The Wasted Potential of Carl Grimes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2022
- In this video, we will be talking about the worst decision that the walking dead ever made: the death of carl grimes.
Carl grimes death was the worst decision AMC's The Walking Dead ever made, from a story perspective, and everything else. Carl Grimes had such wasted potential that wasn't tapped into.
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Yup in season 11 after Judith got shot and Daryl was Running with her I kept saying to myself how much better that Scene would have been if it was Carl Running with his little sister in hand🤔
Ugh I completely agree. Imagine how beautiful that would be of a scene?
Just like rick carried carl in season 2..
For real. There are many scenes I keep looking back on and imagine Carl in its place. Like when Alpha showed Daryl her entire walker herd. That should've been Carl.
I get chills just imagining that scene
Grown up Carl would’ve been so epic. Just to see his developmental growth and how he would turn into a leader like his father
i honestly wouldn’t mind if they brought carl back in the most ridiculous way (like he wasn’t really dead he was just sleeping) . i would ignore it and keep on watching
Lowkey feel the same way😂
If they brought Carl back they could do what the creator of a movie I watched do and have it that his death was either in another world or was just a dream 😅
*fires chandler to avoid paying him an adult salary. *hires 6 actors the next season and gives them big comic moments
The thing about Carl's death was that it made Rick leaving so much worse than it should've been. It left a hole in the show that even Daryl or any other characters couldn't fill. It would've been a perfect setup for Carl to step up as leader for everyone to look up to and keep the communities together, while also taking care of his younger siblings with Michonne. It breaks my heart that a show I grew up watching went so downhill because of this one stupid decision they couldn't come back from. Carl should've lived to the end.
Couldn’t agree more and couldn’t have said it better myself. Cheers!
It would have taken advantage of Chandler, you know, aging.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 For real. His character was like 13 or 14, and the actor was already 18 and clearly showing it.
@AshTheFlash100 Yeah, and Enid was still around and she basically looked the same. So the whole time skip thing would not have been a valid reason to kill him off.
@AshTheFlash100 Yeah your 100 percent right harry was a complete joke of an replacement for Carl Scott gimple completely fucked the show they need to make a animated series of the comics or something remake the show because it started great then just ended so bland it’s actually sad lol
When Glenn died I expected it, it happened in the comics so it didn’t affect me a ton but killing off Carl hurt so much worse i stopped watching the show after that. I love Chandler Riggs and I absolutely loved Carl Grimes.I agree with your statement that this was the worst decision they could’ve made.
Couldn’t agree more man
This is the exact point where I stopped caring about The Walking Dead. It wasn't when Glen and Abraham died. It was when they killed Carl. It doesn't make sense. I kept watching after that but I never really enjoyed the show like I used to.....I loved this rant and thank you for putting my feelings into words. You have gained yourself a subscription sir
@Cincoat I felt like I had an obligation to watch it to the end. After all, I grew up with the show. I was around Carl's age when I started watching it (which made his death so much worse for me considering I was growing up along with him). I didn't want to stop watching it considering it was such an important show for my grandmother and I. But, it never was the same after Carl's death, and I kept hoping it could boost back up, but I was left disappointed most of the time. The whisperer war was pretty good, and some parts of the finale had me on edge, but that was it. Even then the finale left a lot of things unanswered.
Unfortunately, Glenn's death was canonical. Carl's... not so much
The fact they had to create Henry just proves they needed Carl.
They(AMC) truly just didn’t want to pay Chandler. As you said, he was turning 18 at the time. He easily was going to negotiate a higher salary than anybody else on the show. Even Norman Reedus. He’s been there since Day 1. Unfortunately AMC gave him the boot. Seasons 9-11 was definitely supposed to be Carl’s show after Rick left
If I’m remembering correctly, a huge reason why Andrew Lincoln left the show was because of the way they treated Chandler Riggs, in addition to wanting to be with his family. So, had Carl not died, Rick might have stayed in the show for a bit longer, or just not have left altogether.
