Great tip about the drywall compound! Here's one passed on to me by my mentor: use a piece of leather in your swage block depression (it'll hold up better than fabric) and glue a piece of leather on the face of your raising hammer. Less chance of dinging up your work! Also, if you don't have a rivet set, you can easily make one. Just take a piece of round or square stock around three inches long and drill a shallow depression in the end (using a bit at least half again the dia. of the rivet shank). Depression will be a bit more cone shaped than domed but close enough to force the edge of the mushed out rivet tight to the work with one hammer wack. No more tedious dremel grinding!.
I have leather for the swage block as well! I just haven't been pleased with the results. But I think the leather is too thick. I may try thinner. :) Great idea on the rivet set!! Thanks for sharing here!
Although it does not have anything to do with the making of the "egg spoon", the best way to use it in a hearth is to build a fire with one log supported by two other logs so you can hold the egg spoon "underneath" a burning log. That way the heat is from above the egg spoon and it acts like a "broiler". cooking the egg from above. Best way ! ! ! Very nice. 8-)
What is the diameter and gauge of your copper spoon blank? I make my own rivet sets. I use tool steel rod of appropriate size, drill a shallow pilot hole, then use a ball endmill with a diameter that you want the rivet head to be. Cut to 1/2 the depth of the endmill , then harden the steel for a home made quality tool. Thanks for the video, and you always make tinning look so easy. Ye Old Copper Smith in Rockford.
Oh, great question! I should have put that in there. I use .040 (18 gauge) and cut 5" diameter blanks. Love the rivet set idea! Sometimes I wish I had that all...but to be honest, the time to build the sets would set me back a week and I'm already booked through August in work. When to do the tooling!? Ack! Something to aim for! Thank you for watching!!
I mean...if you have one that is strong enough? And you are strong enough? This stuff is pretty thick, so a drill press is the only way I can get through.
Hey Sarah…I recently began “Tinsmithing” and have watched several of your videos. Excellent stuff! In this video you mention the Christmas tree the holds your rolling machines. What exactly is that and are they readily available?
Congrats on your journey into this trade! It's a fun one! And thanks for watching! :) The Christmas tree is the cast iron piece that holds all my rotary hand machines, sort of like a bunch of arms. They are not readily available - the only ones I've ever seen are vintage.
@housecopper yes. I've seen a couple more of your videos. I missed when you sprayed it on the pan. as a plumber I'm used to paste flux. I'm surprised that liquid stuff will withstand so much heat like it apparently does. Anyway, great videos. Great content. I'm hooked and subscribed
@@jdog4534 Oh - I'm thrilled you were able to find the liquid flux example. I tried paste flux early on, and it does NOT work for retinning for various purposes - but yeah, that'd make sense if you are in plumbing! Liquid flux would not be your friend in that line of work. The liquid stuff does burn off if I get the temp too high, or burn with the tin, so it's something you have to watch and learn with the pan thickness and the heat of your fire. But it can handle at least to 500F before it gets too hot to work. Thank you so much for watching and subscribing!!! Yay!
What gauge copper did you use? You said it was thick but did not indicate a gauge. Also, can you recommend a sourse for copper rivets? I am a new blacksmith learner and I am fascinated with the 1700's and 1800's cooking with fire tools. I plan on making some hearth cooking utensils and open flame cooking tools. Thanks for all the great videos.
I used .040 / 18 gauge. Sorry for not thinking to mention that detail! All my copper rivets come from Prairie Rivet in Markesan, WI. They're a super company - I've been using their rivets for 8 years and toured their shop twice. Congrats on diving into smithing and welcome to the fascinating world of 1700 and 1800s cooking! It's a blast (pun intended lol)! Thank you for watching!
I used tin for tinning. I used flux to bond the tin with the copper. The material for spreading it is housing insulation. You can find the links for the tin, etc in my video descriptions.
