Foxes, waveshine Nair is a mixup at mid to high percent cuz they would most likely be DI'ing out to get as much distance off of the shine. You can condition a marth to do this and then waveshine Nair em and then it's an easy edgeguard.
Great video Connor! Love how detailed this was. Could not have been easy finding all these clips for all the different characters. You put in a ton of work for this and it shows! Hope to see more videos from you in the future
@@jonathondelemos4609 no but there's no extra input delay and the max rollback is less than 3 frames, so even in the worst case, you'll still see the fastest moves like fox shine, so it barely ever affects gameplay
Thank you so much for this video! I was just getting the hang of waveshine but I really didn't know how to use it in different matchups and it ended up being kinda useless (especially against falco).
this is fantastic, more content like this that enumerates combos and such are really useful. You could do one about kill confirms, for example: what kill confirms should fox look for against sheik at which %s?
I don't think censoring MacD out of existence is the right thing to do. It just doesn't help in any way... Especially considering that he was one of the least dangerous individual who got banned during the purge of Summer 2020.
Don't have to wiggle out of tumble actually, you can either time the jump well or use Up on control stick for a 3 frame buffer. Still have to somewhat time it though
@@SSBMTutorials That same buffer applies to the "wiggle out" where you just need one stick input to get out of tumble normally (without jumping out), right? Or am I misunderstanding? Are your inputs locked out if you miss the window early (similar to missed tech, for example) or something? I feel like I should know this shit after playing for as long as I have, lol.
I know it's semantics, but why don't we call "short hop" hop and "full jump" jump, instead of having to qualify the height every time? Nothing to do with the video, just something that always occupies my brain whenever I think melee tech discussions.
how tf do you jab out of waveshine???? I swear my waveshine is long enough but fox and falco are always too far away from me to jab them. please help me
it's possible to escape. If you're talking about against Sheik at low percent, she can SDI the nair up hard and double jump out, but she's still in a really bad spot. However most people will just get combo'd by this
Shit like this is why I don't, and probably never will main Fox. Not because I don't like all of that juicy waveshinyness, quite the opposite. I would wanna do that all the damn time and will surelly obliterate my hands down the line.
you might be confusing weight with gravity. fox and falco, despite being fastfallers, have low weight. peach, on the other hand, has a slow fall speed but a high weight. fox and falco’s lower weight makes them more susceptible to being knocked down. a character’s fall speed is unrelated to their weight. weight also affects the speed of fox’s upthrow animation. this is why upthrow upair is so much harder to land on peach. fox/falco = lightweight, fastfaller falcon = heavyweight, fastfaller puff = lightweight, floaty peach = heavyweight, floaty
Congrats on finally made it to 100k! I’m glad this channel is back. It fills a hole needed in the community.
Great video, I'll need to learn these. Showing footage from actual matches where these combos were used by top players was a very nice touch.
Appreciate all the effort taken to get example footage from unranked and tournament sets, I know that's always p time consuming haha
Just wanna mention that the covering of abusers in the vod examples doesnt go unnoticed and is appreciated!
Best smash channel in TH-cam, these guys deserve way more than 100k, top notch content
Foxes, waveshine Nair is a mixup at mid to high percent cuz they would most likely be DI'ing out to get as much distance off of the shine. You can condition a marth to do this and then waveshine Nair em and then it's an easy edgeguard.
It's crazy to see slippi and non slippi clips in the same video. The game just looks so much nicer in new clips.
Great video Connor! Love how detailed this was. Could not have been easy finding all these clips for all the different characters. You put in a ton of work for this and it shows! Hope to see more videos from you in the future
ssbm tutorials truly popping off recently, keep it up!
Connor the legend 🙏
Next is gunna be a falco shine combo tutorial:
Shine->imagination
Thanks so much for the tutorial!
Amazing knowledge drop. Thank you so much for this hard work
Great vid I was looking for this exact video everywhere
Man the connor vids on this channel are so good and don't have any hot takes in them, I love it
Never mind there was a reactability mistake
@@spacebiggles I apologize for the mistake. I promise I'm doing the best I can with the limited amount of time I have lmao
Aw. I was anticipating PAL Marth. Great video. I wish I had this back in 2013/2014 when I was active and learning.
I am pretty sure no Melee scene in the world still uses PAL. It is basically irrelevant in this era.
8:20 lmao even trade
Lol fox does 800 inputs in rapid succession... peach pressed the yellow one down one time.. seems about right to me
Connor this is an amazing resource, thank you
I didn't realize you came back till today.
Welcome back.
