this world CAN AFFORD a war , be it nuclear or otherwise ... we WILL ONLY suffered ONCE ... the US needed to be taught a very good lesson ... what you said is correct "50 to 60 cities destroyed" ONLY then reality WILL set in
have you ever been in a war? have you ever fought in one? you don't know what you're talking about. In wartime there would be no more access to electricity, clean water, nevermind the internet. there will be *no food* in supermarkets, and all supply chains cut off, like essential medications and supplements. If you think pandemic was bad and everyone was fighting over toilet paper, you are not going to want to go through a nuclear war and survive it
You obviously don’t understand the aftermath of a nuclear war. China does not need to lob any nuclear bombs to the US. All it needs to do is detonate all their 300+ inside China and the end result is exactly the same as shooting it over to the US. It is not 50-60 cities in the US and thousands of cities in China. The resulting nuclear fallout will lower global temperatures by up to 8C resulting in 99% destruction of agriculture globally and radioactive particles will spread throughout the world, those who die immediately will be the lucky ones, those who don’t will face starvation, mutations, the EMP resulting from the detonation will kill off anything with electronics (which is pretty much everything from our water systems, electricity systems and transportation system) and disintegration of global order. A nuclear war between the US and China will result in killing off more than 90% of the world population. So yes, we WILL ONLY suffer once, that once will bring in the best case the global collapse of civilisation globally or in the worst case the extinction of all biological life on the planet. We won’t suffer again because we will be back in the stone age assuming the best case scenario. Seriously 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ statement you made This is why a nuclear war is referred to as MAD (Mutually assured destruction)
Whether the US will provoke a war in Taiwan depends on the wisdom of the Chinese people in Taiwan. I am betting on Taiwan to elect the KMT in January 2024. If so, the war can be averted, and the US will try another flash point to instigate a war. I am betting on the Chinese to continue to settle border disputes so that my children and grandchildren can live in a better world.
I'm wondering about the structural issues related to an active US military involvement in Taiwan: 1. Is it guaranteed that our Asian allies will allow US conflict actions to be based on their territory? Wouldn't China strike those assets? 2. If not, is an ocean based strategy sustainable? 3. Have US war planners ignored the idea of a conventional reaction strike on the US mainland if the Chinese mainland is struck? 4. Why is the government of Taiwan not recognized as escaping losers of a civil war which, under allied military protection, allowed them to invade and conquer Formosa/Taiwan as a refuge until the West could reestablish them as the puppet state they were meant to be?
In answer to 4: It is because Chinese propaganda doesn't automatically get the status of accepted truth. How about this: We recognize the real losers in the civil war as the CCP which sat by and let the nationalists defeat Japan and then when the nationalist army was depleted from the fighting the CCP swooped in and defeated them. But was too cowardly to take Taiwan. There is a virtual consensus in the world on one China. How about One China being governed by the government that has proven superior. The system of government used in Taiwan. Not only is it a free country rather than a fascist country like the CCP regime, but it has a much more successful economy.
The "one CHINA" principle meant precisely that ... i) there is only one CHINA and Taiwan is an integral part of CHINA ... and ii) the government of PRC🇨🇳 is the sole legitimate representative government of CHINA . IMO, on the international arena (在国际舞台上) wherein CHINA has geopolitical relations with other nations, the political leaders on Taiwan region, (refusing to accept the fact that the PRC🇨🇳 is the sole legitimate representative government CHINA), will inadvertently provide an excuse for US🇺🇲& its Allies to shift surreptitiously their "one China" policy to become a "one China, one Taiwan" policy and also provide an excuse for US🇺🇲 & its Allies to manipulate and spin the Taiwan problem as an "ideological issue of democracy vs autocracy" and to sell more military arms for them to continue the old unfinished 1949 civil war. IMO, as long as the current "one CHINA" status quo (across the Taiwan Strait) remains unchanged, PRC🇨🇳 will exercise great restraint and patience to achieve reunification by peaceful mean. Let's pray and hope that the Chinese people (中华民族) living on both sides of the Taiwan Strait will have peace, progress, prosperity and happiness. 两岸一家亲, 家和万事兴。
Unfortunately, US keeps provoking China. It recently states to give Taiwan more space on international stage. This makes you wonder that a war is probably the US wants currently. I hope China is prepared when there is one.
N & S Korea had had an armistice - temporarily stoppage of war. Mainland China and Taiwan province are technically still at civil war - hence one China. No petitions for divorce, no separation order. No surrender. At best, restrained tolerances with griping and threats like many marriages.
