time...
I remember giving C.S. Goto the same amount of 💩 as Uwe Boll. But with the stuff that has been out lately I believe I do owe both an apology.
RIP TORIYAMA!!!!! I will forever try to do the instant transmission..
I've read both of those deathwatch books and his dawn of war novels. Goto is canon-violator of highest caliber(called red midget by 1d4chan of all places).
At least they gave dawn of war 3 novel to a good writer (mcniven).
They made a DoW 3 book?
@@KillerOrca They did. Haven't played the game to compare the events. Robbie Mcniven treats characters(all of them) with respect and writes well (I would need to read more of his work, only read his dow3 and the last hunt for now). And gabriel did not do the terminator backflip in it anywhere. To be fair, tartaros pattern he wears would be mobile enough to do it if a system that could nullify the weight of it was installed(something I'd be using if writing for my own setting).
@@ivanivanovic5586 Guess I know what I'm gonna go looking for next time I go to tithe bookstore. Should hopefully be better than the DoW2 adaptation that saw Tarkus boarding a Tyranid hive ship
@@KillerOrca It's certainly better than that particular abomination of a novel. The Last Hunt was a White Scar novel(happens just about same time as guilliman gets off his long nap), those are quite rare.
The "real" Lelith wouldn't even have any fun with Goto, she'd just hand him over to the nearest servant of a Haemonculus
22:10 I actually hate this plotpoint. In the context of the novel it makes sense as characterization/character development. But from a larger, setting perspective, it makes me eyeroll, it's just more HFY human masturbatory material. Just like all the references to an Eldar princess falling in love with a human inquisitor.
It's yet another scenario where the insanely frothing at the mouth zealous, xenocidal, genocidal deathwatch, are "just honorable righteous, kindhearted heroic pure warriors betrayed! By the disgusting, conniving, evil, manipulative, cruel, and stupid Eldar! I guess these exarchs are one of the good ones though..."
I mean, I half expect that if it weren't for the "must be grimdark" tone of 40k, that shining spear exarch would've been made to fall in love with and pine after the space marine.
Angry Chrono is fun. I demand more. What else grinds your gears?
Hands down the funniest video I’ve ever seen Chrono do. That last minute rant sent me.
If there was ever a book thats non canon for sure, its anything written by Goto.
This is the Far Country of 40k.
My question is, how do various authors for 40k make sure they aren't contradicting each other? Seems like it would be impossible to not have horrible overlap and discontinuity
It sounds like you are internaly hangover.
Fitting.
Hey Chrono. Do you hate John Grammaticus or this book more?
Damnation of Pythos calling it before watching
Not even a bad book, just not relevant to the Horus Heresy metaplot.
Bro that book was at least entertaining. Deathfire was horrid.
Loved Damnation of Pythos. The survivors of the Iron Hands 111th clan company seeking a secluded base of operations to engage in a guerilla war against the traitor legions after Istvaan V, absolutely clowns on an Emperor’s Children battle group, then a glorious final stand against an infinite tide of chaos, with the Iron Hands being a total fucking meat grinder for daemons. Then the greater daemon leading them gets permanently wounded by their captain, Durun Atticus, with this daemon going on later to attack Guilliman, The Lion and Sanguinius on their way to Terra, prophesying Sanguinius’ demise, and Sanguinius taking hope from spotting the wound that Atticus had left on the daemon. Cool as all hell. Even though no Iron Hands made it off Pythos alive, it was still an excellent display of just how fucking badass they are.
This author really feels like someone who got beaten up by an eldar player as a child and never got over it
"Scribe it on a brick and throw it at someone" 🤣🤣🤣
Drukhari raiding Eldar? The premise is absurd.
Everybody forgets what ian watson did. 😂
i will die on the hill that Wolftime was actually good!!!!!!!! Great insight into the Wolves and most the hate is actually because the name of the book!
Im with you brother.
Even if blood was raining from the heavens and and fire spews forth from the earth. I will die roaring with you on that hill
I mean I’d argue that Ian Watsons Inquisitor is the worst but then again that book is so old and from such a different time period than modern 40k that only the wide strokes are even remotely canon
Now you've GOT to do Warrior's Brood.
Did anyone else notice how they went to town with the word "astartesian" in the end and the death volume 2?
