Evony Mounted Generals: Roland vs Hannibal, Napoleon Prime vs Andre Massena. I've got the Answers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2024
- In this video we look at every single mounted general in the game and compare them. Roland, Hannibal, Napoleon, Gaius Octavius, Polygenus, Zhao Yun, Lysander, Washington, Li Jing, Li Naomasa and more we've got them all.
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2:22 Conclusions
5:36 Main Generals
16:17 Assistant Generals
20:31 Effective Damage (Important)
36:02 Combinations
43:16 Outro - เกม
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Thanks for all the time an effort you put in compiling these videos makes it much easier for the rest of us and is very much appreciated 👏👍
Ofc I will watch whole video, thank you for your time and nerves invested in this game.
Thank you for all of your hard work and for sharing.
Great video. Thanks for doing the work and sharing with us.
The work u have put 👏 definitely subscribed 🙏
Digging the details. Thanks man. Subbed
Thanks by your info I really appreciate, I will share this w my alliance
Wish you the best in your new adventure!
I think King Arthur is a great choice for a ftp. They added 35% mounted attack and defence, before he only had the 15% march size
Watch my video on Arthur, I ran all his stats
Great job I appreciate your professionalism
Great job man !!!!
Great videos.
I don't subscribe to (many) videos, but because you gave us timestamps, I'll subscribe until you get to the monetization level +1, and I'll watch until the end... in the back ground.
What skill books do you put on them? And do you know of any resources on what give guidance on what skill books to use?
I would recommend siege attack, defense, HP, range, march size, and march speed. Use this website to check compatibility between generals and skill books evonyguidewiki.com/en/assistant_general-en/
Thanks for this video. Ive only playes 2 months and its been very helpful.
I was lucky enough to get andre in the event, and i have roland.
Can you recommend what books to put on each? I know i cant put attack book in, and march needs to go on andre.
Thankyou
Mounted HP, Def, March Speed on Roland. March size on Andre, and then the other two I would recommend ground HP, Def for PvP or Mounted Atk on monster, HP on monster for PvM.
@@Maath_Faselithankyou for that reply! Really appreciate it.
Can I just ask why you would put ground att/hp on Andre?
@@jammyburton5 Well for most generals the books you want are Atk, Def, HP, March size, March speed, Range (for siege or archers). That leaves us two free spots since we can't take Atk. Speed books for mounted/ground don't work either so we can't use them. I choose ground because it will make your ground troop layers slightly more survivable, or you might want to send a mounted/ground hybrid march.
have you looked at martinus wtih napoleon?
thanks for the video! just have a question, which combinations of generals (free and premium) would get a high score on a WB?
The highest damage combo would be assistant Andre with main Roland or Napoleon. Remember to use debuff mayors specific to that world boss as well.
@@Maath_Faseli do debuff mayors really work? cos I have noticed I score more in a rally compared to a solo. Also came across someone claiming that their K39 and using Aethelflaed with 6 rurik gears outscoring a k42. Also some conflicting reports suggesting mounted monster buffs didn't work on a WB, only mounted pvp buff works. Would love to hear your thoughts. cheers.
I haven't checked the PvP debuff mayors for WB, but I know that sanada does not debuff the WB. I haven't heard about buffs that have "attacking monster" being active or not, I'll have to test it. There are several reasons you could score higher in rallies than solo, first is your buffs are different in the two scenarios, second is the generals your mates send might be affecting it with debuffs. Very good questions and it would make a great video topic, I'll add it to my projects.
Can you please do a sheet for bosses focusing on 0 wounded so attack and march size stats. Appreciate it
I'll see what I can find on that topic, but that might be trickier than it sounds
I see you have Roland and Napoleon prime at #2, but are they compatible?
I forgot to check that and they aren't, Andre is compatible though or Zhoa Yun
What about Honda Tadakatsu? or did i miss you saying something about him.
Honda wasn't included. Honda is more of a hybrid general, he buffs the mounted and debuffs as well. He doesn't stack up to the other generals and the debuffs aren't enough to save him.
@@Maath_Faseli Thanks for replying, after posting a saw you had him on your sub-city Gen list and he didn't manage to get very high there. looks like he will be staying on the bench.
Roland or poligenus. Which general is better. Poligenus is available in trial of knights event.and i have enough fragments to ascend him to 8 Star. Same for Roland,i am a full time relic explorer( farming with alts). So ascending Roland is not a big deal for me. So which general would be a better choice for me
Poligenus
most honest comment of letting video run, even if in background
BUT you did not validate compatibility.
I have Roland as my main, was surprised when you said Barbarossa was higher than Zhao Yun.
So quick check and Barbarossa's main skill does NOT work with Roland, nor does Napoloeon work with Roland.
Do not have Andre, so can not check but Zhao is best or 2nd best for Roland.
