I've been noticing this. Without even watching your video (I will...), this has been my theory for a while (for the NHL, anyhow)... Players expect and get more comfortable travel. Nicer private aircraft, nicer hotel rooms. The act of traveling is less tiring than in the past. Teams also pay a lot more attention to health, diet and nutrition. It's much better managed than in the past, which again leads to travel being less tiring. Teams are simply traveling better/smarter. Also, when you're traveling, you're away from your home. Maybe you miss your kids, but you also don't have to take care of them. You're not dealing with your domestic distractions. Wives, girlfriends, dating are all out of reach. Most teams have curfews when traveling. You don't have a curfew when you're home. Players are better behaved on the road than they used to be. When traveling, you have one purpose, to play hockey. That focus can get results on the ice. At home, you have your life, which can be very distracting.
I think it's also worth noting this depends on team. For example, if your vancouver traveling to the east that can be a longer more exhausting trip where as say toronto going to Buffalo is basically a bus ride at worse. Also depends on how long said road trip is and how long they get to rest in between games. Back to back games are grueling especially if you have to travel further away and expected to play the same day.
Another big home ice advantage came back when not all rinks were the same size. The old Boston Gardens was a very small ice surface and the fans seemed like they were literally standing over the ice according to some opposition players, I think that was when there was real home ice advantage… once all rinks were the same size then all rinks are the same all you need to do is play, only difference is some ice is better
I remember I think it was 8-10 years ago the flames would consistently win 80-90% of games at home and lose everysingle game on the road. It was hilarious
I believe that was the 2015-16 season if I remember correctly, we somehow managed to win 10 straight at home from October until Late December while still being far from the playoff picture
I believe a big example of the fan influence being the biggest swing factor in home ice comes in 2019 for the Islanders when they were allowed to play Round 1 against Pittsburgh at Nassau Coliseum, sweeping them before being forced to switch to Barclays Center for Round 2, getting swept themselves there. The Coliseum was a truly intimidating building to play in come spring if you ask any opposing player meanwhile Barclays hosted a less intense hockey crowd. The difference was staggering. Between 2015 and 2021 the Islanders’ playoff record at Nassau Coliseum was an impressive 10-3 while at Barclays they were a paltry 2-5
As of today’s date in the 24-25 hockey season, the Winnipeg Jets are 6-0-0 on the road to start the season and have won those games easily. Crazy stat.
Incredible video man. Just stumbled across your channel. The attention to detail. The quality. It’s unreal. You deserve more credit. Keep on keepin on! can’t wait to see what else you can make!
Depends on where you're going I think. Your thumbnail shows Toronto, and that's because Leafs playoff tickets are so expensive, corproate suits are the only people with enough dough on the regular to go to those kinds of games no problem. But then you go to somehwere like Edmonton, where the playoff atmosphere is such that at one point, they had to change the goal horn because it was drowned out by the crowd.
I have wondered this exact same thing. I feel like home ice doesnt matter much, but hockey arenas in the playoffs are crazy loud, so yiu would think it would be a big advantage. The biggest thing I can think of is teams on the road are very focused. They don't have to worry about their family or getting friends tickets, theu simply focus on the game
I expect Utah to have a home ice advantage this year that will be obviously visible. The difference in capacity and noise from mullet to Delta Center is nuts.
You should do a video about Bruce Boudreau. Lovely man who can really turn a team around but doesnt have the luck to finish it out. The Buck Showalter of Hockey. We really do need to get him to lose some weight though because I dont want him to die anytime soon. Not making fun of him in the least, he's got a super high stress job and I would gain weight too thinking im about to be fired every day for whatever reason. I am just worried about his health, and he's a national treasure.
Been saying this forever. Home ice is now a distraction for teams. You have errands and family to take care of and you take it easy knowing you’re already home. This causes complacency. Making you lose your edge that the away team will have being focused the entire travel period. That’s why some teams stay at hotels and act like a traveling team while being home during the playoffs. No distractions
you hear the commentators saying it was good not to call an obvious penalty because "you don't want that to be the reason one team lost/won" which I think is stupid.