Unfortunately another comment from Kishore that totally one-sided in fovour of China. It is stated in the United Nation that any territory that had been self rule for a considerate period had the right to decide its own future. Therefore Taiwan HAS THE RIGHT to decide its own future and if Taiwan choose to independence, the world should and must respect and support the decision of Taiwan people!!!
Veteran Kishore mahbubani Ji very honest and ironic statement about us China war scenario in the issue of Taiwan But sar how about Ladakh and eastern border China with India We are also humilatimg thousands of years what is your opinion about Indian trace and sycology I am Hindi speaking please ignore my mistakes
He will talk only with us, europe and China.. Not considering Chinas continuous aggressions and bullying on its neigboring countries esp india, taiwan, philippines.
Don't change the formula. It would be even better to make the formula unchangeable. One (territorial) China which include the island of Taiwan. A Taiwan that is self governing like it is today and for the government of Taiwan to uphold the sovereignty of China over the island territory. This will end foreign interference of China over Taiwan.
The key is for the two to stop trading, and decouple. It would also be good if the USA removed its chip fabrication facilities from Taiwan. The USA should also abandoned the One China Policy, which it only pays lip service to.
@@randdresearch not break off diplomatic relations, just economic relations. China is starting a demographic crisis. Its days as a manufacturing power have come to a close. Better get disentangled now, rather than later. The USA needs to get disentangled from Europe, as well. The IMF and World Bank need to be disbanded.
@@Placid_Cat we can’t decouple overnight. But over the course of a few years? Yes. And the fabricating tech in Taiwan is US tech. So yes, that needs to go so the PRC can’t get their hands on it. It’s a national security issue.
@@Placid_Cat it’s totally US tech. No way the Taiwanese could build that themselves. All the tech is got on license from the USA and the Dutch. Let’s hope the USA can get the tech out of there, so they don’t have to bomb the factories on their way out, when the PRC invades Taiwan.
Thing gone the opposite way. Taiwan Government is fearing Mainland China of their rapid growth. Also people lost faith in leadership of Tsai just like Americans lost faith in the Biden's Administration . This is not about Democracy or Communism , it is about good governance .
What about this arbitrary nine-dash line thing? What basis does China have to justify their claims over this random nine-dash line in the south china sea? UNCLOS already ruled in 2016 that PRC has no territorial right. Yet they have built air bases there.
China claims the islands within the nine-dash. It's not within UNCLOS's mandate to determine the sovereignty of those islands. If you look, you find that several nations have overlapping claims in those waters. They should all sit down to talk things through.
US has not even ratified the UNCLOS treaty. You know what that means? It means, they have the right to claim your country's jurisdiction even by fabricating causes and reasons to make their invasion justified. That's what they did in Iraq and Libya.
@@2seraya I agree... The powdered white gold and more archaeological discoveries. Why is it called the 9 dash line? Is it pertaining to the 9 dragons? Those are conspiracy theories but I have read some hints about them.
In a nuclear war nothing in this world can survive this earth will turn into a dead planet if this is what we want then say goodbye to your loved ones now hopefully we meet in heaven i only pity the innocent young n old who have to perish together with the evil b cruel ones i pray to the almighty god to save the souls of the innocent young n old the rest of the evil cruel ones can go to hell n burn there the people in this world have gone rotten to the core n dont deserve to live anymore come on start the war now n finish with it once n for all goodbye everyone amen
The speaker also forget about their own country or perhaps his heritage in India also hv friction in lac which India did nothing to provoke China but China wants the higher ground started sort skirmish. China is not China of before that they follow intl rules all dey think no matter who dey will confront as long as they are in the upper hand dey will lie low (at the moment). Even Taiwan sit still do nothing to provoke China I believe China will still take Taiwan no matter Taiwan behave or not. China think getting Taiwan dey are in the upper hand of strategy so dey justify der invasion.
You are wrong. my friend. You have been seriously brain-washed by the westerners' imperialists, colonialist, and interventionist brain-washing, SAD story.
PLEASE do NOT blame the U.S. or Taiwan if the war starts. BLAME the criminal organization of the CCP regime!!! Taiwan is an Independent free country that doesn't want ANYTHING to deal with the criminal organization of the CCP regime. The Taiwanese people does NOT want to be slaves of the CCP regime like the Chinese in the Mainland.
You are at the epicenter of a hysterical anti-China propaganda campaign in Japan. It is bad enough in the US but Japan is especially being targeted with lies about China. China wants peace with Taiwan, and happy to have it running with its own separate system, despite being in a stable relationship and partnership with China. The US is endlessly running proxy wars around the world by taking over the media after sponsoring a leader that can be elected by being provided the larger funding campaign over competitors, and then creating hatred with a neighbor and destroying the country it claims to be protecting - same routine time after time.
