Yep I like him a lot as Assist; I use him as in this capacity on *Elektra* (my primary Ranged March) as I've had her ages so she's the most advanced. The theory of who's best is all very well but if you can't Ascend a lot of the results of theory are different than practice.
Thank you for putting this together. I'm coming right out and just admitting I am completely stupid about this stuff so I apologize for my dumb question. I have been playing for over two years (low spender) and only now starting to think about getting my feet wet in the SVS pool at some point. Right now, Minamoto is my guy because he's easy to find and ascend. So regarding the March size, I have the Skill Book added---doesn't that count for something?
It's actually a good question, since march size and attack % interact with each other, different generals will get different effective damage from the book. However, in my testing the march size book won't change the overall ranking of the general in this list.
@@Pyr0531 Just because someone used him as defense doesn't mean he's good. His total effective attack is slightly better than Gnarr, and he's very weak in defense and HP stats. His debuffs don't even factor into the equation since those are active if he's a sub general. Edward falls short because he tries to do to much, jack of all trades master of none.
Agrippa is significantly higher in attack than everyone if you include covenant. Also you need to consider if you're getting fully debuffed or not because I think I would rather have 20% attack vs 5% march size if it's not being debuffed and my march size is 6m+
You can't debuff the march size, so wouldn't march size be better in that situation? You can add a calculation to my calculator to account for the debuffs if you want to check for yourself
I still think buff trumps March size. Sending a slightly smaller march of more highly buffed troops will give a bigger positive differential on point exchange. Yes, for one given attack a larger march technically has more attack power but over the course of an entire battlefield where you're gonna send a fixed total number of troops independent of march size, a more highly buffed archer will generate more points and a larger positive point differential.
@@user-mh9mz1cn3l That intuitively makes sense, but with as complicated as the battle mechanics are it's hard to say for sure. For example, in the same way that you can one shot a boss by overwhelming with power, you can one shot the enemy layers so they only get a counter attack and never get an actual turn. I think that to say for sure which is better it would require a ton of testing and be highly dependent on the situation.
@EvonyAcademy_ Your point is well taken. It's truly unclear. At least with the new senate you don't lose out if you fully red star a new general and switch over.
I don't remember if I did or not for this video, if I did account for it I would have mentioned it. To account for the attack book you don't subtract it from generals that can't take it, you have to add it to the generals that can. Once you account for that the difference isn't huge, if a general can take the book they might jump in the rankings by one spot.
@@Maath_Faseli I'm trying to think through the math logic here. In my own calculations, I subtract the 25 from generals who can't use it, because it also affects any general you would pair with. Though, that does lead me to double-penalties on a pair of generals who both cannot use the book. I guess you're making my math more complicated now lol. I guess the important thing for all of us to remember is that 90% of the buffs don't even come from the general and that the difference between top generals is nominal no matter who you choose. No wonder march size is beginning to get so much love....
@@somedude2143 The way you're doing the math will get you a close enough answer, and you're right an extra 20-50% attack from a general won't make a world of difference. The reason it must be added is the march size. For example, the formula used is total unit attack times total march size, march size and attack buffs are applied to the base before this calculation. So if we have 10 MS and 100 attack that's 1000 effective attack. If you add a 20% attack buff that's 10MS x 120Atk = 1200 EA, if you remove 20% that's 10MS x 80Atk = 800 EA. So if you subtract it you're getting a false number, I'm not sure if the difference will be the same in every situation, but the % of difference will be different.
I like *Merlin* but he's newer than this video so that's a bit unfair. I'm actually using him to Assist *Douglas* but (though if you keep Ascending *Douglas* probably should be main because of his later buffs), he'll soon be moving to Assist because I have no fragments to raise him where I have 180 *Merlin* fragments ready and waiting for Trial of Knights! (Yep during his Event I couldn't stop getting him ... he appeared every time I got a random General it seemed 🤣)
@@Maath_Faseli Yep, *Douglas* needs a _Spirit Beast_ to go up from +25% Ranged Attack to +40% Ranged Attack AND to add the 15% Defence ... if you have a spare rubbish one you can't afford to raise up at the moment (and there are quite a few in the game now) and that doesn't have a Debuff ( in which case it obviously has a place with a Sub General) I suppose you could throw the cheap beast on just for that.
I confirm compatibility between Elektra and Charles. I used them months ago, than I passed to Agrippa. But now, after seen this video I have some doubts😂 Agrippa’s overall is very big, but it’s determined by +50 defense, +20 hp and only +4 attack , so it might have been a my mistake change Charles. Honestly I don’t know🙈
If you can get Agrippa's covenant fully maxed then he can compete with Charles, Agrippa also has higher defensive stats as an assistant, so either is a fine choice.
I don't understand how louis IX is better than Mihai as an assistant for Elektra. its been pointed out that its due to the march size but Louis IX doesn't have a march size buff in main skill; "increases ranged troops attack by 40% and ranged troop defence by 45%.." What am I missing here?