@feebiefinch chandler actually confirmed that in a reddit post. He said the first time Andrew talked seriously about leaving was the day everyone found out carl was dying. He said he was on his trailer and Andrew came in, hugged him, apologized many times and said he was tired of the show
@BrunaOneGirlBand Not just Andrew Lincoln. Apparently *everyone* was pissed. A move like this, killing off a character right after the showrunner told him they wanted him for 3 more years, is an absolute trust-killer, and is made exponentially worse when they're all so close with the actor. There also had to be the deja vu factor, because they did this before with Laurie Holden.
@@X525Crossfire right? I know Jeffrey Dean Morgan was particularly pissed too, he expressed it publically many times, even saying the Negan-Carl relationships was the main reason why he wanted to be on the show. He said he will "forever be disappointed".
Keeping Carl alive would have made michonne and Rick leaving make more sense. At least Judith and rj would have had Carl to take care of them 🤷🏻♀️
I remember R.J. Being so insignificant, when they first introduced him, that a lot of fans - including myself - wondered if he was even real, and was just a figment of Michonne’s imagination. Because they barely ever showed him.
But the main thing is they replaced a white dude with a black kid. That's all that matters to these people these days it's so tiring.
What are you even talking about 😂😂😂 you racists live in constant delusion@@angelsackson
Woah for a small channel like this its underrated as hell you deserve more subs
Wow, thank you so much! That truly means a lot!
No
I've always been nothing but pissed about Carl dying. I was one of the people who grew up watching him grow up, and because of that I had an attatchment to the character. The last thing my dad gave me before he died was carl's hat. I'm guilty of wearing it A LOT too. I kept watching after they killed carl off but I enjoyed the show less after that. Definitely the worst thing they could've done. He was suppossed to be the last man standing!!!
I'm surpised that this hasn't gotten more attention. Great video man!
Same. I was around Carl's age when I first started watching the show, so I basically grew up with him. I hurt so much when he died, and for people to try and justify this decision by saying "It had to happen" just hurts me even more.
@@yesbutno5720 I felt the same as well man at least we got the comics
“Judith Grimes fkn sucks” 😂😂 I couldn’t agree more! Your commentary was spot on!
Thank you!!! Judith Grimes DOES fkn suck!!!!
They were really onto something in season 3 with Carl. He was sharp, would kill anybody who threatened the group, and I could see him potentially leading the group. Then season 4 and 5 came and he was baby sitting Judith most the time. His character just went downhill from there
Somewhere along the lines of "In The Walking Dead, nobody is safe."
They did it to shock everyone. They really thought people would be like "Well I'm not happy about Carl's death, but bravo Scoot Gimple! You are a FANTATISTIC writer!!! WOW I REALLY NEVER THOUGHT CARL WOULD DIE YOU GIYS GOT US!!!
And people to this day still praise him and put him on a pedestal like he was the best showrunner of the series. He literally ruined TWD, then went on to ruin FTWD.
I feel like Gimple was trying to copy Game of Thrones by killing off a major MAJOR character simply for shock value. He doesn't realize that the death of a main fucking character has to make sense and actually impact the story in a positive way. Killing Carl pretty much killed the spirit of the Walking Dead, killed the goal and drive of the main protagonist, making sure Carl survived the apocalypse. The entire show was setting up Carl eventually living past Rick and taking his place since way back in season 2. Gimple just decided to entirely derail this layered story for shock value.
The biggest suspension of disbelief i have about Judith is the fact that they gave Judith Rick's MASSIVE revolver and have her shooting it like its nothing. Idc if she grew up in the apocalypse and practiced shooting every single day there is no way her tiny arms could handle that much recoil. Not only that but it looks ridiculous when she holsters the gun and it's half the size of her entire leg. At least she's not even a main character through most of the remaining seasons. She's like a c-tier character at best. Eugene does more in the final season than Judith lol.
Carl’s death was the worst decision ever, I agree with almost everything you said. I loved Carl and I loved Chandler’s acting, and I think the show would be so much better and wouldn’t feel as cold and empty with him. I do want to say, though, that I do like Judith. She in no way can or should try to replace Carl, but I think the actor does a good job and I enjoy a fair amount of her scenes.
Yeah, I just wish they could've done a better introduction with her. Popping all of those walkers with a gun that's too big for her to hold just really took me out of that scene.