I feel like its mainly because teams are getting better. Not just talent wise but as teams get richer travel is becoming less of a stressful thing and with having to worry less about that you can be more focused on training and staying focused for the game. The crowd itself isn't that big of a factor imo. It doesn't particularly matter how much you get booed or how much the home team gets cheers. At the end of the day (90% of the time) the better team comes out on top
Maybe the crowds arent a factor because that aspect is commersialized garbage in the NHL from what ive seen. Maybe I’m wrong but it doesn’t seem that passionate on the stands from the outside
Back in the day there was much less info about the teams out in the open. You would be going into a new town not knowing anything about it, not knowing how the other team plays, not even who their strongest players are (at least not to the extent that we do today). Now we've got entire teams of analysts on every franchise.
Seriously though... I've often suspected it has to do with the team being more... together...on the road. They do most everything together on the road. Share rooms. Meals, busing around together. When they are home, they all go back to the manion😉, time with the family. Drive themselves to the practice rinks and their barn for games. Young guys....they might be a bit more of a crew. Bunch of guys sharing a place or whatever. So...maybe they are just tighter together on the road. Hockey...it's the greatest team sport. A clubs locker room...how well the guys get along together... Like how my Flyers have become... it's a huge deal! Can't win on the ice...when your room has a cancer in it! 😉
I remember looking at Panthers hit date a couple years ago and realized they were inflating Radko Gudas’ hit stat at home to get him the most hits in the league. The home/ away difference was crazy
I’ve been of the opinion for a while that the higher seed should play A-A-H-H-H-A-H in the playoffs. Teams get to treat the start of a series as a “business trip” while still getting the most pivotal games in their own building.
I dunno, if i were an athlete id rather play in a place im getting cheered for then boo'd. And considering how athletes are mentally sensitive, itll affect them. Theres a reason why teams will call time outs when enemy teams are getting hot. Especially in basketball. Heck theres numerous interviews of athletes talking about how they hate it when opposing teams call time outs whenever their team starts picking up their strides. There was one spittin chiclets interview, dont remember who it was wjth, but they agreed that they hate the tv time outs because it kills momentum. Playing with a crowd that supports you will fuel that momentum even more.
Used to have travel work teams and the travel teams were 100 percent more efficient at performing work. No families to suck energy and time away. A clean hotel room to go back to with a bar downstairs. Everyone meeting in a rental van for work everyday. Everyone on time, rested, and making lots of money to pay their child support. A selected A-Team.
I remember the 2013-14 playoffs and how many away teams won Game 7s. This was also the first time I seriously watched the NHL playoffs and I seriously questioned whether the home ice advantage my dad and the media kept talking about even existed. In fact, I started calling it the “on-the-road advantage” because it was so lopsided!
Ive also noticed that since the gambling on hockey took off, secondary assists are not always a guarantee…. where back in the day you could bank on secondary assists being gifted to stars at home
Can you do a video breaking down what is the best forechecking systems and why? or just a systems video in general. Love the tempo and rhythm of these vids
Would be hugely interesting to see a team test playing the playoffs without letting the players go home and making them stay together the same way they would on a road trip.
Rink dimensions are the same today. Before each rink was sized to fit the arena. Boston garden was joked as playing in a phone booth. Fans- in NC there are many teams ( NYR, Detroit, Pittsburgh) that there’s almost as many visiting fans as home fans. Restricting sales didn’t stop the locals from buying their tickets. 😂😂
Great video essay. I think you made a lot of interesting points. In the future I think you might want to think about the graphs you're using better - if you divided the number of penalties etc by the number of games, you'd get the rate per season and it'd normalize the data so you could also compare during the lockout shortened seasons. I can't think of a good reason to not show the rate chart instead of the actual sums!
I was a referee in both ball hockey and Ice-Hockey. Ice hockey is significantly harder then ball. The plays get made faster and you have less time to make a call. Once, I even took 2 seconds too long to call a tripping penalty (behind the play) and wasn't able to call it because the kids scored before I could lift my arm. At 8 yo, they had time to make a pass and a shot before my dumbass could lift his arm. At this point, I kind of gave up on explaining myself and allowed the goal. Reffing is really hard man.
