And bold for that matter. Though it is a shame this era is only covered in supplemental sources. I would love to see a novel, comic, or short story set in this era if Legends gets continued.
Don’t get me wrong I like legends a lot but it was definitely not anymore “original and risky” then anything else Star Wars has made. Exar Kun, Qel-Droma, Revan, are all Anakin spin-offs, Malak and Malgus are Vader, Vitiate is literally just the Emperor. The Sith in general constantly coming back the same way.
@@luckysix1015 I don't think so: .Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma and Revan were created before adult Anakin was introduced in the prequels. .Both Malak and Malgus, despite looking like Vader without helmet, have different personalities between them. .Vitiate is a solipsist psycopath while Palpatine is a power-hungry maniac.
“A culture's teachings, and most importantly, the nature of its people, achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves... or find themselves lacking. Too long did the Republic remain unchallenged. It is a stagnant beast that labors for breath... and has for centuries. The Jedi Order was the heart that sustained its sickness - now the Jedi are lost, we shall see how long the Republic can survive." - Kreia
Kreia had half the picture and thought it was the whole picture, but most of what she knew, the Jedi didn't, meaning there's a lot we can learn from her. Just don't follow her example.
Interestingly, once when I was playing Empire at War as the Empire, I believe it was Anaxes that the Rebellion sent fleet after fleet to take, and I defended it with only one Imperial Star Destroyer along with a few smaller vessels, a fully upgraded space station, and a hyper-velocity cannon. They must have attacked the planet at least a dozen times, but I can't recall them ever making landfall. Interesting to see that it was in a similar position under the ancient Republic.
now that you say it..yeah..as the etruscans also dominated a large domain..only to be beaten back bye some force and kinda fracture..and the same happened with the tionese..wow..thank you mr
And Xim's Empire is just like the story of Phillip II and Alexander the Great Xer(Phillip II) founds a small empire from nothing, his son Xim(Alexander) takes it to new heights with unique tactics and makes his small home country into the greatest power of the age. Eventually meets a colossal enemy in the south.
@@deadcunt9597, except, in Alexander's case, he managed to smash the Acheamenids, while Xim was beatened and humiliated by the Hutts, with the Tionese Empire being destroyed in the process.
Here is something you might have missed in Old Republic archives by Gnost Dural. The Sith Empire's fleet was seen in the Tion cluster after Korriban. When the Republic went to engage them, they didn't realize the Tionese had already switched over to the Sith Empire after the latter sent agents over to convince them to join the Sith Empire. The Republic Fleet was annihilated which allowed the Sith Empire to take, half the Galaxy in no time at all.
I do wonder how many lost colonies / exile groups of humans exist besides the Tion in Legends. I know of the dark Jedi of the 2nd schism(later the first true Sith), and potentially the Zakuul as well. However, I am unsure about any others.
They were constantly finding new ones, infact the near-human races like the Chiss, Nagai, Zeltrons and many others are all genetic offshoots of human descended from human colonies. Many people in universe believe humans were running around the galaxy at least 500,000 years before Yavin.
The lost tribes of the sith is a collection of stories about a ship of sith that crash land on a planet and form a new civilization over a thousand or so years I believe.
Many likely ended up near Korriban and Dromund Kaas. How else did the Sith Empire in Swtor have that many human troops enough to fight the Republic. Also it was stated in the novels that the exiled Sith Empire spent a good amount of time conquering nearby star systems and expanding with their first Grand Moff getting killed.
Geetsly's Then again think about how 1 average human could have been born. Witness the Clone Wars, live through the Empire and Death Star, then witness Starkiller base and the First Order. So much happens in that 60 year time frame.
Well, after WW1 it took only 26 years when humanity had created it's first atom bomb in WW2. An advanced warfare really speeds up the creation of technological wonders.
Imagine if the Tion cluster actually went and tried to be diplomatic and brought their issues to the republic and explained what the Hutts did and what they are as a civilization. Maybe the republic could’ve and the Tion Cluster could’ve allied with each other but people will be people and conflict will always occur.
I know Abeloth was probably cackling like a witch with how depraved and bloodthirsty humanity had become since she had brought them to the galaxy all those eons ago...
