Do You Need School to be a Successful Fashion Designer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- Do you need a degree in fashion design to work in fashion? There are few different pathways to start your career in fashion; some will require a degree, some won't. Depends on whether or not you want to work for a big fashion company, depends on whether or not you want to start your own company, depends on all sorts of other factors. In this video, I explore 4 main career path options to consider. Ultimately, you want to pick the path that's going to make you happy, not the path you think is "the right one".
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Keep in mind that a degree doesn't guarantee anything! Please LIKE this video if you found it helpful and if you want more industry real talk videos like this one!
So true!
Thanks so much for these kind of videos. It's not really possible for me to go to design school because of unpaid student loans, back when I wanted to play it safe and just be an English teacher. But after having to drop out of school and suffering from depression, I went back to drawing fashion- my first love. And while my drawings are so far from the best, I watch your videos to improve and be encouraged. I plan on starting my own line and just really going for it. Thanks so much for being an inspiration Zoe!
Zoe Hong excuse me, what school are you teaching??
Does it matter what school you got to?
Great advice!
"very few of us have enough self-discipline to truly push ourselves beyond our limits without an external motivator " ahhh so well said!!!!
I am currently reading a book called "Why Fashion Matters" written by a head of London College of Fashion Frances Corner. There she writes about how already well informed about fashion students come to study. She points out that all this knowledge they get is easily approachable by anyone on the internet and questions why would anyone study if there's other ways to learn things. The answer she provides is similar to yours Zoe, and it's that people study fashion because they get something which the Internet can't provide: "a critically engaged overview of the industry, technical skills of the highest standards, a learning environment of like-minded peers and staff, and opportunities to explore and discuss different regional, national and international perspectives, cultures and experiences". I personally have been studying fashion for same reasons. Also, because I need some motivation to do stuff haha!
Some of the biggest designers don't have degrees!
The ones with the degrees are one who work for those folks...
I went to FIT...Loved it...but the main thing I learned:
School teaches you the technology of fashion, but if you don't have an "eye," you'll never have a successful career in the biz!
Hanneke Teunissen most dont though. Getting a degree in fashion is a fairly recent thing in the years so if some do they are probably fairly young designers, no more than maybe 40 years old or so. The older masters of fashion of course did not really have degrees because fashion is like art and you kind of need to work on art on your own creativity not directed by someone else.
Hanneke Teunissen well i do know that most older designers dont have a degree. Not misinformed about that. I’m sure you’re correct that they did have a lot of access to other fashion forward information that allowed them to develop their talents and skills without the use of a degree but that also wasnt what I was talking about so why called me misinformed over it? Lol I’m well aware that many of them were able to access these things to make up for the lack of degree.
Just look at Jerry lorenzo and virgil abiloh both of then didn't go to design school but have made a big impact in the high fashion and streetwear world
profound
Hanneke Teunissen If you need school to be successful then you’re not self-motivated enough or enough of a hustler. Like she said, if you don’t have a natural unique, creative eye and talent, or enough motivation, drive and creativity, no amount of schooling can give you that. That’s what it takes to make it.
“When I get my ducks in a row-“
“F*ck your ducks, you’re just procrastinating.”
-> loved this 🤣🤣🤣
I’d say school is required if you’re going to work for someone else. If you plan to run your own business without school you are willfully taking on the responsibility to acquire all of the knowledge required. That means you have to take the time to learn accounting, fabrics, illustration, tech packs, inventory, design and more.
Learning the basics just gets you started until you can afford to hire things out - and even then you should still continue to learn because the less you know, the more you can get taken advantage of. If you didn’t do a stretch test on every roll of spandex that comes in for your new collection of body suits - good luck getting your money back for pallets of unusable fabrics. If you didn’t properly vet a new factory overseas and you have no means of proper communication with them, say goodbye to your money.
Sewing and design talent can only take you as far as your understanding of business, marketing, and proper management. Too many businesses fail over things like inventory or taking out more loans than they should based on the sell through rate of their products - or a customer service nightmare or misunderstanding net terms. I worked for a a amazing designer with her collections in Barney’s, Anthropologie, and Macy’s, but she still had to work as a bartender on the weekends and eventually went back to a 9 to 5.