Aaahhhh there you go. Just want people to ref one shift in grassroots hockey and they will see how hard it is. Whether it’s parents, coaches, players or even administrators and refs themselves it can be extremely difficult to manage. Game’s the game though I still love it
So I'm calagarian and invested to a degree in the flames. I got to see their only round 2 win against the ducks like 6 years ago, absolutely a core memory. Are penalties taken by away teams drastically more than penalties taken by Calgary in Calgary's home games? I'm just wondering cause you didn't actually specify that and it could be that our referees just call wayyyy less penalties overall. I'm probably wrong about that but one can hope 😂
them "fans" need advisement when they have to cheer... with a tv showing "noise!" as a european, i ask you... how do you get advantage from this?! its just cringe
A big factor is being from the area where you play and what that's about besides being familiar with the area is being embarrassed. If you and your family are from Russia and another guy was raised in Boston it's going to be worse for him if he has a bad game in Boston.
Final change made a huge difference in the past when the 4th line was a bunch of pylons who would never even make an AHL or ECHL roster today. Now, the 4th line won't match up with 1st lines, but they are so much better and have actually learned team defensive systems instead of getting a few minutes a night to drop the gloves.
My guess is more skill on all 4 lines in addition to goalies continuing to get better. Maybe systems changing and the way the game is played and taught was different than previous generations
There are places like Colorado that has a true home advantage just due to its sea level. The air is thinner in Denver. Which makes it hard for the opposing team.
I know you're talking about the NHL here, but there are some significant advantages to being at home in other sports. In Basketball, road teams typically have a much lower free throw percentage then they do at home due to distractions around the basket, all the way to the point that some arenas are trying to maximize this advantage. In Baseball, the ability to hit last is usually an advantage. There are also some other rules in regards to how teams set up their facilities, and teams build their rosters around that. Commerica park in Detroit is one example. It use to be a pitchers park because of how deep the fences were. They built a strong roster around pitching, and had a big advantage at home. And in Football, the home team advantage is bigger than any sport. Vegas usually gives the home team a 3 point advantage. This is noticed when the teams offense or defense is on the field. When the home teams offense is on the field, the place is very quiet to allow the quarterback to make adjustments and allow receivers to hear. And on the flipside, when the home team is on defense, they make as much noise as they can, which makes it more difficult for the road team to audbile or make adjustments on the fly. It's why things like no huddle is very difficult as a road team, and they usually have to call 2-3 plays in the huddle in case they accomplish the first play successfully and the clock is running. Home teams can usually make those adjustments on the fly based on the defense.
Great video but I just wanted to say something. At 9:05 you say that the gap between home and away penalties closed because of having less/no fans. Wouldn’t that just be a result of having less games, thus having a smaller sample size. Idk I might be wrong. It didn’t change the fact that the video was good tho. Good work and editing.
Home ice advantage is the ONLY rule in hockey thats actual enforced according to the rule book and not just "game management" thats made this game so hard to explain to newcomers
You forgot Delay of Game (Puck over the glass). Always funny in playoffs when the refs "let the teams play" and then the only penalty they call is someone's failed/unlucky clear attempt.
Leafs have a decent crowd in places like Buffalo where fans can afford games. The crowd of suits and oligarchs in the ACC or whatever they named it this year is pathetic. Embarrassing actually.
The refs have too much power and the even up call has destroyed the game. Honestly, when goons were in the game it was better for the game overall. Watch a game from the 80s when the game sometimes ended in a tie and the crowd was thurally entertained.
At 9:05 it is worth considering that the game in penalties between home and away fans may also be attributed to the factor of there being less games in the season as well. If anything, that hypothesis may be the more valid explanation since in the shortened 2013 season there was also a drastic reduction in the gap between home and away penalty calls.
I think this video got to the root of why I stopped watching hockey regularly about 5 years ago and pretty much stopped watching over the last 2years. Referees just stopped enforcing the rules consistently.
It's because they start having afternoon games and in the playoffs finals they always start at 5pm pacific time so everyone can watch. That takes away the advantage.
Its not black and white. It depends on the sport, teams constitution/psyche, but maybe most important is the market you are playing in... Like, new york will flip on you day to day.. i am a diehard giants/rangers fan. If i *had* to guess, i would guess eli manning had a better road record than he did in east rutherford, NJ. Like, eli could relax more on the road, kinda. Markets that only have one team (portland trailblazers, green bay packers) is prolly huge. Then you got your specific, concrete home field advantages, (like i remember ryan clark's doctor told him, you cannot play @ Denver---mile high stadium. Like you could die.) Or something like boston red sox/new york yankees... fenway park green monster in left and, (not sure about new yankee stadium, but) old yankee stadium right field wall used to be stupid closer, so they would both just stack their lineups with LH batters. Very interesting though. Hockey is unique in that there are just certain things the home team just gets by default. Ty.