You describe the Tion Cluster's actions too sympathetically. The Tionese leadership wasn't just trying to defend their territory, they desired to pillage and plunder. They didn't just want to be free from the Hutts, they wanted to continue their centuries-long pirate campaigns. That the Tionese chose to go to war with the nascent Republic was emblematic of the colonial culture and not symptomatic of a brutalized people. The Tionese got the treatment they were dishing out, and so they deserved what they got.
Any images on those ancient war droids? This Republic history can come in handy for my fan fic. Also Goddamn demilitarization from ancient Legends Republic times to canon.
It's a long-standing cycle. The Republic would go unchallenged and demilitarized becuase nobody cared to challenge them. Then one guy with big plans would challenge them, the Republic would scramble together a military, the new military would go too far, and activism would force it to demilitarize.
@@bradmorales4002, yeah, I thought the Tionese civilization was so cool, I integrated them into my reimagining of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. In my headcanon, after the Galactic Civil War, the Tion Cluster becomes an independent state known as the Republic of Tion, putting its capital on Raxus and using a government very similar to that of the CIS and maintaining a very Separatist ideology. They would even use a droid army, and fight informal conflicts with crime syndicates like the Hutt Cartels and the Crimson Dawn, while also maintaining a rather... tenuous peace with the New Republic. I dunno, I just think that sounds like a cool idea.
12:24 tens of thousands of years huh? Those guys really know how to hold a grudge. Jeez. You think that there was somebody that lived that long to continue to sow such discontent.
I love this series. But everytime i here about boarders instead of volumes I die a little in side :( oh well I guess its the nature of making 3d space into a 2d map
Could you do a clone wars video like this? Where you explain the actual battles and politics of the war like you did in this video. Every video I’ve seen is basically just a recap of what happened to the characters in the show, none that talk about the actual war in a matter of fact way like you do.
"The Republic sought to send a message, so they ignored the surrender." That's... sending the message that surrender won't be honored, so fight until your last breath.
It was the original trilogy that got me hooked but "Legends" is where it's at the true Skywalker story ,yes Luke kick's the shit out ov everyone ends up super powerful but he earns it.😎
Something I’ve always wondered is how planets became countries, was there some kind of world conquest of a singular nation, and if so, why are a large majority of the planets under 1 government when they are discovered, and not like earth with hundreds of nations and languages
A live-action series and movie trilogy during this era would actually do pretty well considering the directors just have to read some scant lore here and there and fill in the gaps with original stories. As long as they stay true to what feels Star Wars but make it feel new and fresh, it shouldn't bomb. There's a time when new stories aren't actually bad and it's just an extremely vocal minority of fans that can't get out of the past...
An ancient Shell Hutt warrior would literally look an elephant-sized slug encased in cybernetic armor with a battle axe and plasma pistol massacring dozens of infantry...
Another great vid, like always. But I gotta ask a weird question because I'm weird like that, why did you put a picture of Jedi Master Soon Bayts from 8:55 to 9:07 at that point in the video? It just seems kind of random.
Man do I relate to the tioniese. In the face of globalism, in the face of the erratication of my culture, I can only relate. Sure I may not agree with their methods, but at the end of the day a man must protect his land, his family, and his culture. When you’re fighting for the survival of your people, it isn’t war anymore. War is a gentleman’s game. War has rules. Survival does not.
@@blackshogun272 Germanic. Ya know, seeing how in pop culture were villainized, and also how monuments and streets dedicated to german hero’s are being torn down and renamed because it offends the immigrants.
Well, the Republic as seen in the Prequels (the one brought about after the New Sith Wars) was 1,000 years old, but the Republic in general? That's been around for a long, LONG time.
![The Definitive Guide to the Hutt Species - Why they were SO Unique [Even in SW Terms]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WF8_muKtFxA/mqdefault.jpg)
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When’s the next installment coming. The Pius Dea is next isn’t it?
Hey Geetsly this might be a dumb idea but you should do a “what if the Yuuzhan Vong had shown up during the clone wars?”
I love to learn more about the Teioness culture.
Please do more on this section of space!
Will there be a part 4 to this?
Say what you want about Legends. There's something you can't deny: It was original and risky.
And bold for that matter. Though it is a shame this era is only covered in supplemental sources. I would love to see a novel, comic, or short story set in this era if Legends gets continued.
It paid off
Don’t get me wrong I like legends a lot but it was definitely not anymore “original and risky” then anything else Star Wars has made. Exar Kun, Qel-Droma, Revan, are all Anakin spin-offs, Malak and Malgus are Vader, Vitiate is literally just the Emperor. The Sith in general constantly coming back the same way.