You do not even care to watch the video: U.S. recognized that Taiwan is part of China. As implied by Kishore Mahbubani, U.S. is actively provoking in trying to change the agreed status. We all know that Japan had colonized Taiwan and enslaved Taiwan people and is now trying to promote Taiwan independents. This Japanese aggressive act will just lead to a war between Japan and China.
Does Taiwan not have a constitution? Are its political parties not required to abide by the constitution? Taiwan's constitution clearly states that the Taiwan island is only a part of its territory and that the rest includes the mainland. If someone wants independence, leave the island, otherwise the mainland, as part of its "territory," considers it obligated to "help" Taiwan maintain its constitutional dignity.
Unfortunately, war is big business.
Dr Kishore I admire your wisdom
Same here
He is a paid Minion by the CCP regime 😒😒
Shame to Kishore, most of his comment didn't make sense at all 😂
We’re not dealing with high IQ, rational leaders in the US, so there is no way they
can be reasoned with!
he can't even control his sphncter
Or maybe pure evil, who knows...
@@yaqiwang5242 agree, bloody evil
that's actually an advantage.. not a disadvantage
Wasting breath debating this topic. The world will only know peace when US is wiped off the map, period.
@Judge Dredd You will only understand calmness when your testicles are removed.
@@terryanderson5148 typical western bigot. Full of air but ballsless 🤭. You appear worried that the US is the most hated nation on the planet 🤭
this world CAN AFFORD a war , be it nuclear or otherwise ... we WILL ONLY suffered ONCE ... the US needed to be taught a very good lesson ... what you said is correct "50 to 60 cities destroyed" ONLY then reality WILL set in
have you ever been in a war? have you ever fought in one? you don't know what you're talking about.
In wartime there would be no more access to electricity, clean water, nevermind the internet. there will be *no food* in supermarkets, and all supply chains cut off, like essential medications and supplements. If you think pandemic was bad and everyone was fighting over toilet paper, you are not going to want to go through a nuclear war and survive it
you a bot?
@@MarketStoic is that ALL you could muster .. put forward your argument iF NOT stay out
You obviously don’t understand the aftermath of a nuclear war. China does not need to lob any nuclear bombs to the US. All it needs to do is detonate all their 300+ inside China and the end result is exactly the same as shooting it over to the US. It is not 50-60 cities in the US and thousands of cities in China. The resulting nuclear fallout will lower global temperatures by up to 8C resulting in 99% destruction of agriculture globally and radioactive particles will spread throughout the world, those who die immediately will be the lucky ones, those who don’t will face starvation, mutations, the EMP resulting from the detonation will kill off anything with electronics (which is pretty much everything from our water systems, electricity systems and transportation system) and disintegration of global order. A nuclear war between the US and China will result in killing off more than 90% of the world population. So yes, we WILL ONLY suffer once, that once will bring in the best case the global collapse of civilisation globally or in the worst case the extinction of all biological life on the planet. We won’t suffer again because we will be back in the stone age assuming the best case scenario. Seriously 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ statement you made
This is why a nuclear war is referred to as MAD (Mutually assured destruction)
Do not be mad, sinking an aircraft carrier is an enough lesson. I doubt either side will use a nuclear bomb.
In the end, Politician won and gained something, civilians lost everything. US wanted this war so their presence will be needed.
Whether the US will provoke a war in Taiwan depends on the wisdom of the Chinese people in Taiwan. I am betting on Taiwan to elect the KMT in January 2024. If so, the war can be averted, and the US will try another flash point to instigate a war. I am betting on the Chinese to continue to settle border disputes so that my children and grandchildren can live in a better world.
Beyond its chip manufacturing facilities in Taiwan, I don’t think the USA cares about Taiwan.
If the Chinese continue "settling border disputes" thorough aggression against their neighbors, that is hardly a recipe for peace.
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I'm wondering about the structural issues related to an active US military involvement in Taiwan:
1. Is it guaranteed that our Asian allies will allow US conflict actions to be based on their territory? Wouldn't China strike those assets?
2. If not, is an ocean based strategy sustainable?
3. Have US war planners ignored the idea of a conventional reaction strike on the US mainland if the Chinese mainland is struck?
4. Why is the government of Taiwan not recognized as escaping losers of a civil war which, under allied military protection, allowed them to invade and conquer Formosa/Taiwan as a refuge until the West could reestablish them as the puppet state they were meant to be?