For assistant generals their base skill is active and their specialties are active. Louis gets 6% from his specialty. If you're just going to use the base skill and no specialties then Mihai is better. If we're just comparing base skills then Charles XII is the best hands down.
@@Maath_Faseli *Louis IX* Special Skill clashes with *Elektra* 's so how can he be of any use? I just double checked and it's Grey for me saying it clashes with *Elekra* 's _Blood Restrain_
March size, ranged attack, ranged defense, ranged health, ranged range, and march speed. Make sure the ranged attack and march size book goes on Elektra as it won't work if it's on Charles.
Hunyadi will give you 95% attack as an assistant if you max his specialties, no extra march size, HP, or defense. If he's all you have then he works, but even tomyris will be a better assistant.
Mihai as the main or the assistant? If you can't get mihais red stars I wouldn't use him as the main. With Mihai main I would use Eleanor, Louis IX, or Subutai. I wouldn't recommend Mihai as an assistant though.
the differences between these generals are nothing compared with other buffs. it is all about money. someone who can buy seals, senate, buildings, research, gears/refinement to high levels can easily erase others even with the worst general. this game is trash.
That's true, but if your fighting someone of similar overall buffs a good general will make all the difference. I enjoy comparing them so I do it for my own amusement too.
that's true. I am pretty sure that many players benefit from your videos. The problem of the game is the serious dominance of big whales. battles between low buff players are rare now where general difference is actually important.@@Maath_Faseli
Great video. I love the spread sheets. I was surprised how the new guy stacked up.
awesome info vid
Charles XII matches up with almost everyone as an assist including Minimoto....
Yep I like him a lot as Assist; I use him as in this capacity on *Elektra* (my primary Ranged March) as I've had her ages so she's the most advanced.
The theory of who's best is all very well but if you can't Ascend a lot of the results of theory are different than practice.
Thank you for putting this together. I'm coming right out and just admitting I am completely stupid about this stuff so I apologize for my dumb question. I have been playing for over two years (low spender) and only now starting to think about getting my feet wet in the SVS pool at some point. Right now, Minamoto is my guy because he's easy to find and ascend. So regarding the March size, I have the Skill Book added---doesn't that count for something?
It's actually a good question, since march size and attack % interact with each other, different generals will get different effective damage from the book. However, in my testing the march size book won't change the overall ranking of the general in this list.
made me switch my asst gen!
looking for the best assistant for Tomyris I have Louiis the ix but I am constantly being told others are better, what would you recommend
Keep underestimating Edward the black prince. We feed off of you weekly.
Edward belongs in a sub city, I'll fight people on this one lol
@@Maath_Faseli Talking about subs... Any chance you're doing a sub gen video? (Thanks for your info btw)
@@dany5016 I do plan on making a video on the sub gens, right now I'm working on other projects, but I expect I'll get to it within the next few weeks
@@Maath_Faseli He is a bada$$ there as well. I've even seen him on a wall a time or 2.
@@Pyr0531 Just because someone used him as defense doesn't mean he's good. His total effective attack is slightly better than Gnarr, and he's very weak in defense and HP stats. His debuffs don't even factor into the equation since those are active if he's a sub general. Edward falls short because he tries to do to much, jack of all trades master of none.
Agrippa is significantly higher in attack than everyone if you include covenant. Also you need to consider if you're getting fully debuffed or not because I think I would rather have 20% attack vs 5% march size if it's not being debuffed and my march size is 6m+
You can't debuff the march size, so wouldn't march size be better in that situation? You can add a calculation to my calculator to account for the debuffs if you want to check for yourself
I still think buff trumps March size. Sending a slightly smaller march of more highly buffed troops will give a bigger positive differential on point exchange. Yes, for one given attack a larger march technically has more attack power but over the course of an entire battlefield where you're gonna send a fixed total number of troops independent of march size, a more highly buffed archer will generate more points and a larger positive point differential.
@@user-mh9mz1cn3l That intuitively makes sense, but with as complicated as the battle mechanics are it's hard to say for sure. For example, in the same way that you can one shot a boss by overwhelming with power, you can one shot the enemy layers so they only get a counter attack and never get an actual turn. I think that to say for sure which is better it would require a ton of testing and be highly dependent on the situation.
@EvonyAcademy_ Your point is well taken. It's truly unclear. At least with the new senate you don't lose out if you fully red star a new general and switch over.
Just curious if your calculations add any attack buff penalty for those generals that can't take an attack book
I don't remember if I did or not for this video, if I did account for it I would have mentioned it. To account for the attack book you don't subtract it from generals that can't take it, you have to add it to the generals that can. Once you account for that the difference isn't huge, if a general can take the book they might jump in the rankings by one spot.