It was also better than what we have now
@@luckysix1015 I don't think so:
.Exar Kun, Ulic Qel-Droma and Revan were created before adult Anakin was introduced in the prequels.
.Both Malak and Malgus, despite looking like Vader without helmet, have different personalities between them.
.Vitiate is a solipsist psycopath while Palpatine is a power-hungry maniac.
“A culture's teachings, and most importantly, the nature of its people, achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves... or find themselves lacking. Too long did the Republic remain unchallenged. It is a stagnant beast that labors for breath... and has for centuries. The Jedi Order was the heart that sustained its sickness - now the Jedi are lost, we shall see how long the Republic can survive."
- Kreia
Kreia was a beast and had many really good point in her critique of the force, the Jedi, society, and their interactions.
Kreia had half the picture and thought it was the whole picture, but most of what she knew, the Jedi didn't, meaning there's a lot we can learn from her. Just don't follow her example.
@@redstripedsocks5245 Given the narrative still had her lose… I wouldn’t be too sure.
I do want to hear more about this conflict. Nobody does that much on it.
Interestingly, once when I was playing Empire at War as the Empire, I believe it was Anaxes that the Rebellion sent fleet after fleet to take, and I defended it with only one Imperial Star Destroyer along with a few smaller vessels, a fully upgraded space station, and a hyper-velocity cannon. They must have attacked the planet at least a dozen times, but I can't recall them ever making landfall. Interesting to see that it was in a similar position under the ancient Republic.
The Tionese remind me of some strange combination of the Etruscans and the Samnites, the Republic, in this case being the Romans.
There's also little bit of ancient Greece in them, especially with their language.
now that you say it..yeah..as the etruscans also dominated a large domain..only to be beaten back bye some force and kinda fracture..and the same happened with the tionese..wow..thank you mr
@@Geshiko-GuP To a degree this is also similar to the fracture of D’mt and Axum in Antiquity.
And Xim's Empire is just like the story of Phillip II and Alexander the Great
Xer(Phillip II) founds a small empire from nothing, his son Xim(Alexander) takes it to new heights with unique tactics and makes his small home country into the greatest power of the age. Eventually meets a colossal enemy in the south.
@@deadcunt9597, except, in Alexander's case, he managed to smash the Acheamenids, while Xim was beatened and humiliated by the Hutts, with the Tionese Empire being destroyed in the process.
Very helpful to understand the whole history of the republic chronologically. Keep it up
Here is something you might have missed in Old Republic archives by Gnost Dural. The Sith Empire's fleet was seen in the Tion cluster after Korriban.
When the Republic went to engage them, they didn't realize the Tionese had already switched over to the Sith Empire after the latter sent agents over to convince them to join the Sith Empire.
The Republic Fleet was annihilated which allowed the Sith Empire to take, half the Galaxy in no time at all.
I do wonder how many lost colonies / exile groups of humans exist besides the Tion in Legends. I know of the dark Jedi of the 2nd schism(later the first true Sith), and potentially the Zakuul as well. However, I am unsure about any others.
They were constantly finding new ones, infact the near-human races like the Chiss, Nagai, Zeltrons and many others are all genetic offshoots of human descended from human colonies. Many people in universe believe humans were running around the galaxy at least 500,000 years before Yavin.
The lost tribes of the sith is a collection of stories about a ship of sith that crash land on a planet and form a new civilization over a thousand or so years I believe.
Many likely ended up near Korriban and Dromund Kaas. How else did the Sith Empire in Swtor have that many human troops enough to fight the Republic. Also it was stated in the novels that the exiled Sith Empire spent a good amount of time conquering nearby star systems and expanding with their first Grand Moff getting killed.
That’s the problem with the Republic. Never having a proper navy, and senate did not do or care much.
if it did then people would complain it was overly militaristic and oppressive. do or don't it loses either way.
Isn’t it crazy how quickly the Clone Wars went to the Death Star.
I mean it took 22 years to build it fully
Jack Swearingen not if you read Catalyst it isn’t.
Geetsly's Then again think about how 1 average human could have been born. Witness the Clone Wars, live through the Empire and Death Star, then witness Starkiller base and the First Order. So much happens in that 60 year time frame.