Not to mention with Judith: she’s a KID, a kid rather then a grown man who stepped up and took the place of his father after his father died/left a grown man who knew his father and would always try to do what’s best and thinking “what would dad do” rather then a girl who didn’t know her dad and has no experience of her dad and how he acted
Finally an old school TWD fan who understands what the entire story was about leaving the world a better place for your kids than the world that was left to you.
I thought Morgan would have been the reason why Rick spared Negans life since in season 6 Morgan kept talking about how 'all life is precious' and because Morgan built the cell that Negan ended up being imprisoned in.
That honestly would've been good. Either him or Jesus considering Jesus taught Morgan how to spare people. Definitely didn't need to be Carl, who constantly wanted Negan to be dead up until his death
I think that's getting set up but then shake up over at fear happens and they moved Morgan there
I firmly believe that if they didn't decide to kill him off, he'd have his own spinoff right now
Lmao actually that’s probably true
I could see him riding off at the end of TWD alongside Daryl to find Rick. It would bring the Grimes family story full circle, with Carl being the one to ride off into the apocalypse looking for his dad, and it would be the culmination of:
* Daryl's arc to not be going off on his own, with a found family member (in place of his toxic brother Merle) he trusted with his life watching his back.
* Carl's growth, to have gone from a kid everyone had to look out for to someone the biggest badass on the show trusted to watch his back out in the wilderness.
Dude couldn't act also who would tune in to watch Carl lmao
@@Iletyoulive idk people who watch FTWD? All I know is they have a spinoff for like. Every character on the show who lived. Wouldn't surprise me if they did one for Coral
It seemed like the writers never knew what to do with Carl, he had some cool storylines but they where short. The one I really wanted to see that we didn’t get was the storyline on the road to Alexandria in the comics but we didn’t get that Carl was just there in the back around. Also I hate how they made Carl do a 180 from season 7 to season 8 to make his death wish make more sense. So dumb…
Carl was there to give Rick a purpose. That’s all I saw him as !
I will forever be pissed that they killed off Carl. So many great moments could’ve happened between him and Negan.. him and Michonne.. him and Alpha.. HIM AND JUDITH 😢😭😫
I completely agree, I have always thought it was such a bad move. Also Carl should not have gotten bitten in such a stupid way. It was off camera and we did not see the whole honoring Sidiq's mother or whatever,, but I think that if Carl was going to be bitten it should have been because he was bravely fighting and killing walkers to help protect his family and community.
Carl was my fav character too 🤧
It’s very sad :/
I honestly believe the only reason we got the 6 year time jump after Rick left was because they needed someone to carry the grimes legacy and Judith was the only one left,
I don’t think there’s much to believe about that to be honest. I’m pretty sure they publicly stated that
@@jerrystakes oh ok fair enough 😅 it also pissed me off that they aged up Henry to give him the Lydia romance, like you said about Judith that was another dumb replacement for Carl that shouldn’t of happened
Classic leftist/woke garbage after the time jump. Get rid of carl and replace him with a stunning brave little girl... and deaf black lesbians.... Honestly it's just so brave!! 🙏🏻
I loved the "Old Man Carl" theory and the show ruined it too
Agreed
It's very obvious the writers don't respect the comic line and it's fanbase 💯💯💯
Completely agree
Moral of the story just read the source material and don't watch the show if amc adapts it
Facts
The biggest problem with Carl dying in the show is that, as an adaptation, it basically means the premise of the show's entire story is completely different from the source material given that they couldn't do the comic's ending after that point.
With all the spinoffs, the only ending that could work now is Al Gore with his grandkids in a rocking chair. "And those are the unfortunate truths of what will happen if we don't properly fund climate change initiatives."
@@1KayBilly Why do I want this now
AMC ruined TWD by killing Carl, same as they did with FTWD when they made Morgan & kids show.
I Couldnt believe when carl died i wish so badly walking dead would have ended with old man carl telling his life story
But also Carl's potential was wasted across the entire show. It never felt like the Grimes family story like it did in the comics. Carl was severely underutilised and neglected as a character. He never had the same relationship with his father as he did in the comics, he never had the same dark complexity, he was never as badass and felt like a man that's lived a lifetime of trauma in a child's body. He was relegated and sidelined to a babysitter for most of the later season, Chandler's acting and dialogue became cringey, and they gave so many of his iconic comic storylines and moments to other characters. And the ironic thing is that literally in the next season, he would be given his most important role in the story! But then they just do a 6 year time jump to age Judith enough to be an actual character and give Carl's Whisperers storyline to Henry and kill him off anyway.