Could we get a video like this for comboing the weirdos? I'm talking of course about Samus, Yoshi, ICs, and Pikachu
And luigi...
yes I will do this
- kira
Upthrow combos would be dope!
Nah I'm still chaingrabbing falcon from 45 to 70, I only ever had like 2 mfs jump out of it lol
How about essential shines against top tiers with 80 ping
Double shines and drills
@@Lampaluile that’s assuming you even get the dash
80 is like offline?
@@abjoern if you are offline there is no ping between locations. So no it’s not like offline
@@jonathondelemos4609 no but there's no extra input delay and the max rollback is less than 3 frames, so even in the worst case, you'll still see the fastest moves like fox shine, so it barely ever affects gameplay
this is probably the most helpfull video you guys have thank you so much
Thank you so much!!!!
Nice video Connor.
100k subs Pog
Awesome video thanks!
Great video!
I'm a very casual player, and watching this makes me really want to learn Fox.
LOVE U CONNOR
Great video awesome idea!
Defenetly what you need to learn about shine
Thank you so much for this video! I was just getting the hang of waveshine but I really didn't know how to use it in different matchups and it ended up being kinda useless (especially against falco).
this is fantastic, more content like this that enumerates combos and such are really useful. You could do one about kill confirms, for example: what kill confirms should fox look for against sheik at which %s?
I don't think censoring MacD out of existence is the right thing to do.
It just doesn't help in any way...
Especially considering that he was one of the least dangerous individual who got banned during the purge of Summer 2020.
such good content
Great vid man!
Could you do something similar with falco shine follow ups?
cool
yes
SSBMT, what do you think of Gildedguy's Falcomaster Anime?
i clicked hard on this
Shine JC usmash is actually pretty nasty against puff too
A Falco one'd be cool.
8:38 Why is MacD censored in this clip?
Nevermind, I understand now.
If Peach players were as good at SDIing as Wizzrobe that infinite wouldn't last long.
How do you double jump out properly as Falcon??
I would assume wiggle out of tumble as early as possible?
Don't have to wiggle out of tumble actually, you can either time the jump well or use Up on control stick for a 3 frame buffer. Still have to somewhat time it though
@@SSBMTutorials That same buffer applies to the "wiggle out" where you just need one stick input to get out of tumble normally (without jumping out), right? Or am I misunderstanding? Are your inputs locked out if you miss the window early (similar to missed tech, for example) or something? I feel like I should know this shit after playing for as long as I have, lol.
I know it's semantics, but why don't we call "short hop" hop and "full jump" jump, instead of having to qualify the height every time?
Nothing to do with the video, just something that always occupies my brain whenever I think melee tech discussions.
how tf do you jab out of waveshine???? I swear my waveshine is long enough but fox and falco are always too far away from me to jab them. please help me
try jabbing way earlier. most likely your waveshine isnt max length either but it shouldnt matter unless it's really not smooth
@@SSBMTutorials thanks for the feedback
Yes I want this
Not trying to start anything but why is the guy at 8:40 censored? I’m just curious
Covering up those accused/confirmed of accusations of sexual misconduct. Don't need to shine any more light on em
Do more videos on mid tiers
At 8: 39 why is there a black square?
Redacted
I have a question is u-throw, n-air/b-air , u-tilt a true combo
it's possible to escape. If you're talking about against Sheik at low percent, she can SDI the nair up hard and double jump out, but she's still in a really bad spot. However most people will just get combo'd by this
Shit like this is why I don't, and probably never will main Fox. Not because I don't like all of that juicy waveshinyness, quite the opposite. I would wanna do that all the damn time and will surelly obliterate my hands down the line.
mario tutorial pleaseeee
Moar shine plz
Run shine upair is soooo good vs falcon
0:56 I think you got light and heavy backwards!
nope, kira is correct. higher weight == less knockback, which for fox’s shine, means that they don’t take enough knockback to fall over.
you might be confusing weight with gravity. fox and falco, despite being fastfallers, have low weight. peach, on the other hand, has a slow fall speed but a high weight. fox and falco’s lower weight makes them more susceptible to being knocked down. a character’s fall speed is unrelated to their weight. weight also affects the speed of fox’s upthrow animation. this is why upthrow upair is so much harder to land on peach.
fox/falco = lightweight, fastfaller
falcon = heavyweight, fastfaller
puff = lightweight, floaty
peach = heavyweight, floaty
@@jonathancangelosi2439 damn, TIL - thanks!
@@normalrachael this one is Connor, not Kira! ;)
Hi
+1 chatters
Assuming that the Puff has enough stage to do so, you can't reaction tech chase her off of shine
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very lame thanks
Great video!
Great video!