In answer to 4: It is because Chinese propaganda doesn't automatically get the status of accepted truth.
How about this: We recognize the real losers in the civil war as the CCP which sat by and let the nationalists defeat Japan and then when the nationalist army was depleted from the fighting the CCP swooped in and defeated them. But was too cowardly to take Taiwan.
There is a virtual consensus in the world on one China. How about One China being governed by the government that has proven superior. The system of government used in Taiwan. Not only is it a free country rather than a fascist country like the CCP regime, but it has a much more successful economy.
The "one CHINA" principle meant precisely that ...
i) there is only one CHINA and Taiwan is an integral part of CHINA ... and
ii) the government of PRC🇨🇳 is the sole legitimate representative government of CHINA .
IMO, on the international arena (在国际舞台上) wherein CHINA has geopolitical relations with other nations, the political leaders on Taiwan region, (refusing to accept the fact that the PRC🇨🇳 is the sole legitimate representative government CHINA), will inadvertently provide an excuse for US🇺🇲& its Allies to shift surreptitiously their "one China" policy to become a "one China, one Taiwan" policy and also provide an excuse for US🇺🇲 & its Allies to manipulate and spin the Taiwan problem as an "ideological issue of democracy vs autocracy" and to sell more military arms for them to continue the old unfinished 1949 civil war.
IMO, as long as the current "one CHINA" status quo (across the Taiwan Strait) remains unchanged, PRC🇨🇳 will exercise great restraint and patience to achieve reunification by peaceful mean.
Let's pray and hope that the Chinese people (中华民族) living on both sides of the Taiwan Strait will have peace, progress, prosperity and happiness.
两岸一家亲, 家和万事兴。
🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩You have earned my vote for peace on earth.
Unfortunately, US keeps provoking China. It recently states to give Taiwan more space on international stage. This makes you wonder that a war is probably the US wants currently. I hope China is prepared when there is one.
The USA should abandon the One China Policy. It only pays lip service to it. Better to be honest about it.
Yeah..I agree. I think the Chinese in Taiwan and China will have to work out their win-win solution to avoid US having excuse to start the war.
The CCP is not the sole legitimate representative government of China.
Sagely words indeed from Prof Mahbubani !!! ... 👍👍👍
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It is very difficult to try to avoid war with the US because that is their raison d'etre.
The ancestors tombs are on the mainland.
N & S Korea had had an armistice - temporarily stoppage of war.
Mainland China and Taiwan province are technically still at civil war - hence one China.
No petitions for divorce, no separation order. No surrender. At best, restrained tolerances with griping and threats like many marriages.
Taiwan China and Mainland province.
Kishore, how to handle China claims on South China Sea?
Hope kmt. Wins next taiwan election
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These questioners take an eternity to get to the point
but US cannot wait . they want it fast
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This question can be answered in one sentence: Do not invade Taiwan.
Unfortunately another comment from Kishore that totally one-sided in fovour of China. It is stated in the United Nation that any territory that had been self rule for a considerate period had the right to decide its own future. Therefore Taiwan HAS THE RIGHT to decide its own future and if Taiwan choose to independence, the world should and must respect and support the decision of Taiwan people!!!
Veteran Kishore mahbubani Ji very honest and ironic statement about us China war scenario in the issue of Taiwan
But sar how about Ladakh and eastern border China with India
We are also humilatimg thousands of years what is your opinion about Indian trace and sycology
I am Hindi speaking please ignore my mistakes
He will talk only with us, europe and China.. Not considering Chinas continuous aggressions and bullying on its neigboring countries esp india, taiwan, philippines.
Don't change the formula.
It would be even better to make the formula unchangeable. One (territorial) China which include the island of Taiwan. A Taiwan that is self governing like it is today and for the government of Taiwan to uphold the sovereignty of China over the island territory. This will end foreign interference of China over Taiwan.
no american in Taiwan no war well happened 100/ clear
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The key is for the two to stop trading, and decouple. It would also be good if the USA removed its chip fabrication facilities from Taiwan. The USA should also abandoned the One China Policy, which it only pays lip service to.
@@randdresearch not break off diplomatic relations, just economic relations. China is starting a demographic crisis. Its days as a manufacturing power have come to a close. Better get disentangled now, rather than later. The USA needs to get disentangled from Europe, as well. The IMF and World Bank need to be disbanded.
@@Placid_Cat we can’t decouple overnight. But over the course of a few years? Yes. And the fabricating tech in Taiwan is US tech. So yes, that needs to go so the PRC can’t get their hands on it. It’s a national security issue.