3:55 My guy, 5% is the p-value threshold, not the absolute threshold, and those are not real linear best fit lines, and your sample here should be goals per game not overall goals so you have a sample to compute your p values for. Your graphs would also make much more sense if the y axis was normalized per game so that covid and the lockout didn't look so off. This is really not how stats works.
If the NHL really wanted to boost the home ice advantage, one solution would be to de-standardize the ice surface. Give the teams a 180-200ft range for lengths, 80-100ft range for width, and the corner radius range from 22ft to 28ft. Teams can then adjust the rink to suit their individual needs, and home ice would become a lot more important.
@@tomcooks2562depends on how you look at it. I’m pretty sure baseball still has variation in their fields. Hockey used to have different rinks back in the day too, depending on the venue.
What you suggest for home ice advantage is far out there you might as well then install hydraulics under the ice to tilt it in the home teams favour every period
*IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME"* Even nosebleed seats cost big $$ and great seats are all corporate. Rivalries dont really exist anymore and the game is corporatized Having your mascots running around while girls in the good seats take Instagram selfies of them and their corporate boyfriend does nothing for energy Its not 1985 with blue collar people having fist fights in the crowd wifh out of town fans. And the players travel in luxury, not on broken down charter busses and staying at the Marriot Different game
9:10 I thought most of the COVID/Bubble games were played in neutral arenas? Yes, there was a "home"/"away" team, but if I'm remembering correctly, neither team would actually be at home.
Guess: the NHL has become too mid. NHL skill has increased significantly since the 90s. The game is less tough & less emotional. Fighting is almost extinct. A steady mindset is taught above getting jacked up like an crazed animal. Arenas are all the same with same rink specs. Big hits are also rare. With a less exciting overall product, fans are cheering less & players get less adrenaline. imho
The Leafs don’t really have an advantage anywhere
Only when they're down by 3
@@lucasbeck9636or when they're down 5 in the 3rd against the Blue Jackets....and they still lose
LMAO
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Don't take that away from their real home rink the Buffalo Sabres ice
I've been noticing this. Without even watching your video (I will...), this has been my theory for a while (for the NHL, anyhow)... Players expect and get more comfortable travel. Nicer private aircraft, nicer hotel rooms. The act of traveling is less tiring than in the past. Teams also pay a lot more attention to health, diet and nutrition. It's much better managed than in the past, which again leads to travel being less tiring. Teams are simply traveling better/smarter. Also, when you're traveling, you're away from your home. Maybe you miss your kids, but you also don't have to take care of them. You're not dealing with your domestic distractions. Wives, girlfriends, dating are all out of reach. Most teams have curfews when traveling. You don't have a curfew when you're home. Players are better behaved on the road than they used to be. When traveling, you have one purpose, to play hockey. That focus can get results on the ice. At home, you have your life, which can be very distracting.
Theory grade: A- (imo)
U smart 😮
I think it's also worth noting this depends on team. For example, if your vancouver traveling to the east that can be a longer more exhausting trip where as say toronto going to Buffalo is basically a bus ride at worse. Also depends on how long said road trip is and how long they get to rest in between games. Back to back games are grueling especially if you have to travel further away and expected to play the same day.
Another big home ice advantage came back when not all rinks were the same size.
The old Boston Gardens was a very small ice surface and the fans seemed like they were literally standing over the ice according to some opposition players, I think that was when there was real home ice advantage… once all rinks were the same size then all rinks are the same all you need to do is play, only difference is some ice is better
Also, I think some teams get pumped when they have the crowd against them, gets them more fired up
Leafs got home ice PTSD at this point
but the leafs suck wherever they go :P
against the Lightning lol
let's see how it works vs the Bruins
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I remember I think it was 8-10 years ago the flames would consistently win 80-90% of games at home and lose everysingle game on the road. It was hilarious
2005/06 season was like that.
I believe that was the 2015-16 season if I remember correctly, we somehow managed to win 10 straight at home from October until Late December while still being far from the playoff picture
I’ve been watching hockey my whole life and didn’t know the home ice faceoff rules lol
Same
Same, I just figured someone went early and got tossed. But now I know the actual implications.