I love the Walking Dead and it’s been such a huge part of my life growing up. I’m the same age as Chandler so watching him as Carl was like growing up with the character for me. By season 4/5 Carl became my favorite character. I could not believe they killed Carl mid season 8. I have never been so blindsided by a show knowing how the comics ended. As much as I love the show (and still do at least for the first 8 seasons) I was so angry I quite watching 2-3 episodes into the back half of season 8. I have never been so enraged by a character’s death on any show like I was with Carl. I’m glad to hear someone share these feelings and go on this rant. Killing Carl was the worst decision and when I was done watching. Thanks for the rant!
They ruined Carl's character well before he died. He's such a shell of his comic self. They barely even tried. Then they killed him off and gave his story line to Henry and cast a wooden plank to play older Henry.
Scott Gimple is an awful showrunner in general. He has absolutely no mind for how to handle a show properly. He ruined fear the walking dead after he got his hands on it after season 3 as well.
The big issue is that Gimple seemingly cannot plot longterm. He has no vision from multiple season standpoint, which is why things started to trudge along seasons 6-9. He's a gimmick king, whatever the instant gratification shtick might be at a given time, that's the route he takes, regardless of how it effects the overarching story. He writes for the big shocker moments and cliffhangers, but pays no attention to what happens in between or the overarching story. It's the same reason why characterization was so shit after season 5. Characters became a one dimensional shells, who only received any sort of attention or development when Gimple wanted to kill them off for a big extravagant shock moment.
I really wish they could retcon the whole thing and pick back up from season 5. It was the perfect story to that point, and had such insane potential. But sadly, even if that were a possibility, that magic has long since faded, which is a shame. So yeah, anyways fuck Scott gimple.
Absolutely Agree. Andy certainly cemented his choice to leave when Carl died.
Also, THANK YOU for being a comic reader. The amount of "TV Only" people is astounding.
Would it be cool if instead of Michonne finding Rick, it was Carl, in season 1, Rick tries to find his family that includes Carl, and then at the end of the series, Carl tries to find Rick, and it came full circle, like the spin-off would be Rick and Carl, instead of Rick and Michonne
i’d actually prefer that it would give an excuse for chandler to not show up in the end episodes of season 10 and all of season 11.
You're right about Carl but way off about Judith.
Thank you!
If Chandler's acting was the main problem why not recast the character especially when they knew a time jump was coming? Don't get me wrong, I hate recasts for long established characters but anything would've been better than killing him off. I also don't buy the excuse they had to kill him to give Rick the incentive to spare Negan's life. Because guess what Rick does the same thing in the comics and Carl didn't need to die for Rick to save Negan. But I think what makes me most angry about the whole situation is that Chandler was promised another 3 years on the show and he was making plans for college and bought a house closer to set and they literally waited until the last minute to tell Chandler they were going to kill him off after Chandler made so many plans. I mean these people literally watched Chandler grow up on the show since he was 10 years old, have some respect. But Chandler has stated he had no problems with how his character died and seems to not harbor ill will towards the show and the people behind the scenes. I also would love to know how Andrew Lincoln felt about Carl's death and how Chandler was treated.
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Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words. Happy new year!
I actually do agree Judith was an ok character but she felt pretty forced at first that she was badass or like Carl but she wasn’t better than Carl and definitely didn’t replace him
Yeah. That has never sat well with me too. I heard that Chandler wanted to go to college, and there was bad blood between him and the higher ups, but this is a tv show. Just like you wrote him into existence you could have written him off the show with the potential to bring him back later on.
I think TWD started to go downhill when they killed all the "Light" Characters, The ones that still had Hope Like Glenn, Abraham, Sasha, and Most Importantly Carl
And Honestly amc deserves to fail after kicking off the guy from Shawshank Redemption and Green Mile. tired of these companies who have gold in their hands trade it for their own agenda or needless greed. and REPLACEING HIM WITH SCOTT THE GIMP!?!?!?!?!!??