I’m not interested in becoming a fashion professional. I’m only here because you just talk so well! Wish every industry professional can give the public a thorough thoughtful and realistic explanation of their industry. So interesting! Thank you!
Zoe I wanna just tell you how grateful I am that you make videos and I have access to your thoughts on all this shit. I've grown up pretty poor most of my life and probably will never be able to go to fashion school, but I do at least feel like I have an awesome professor. In true creep fashion, even though we've never met, I think "what would Zoe say" all the frickin' time. If I ever make my design business work you'll be a big mention in my fabricated future success speech ( because becoming a designer is like accepting on Oscar right??). For real though thanks a million, don't stop making videos.
>"what would Zoe say"
hahahahaha! I'm super looking forward to your future amazing award acceptance speech!
Your are absolutely right abt degree not guaranteeing a job . Love the video. My only problem is connections. Im kinda anti social and when i try to talk to people im awkward lol. I do wanna keep trying.
Sorry if this is some unsolicited advice but I've been in the same boat and although I would consider myself ambivert and often reserved--the best way to get people to connect with you [in my experience] is asking them for advice!
Even if you already know xyz or just want some extra info saying "Oh that's really cool how did you that//I made this but I'm not sure if it's my best work, do you mind me asking what you think?"
You can exchange emails or numbers, really goes a long way!
Sn: I am a teacher but doing this in my 5th semester connected me to a girl that helped me get a dental office assistant job when I needed some extra cash, helped some friends make cash on an online tutoring platform I use as a side gig, & using Linkedin/Indeed has gotten me so many jobs/interviews as well even when I wasn't big on connecting! Ex: I had an opportunity to teach in China earlier this year and got the job! Declined to stay in NYC and complete my Master's but that opportunity is still there from connections alone!
Sorry for the long reply, hope it helps xx
Yeah !same here
Same
Me too. I struggle so much with talking to people.
@@rza8225 hey! may I know what was your masters about? does masters in fashion industry help in any way?
I love .... love your video!!! I have a bachelor degree in Business. My passion is Fashion. So I quit my job. And applied to a fashion school. Now I am graduating from 1 yr associate program. I learn so much and met so many friends!!! I can never go into fashion world without experiencing it. It would be a shame not to go to fashion school. It's so much fun having mental breakdown together with friends and pushing each other everyday to go forward.
Nunki Lay what school do you go to?
nicole b I go to FIT
Thats awesome! I have a business degree also but i decided to just teach myself different aspects of the fashion Industry instead of going back to school all over again. Good luck to you😍
I learned how to sew long time ago. Im 50 years old and Im still thinking young. I went to a technical school in 1989 to 1991 and that is where i learn the basics of D\Fashion. after that I have been learning everything through experiences and reading books about fashion, pattern making , draping, advance sewing and watching videos here in You tube about new techniques in fashion and in here I have learned many skills.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us Zoe. I've been in the industry for nearly 20 years, but there's always new things to learn. I've built a successful brand without a fashion degree, so it is totally possible for anyone who's thinking of following that option - just be prepared to put in a lot of money and to work relentlessly towards your goals and dreams. Vicky xo
How did you become a fashion designer without a degree?
@@kimberry363 well fashion design its a creative job, its not like per say, being a doctor where education its obligatory
This was so motivating for me because I go to a research school LOL
if only we have teachers like you for every subject XD
😂 saw this two years later,,,,,,,am a student and out of the little experience I feel one needs to attend school,,,,,as an African fashion designer if you need to go further you need school cause depending on growing there things you will never learn out of school,,,,,I started my designing without school but realized three much more when you go to school,,,,,I think I need to do a video informing my fellow youth about the importance of going to school not for degree but for learning
Your videos are so inspirational Zoë! I am currently taking a break from school and your videos make me wanna go back sooner rather than later. Thank you for being such an inspiration!
Thank you for this video. You reinforced a lot of what I was already thinking about the benefits of school. I'm not that social so I need all the networking help I can get lol. Love your videos and hearing you speak.
Omg love this video! I love how you’re so raw and brutally honest. It really helps xx
I love that you are so down to earth and keep all your answers straight forward.