That's ok, neither do the linesmen or referees.
Love the honesty about ads
Wow I actually had no idea one team had to touch the ice first on faceoffs.
Yup! If you want closely on tv or even meter in person you see it.
I believe a big example of the fan influence being the biggest swing factor in home ice comes in 2019 for the Islanders when they were allowed to play Round 1 against Pittsburgh at Nassau Coliseum, sweeping them before being forced to switch to Barclays Center for Round 2, getting swept themselves there.
The Coliseum was a truly intimidating building to play in come spring if you ask any opposing player meanwhile Barclays hosted a less intense hockey crowd. The difference was staggering.
Between 2015 and 2021 the Islanders’ playoff record at Nassau Coliseum was an impressive 10-3 while at Barclays they were a paltry 2-5
the deep dive, the effort for the cutting material makes it great content
As of today’s date in the 24-25 hockey season, the Winnipeg Jets are 6-0-0 on the road to start the season and have won those games easily. Crazy stat.
Such a deep and yet still entertaining video! Reminds me of the golden era of Secret Base.
Right??
your video reminded me of a michael mackelvie video, so I’m glad you’re a fan of him!
Incredible video man. Just stumbled across your channel. The attention to detail. The quality. It’s unreal. You deserve more credit. Keep on keepin on! can’t wait to see what else you can make!
lets go kraken!
refusing to advertise garbage scamster advertisers, that earns a subscribe
Depends on where you're going I think. Your thumbnail shows Toronto, and that's because Leafs playoff tickets are so expensive, corproate suits are the only people with enough dough on the regular to go to those kinds of games no problem. But then you go to somehwere like Edmonton, where the playoff atmosphere is such that at one point, they had to change the goal horn because it was drowned out by the crowd.
Bro ur video essays are expertly done, keep em coming and the bag will follow
We need to share the guys stuff around more
I have wondered this exact same thing. I feel like home ice doesnt matter much, but hockey arenas in the playoffs are crazy loud, so yiu would think it would be a big advantage. The biggest thing I can think of is teams on the road are very focused. They don't have to worry about their family or getting friends tickets, theu simply focus on the game
I expect Utah to have a home ice advantage this year that will be obviously visible. The difference in capacity and noise from mullet to Delta Center is nuts.
Fantastic video man. Really excited to watch you grow
I’m not a big hockey fan, but this video is fascinating. I hope you make more.
You should do a video about Bruce Boudreau. Lovely man who can really turn a team around but doesnt have the luck to finish it out. The Buck Showalter of Hockey.
We really do need to get him to lose some weight though because I dont want him to die anytime soon. Not making fun of him in the least, he's got a super high stress job and I would gain weight too thinking im about to be fired every day for whatever reason. I am just worried about his health, and he's a national treasure.
Also, I think some teams get pumped when they have the crowd against them, gets them more fired up
That was like the first thing in the video with Drew Doughty.
Been saying this forever. Home ice is now a distraction for teams. You have errands and family to take care of and you take it easy knowing you’re already home. This causes complacency. Making you lose your edge that the away team will have being focused the entire travel period.
That’s why some teams stay at hotels and act like a traveling team while being home during the playoffs. No distractions
by far yhe best hockey YT channel out there
you hear the commentators saying it was good not to call an obvious penalty because "you don't want that to be the reason one team lost/won" which I think is stupid.
this video feels so informational, yet at the same time my dumbass can’t put it all together 😭😭
I feel like its mainly because teams are getting better. Not just talent wise but as teams get richer travel is becoming less of a stressful thing and with having to worry less about that you can be more focused on training and staying focused for the game.
The crowd itself isn't that big of a factor imo. It doesn't particularly matter how much you get booed or how much the home team gets cheers. At the end of the day (90% of the time) the better team comes out on top
Maybe the crowds arent a factor because that aspect is commersialized garbage in the NHL from what ive seen. Maybe I’m wrong but it doesn’t seem that passionate on the stands from the outside
i think when the home team picks the matchups, the players feel more pressured and the play is less natural
Again, a random video pops up and I'm like lets give it a try. I hear the voice and know its gonna be a good video. Forgot I already subbed lol
Always love the hit at 6:18 where Jamie Benn told Stankoven "I got ur back Kid"
a lot of work put into this good job should have more views
super good video, well researched. LOVED IT
My stance is its season to season some teams play better at home one season and then the next theyre lethal on road trips
Excellent video. And some nice myths busted.