I just don't understand if they didn't like his acting. They already did a timescape. Why not just recast carl with an older actor that actually can act similar to what the show the vikings did with ragnar's son, they did a time skipped and recasted his son
I remember tanking through Glenn and Abraham cause i fucking HATED how they killed them off, obviously everyone knew glenn was gonna die cause of the comics but i fucking hated how they lumped they’re death’s together cause no one even fucking remembers Abraham, it’s just “glenn’s deaths scene” and to take make it seem like Glenn’s death could’ve been avoided if Daryl controlled himself was ASS then carl died and i threw in the towel and it fucking sucked cause TWD was and still is the only show i ever watched on going on cable and got excited for
obviously shane's daughter would outlive coral.
How so?
great video man, i fully agree, you deserve wayyyy more subs :)
Killing Carl had nothing to do with the plot. It was driven by AMC not wanting to pay Chandler Riggs a reasonable salary.
The worst part is that they lied to Chandler a week before telling him he was going to get more screen time as an adult. He bought a house and deferred college to do the show.
Listen... Bestie I have some news for you it was 100% about the money of having to Chandler an adult salery and being able to hire two younger actors. ( this is the general consensus in the fanbase and it makes sense when we see how much money AMC loses yearly). I do really think Andy would have stayed if they didn't fuck over Chandler as badly as it alledgly went down, Danai also would have likely have stayed, and the newer seasons wouldn't have been so messy.
Now for the Judith hate it's not far to compare her as a kid to teenager/young adult Carl, I personally think she's far more interesting than Carl was at that age in the show. Judith is Rick's kid, let's not invalidate adoption/found family bonds, that is family. Rick/Michonne are the only family that little girl knew, as her parents.
I do 100% agree that killing off Carl was stupid and unfair to Chandler/the story in general and led to a series of events that led to the downfall of the later seasons. I do think Judith and RJ having Carl there throughout all of it, even if Rick and Michonne did leave would have added more to the show.
I 100% believe it was because chandler was about to turn 18 therefore AMC would've had to pay him more and we know AMC fired Frank Darabont because they cut the budget in half for season 2 that's why we ended up stuck on the farm for the majority of the season Frank had big plans but he couldn't see them through because of AMC.
@Jerry'sFilmTalks THe story goes that Chandler was Spelling the beans , telling people spoilers and production found out about it. He got canned the day of his 18th bday
I haven't watched last 2 seasons so I'm rewatching the show now, and Lori talking to Carl right before she died means so much less now,..Carl death is worst decision in any show ever even worse than last 2 seasons of GoT
Carl could have potentially carried the show after Rick left. It’s still a fun show to this day but it doesn’t seem to have a “lead” character anymore.
I like Judith as a concept, but they made her too one-dimensional and gave her too much power, which was obviously them overcompensating for having Rick and Carl gone.
Like she’s just too mature for a kid, yknow? Like Clementine in season 2 of Telltale’s TWD, where they want Clem as the main character, but she’s just an eleven-year-old. And so you have so many situations where you have a group of literal adults looking to a *child* to tell them what to do.
And then there’s the way she’s just able to handle a shoto and a revolver. It’s just so unbelievable for her to be able to have the strength to not only handle the recoil of the revolver, but the strength to cut apart limbs and split open skulls given her age, height, and muscle mass.
Going back to Clementine, the most believable thing given Clem’s age is the way there’s multiple scenes dedicated to show that, even though Clem can scavenge for herself, make her own food, treat her own wounds, etc. it’s still super hard for her to kill a walker.
In S2E1, it takes multiple hits with a branch to kill a walker that’s tied up, in that same episode she barely manages to survive a walker that gets into the shed she’s in.
In E2, the player has the option of trying to use a rifle to fight off a walker and not only does it not kill it, it knocks her straight on her ass. There’s also a point in that episode where Clem has to shoot at walkers and, because she’s a kid, she typically misses 1-3 shots before she’s actually able to kill them, even if the player hits the heads dead-on.