@@Maath_Faseli I'm trying to think through the math logic here. In my own calculations, I subtract the 25 from generals who can't use it, because it also affects any general you would pair with. Though, that does lead me to double-penalties on a pair of generals who both cannot use the book. I guess you're making my math more complicated now lol. I guess the important thing for all of us to remember is that 90% of the buffs don't even come from the general and that the difference between top generals is nominal no matter who you choose. No wonder march size is beginning to get so much love....
@@somedude2143 The way you're doing the math will get you a close enough answer, and you're right an extra 20-50% attack from a general won't make a world of difference. The reason it must be added is the march size. For example, the formula used is total unit attack times total march size, march size and attack buffs are applied to the base before this calculation. So if we have 10 MS and 100 attack that's 1000 effective attack. If you add a 20% attack buff that's 10MS x 120Atk = 1200 EA, if you remove 20% that's 10MS x 80Atk = 800 EA. So if you subtract it you're getting a false number, I'm not sure if the difference will be the same in every situation, but the % of difference will be different.
I like *Merlin* but he's newer than this video so that's a bit unfair. I'm actually using him to Assist *Douglas* but (though if you keep Ascending *Douglas* probably should be main because of his later buffs), he'll soon be moving to Assist because I have no fragments to raise him where I have 180 *Merlin* fragments ready and waiting for Trial of Knights! (Yep during his Event I couldn't stop getting him ... he appeared every time I got a random General it seemed 🤣)
Go check my latest upload, I update this charts for most of the new generals
Which one is better assistant for Elektra, Mihai or Douglas? I am leaning towards Douglas for 6% extra March size.
Of the three I would say Douglas, but you will need a spirit beast on him if I remember correctly
@@Maath_Faseli Yep, *Douglas* needs a _Spirit Beast_ to go up from +25% Ranged Attack to +40% Ranged Attack AND to add the 15% Defence ... if you have a spare rubbish one you can't afford to raise up at the moment (and there are quite a few in the game now) and that doesn't have a Debuff ( in which case it obviously has a place with a Sub General) I suppose you could throw the cheap beast on just for that.
I confirm compatibility between Elektra and Charles. I used them months ago, than I passed to Agrippa. But now, after seen this video I have some doubts😂 Agrippa’s overall is very big, but it’s determined by +50 defense, +20 hp and only +4 attack , so it might have been a my mistake change Charles. Honestly I don’t know🙈
If you can get Agrippa's covenant fully maxed then he can compete with Charles, Agrippa also has higher defensive stats as an assistant, so either is a fine choice.
@@Maath_Faseli who would be the best assisting general for Agrippa?
I don't understand how louis IX is better than Mihai as an assistant for Elektra. its been pointed out that its due to the march size but Louis IX doesn't have a march size buff in main skill; "increases ranged troops attack by 40% and ranged troop defence by 45%.." What am I missing here?
For assistant generals their base skill is active and their specialties are active. Louis gets 6% from his specialty. If you're just going to use the base skill and no specialties then Mihai is better. If we're just comparing base skills then Charles XII is the best hands down.
@@Maath_Faseli It totally makes sense now. Thank you. keep up the good work.
Louis don't work with Elektra.
@@Maath_Faseli *Louis IX* Special Skill clashes with *Elektra* 's so how can he be of any use? I just double checked and it's Grey for me saying it clashes with *Elekra* 's _Blood Restrain_
What skill books would be best on Elektra w/ charles running as assistant?
March size, ranged attack, ranged defense, ranged health, ranged range, and march speed. Make sure the ranged attack and march size book goes on Elektra as it won't work if it's on Charles.
Ranged range dont work, evony lie to you
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I have Weaver. She is a friend of Kong. I attached him to her. Did you figure that in? No mention.
They don't have any special interactions that would change their stats.
need your spread sheet =P
What would be wrong with elektra main hunyadi assistant?
Hunyadi will give you 95% attack as an assistant if you max his specialties, no extra march size, HP, or defense. If he's all you have then he works, but even tomyris will be a better assistant.
What general should I use with mihai
Mihai as the main or the assistant? If you can't get mihais red stars I wouldn't use him as the main. With Mihai main I would use Eleanor, Louis IX, or Subutai. I wouldn't recommend Mihai as an assistant though.
Which one is better assistant for Elektra, Mihai or Douglas? I am leaning towards Douglas for 6% extra March size.
the differences between these generals are nothing compared with other buffs. it is all about money. someone who can buy seals, senate, buildings, research, gears/refinement to high levels can easily erase others even with the worst general. this game is trash.
That's true, but if your fighting someone of similar overall buffs a good general will make all the difference. I enjoy comparing them so I do it for my own amusement too.
that's true. I am pretty sure that many players benefit from your videos. The problem of the game is the serious dominance of big whales. battles between low buff players are rare now where general difference is actually important.@@Maath_Faseli
@@jz8694 I agree, it's a shame the game is so pay to win, but that's 99.9% of mobile games these days.
I dunno, my alliance has a lot of trap keeps that get the big guys all the time.