Well, after WW1 it took only 26 years when humanity had created it's first atom bomb in WW2. An advanced warfare really speeds up the creation of technological wonders.
@@jackswearingen1831 an average human also could’ve been born, witness the American civil war, WWI and WII.
Imagine if the Tion cluster actually went and tried to be diplomatic and brought their issues to the republic and explained what the Hutts did and what they are as a civilization. Maybe the republic could’ve and the Tion Cluster could’ve allied with each other but people will be people and conflict will always occur.
I know Abeloth was probably cackling like a witch with how depraved and bloodthirsty humanity had become since she had brought them to the galaxy all those eons ago...
It is called star WARS for a reason ;)
You describe the Tion Cluster's actions too sympathetically. The Tionese leadership wasn't just trying to defend their territory, they desired to pillage and plunder. They didn't just want to be free from the Hutts, they wanted to continue their centuries-long pirate campaigns.
That the Tionese chose to go to war with the nascent Republic was emblematic of the colonial culture and not symptomatic of a brutalized people. The Tionese got the treatment they were dishing out, and so they deserved what they got.
I haven’t watched the vid but I know I’m going to like it
I love it
Master Chief Petty Officer John 117 Geetslys Guarantee!
More please
Can do
Guess you can say Zim was an INVADER TO CARVE OUT HIS EMPIRE!
"The Senate did absolutely nothing..."
*[Insert current crisis here]*
The background music is amazing and calming
Any images on those ancient war droids? This Republic history can come in handy for my fan fic. Also Goddamn demilitarization from ancient Legends Republic times to canon.
"Okay, what can we do to placate the anti war protectors of our nation?"
"Romove the military!"
*Intense staredown*
'Anyone else? Anyone?'
@@mrbyzantine0528 is true then that PEACE IS A LIE.
It's a long-standing cycle. The Republic would go unchallenged and demilitarized becuase nobody cared to challenge them. Then one guy with big plans would challenge them, the Republic would scramble together a military, the new military would go too far, and activism would force it to demilitarize.
@@bradmorales4002, yeah, I thought the Tionese civilization was so cool, I integrated them into my reimagining of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. In my headcanon, after the Galactic Civil War, the Tion Cluster becomes an independent state known as the Republic of Tion, putting its capital on Raxus and using a government very similar to that of the CIS and maintaining a very Separatist ideology. They would even use a droid army, and fight informal conflicts with crime syndicates like the Hutt Cartels and the Crimson Dawn, while also maintaining a rather... tenuous peace with the New Republic. I dunno, I just think that sounds like a cool idea.
Waiting on the next episode of this series!! Really excited to learn about Star Wars history in detail!
I just realized this is a republic history video! So amazing
The tionese are way dope! Gimme more please! Specially the racghoul plague
This series is amazing
The more Disney Star Wars that comes out the farther I dig into legends
I'm loving this series!! Keep up the great work
Stories and videos like this with the map showing how it happened are amazing
12:24 tens of thousands of years huh? Those guys really know how to hold a grudge. Jeez. You think that there was somebody that lived that long to continue to sow such discontent.
This series is great
Interesting fact you might not know: Zim invented the sound of the lightsaber - "zim zim zim zim ziiiiim"
I love this series. But everytime i here about boarders instead of volumes I die a little in side :( oh well I guess its the nature of making 3d space into a 2d map
Gotta adjust
I need another episode of this. I love this series!
Geetsly can i say ur videos are so amazing they actually educate me! (In star wars)
We should have got Fordo in the Clone wars
Could you do a clone wars video like this? Where you explain the actual battles and politics of the war like you did in this video. Every video I’ve seen is basically just a recap of what happened to the characters in the show, none that talk about the actual war in a matter of fact way like you do.
"The Republic sought to send a message, so they ignored the surrender."
That's... sending the message that surrender won't be honored, so fight until your last breath.
They didn't think it through.
That's why you offer unconditional surrender.
The world of Lego 🤣it made me laugh sooooo hard.
5:42 Is that official Star Wars art or something else?
I’m asking because it looks more like an illustration from a Children’s Bible.
I love the high quality videos
During the Tion Cluster bit, I see Mona Lisa.