In E4, there’s a whole segment with another character, Jane, where she’s teaching Clem how she can take out a walker by herself (kick the knee to bring it down to her height, then go for the head). And so on and so forth.
Meanwhile, Judith is *years* younger than Clementine and not only is she able to do all the things mentioned above, but she’s also just able to head shot them without issue.
S9E14 sort of tried to rectify this, where there’s a brief moment when Judith gets too cocky and gets overwhelmed by walkers, but this never happens again for the rest of the series.
Would’ve been nice if they took the lee clementine route between carl and Judith and they could’ve fueled this idea with finding there dad and dealing with the whisperers ark and so on
If the show ended at Season 8, and the season was rewritten to make Coral's shift in perspective more believable, I would've been fine with the decision.
Agreed with it, wasted potential
Dude this is the first time I ever heard someone go off about this topic the way I do. It pisses me off. Sometimes I wish I couldn’t have written the show because I would have done it better than certain people did. Anyway it’s nice to see someone talk about this like I do! I have always wanted to make a video about this and you know what, I think I will lol!! Your video has given me the confidence to make one of my own on this topic lol!
Carl Grimes dying WAS the worst decision on that show for sure. Up until that point, I did my very best to stay away from learning about the behind the scenes process. I just didn’t want to spoil the very reality-based energy the show was generating. But once Carl died, I needed to know what the fuck actually happened. It’s terrible. My favorite show of all time is now an embarrassment that I can’t even bring up in a conversation with friends about my favorite show. Everyone I know hates it. I rarely meet anyone who speaks on this show fondly or in a dignifying way. I’ve had to mentally pretend that the comic book ending IS the television show ending just for closure.
that Judith scene was the end for me aswell.. Carl death killed the show
Yea I kinda had the same reaction to Judith’s lil dance with ricks gun lol
The worst part for me is that they proved that they're willing to write characters out of the story in cheesy generic ways only AFTER they killed Carl. Rick wants to leave, he'd certainly go searching for a disappeared Carl, Michonne same thing. Absolute cheese that they killed the future of the show for shock factor
I agree with you 100 percent.
The reason I stopped watching the show and I don’t care about any else about it in the future.
It's like you said, Chandler was turning 18. It comes down to money sadly. I would have wanted them to choose to kill off 3+ other important actors to keep Chandler to the finale.
If they wanted to get rid of Chandler why not write him off by the CRM taking him instead of Rick. Then get a Carl spin off where he's well trained and reunites with Rick eventually
“Judith Grimes is not even a Grimes” harsh but fair man jeez just warn me before you make a statement like that
i think you're correct that they didn't find Chandler Riggs as an actor. Also, the turning 18 thing would have meant paying him more?
Yes, there’s a ton of regulations around hiring actors under 18 too
I have been The Walking Dead fan since my 12/13 years, now I will be 23 this year and I am totally on your side with this and most of your opinions
Killing off Carl Grimes was the biggest mistake ever that killed the soul of the show, from the source material I get why Glenn had to be killed off even tho he was sort of a soul there with Carl, but yes it is and always have been a Grimes story
We watched Chandler grew up, hell I did and even tho I haven't read every comic book I know how great he became after All Out War, and it was already starting when he saved his people
Andrew would still leave and there still could've been The CRM story but having Carl still with us, matured one even after the time jump, it wouldn't feel so, so empty I Guess
From 1-6 it was consistent, I Remember what happend almost in each episode, their names etc.
It was concentrated on our group and everything, once Negan came, it has changed, Steven Yeun brought a lot to twd but u still get the plot, but setting up Judith to save Magna's group and be the Walsh "future" Carl should've stayed with even the current storyline and it would be 10000 times better than making my beloved characters do stupid stuff due to writing, like Carol or Daryl being grumpy all the time
Hell even us fans with zero filming experience would make it better and definitely more than Fear writers who got high or drunk or both when they were writing 4,5 and 7,8
6 was the best of those I named
Flying walkers in hurricane, people threatening themselves and none of them does anything 😂
Dwight and Morgan acting out of character
Strand being and absolute jerk for no reason cause it felt weird 😂
Are the proof of that and many more
One of the funniest things was bringing Madison back right after Alicia left with zero reunion there😂
I liked Judith as a character but she couldn't take carls comic role. He remembered lori, he remembered rick, he remembered shane, he remembered andrea. He knew what the world was like before the apocalypse and rick could instill his values into carl. Judith remembers no one that died before rick left, she can't have a real perspective on the events that happened because she was a few months old. She's simply in no position to take that role
I agree 100% How can you kill off The main reason for Rick Grimes Fighting to survive.? Then in season 9 you let Andrew Lincoln AKA Rick Grimes leave the show ? As a fan of the show I watched all 11 seasons. For me This was the point Where I was like WFT are you doing gimple. He is the reason the show lost viewers.