I wish I had a professor like you when I was in school.
Love you honesty. People need to hear this kind of stuff to make proper informed decisions. I wish there was someone in my life like you when I was thinking about going into fashion design.
Hey Zoe, thanks for being upfront with the information. Your videos are educational and informative without coming across as a lecture. Thanks.
Zoe, I've been following you for a few months. I've been going to fashion courses for a year, I took online training. Now that they have digital drawing, I will be training on it. I make designs and the teachers tell me to proceed on this path. I want to establish my own brand in the future. I can't find a job right now. This situation also upsets my morale, but I believe it will happen one day. Greetings from Turkey.
I have just discovered these videos. They are brilliant. So helpful, real information and straight talking. Thank you Zoe.
I got so motivation each time I watched your videos, Zoe. I’m so thankful. ❤️
Just get up and do it! Love it! Keep telling them!
Thank you，Zoe！Love your tone as one of my best friends who is a teacher in the US，confident and sooo lovely’ also appreciate the helpful contents of your videoes. love u！💕
I wish I could give this another thumbs up. Zoe is giving professional and life lessons! yes!
You are so brutally honest, yet warm. I don't know what is your work now - I have just found your videos - but you mentioned you was a teacher. I believe you was a very good one, and you are still, your videos are very useful and helpful. Keep on, many thanks and best wishes for 2018!
Yes, she doesn't sugar coat the facts about a brutal, ruthless, industry! It's always better to be wise and thus avoid becoming a victim!
I like that you just tell it like it is. The last part of your video really resonated with me. Wish I found your channel sooner but I’m glad I somehow did. Thanks for posting this.
Fashion school is extremely expensive and honestly a lot of people can not afford it! But you can be just as successful with extra hard work I’m going to teach myself as much as I can and maybe take course here and there but a full fashion degree is way to expensive especially with the pandemic going on!
Such an awesome and helpful video Zoe!!! Thank you!! ❤️
Thank you I love your candor and your information is always black and white and relevant!
This is a fantastic and informative video Ms. Zoe Hong! Glad you spelled the reasons for persuing a Bachelors in Fashion. I will only dare mention that if you are one of those individuals who school structure its not for you then if you end up working at a garment factory there is a lot to be learn there as well while they are paying you to work. This is if your goal is opening your own business, as you will need to know the ins and outs of how to run the business part.
You are so informative, it's never a waste of time watching your videos,...
Thank you so much for this video! It was really important for me right now! ^^
This Video got deep into my decision to go back to the University being already 39 yrs old. "Very few of us have the self-discipline to push ourselves to our limits without an external motivators" THANK YOU !!!!
You are so honest, transparent and wow is to see how much you love this. You are a inspiration for real people Zoe . Thanks!
You're welcome! I've had university students older than me. If they can do it, so can you!
That last part!! Thank you Zoe
Another fantastic video! Thanks so much.
Oh my goodness I don’t think I have ever benefited from a video as much as this one ❤️
I knew you were legit! I haven't seen your Kathleen video but I love her. I want to go to the bootcamp one day.
Love this will share to my social space!
“It won’t come to you sitting on your couch”
Dang, I just came here to have a good time and I feel so attacked right now lol😆😆
(I say as I’m sitting on my couch right now)
hahahahahaha now get to work! :D
@@zoehongteaches What do you think the most important technical skills one must have to be able to start a career as fashion designer or if you want to start a fashion label? If i can't have a proper fashion design education then maybe i can master one or two important skills by having a course or diploma programm
@@Lsr000 Watch my How to Become a Fashion Designer video.
Great video! You're always helpful. I studied fashion design for almost 3 years and dropped out of school 3 months ago because everything was discouraging plus In my country, in order to have a degree, you need to pass some useless subjects which don't have ANYTHING to do with your major. I recently moved to another country and decided to never go to school again and work on my own instead until I get the requirements for getting a job or even start my own business but after watching your video I realized that it's almost impossible... :D I know that there are always exceptions to the rule but I think I have very little chance to achieve my goals. Anyways the last part of your video was really encouraging SO I NEVER STOP TRYING. Thank you so much, Zoe. Please keep making videos like this. You're awesome!