19:20 GO KINGS GO
love these videos man! Keep up the great work and insightful analysis!
Shaq commentating on hockey will never not be funny
Dear god, I've never been prouder as a Flames fan 17:10 /s
Jon Cooper actually is 2-1 in home Game 7's.
2015 vs DET: 2-0 W
2021 vs NYI: 1-0 W
2018 vs WSH: 0-4 L
came here to write this comment. i hate having to remember the last two games of that series ......
That 2017-18 Washington Capitals team was on a mission that year.
Back in the day there was much less info about the teams out in the open. You would be going into a new town not knowing anything about it, not knowing how the other team plays, not even who their strongest players are (at least not to the extent that we do today). Now we've got entire teams of analysts on every franchise.
It’s definitely a lot better now, but to live through the past eras of hockey would be an awesome experience.
Seriously though... I've often suspected it has to do with the team being more... together...on the road. They do most everything together on the road. Share rooms. Meals, busing around together. When they are home, they all go back to the manion😉, time with the family. Drive themselves to the practice rinks and their barn for games. Young guys....they might be a bit more of a crew. Bunch of guys sharing a place or whatever.
So...maybe they are just tighter together on the road. Hockey...it's the greatest team sport. A clubs locker room...how well the guys get along together... Like how my Flyers have become... it's a huge deal! Can't win on the ice...when your room has a cancer in it! 😉
The thumbnail 😂😢
Leafs goanna leaf.
hell yeah man, D5 is back!
TREVOR DALEY! You put my fav player in this! Please tell me where I can watch this interview.
I remember looking at Panthers hit date a couple years ago and realized they were inflating Radko Gudas’ hit stat at home to get him the most hits in the league. The home/ away difference was crazy
Same thing happened with Robert Hagg for the Flyers. At the end of games it would say 10 hits and we we're always like.... when??
I’ve been of the opinion for a while that the higher seed should play A-A-H-H-H-A-H in the playoffs. Teams get to treat the start of a series as a “business trip” while still getting the most pivotal games in their own building.
Thank you for this. I'm suffering from withdrawals. Is it October yet?
If I’m not mistaken, I believe the Ducks had 4-straight Game 7 losses at home at one point.
The prices for leafs games make it so the crowds are all corporate types instead of fans
I dunno, if i were an athlete id rather play in a place im getting cheered for then boo'd. And considering how athletes are mentally sensitive, itll affect them. Theres a reason why teams will call time outs when enemy teams are getting hot. Especially in basketball. Heck theres numerous interviews of athletes talking about how they hate it when opposing teams call time outs whenever their team starts picking up their strides. There was one spittin chiclets interview, dont remember who it was wjth, but they agreed that they hate the tv time outs because it kills momentum. Playing with a crowd that supports you will fuel that momentum even more.
Used to have travel work teams and the travel teams were 100 percent more efficient at performing work. No families to suck energy and time away. A clean hotel room to go back to with a bar downstairs. Everyone meeting in a rental van for work everyday. Everyone on time, rested, and making lots of money to pay their child support. A selected A-Team.
I remember the 2013-14 playoffs and how many away teams won Game 7s. This was also the first time I seriously watched the NHL playoffs and I seriously questioned whether the home ice advantage my dad and the media kept talking about even existed. In fact, I started calling it the “on-the-road advantage” because it was so lopsided!
Ive also noticed that since the gambling on hockey took off, secondary assists are not always a guarantee…. where back in the day you could bank on secondary assists being gifted to stars at home
Having last chance is MASSIVE
Can you do a video breaking down what is the best forechecking systems and why? or just a systems video in general. Love the tempo and rhythm of these vids
No where is advantage for the Leafs in the playoffs.
😭😭😭😭
The oilers have a very good atmosphere
@@Fallout3131 and I’m a fan of the team
Of course the leafs have a postseason advantage. They get preferential tee times after the first round
@@jacobdoucette8272 FOOOOORE!
Would be hugely interesting to see a team test playing the playoffs without letting the players go home and making them stay together the same way they would on a road trip.
Rink dimensions are the same today. Before each rink was sized to fit the arena. Boston garden was joked as playing in a phone booth.