Carl died off when he was finally growing facial hair too.
I agree 👍 💯
Judith Walsh is a knockoff Carl and everybody knows it. They owe the fans an explanation why they ruined the show
I agree that killing Carl was a terrible decision. Scott Gimple ruined what was left of the show. Honestly, their first worst mistake was losing Darabont. He understood the assignment. Season 1 was so different from anything else on tv. There were so many deviations from the comic afterward. A deviation that could've been interesting was if Shane had left when he said he was going to. He could've shown back up after Lori was gone, and Rick had finally come to the same conclusion. Would've been interesting to see. They did Andrea's character dirty in the show, but her actress was rather annoying. Imagine seeing a Rick and Shane team up. It could've been epic, but I honestly love Bernthal as the punisher. Carl should've been the last man standing. I wasn't fond of his character in the beginning. His show counterpart was so much worse than his comic character. He grew on me though, and I actually started to enjoy his screen time. They did Chandler dirty. Scott Gimple was hands down the worst thing for the show. The writing had a pretty good uptick with Angela Kang. But the story had already been ruined.
i think Judith is a fine character, she just doesn't fit the replacement role that they shoehorned her into.
I completely agree with you
Thank you!!!
Lol I twitter begged Gimple to PLEASE write in that Carl was immune..killing Carl ruined Judith for me..I didn't care for her replacing him..but then they did screw the first writer you know the true expert..
"Judith Grimes fucking sucks" Sir you get a Like for that.
Not all heroes wear capes. 🫡
I love Judith, but she could never replace Carl simply because she’s so young. I never wish she had died, but I would have loved to see her and Carl being friends and him showing her how to survive after Ricks gone.
i've always really known all the deaths to the walking dead since i've gotten spoiled to it a lot but i've never actually came around to finishing the show so recently i started watching it again and i believe about 3 months ago i finally got to the episode where glenn died and after that the show just felt a little off without him, i stopped watching after that for a little and picked it back up 2 months ago, now i think i'm about 3-4 episode before the episode carl dies and i do not know if i'm gonna be able to watch the show after he dies, it's gonna feel so weird not seeing him or seeing any major event without him, it's how i felt with glenn so it's most likely whats gonna happen with carl
I think Chandler Riggs the guy who plays Carl. He talked about it, I'm pretty sure or the cast where the show did. I'm pretty sure I remember he left to go to college because he got into this college, you really wanted, and he left the show to go to college, and if he hadn't have gotten to that college, you wouldn't have left the show
I couldn’t get behind Judith because she was such a “Mary-Sue” character. I find it strange why she is the only child that knows how to fight and is mature as she is. In season 3, in the prison Carol was teaching the kids how to defend themselves and Lizzie ended up saving Tyrese during the Governors attack on the prison. It wasn’t just Carl that knew how to use a gun or had a mature outlook on the world. He was still rather childish in his views but Judith is like a little adult. She isn’t a kid at all. And like you said she’s Shane’s kid not Rick’s. WHY does she have a relationship with Negan? How did that even come about? Judith was one of the worst characters to me just like her stupid mother lol
I think Judith had a relationship with Negan in order to give him a redemption arc. I see this a lot in media, especially video games, where writers will take an otherwise morally deplorable (or sometimes morally ambiguous) man, stick him with a young girl or woman for him to become a sort of father figure for, and watch as audiences fall in love with him and forgive his actions.
The showrunners didn't really know what they were doing.