In my most humble, and honest, opinion. I consider a bad book if it has the following characteristics, especially if it refers to this franchise and my personal taste (Which doesn't add much but good): 1. It has a lot of meaningless lore. Whether it's for the development of a character, to make him look cool, or because the writer wants him to be that way. And 2. That, like everything, it has classic errors in the story/dialogue, like big gion holes, WTF moments, mary sues, etc.
(If you don't agree with my comment, I kindly ask you to just ignore it in the most respectful way possible and forget about it. Please)
Goto always struck me the same way that what I call "Meme Lore Masters." His basic idea is the same as theirs:
"There is no actual 40k Canon. It is all just either unreliable narrators, or the information is so old that I think it can be ignored outright."
Basically they do not understand the term "Unreliable Narrator," which is usually only an issue in Codex lore blurbs due to being written by someone in universe, or it simply bothers them that some lore is 20-30 years old. While the old lore has never been retconned - for some reason many people think that its age _alone_ somehow renders it invalid. Despite nothing ever saying that the old lore somehow changed. I always assume these people are young adults or teenagers.
I’m curious how much of 40k lore is like this where it’s just people losing their minds over the summary and concepts of a thing without having looked into themselves. I feel it’s really common.
In my experience, mid-2000s Warhammer books are... not the best.
They’re VERY hit or miss, some are great and had a better vibe but this was just foul
Definitely want an answer on the fat Eldar line. If true I will find the fattest model avaliable kitbash him to look Eldar enough and call him Chef.
Black vikings lmao such garbage
How to break 40k?
GW: "I heard you guys like C.S Goto because you talk about him so much. So we asked him to write a story arch for the lost primarchs"
Funny to see this up after just finishing Sandmannof Terra's video of highest selling 40k books of '23. Why was a guessing it may have a certain perpetual in it?!
When I saw the thumbnail on my recommended feed, I had to check this video out to confirm it was talking about a CS Goto book (although I couldn't guess which one, they're all soo bad and I didn't read them all back in the day). Pleased to say I wasn't disappointed...
Oh, you're 100% right about Aspect Warriors not keeping their gear when they leave the path btw. That's best seen in the (admittedly released after this abomination of a book) Path of the Eldar series. Aspect Warrior armour goes back to the Shrine.
Lelith really looked at a slannesh demon and said "would"
Thank you chrono for reading a Goto book so that we don't have to.
What is the coven of Isha? I am new to Warhammer lore. I gather it was some sort of alliance between the Ordo Xenos and Eldar but other than that… what is it?
it's all
When I read "WORST 40K Book Ever Written", I thought "something by C.S. Goto book for sure"
The caliber of writing accetable to the Black Library is the most disappointing part of 40k. When the Lexicanum and 1d4chan have grammatically superior writing and more accurate lore than your official published works, you have issues.
And I can't stay immersed in a story if I am constantly correcting the writing. Just look at the phrase "suddenly inverted weapon." That's not how that is written. Nobody "inverts" a weapon. They 'reverse' it. This has been a gramatical constant in English literature and martial vocabulary for close to a century, at the very least.
I dunno, maybe I've just read to many good books by too many wordsmith authors, so now I am spoiled...
For all those talking about shit tier "loretubers" I would highly recommend Arbiter Ian aswell as the others mentioned like Arch/Leutin.... Mr Bones is another one thats pretty good an in the same theme as this channel. But Arbiter has been doing warhammer since rogue trader its actually fascinating to hear how the lore has meshed and moulded over the decades.
CS Goto and its all downhill from here. Oh yeah, rock bottom has a basement. My first 40k book was Hammer of Daemons, but my second one was an Eldar one by Goto. If I hadn't had a friend that was very enthusiastic about the hobby, I probably would have stopped after that Eldar book because it was that bad.
Edit: yeah the Eldar worshipping Slaanesh in that book checks. The one that I read was the same. As for keeping their gear, Eldar CAN keep the aspect gear but a Farseer wouldn't have any. Farseers are psyker specialists and got lost on that path, which is frowned upon by the Eldar despite the respect that they hold for Farseers. The ones that usually keep their gear are Autarchs, who are the martial equivalent of Farseers. The ideal in Eldar society are the Warlocks, who are balanced between the two paths.
Yeah, being a sexual deviant tracks for druhkari, but consorting with demons seems like a great way to get eaten by Slaanesh, the thing that druhkari do everything in their power to avoid.
Waitwaitwaitwait, back up a bit. So the Ordo Malleus can sense that the Drukhari are going to summon a daemon from like warp interference or whatever. And the fucking FARSEERS can't????