Fans- in NC there are many teams ( NYR, Detroit, Pittsburgh) that there’s almost as many visiting fans as home fans. Restricting sales didn’t stop the locals from buying their tickets. 😂😂
Well made video.
The blues being penalized the most at home is so true every game at least 2
i never understood the stick down rule on face off, why did they implement that rule?
Very well done.
Great video essay. I think you made a lot of interesting points. In the future I think you might want to think about the graphs you're using better - if you divided the number of penalties etc by the number of games, you'd get the rate per season and it'd normalize the data so you could also compare during the lockout shortened seasons. I can't think of a good reason to not show the rate chart instead of the actual sums!
Awesome video! Liked and subscribed
I was a referee in both ball hockey and Ice-Hockey. Ice hockey is significantly harder then ball.
The plays get made faster and you have less time to make a call. Once, I even took 2 seconds too long to call a tripping penalty (behind the play) and wasn't able to call it because the kids scored before I could lift my arm. At 8 yo, they had time to make a pass and a shot before my dumbass could lift his arm. At this point, I kind of gave up on explaining myself and allowed the goal. Reffing is really hard man.
Aaahhhh there you go. Just want people to ref one shift in grassroots hockey and they will see how hard it is. Whether it’s parents, coaches, players or even administrators and refs themselves it can be extremely difficult to manage. Game’s the game though I still love it
So I'm calagarian and invested to a degree in the flames. I got to see their only round 2 win against the ducks like 6 years ago, absolutely a core memory.
Are penalties taken by away teams drastically more than penalties taken by Calgary in Calgary's home games? I'm just wondering cause you didn't actually specify that and it could be that our referees just call wayyyy less penalties overall.
I'm probably wrong about that but one can hope 😂
The Bruins haven’t played well at home in the playoffs since winning it all in 2011
them "fans" need advisement when they have to cheer... with a tv showing "noise!" as a european, i ask you... how do you get advantage from this?! its just cringe
A big factor is being from the area where you play and what that's about besides being familiar with the area is being embarrassed. If you and your family are from Russia and another guy was raised in Boston it's going to be worse for him if he has a bad game in Boston.
the fans are priced out. can't hear the hecklers when the hecklers cant afford seats!
Final change made a huge difference in the past when the 4th line was a bunch of pylons who would never even make an AHL or ECHL roster today. Now, the 4th line won't match up with 1st lines, but they are so much better and have actually learned team defensive systems instead of getting a few minutes a night to drop the gloves.
Colorado and Carolina would like to differ
Visiting team fan advantage. 😂😂😂
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Banger of a video
why do all stats dip around early 2010's?
My guess is more skill on all 4 lines in addition to goalies continuing to get better. Maybe systems changing and the way the game is played and taught was different than previous generations
Great Video
There are places like Colorado that has a true home advantage just due to its sea level. The air is thinner in Denver. Which makes it hard for the opposing team.
I know you're talking about the NHL here, but there are some significant advantages to being at home in other sports.
In Basketball, road teams typically have a much lower free throw percentage then they do at home due to distractions around the basket, all the way to the point that some arenas are trying to maximize this advantage.
In Baseball, the ability to hit last is usually an advantage. There are also some other rules in regards to how teams set up their facilities, and teams build their rosters around that. Commerica park in Detroit is one example. It use to be a pitchers park because of how deep the fences were. They built a strong roster around pitching, and had a big advantage at home.
And in Football, the home team advantage is bigger than any sport. Vegas usually gives the home team a 3 point advantage. This is noticed when the teams offense or defense is on the field. When the home teams offense is on the field, the place is very quiet to allow the quarterback to make adjustments and allow receivers to hear. And on the flipside, when the home team is on defense, they make as much noise as they can, which makes it more difficult for the road team to audbile or make adjustments on the fly. It's why things like no huddle is very difficult as a road team, and they usually have to call 2-3 plays in the huddle in case they accomplish the first play successfully and the clock is running. Home teams can usually make those adjustments on the fly based on the defense.
Great video but I just wanted to say something. At 9:05 you say that the gap between home and away penalties closed because of having less/no fans. Wouldn’t that just be a result of having less games, thus having a smaller sample size. Idk I might be wrong. It didn’t change the fact that the video was good tho. Good work and editing.