It was the original trilogy that got me hooked but "Legends" is where it's at the true Skywalker story ,yes Luke kick's the shit out ov everyone ends up super powerful but he earns it.😎
The digital mainstream media really didn't do justice to the lore
Something I’ve always wondered is how planets became countries, was there some kind of world conquest of a singular nation, and if so, why are a large majority of the planets under 1 government when they are discovered, and not like earth with hundreds of nations and languages
These story lines would make amazing movies
A live-action series and movie trilogy during this era would actually do pretty well considering the directors just have to read some scant lore here and there and fill in the gaps with original stories. As long as they stay true to what feels Star Wars but make it feel new and fresh, it shouldn't bomb. There's a time when new stories aren't actually bad and it's just an extremely vocal minority of fans that can't get out of the past...
I honestly need to see these freaking hutts in action because I honestly don't know how the hell they are so powerful
An ancient Shell Hutt warrior would literally look an elephant-sized slug encased in cybernetic armor with a battle axe and plasma pistol massacring dozens of infantry...
That first shot looks unsettling and I ain't totally sure why.
Geetsly: Barseg
My brain: Ba Sing Se
Could you do a breakdown about the republic ventor class star destroyer?
I love the republic history videos. Also I will join the discord @geetsly’s
Will this series be continued? I would love to know more.
Love this!
This episode sounds a lot like a Stellaris campaign.
Wait, using thexan and arcann on a video about 22000 BBY. That's illegal.
Clickbait!
Are there any plans to continue this series? I really enjoyed the longer videos and deeper lore
So Xim hadn’t even established a law of succession in his empire? LoL
Some folks never learn from history👍
Another great vid, like always.
But I gotta ask a weird question because I'm weird like that, why did you put a picture of Jedi Master Soon Bayts from 8:55 to 9:07 at that point in the video? It just seems kind of random.
Great game of Stellaris
True. The Tionese map quite well to the Commonwealth of Man. Those guys are such dicks
Every time i hear something about total war I have to think of the later half of ww2 from Germanys perspective
Man do I relate to the tioniese.
In the face of globalism, in the face of the erratication of my culture, I can only relate. Sure I may not agree with their methods, but at the end of the day a man must protect his land, his family, and his culture. When you’re fighting for the survival of your people, it isn’t war anymore. War is a gentleman’s game. War has rules.
Survival does not.
What culture of yours is getting washed through globalization?
@@blackshogun272 Germanic. Ya know, seeing how in pop culture were villainized, and also how monuments and streets dedicated to german hero’s are being torn down and renamed because it offends the immigrants.
@@stuglife5514 Who ya specifically do you mean by "German heroes" and who tf is really renaming streets out here. That last one just sounds extra 🤔
Yeah no.
So close
So Tion was basically the Texas of Star Wars
5:07 sigma male grindset
Senate always play dumb card
Frostma is cannon, can confirm...
I do not mean to be rude, but..... I want more.... So.... Get on with it? ;-))
PS. This should be canon
I don't understand why wouldn't Tion been allowed to leave the Republic after some time...
Because imperialism.
Part 4 plsss!!!!!!!!!
Didnt Palpatin say in the movies that the republic is only 1000 years old?
Well, the Republic as seen in the Prequels (the one brought about after the New Sith Wars) was 1,000 years old, but the Republic in general? That's been around for a long, LONG time.
@@occam7382 i see. I did ask a really dumb question.
@@Quirrel, nah, it wasn't dumb. If one didn't know about the Old Republic lore, they'd be right to be somewhat confused.
Is there going to be a part4?
When you realize there's a world called lego...
6:50, in the ash worlds, ironically
It was in the clone wars. It’s pronounced with an i not an l
Xer and Xim are neopronouns
0:40 see oalnet lego
3:59
So, the Tion Cluster is South Carolina?
Did they try to succeed from the CIS when things went to shit?
FInally got an equal
Invader Xim!
I understand that that the Tinese would be upset about their loss, but they started the conflict in the first place so why get mad hold the grudge?
'Cause they lost. People tend to not be happy when they lose.
How is there north and south in space? lol
Eysusu
✝️Fellowship invite
well the cis was the good guys if we think about it...
This is Chinese history only less brutal
Except the republic were at least trying to be the good guys.
The tyrenese were losers
2460th also if any1 dislikes I’ll find them
I was Fourth :)
May the Fourth be with you ;-)
Hioeue
How tf does a planet come up with space travel before democracy?
What does democracy have to do with tech?
Unpopular opinion: Canon is more interesting than legends.
I too like to live dangerously.
@@peterdonlon2083 It is my opinion...