Carl should’ve stayed alive in my version of the show season 9: Carl becomes the focus of the show after rick gets blown up and he becomes the leader of Alexandria or Michonnes right hand man I would have him still talk to Negan and want to be a blacksmith and stuff like that and have Enid still die on the Pikes Henry still be with Lydia season 10: we see more of carl dealing with enid and wanting some sort of revenge for enid when Michonne leaves carl would take care of Judith and RJ Season 11: carl would be in the commonwealth arc and help Maggie and Negan carl and Daryl would be soldiers for the commonwealth and in my version the finale would have either rick coming back or Daryl and carl leaving to find Rick and they would have their own spin-off
Dude you are rhe first person I've seen to just come our and break the ice on this and speak facts. Them killing him was so stupid.
I completely disagree with the point about Judith personally, And I think Cailey Fleming is a great young actress who does a wonderful job portraying the character. I do understand where you're coming from though. And I do absolutely agree Carl should have survived through the rest of the show. I cannot fathom how that decision was approved and I believe they should have kept his character much closer to the Comic version. Chandler Riggs deserved better and while the show overall was still pretty good I think that this decision absolutely did irreversible damage to the series in the long run. Great video! You def deserve more traction
A bit long:
Like you said, in the comic, the newborn Judith dies and Carl becomes the main protagonist during the fight against The Whisperers. In fact, after killing Carl in the series they spread his stories to other characters, such as Henry or Judith herself.
In addition, there are two versions of why Carl was killed. One is that the actor, Chadler Riggs, wanted to go to college. But it turns out that, even if he really did plan to go to college, the actor's family bought a house closer to the shooting and it is said that he was promised 4 or 5 more years of filming.
Then the other version is that they fired the actor when he came of age so they wouldn't pay him the same as an adult actor. The family was going to sue them, but it is not known what happened. The actor himself said that when they started shooting the biting scene, he didn't know exactly what they were doing. He had to ask the writers to find out that they were filming his death, and it came as a surprise to everyone, even for Andrew Lincoln, the Rick actor.
Carl growing up to be a leader, a husband and a father. It was going to be a wonderful thing.
I fucking LOVE your video and take! I agree 100% Judith ain’t shit & Carl is a G 🤣🤣
I genuinely forgot to mention RJ cause he’s irrelevant
WOOOOO thank you so much!!!!
You said it! That's the whole point ~ Carl grimes IS the Walking Dead. He's the reason Rick fought so hard ~ he wanted a safe world for Carl to grow up in. I was gutted when he died. I loved his character and acting right from the start and I'm picky picky when it comes to kid acting. Judith is a good character but she's not Carl and she wasn't with us from the beginning. I'm still fuming over the decision and I always will.
tbh i never really liked carl. but, when he got killed off I realised how critical he actually was to the story. and now I also think it was the worst mistake the show ever made too.
Hey, killing off Carl was the worst decision and I agree. But let me tell you that this is not first worst decision that they ever made.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Henry at all. He was annoying
I’ll probably be making a video about him soon
Finally someone's who's just as annoyed and pissed of about Carl Death as me cause I was so passed and I haven't even read the comic yet
Your going to be even more mad when you read the comics
Well... Merry Christmas to you, mister man.
Isn’t that from always sunny?
@@jerrystakes oh, I don't know, I just said mister man, because of the key and peele gay gangster sketch 😅
I 100% agreed with you. I drop walking dead when I found out Carl was going to be killed off. (I think it was leaked or something) and I was recording it and binge watching it at that time. But I just couldn’t do it anymore when Carl was killed. I was like we spent 8 year watching this kid grow up and become who he is suppose to become and this show just kills him off. All that time and energy as a viewer was wasted and I just couldn’t give this show my time and energy and emotional support anymore. Like you I was ok with Glenn and Abraham. But Carl was a final breaking point for me. I had to stop and walk away. And I am happy I did. I just decided to come back to the show to finish it off and I am happy I did. I got to come to terms with watching Carl die before actually watching him die, and I was ready to meet Judith (who is very Marysue and drives me up a wall, but I will accept her if I have too). I am waiting for season 11 to drop onto Netflix tomorrow and I am looking forward to binging the final season before the spin off all start. But I still get very upset that Carl had to die, it just made no sense.
I forgot RJ existed until you mentioned it 🤣
Absolutely correct