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Home ice advantage is the ONLY rule in hockey thats actual enforced according to the rule book and not just "game management" thats made this game so hard to explain to newcomers
You forgot Delay of Game (Puck over the glass). Always funny in playoffs when the refs "let the teams play" and then the only penalty they call is someone's failed/unlucky clear attempt.
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Leafs have a decent crowd in places like Buffalo where fans can afford games. The crowd of suits and oligarchs in the ACC or whatever they named it this year is pathetic. Embarrassing actually.
13:43 is that a Subnautica sound bite?
The refs have too much power and the even up call has destroyed the game. Honestly, when goons were in the game it was better for the game overall. Watch a game from the 80s when the game sometimes ended in a tie and the crowd was thurally entertained.
@5:16 the workers that were changing the basketball court to a hockey rink at MSG were watching the Jets game on the jumbotron.
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At 9:05 it is worth considering that the game in penalties between home and away fans may also be attributed to the factor of there being less games in the season as well. If anything, that hypothesis may be the more valid explanation since in the shortened 2013 season there was also a drastic reduction in the gap between home and away penalty calls.
I think this video got to the root of why I stopped watching hockey regularly about 5 years ago and pretty much stopped watching over the last 2years. Referees just stopped enforcing the rules consistently.
It's because they start having afternoon games and in the playoffs finals they always start at 5pm pacific time so everyone can watch. That takes away the advantage.
Its not black and white. It depends on the sport, teams constitution/psyche, but maybe most important is the market you are playing in...
Like, new york will flip on you day to day.. i am a diehard giants/rangers fan. If i *had* to guess, i would guess eli manning had a better road record than he did in east rutherford, NJ. Like, eli could relax more on the road, kinda.
Markets that only have one team (portland trailblazers, green bay packers) is prolly huge. Then you got your specific, concrete home field advantages, (like i remember ryan clark's doctor told him, you cannot play @ Denver---mile high stadium. Like you could die.)
Or something like boston red sox/new york yankees... fenway park green monster in left and, (not sure about new yankee stadium, but) old yankee stadium right field wall used to be stupid closer, so they would both just stack their lineups with LH batters.
Very interesting though. Hockey is unique in that there are just certain things the home team just gets by default. Ty.
3:55 My guy, 5% is the p-value threshold, not the absolute threshold, and those are not real linear best fit lines, and your sample here should be goals per game not overall goals so you have a sample to compute your p values for. Your graphs would also make much more sense if the y axis was normalized per game so that covid and the lockout didn't look so off. This is really not how stats works.
I can now blame all penalties I don't like on objectively unfair refs
If the NHL really wanted to boost the home ice advantage, one solution would be to de-standardize the ice surface. Give the teams a 180-200ft range for lengths, 80-100ft range for width, and the corner radius range from 22ft to 28ft. Teams can then adjust the rink to suit their individual needs, and home ice would become a lot more important.
That would make the league worse
@@tomcooks2562depends on how you look at it. I’m pretty sure baseball still has variation in their fields.
Hockey used to have different rinks back in the day too, depending on the venue.
What you suggest for home ice advantage is far out there you might as well then install hydraulics under the ice to tilt it in the home teams favour every period
imagine playing for the habs? yikes, did someone say road trip? LFG!
3:56 Thats not how "significant relevance" work.
Sea of Gray is a way of life at leafs games.
*IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME"*
Even nosebleed seats cost big $$ and great seats are all corporate. Rivalries dont really exist anymore and the game is corporatized
Having your mascots running around while girls in the good seats take Instagram selfies of them and their corporate boyfriend does nothing for energy
Its not 1985 with blue collar people having fist fights in the crowd wifh out of town fans. And the players travel in luxury, not on broken down charter busses and staying at the Marriot
Different game
9:10 I thought most of the COVID/Bubble games were played in neutral arenas? Yes, there was a "home"/"away" team, but if I'm remembering correctly, neither team would actually be at home.
That was just the 2020 playoffs. The 2021 shortened season had teams playing in their home arenas with no fans.
Guess: the NHL has become too mid. NHL skill has increased significantly since the 90s. The game is less tough & less emotional. Fighting is almost extinct. A steady mindset is taught above getting jacked up like an crazed animal. Arenas are all the same with same rink specs. Big hits are also rare. With a less exciting overall product, fans are cheering less & players get less adrenaline. imho