Dear Ms. Sarah, About 13 years ago on the show "60 Minutes" Leslie Staul did an interview of Alice Waters. Alice made Leslie a breakfast of eggs and salad and toast. She used an "Egg Spoon" she found in France I think. Then on a Utube video by William Rubel he used a "Egg Spoon" to make his wife an egg for breakfast. Both of these are on UTube. for the last 29 years I have volunteered at a National Park Service Historic Site in Vancouver Washington. Half of that time in their blacksmith shop and the other half in the hearth kitchen. When I got laid off from my IT job in May 2008 (company went bankrupt), I went home and built a website and started making and selling hearth cooking tools. I had had a BS shop for 28 years by then. One of the thing I made was a iron egg spoon like I had seen on "60 Minutes" and in the William Rubel video and in his book "The Magic of Fire". I am no good with copper. I always wanted a copper Mulling Cone to use at the historic site but the one I made turned out out pretty crappy. I gave up. I have your book. Wish I had a mulling come. 8-) You work out with weights I think,. I like your videos. My dad was from Wisconsin. I grew up in MN.
I have been aware of both the Alice Waters bit and the Rubel Magic of Fire book. The funny thing is...all the old books (coppersmith and tinsmith books from the 1800s and early 1900s) do not show egg spoons anywhere. It was not manufactured in the past as an "egg spoon" anywhere I can find, historically. I will continue to look, but short of the two recent/modern sources you mention here, I haven't seen historical record (though would love a source - my books are super old and not all in English but...no egg spoons to be found or listed as manufactured by smiths anywhere in the 1700-1800s), which is why I have the hypothesis of it being a sort of colonial hack and use of kitchen utensils. I could be wrong! :) Anyway, thrilled you have the book and thank you for watching! Yay Wisconsin and the Midwest!
Hey Sarah, thanks for the video. You're terrific.
Love your passion and your work
Great tip about the drywall compound! Here's one passed on to me by my mentor: use a piece of leather in your swage block depression (it'll hold up better than fabric) and glue a piece of leather on the face of your raising hammer. Less chance of dinging up your work!
Also, if you don't have a rivet set, you can easily make one. Just take a piece of round or square stock around three inches long and drill a shallow depression in the end (using a bit at least half again the dia. of the rivet shank). Depression will be a bit more cone shaped than domed but close enough to force the edge of the mushed out rivet tight to the work with one hammer wack. No more tedious dremel grinding!.
I have leather for the swage block as well! I just haven't been pleased with the results. But I think the leather is too thick. I may try thinner. :) Great idea on the rivet set!! Thanks for sharing here!
These are really good videos - very helpful. Thank you
Thank you so much for watching!!
Your tinning videos are a huge help
Oh yay! Thank you! I'm thrilled to know they're helpful! That's the goal!
Awesome. Shop looks great!
Thank you! I'm really loving having a real space finally!
Tinning was absolutely very cool
Thank you!
Thank you for another wonderful video
Thank you so much! So happy it was enjoyable!! yay!
great work, thank you
Thanks for watching!
Although it does not have anything to do with the making of the "egg spoon", the best way to use it in a hearth is to build a fire with one log supported by two other logs so you can hold the egg spoon "underneath" a burning log. That way the heat is from above the egg spoon and it acts like a "broiler". cooking the egg from above. Best way ! ! ! Very nice. 8-)
Thank you for sharing! I will have to actually use one of my egg spoons over a fire one of these days!!
The website that you listed for the solder isn't available anymore. Where should I go to get the silver-tin solder?
Huh! That's weird! Sorry about that! Try this one: www.johnsonmfg.com/temp/NOLEAD.HTM#silver
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What is the diameter and gauge of your copper spoon blank? I make my own rivet sets. I use tool steel rod of appropriate size, drill a shallow pilot hole, then use a ball endmill with a diameter that you want the rivet head to be. Cut to 1/2 the depth of the endmill , then harden the steel for a home made quality tool. Thanks for the video, and you always make tinning look so easy. Ye Old Copper Smith in Rockford.
Oh, great question! I should have put that in there. I use .040 (18 gauge) and cut 5" diameter blanks. Love the rivet set idea! Sometimes I wish I had that all...but to be honest, the time to build the sets would set me back a week and I'm already booked through August in work. When to do the tooling!? Ack! Something to aim for! Thank you for watching!!
Wouldn't a whitney punch work better for putting the holes in?
I mean...if you have one that is strong enough? And you are strong enough? This stuff is pretty thick, so a drill press is the only way I can get through.
What was the liquid that you squirted on the metal during the tinning process?
It is flux. I use Harris Stay Clean liquid flux (you can buy on Amazon).
Very informative for a wannabe. Thank You.
Thank you! Thrilled to hear it!
Is there a rule of thumb for which weight hammer to use with different gauges of sheet?
Not one I have ever heard. It's all what you're trying to do and how strong you are, I'd say.