You're right, I threw Roland in at the last minute and forget to verify his compatibility. This is the website I use evonyguidewiki.com/en/assistant_general-en/#General8217s_Combination_Compatibility_List unfortunately for the newer generals they don't check all of the compatibility, and since I don't have them I have no way to verify myself. Andre should work with Roland as the website says he does. Barbarossa isn't listed for the top three premiums, so he may or may not work with them.
For mounted best stats are attack and HP, so for me Zhao Yun is MVP as assistant, plus his march size stats are nice too.
@@ivanr.1005 agree, that is my setup Roland/Zhao
Napoleon and André work together.
@@leeg4746 i just do not have Andre yet
How does the total damage compare between Roland+Custer vs Hannibal+Andre Massena?
Roland and Custer aren't compatible unfortunately. evonyguidewiki.com/en/assistant_general-en/#General8217s_Combination_Compatibility_List
@@Maath_Faseli Is Roland compatible with Andre Massena?
@@masgondrong7120 Yes they are compatible, and that's the combo I would recommend for most players.
Andre main skill button is greyed out on Napoleon did you take that into account?
Andre and Napoleon should be compatible. Make sure you don't have a mounted troop attack book on Napoleon or it will disable Andre.
@@Maath_Faseli Yes, you're right, that fixed it, thank you.
It's worth watching through, just for the multi... multi... ... ... ... multiplicative, joke🤣
I run Martinus fully ascended with Custer as the asssitant, with the monster hp, attack, and march size buff. I am a 3.6B k39 with my mounted buffs maxed in academy and MA, with fully starred rurik bracers, 3 star rurik legs, 2 star Plantagenet helmet, and then the bumped up ares gear on the rest. I place 7th on world boss week after week against folks that are 10-20B power. So you’re telling me that if I fully ascend Roland, my placement will be higher!?
Yes, Roland will do more damage than Martinis for your uses.
Give me these numbers and I can tell you exactly how much more damage Roland will do for you. Under monarch details, Single Mounted Troop Attack (a flat number), Mounted Troop Attack (a percent), Marching Mounted Troop Attack (a percent). Under rally spot details, the number in white (a flat number), the number in green (a flat number). Spirit Beast/Dragon, what % mounted troop attack and how many points into the generals attack stat. Total mounted attack percent and flat for gear, including the gear stat, set bonus and refines. Generals level and cultivation into the attack stat. Flexible specialty if any. What troop attack and march size buff you will use. Whether your Martinis has the skin or not. What tier mounted troops you will use.
Or if you want a rough calculation, what is the green number that appears in your mounted troop training camp for T14s, the white and green number for your rally spot and general attack cultivation (the green number) and general level.
I'm k36. My buff is not even 1500% where do you get that 2000% buff
It's just an example number. I chose 2000% as that is the most common buff % I see for K35-K40. The results will be very similar is it was 1500%, but the march size focused generals would lose a little bit of effective attack.
i major problem with andre, which kinda screws up this vid. he cannot take the attack book because his skills have no qualifiers. which is why i didnt spend to get him.
Would andre fully spec and full covenant make up for the attack book he also won’t allow the march size book. I’ve been waiting for someone to do that calculation.
Andre as an assistant that is
@seanhjelseth9671 @jeremsoni5720 I cover this calculation in the video. Rewatch the total effective damage part and wait for me to cover the assistants. Andre can also take the march size book, but it must be attached to Andre. Even without an attack book Andre is the number one assistant you can use.
Jayavarman with andre is how im rolling
Are we saying Martinus is not free to play!?
It can be done but not easy to get 15 copies of him. Roland is much easier to get the fragments from relics and randomly from the tavern.
So roland is best f2p main?
Yes 100%
Still finding it hard to see how Fei can be better than Martinus . . .their attack buffs are light years apart at 10 *
It's because Fei has 20% MS and Martinus has 0%. If you have a smaller keep with lower buffs then Martinus will be better, but if you have decent buffs and a high level keep Fei will be better.
Maseena with Napoleon, you will miss attack skillbook
What skillbook you will suggest me on both genrals
Basil 2's decendants are waiting to file a lawsuit against you for humiliating him and awarding him the worst general in evony😹😹😹
Napoleon and Andre are not compatible makes me so sad
Andre and Napoleon are compatible, do you have a mounted troop attack book on napoleon? If you do that will disabled Andre.
Barbarossa doesn't work with Roland
Unfortunately there are many inaccuracies in many of your videos. You compare the damage of the generals, but the damage only depends on the attack and not on the HP and defense. Such a comparison is only legitimate if the fight was decided after the first attack. At the end you suggest general combinations where the main skill book would be grayed out by the assistant. While march size means more overall strength, it could just as easily mean many more injuries and lost points. In my opinion, you are overestimating the size of the march. You ignore the debuff entirely, but it is even more important than the buff in solo attacks when the enemy's troop number is much larger than your own. Good work with unfortunately some serious weaknesses.