Thank you for sharing your story! I hope you find happiness, in whatever industry.
Love your videos 💕
I’m learning a lot
Keep it up 👍🏽
Thanks zoe it really helped me a lot!!
😮 Thank you. I love the motivation ❤🎉🎉🎉
Love this video!
Hi Zoe!
I just subscribed to you today
you are truly gifted zoe...keep it up
Great blunt advice Zoe. First time watcher, truly appreciate your insight.
Thanks!
I found your channel after considering going into fashion and design. This is only the second video of yours I’ve seen but I could immediately tell that I liked you, could trust you, and you were giving the honest truth. You have this no bs tone to your voice and you seem like you just want to give your viewers a realistic take on the industry.
Thank you! Sometimes people get mad at me because I'm "negative and not inspiring" and I say, "I'm not trying to inspire! I'm trying to be realistic!"
@@zoehongteaches I appreciate that. When considering a career change like this or potentially going back to school, I don't want sugar coated romanized bullshit. I want the honest truth so I know what the hell I'm getting myself into and if it is truly worth pursuing.
I just turned 18 this is very helpful
great video !!!
I just have to say I love your video's and your direct comments. You really know your stuff and that comes through loud and clear. I am not in the fashion industry but dance around the edges a bit with photography and sewing some odd stuff. Now just to get my ducks in a row! Or "F" them ducks! LOL
Great video Zoe!
Zoe, I love your videos!
Very practical and realistic reasoning...
Very inspirational.Thanks.
Wow love this video so informational.
I love you Zoe you don’t know how much you are helping me
Thank you so much for that. Knowing for someone who work in the industry say this, because Im a BFA student in Art Institute and Im so worried about the student dept. But just like what you said, going to college is very necessary on the brutality of the industry. Last week i've been thinking of dropping the class because I cant see the light at the end after graduation. But its all up to me if I just did the bare minimum to pass the class, or get the 4.0 g.p.a that I have. Having a 4.0 gpa is still not enough if I didn't take all the extra mile of being the best of the best, because it just means I just get the bare minimum if being on the top, but that doesn't reflect if I learned all the lesson and was able to apply it to real industry situation. By taking advantage of everything that they offer; the connection, work ethics, and being able to better than my professor are the things I will not learn even if I read all the fashion book available. So thank you so much, for verifying that my reason of not leaving the school is the right argument not to drop it.
You're awesome Zoe, thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for your helpful videos...you're great😍
you are wonderful! I am not fluent in english but your speech is so clean and pronounced so well that I understand everything :)!
Thank you this video helped me a lotttttt
Thank you for the insight I appreciate it greatly :)
Thank you Zoe for telling the truth!✨
you're welcome!
I dropped out of fashion school because I felt like my motivation was drained out of me and I wasn't learning anything about fashion so when I had to learn or create something, I had to look for TH-cam so I thought what is the point on paying for school when you have to learn from TH-cam so I quit the school but I cannot give up my passion for fashion. Thank you, this video helped me a lot so I can go on track......basically teaching in my school sucked😑😑😑
That is what i want to do. I want to learn as I go. There is allot of information here in youtube. There are workshops too.
Yes, there are alternatives
I love your videos so much.
The external motivator thing is so true for me and that's why I'm saving up to go to art school right now. It's very interesting to me that the struggles are the same in art schools that they are for fashion in terms of work load, being pushed to the limit, high amounts of things created, and stress. I think artistic schools are literally like boot camp for us!! No exaggeration 🤣
omg! she's so amazing!
I really liked Zoe's view on needing a degree or not. Her details of "Just do it" attitude. She explains in detail with tips of the reality of the fashion world.
Thanks for sharing 💙
This video was definitely a reality check.
Interesting topic!
I'm in South Africa.. Zoe Hong u my inspiration👏, I love u sooo much💕💕💕
May God bless u 💯
You are my great inspiration
realest talks!
thank you for this video so helpfull, i've got the answer to my questions , do i need or not a school for Foundation Fashion design before launching my own brand? thank you very much,i love hear you talking,i understand even if i am french speaking ;) btw i am following you to improve my english and get more fashion vocabulary.