@@Placid_Cat it’s totally US tech. No way the Taiwanese could build that themselves. All the tech is got on license from the USA and the Dutch. Let’s hope the USA can get the tech out of there, so they don’t have to bomb the factories on their way out, when the PRC invades Taiwan.
DO NOT TEST ALLAH !!!
Taiwan represents the hope that China can be a democratic country... So why fear it.. 🤔... Albeit, 'who' fears it...? 🤔
Thing gone the opposite way. Taiwan Government is fearing Mainland China of their rapid growth.
Also people lost faith in leadership of Tsai just like Americans lost faith in the Biden's Administration .
This is not about Democracy or Communism , it is about good governance .
What about this arbitrary nine-dash line thing? What basis does China have to justify their claims over this random nine-dash line in the south china sea? UNCLOS already ruled in 2016 that PRC has no territorial right. Yet they have built air bases there.
Just curious, is the US a signatory to UNCLOS. ?
China claims the islands within the nine-dash. It's not within UNCLOS's mandate to determine the sovereignty of those islands. If you look, you find that several nations have overlapping claims in those waters. They should all sit down to talk things through.
US has not even ratified the UNCLOS treaty. You know what that means? It means, they have the right to claim your country's jurisdiction even by fabricating causes and reasons to make their invasion justified. That's what they did in Iraq and Libya.
There are treasures in and under the South China Sea. That treasure will benefit all the countries surrounding the sea and perhaps beyond.
@@2seraya I agree... The powdered white gold and more archaeological discoveries. Why is it called the 9 dash line? Is it pertaining to the 9 dragons? Those are conspiracy theories but I have read some hints about them.
this is when i disagree with kishore
In a nuclear war nothing in this world can survive this earth will turn into a dead planet if this is what we want then say goodbye to your loved ones now hopefully we meet in heaven i only pity the innocent young n old who have to perish together with the evil b cruel ones i pray to the almighty god to save the souls of the innocent young n old the rest of the evil cruel ones can go to hell n burn there the people in this world have gone rotten to the core n dont deserve to live anymore come on start the war now n finish with it once n for all goodbye everyone amen
The speaker also forget about their own country or perhaps his heritage in India also hv friction in lac which India did nothing to provoke China but China wants the higher ground started sort skirmish. China is not China of before that they follow intl rules all dey think no matter who dey will confront as long as they are in the upper hand dey will lie low (at the moment). Even Taiwan sit still do nothing to provoke China I believe China will still take Taiwan no matter Taiwan behave or not. China think getting Taiwan dey are in the upper hand of strategy so dey justify der invasion.
You are wrong. my friend. You have been seriously brain-washed by the westerners' imperialists, colonialist, and interventionist brain-washing, SAD story.
No one can accept the presence of foreign military near or even inside their respectful territory.
Economy economy..my fd..... Power is might.... Talk is cheap..
PLEASE do NOT blame the U.S. or Taiwan if the war starts. BLAME the criminal organization of the CCP regime!!! Taiwan is an Independent free country that doesn't want ANYTHING to deal with the criminal organization of the CCP regime. The Taiwanese people does NOT want to be slaves of the CCP regime like the Chinese in the Mainland.
Naw. Let's blame America. Same for Ukraine, Iraq, Serbia, Lybia, Syria, Sudan.... the list is endless
You are at the epicenter of a hysterical anti-China propaganda campaign in Japan. It is bad enough in the US but Japan is especially being targeted with lies about China. China wants peace with Taiwan, and happy to have it running with its own separate system, despite being in a stable relationship and partnership with China. The US is endlessly running proxy wars around the world by taking over the media after sponsoring a leader that can be elected by being provided the larger funding campaign over competitors, and then creating hatred with a neighbor and destroying the country it claims to be protecting - same routine time after time.
You do not even care to watch the video: U.S. recognized that Taiwan is part of China. As implied by Kishore Mahbubani, U.S. is actively provoking in trying to change the agreed status.
We all know that Japan had colonized Taiwan and enslaved Taiwan people and is now trying to promote Taiwan independents. This Japanese aggressive act will just lead to a war between Japan and China.
Talking about criminals. Some countries hasn’t apologise for the war crimes in asia. So don’t talk rubbish
Does Taiwan not have a constitution? Are its political parties not required to abide by the constitution? Taiwan's constitution clearly states that the Taiwan island is only a part of its territory and that the rest includes the mainland. If someone wants independence, leave the island, otherwise the mainland, as part of its "territory," considers it obligated to "help" Taiwan maintain its constitutional dignity.