You have some good points but you also have some misunderstandings.
First is the march size, yes MS will give you more points to lose, but more troops increases your total HP and Atk. The points you gain from a better match will offset the points you lose. For maximum effectiveness you need to find a balance of MS and Atk.
Second is HP/Def, yes they are both important stats; however, I believe Atk is more important as a primary stat, especially since most high damage generals also have decent HP/Def. There is definitely a use for high HP/Def generals, but at the time I made this I wasn't super comfortable addressing those in detail.
Third is the debuffs, if we are talking about a solo march you should already have a full set of debuff mayors that will provide more than enough debuffs.
And lastly is the assistant compatibility. Yes you're 100% correct there. In this particular video I believe I forgot to check the compatibility for the generals, but for the most part I try to verify them.
If any of my videos have major errors I make sure to take them down and correct them, as I have done with others in the past. That being said I don't believe this video has any major errors.
@@Maath_FaseliThank you very much for your answer. I think you didn't quite recognize the problem with the march size and it could be because you are playing on a relatively new server without really strong opponents. I didn't say that march size is unimportant, just that I think you're overestimating it. Of course, the 5% march size buff, for example, not only increases the attack accordingly, but also the HP and defense values by a total of 5%. From this point of view, you could say that 5% march size is as good as a 15% buff. In an attack, the first blow always belongs to the defense. This means that your troops' HP and defense count first. If you dominate the battle, you're absolutely right, but if you don't dominate the battle, simply because your opponent's number of troops is very high on the first attack, you'll lose a lot more points than necessary. For simplicity's sake, let's assume an attack with siege units. As you know, they have very bad troop modifiers (yours are not quite correct). Let's assume that you are so strong that you destroy all of your opponent's siege units and are in a good position in terms of points, the other troops are fortunately not in range at this point, but then from turn 3 onwards your troops fight against the remaining enemy troops and of course have no chance there. This means you lose far more points, resources or sources of life than without an increased march size. If you now had a smaller march that was perhaps even stronger, you would lose less, as fighting with much worse troop modifiers and against several troops at the same time always means defeat. With the other troop types you have protective layers, but they are also destroyed in the first attack on them and again you are fighting a losing battle. I hope that's clear enough.
I agree that the attack value is the most important of the values, and you should bear that in mind when suggesting generals like Richard the Lionheart for the wall. In defense, the attack value is even more important than in attack. According to my interpolation, the relationship between attack and HP can be expressed roughly as follows HP≈2*Attack-1.5. The defense value is even less important.
You can't completely disregard the debuffs. You say yourself that you assume buffs of 2000%, which means you would have to achieve a debuff of 1000% on every single value with your subordinate cities. You can probably do that if you spend a lot of money and have 11 subordinate cities and can forge civilization armor for the mayors. For someone who doesn't spend a lot of money, however, it is illusory to develop so much debuff in the subordinate cities. How to fairly factor in the debuff is also a question I can't answer, as it has very different effects from battle to battle. In any case, generals with a debuff like Maximilian should not be portrayed as bad, as he would be the best assistant you could have for Roland in some battles.
@@nobudgetproduktion7316 unfortunately MS cannot be given a fixed number relation to HP and Atk due to the way the buffs are applied. The increase from MS depends on your base rally spot and your buffed Atk/HP stats. The Atk/HP buffs depend on your buffed MS and your base Atk/HP. Generally speaking, it is easier to buff the Atk/HP than it is to buff the MS, so MS is weighed heavier.
A smaller march with higher buff in some scenarios will perform better than a larger march with lower buffs. However, I don't think there are many generals that this actually applies to. For example, King Arthur or Genghis Kahn depend heavily on MS, so I wouldn't recommend them. Andre is the assistant I would recommend mainly due to his MS, but his Atk is 4th for assistants, Def is 5th, and HP is very low. When we look at the other generals that rank highly on overall damage most of them have reasonably balanced stats. Of course there are exceptions, if you want maximum HP/Def then Jayaraman and Li Naomasa are the go to combo.
As for the debuffs they are very conditional. It would depend on what the enemy buffs are, what your current debuffs are, troop types, ect. I don't consider them for the same reason I don't consider rally capacity or rally buffs.
At some point I intend to redo this video with the updated list of generals and an analysis of the effective HP/Def like I did for the ground troops. Unfortunately I have to finish other projects before I can do that.
Maximilian just sucks as an assistant? I am heartbroken. I thought he was great.
He does debuff archers, so that could be useful in some situations, but yeah his stats as an assistant are pretty bad
Napoleon Prime is no longer available
sadly Barbarossa and Custer can't take the MS Book, so they are realy overrated in your list
Custer can take a level 4 march size book
Custer and Barbarossa can both take a march size book, if you're using them as assistants then the book must be attached to them and not the main general