Real advice!
Thank you!
You are so real ❤
My background is in banking and design is more of my hobby; so this is more of a general point. Regarding resume scanning, they also do this for keywords so use the job application to build your resume submission for that particular job (because your resume should be slightly different for each job you apply for) based on the keywords and qualities they list in the application.
Also discuss your soft/transferable skills, if you have a BFA odds are they know you picked up construction/design skills just the same as I don't list derivative pricing when discussing my finance degree, they requested it so they know what it is. They want to know things like if you learn quickly, work well under deadlines/pressure, are adaptive and how that relates to your education and experiences
It help a lot thanks for sharing:)
Love your attitude 🙂🙂
I just graduated, and got my degree as an New Media Artist, and through the 4 years of academia, i really got to like the garments aspect that i saw incorporated in Installations, Performance Art, Site-Specific, and other forms of new media. Thats why i got interested in fashion, but i really dont have the funds to start another school all over again, so im hoping that doing it solo, with willpower alone will be enough.
thank you I love the way that you teach thank you Zoe Hong
thank you for being Real
Plzz show us how to make a great portfolio!!!!
there is already a video on that ^^
th-cam.com/video/jPngKfXL-RQ/w-d-xo.html
Hi joe
Just finished my BA (HONS) Fashion Textiles and Print degree which took me four years i did this after I bought up my kids
Im in love with print design,
Screen print was a big favourite of mine i am now a young 53 year old do you think there is room for me in the fashion industry? Myprints are very good !!
I watch most of your vids and when studying you helped me a-lot so thank you I think your brilliant xxxxxx
Keep up the good work
Jacks from England
I want to start my own brand, I don’t really know how to start or what it takes
Zoe, I love your lectures so much! Your videos are keeping me sane in the meantime before I get to study fashion design in an actual college!
I want to say thank you for sharing your knowledge and I love how you said f%*# your ducks!!!! so true. Also thank you for responding to my email, I really appreciated it
Thank you Zoe) you are so cool, I wish I'll meet you some day )
Great speaker, Great person
XoXo
f$%^ your ducks, lol that is great Zoe that is what I needed to learn in my life but glad I finally did. . This is a great video. Thanks!! I will say that I spent all my life pushing myself to the max to try to make things happen!! But I never gave up on design (not fashion) but (I am now loving textile design for interiors more and more I have a beginning foundation degree in residential planning) but did not ever use it or thought that I couldn't. Now I see how things are finally piecing together, just a few more years of schooling to hone my craft and maybe I could see a small business or something sooner than what I was projecting!! Yes you saved this moment. . Now to get back to work. Plus, I now found out how to pick just one focus instead of trying to be master of them all. With nothing to show. Thanks Spice Chick
Thank you ❤️
Hey Zoe, I did not have a fashion/ design background but a language one. I climb up that ladder by starting off being a translator for designers and technicians(for a 4000 people lingerie vendor for renowned brands in China)where I learned tons of knowledge and at a point the company was being super supportive sponsoring me for a design diploma. Eventually I was promoted to a designer level and now after 6 years I am off to do my own freelance work/ business. I think this can be also a way of getting a job in fashion, by being some designer assistant? Emma
Omg, I am a translator student but I am starting a very small fahion brand and well just seeing some other translator is interested in fashion is so cool uwu
@@MultiMsVideos hey!!!!! Yes it's awesome! Fast forward two years now, I am starting an innovative period underwear brand now as it speaks to my environmentalist soul, creative soul, underwear-tech geekiness, and my entrepreneurial spirit- I can't believe this is all happening!
Fashion design school was hard work I cried a lot but it was well worth it
I couldnt afforad the school i really couldnt afforad after i had my daughter i found this website where some of the fashion teachers teacher a online school so im still learning couture techinques and eveything its helps me with my fashion
Hi Danni, how are you? Can you tell me the website name? Thank you.
Many companies asking for a degree in fashion, but I thing what in reality importance is the experience you have no matter if you have it or not, I'll been working as a pattern maker for 15 years and I don't have a degree, but I have a little problem with the communication because I don't speak English well, but in practice I can do the job.