What's the thickness of sheet
This is out of .040 (18gauge) or 2lbs per square foot.
Hey Sarah…I recently began “Tinsmithing” and have watched several of your videos. Excellent stuff! In this video you mention the Christmas tree the holds your rolling machines. What exactly is that and are they readily available?
Congrats on your journey into this trade! It's a fun one! And thanks for watching! :) The Christmas tree is the cast iron piece that holds all my rotary hand machines, sort of like a bunch of arms. They are not readily available - the only ones I've ever seen are vintage.
That tinning process is cool. Does it bond without having to use any kind of flux? ..or is the tin fluxed?
You need flux for the tin to bond with the copper. I use a liquid flux (it's used in this video - though I think I spray it on off-camera).
@housecopper yes. I've seen a couple more of your videos. I missed when you sprayed it on the pan. as a plumber I'm used to paste flux. I'm surprised that liquid stuff will withstand so much heat like it apparently does.
Anyway, great videos. Great content. I'm hooked and subscribed
@@jdog4534 Oh - I'm thrilled you were able to find the liquid flux example. I tried paste flux early on, and it does NOT work for retinning for various purposes - but yeah, that'd make sense if you are in plumbing! Liquid flux would not be your friend in that line of work. The liquid stuff does burn off if I get the temp too high, or burn with the tin, so it's something you have to watch and learn with the pan thickness and the heat of your fire. But it can handle at least to 500F before it gets too hot to work. Thank you so much for watching and subscribing!!! Yay!
What gauge copper did you use? You said it was thick but did not indicate a gauge. Also, can you recommend a sourse for copper rivets? I am a new blacksmith learner and I am fascinated with the 1700's and 1800's cooking with fire tools. I plan on making some hearth cooking utensils and open flame cooking tools.
Thanks for all the great videos.
I used .040 / 18 gauge. Sorry for not thinking to mention that detail! All my copper rivets come from Prairie Rivet in Markesan, WI. They're a super company - I've been using their rivets for 8 years and toured their shop twice. Congrats on diving into smithing and welcome to the fascinating world of 1700 and 1800s cooking! It's a blast (pun intended lol)! Thank you for watching!
What material did you use for the tinning and what did you use to spread it with? Thanks!
I used tin for tinning. I used flux to bond the tin with the copper. The material for spreading it is housing insulation. You can find the links for the tin, etc in my video descriptions.
Thanks!@@housecopper
What size copper rivets do you use?
For these? I think 1/8 or 3/16" solid shanks. Every build has different sizes of shanks and lengths, but I always use truss-heads.
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Dear Ms. Sarah, About 13 years ago on the show "60 Minutes" Leslie Staul did an interview of Alice Waters. Alice made Leslie a breakfast of eggs and salad and toast. She used an "Egg Spoon" she found in France I think. Then on a Utube video by William Rubel he used a "Egg Spoon" to make his wife an egg for breakfast. Both of these are on UTube. for the last 29 years I have volunteered at a National Park Service Historic Site in Vancouver Washington. Half of that time in their blacksmith shop and the other half in the hearth kitchen. When I got laid off from my IT job in May 2008 (company went bankrupt), I went home and built a website and started making and selling hearth cooking tools. I had had a BS shop for 28 years by then. One of the thing I made was a iron egg spoon like I had seen on "60 Minutes" and in the William Rubel video and in his book "The Magic of Fire". I am no good with copper. I always wanted a copper Mulling Cone to use at the historic site but the one I made turned out out pretty crappy. I gave up. I have your book. Wish I had a mulling come. 8-) You work out with weights I think,. I like your videos. My dad was from Wisconsin. I grew up in MN.
I have been aware of both the Alice Waters bit and the Rubel Magic of Fire book. The funny thing is...all the old books (coppersmith and tinsmith books from the 1800s and early 1900s) do not show egg spoons anywhere. It was not manufactured in the past as an "egg spoon" anywhere I can find, historically. I will continue to look, but short of the two recent/modern sources you mention here, I haven't seen historical record (though would love a source - my books are super old and not all in English but...no egg spoons to be found or listed as manufactured by smiths anywhere in the 1700-1800s), which is why I have the hypothesis of it being a sort of colonial hack and use of kitchen utensils. I could be wrong! :) Anyway, thrilled you have the book and thank you for watching! Yay Wisconsin and the Midwest!
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