I'll be watching this multiple times as CWB is still one of the biggest misteries of the game to me. My personal theory is that it's one of the roles whose behaviour is most influenced by the player's own traits and attributes. It's kind of the "complete forward" of wing-backs if that makes sense.
Your content gets better and better. You’re clearly tactically astute but the difference is you know how to explain it to others. Loved the anecdotal story about the Libero btw, makes a lot of sense
thank you. I wasn't sure if I was going to include the Libero story because I like to keep the videos concise and avoid tangents if I can, but eventually decided to leave it in since I thought it was a perfect anecdote about using support vs attack
The consistent upload times have gotten me to the point where I wake up and just feel a new video has been posted 😂. Great video yet again, keep it up!
One of the best parts of you breaking down these roles, I was already thinking "I bet a halfback would compliment this well" before you got to it, something I only know now because of your half back video!
Great insight again and easy to understand. Have you ever thought of doing a series about opposing player roles and duties? For example how to defend against a SVelonte on Attack or IF on attack or is that something that doesn’t need to happen on FM24
This is a great idea! I recently found myself struggling in a network save against my friends' gegenpress, I went on a deep dive to figure out what the best counter was and that took a lot of time... It would have been nice to watch a DLP video instead!
@@arturillosmeriglia8029 I hear you. I struggle to spot the oppositions danger men and when I do I’m not sure how to stop them or mitigate the danger. Apart from knee capping them 👍
As always an awesome video with a lot of precious information and very good inspirations for my tactics 😎😃 In former FM‘s I used the CWB a lot. But for any kind of reasons I barely used the CWB since FM22. Time to give this player-role a new chance ☺️✌🏼 Thank you very much for your effort in making these fantastic guides 👍🏻😊
I made a tactic packed with roaming players, including complete wing backs. It also has a complete forward, advanced playmaker on the wing, trequartista, raumdauter, roaming playmaker and a deep lying playmaker. The two center backs are just on normal roles. It works amazingly well. Great off the ball movement.
now that's a tactic!! I love that the center backs get to watch all your other players have all the fun, meanwhile they have to stay back and be the defensive cover haha
Once again, great video! CWB-A is my default so I'm very pro this role. I usually retrain a winger as I dont usually play with them. Great callout on the roams from position hard coded trait. Also a great all-round role to train someone in!
Dang it that's a great tip I should've mentioned that in the video hahaha. I love to train my player as a CWB, even if I don't use them in my tactic. Great way to make your players better all around
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I know there's debate on that because they only get a certain amount of attribute growth, so if you spread it out, they won't maximise on specific attributes. But I like the all-rounders. E..g BPDs for CB, CFs for STs, RPM for CM/DMs etc
Fantastic. Everytime I watch a vid from DLP, I want to try building a tactic with these roles. Would very much like to see how you go about things when you start a new season.
Thanks! The "simple tactic" video kinda touches on this, where I started fresh with Luton and how to build out a tactic. But I agree, I need to do more stuff like that! And every time I make one of these videos, I get the urge to try out the roles in everything haha.
Another great video. I find a CW can be great in certain circumstances. When I think of a real world player I think of Frimpong who offers a great offensive option but is also responsible for defensive duties.
It's tough to say they're slept on cause they won the title lol, but man they have quality players everywhere in FM. Him and Grimaldo are a killer WB combo
These role videos are really helping me as I try to develop a tactic to take on the AFC Champions League in my Tanjong Pagar build a nation Singapore save... Admittedly a stupid idea for a first save, but hey, I'm having a boatload of fun
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker It's kinda weird coz a glitch in the game makes every manager in the league resign after 1 season and all of them remain managerless for the rest of the save presumably because there aren't enough Singaporean managers in the game. Also, because Singapore's rank is so low, I'm having problems landing the National team job because the guy in charge is pretty much unsackable
Aside from that, managed to luck my way into the Champions League final, but got slapped 9-2 on aggregate by an Al-Hilal(KSA) that had a 32 yo Leroy Sané destroying my RB who happens to be a CWB. Some Brazilian kid that I managed to swindle into playing for me with the very obvious intention of naturalizing him to play for Singapore. Edit: That run to the final was in my 6/7th season. (Singapore season runs Jan-Dec, ACL runs Jul-May) And it also marked the first time I made it out of the group stage.
Is the S-league manager bug not happening to you? I consistently have an issue where the S-league clubs are not employing new managers when they sack theirs.
In my first season of my Barca save i used both Balde and Cancelo as CWB's on the left. I used Balde on support and cancelo on attack and it was super interesting to see the driving dribbles Cancelo would make to the inside, a lot of the time he was basically an IW on attack. Just something i found cool and thought i would mention. While i'm sure a lot of that was to do with the duty, using a right footed CWB on the left or vice versa can be effective too.
very cool thanks for sharing!! It is funny, I'll see that from time to time as well. I think I had a winger I had to play on the right (injuries or something), but he was completely right footed. So he would make a bunch of weird cuts and runs. Anyway, I think you stumbled on a new player role haha. The wrong footed wingback
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymakeryup, I think Cancelo actually had the tries tricks trait which you mentioned is a good one. Perhaps it was a perfect storm of everything.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I did! It was a great content as usual. I believe that this is one of the toughest roles to explain and you did a good job. It seems to me that how this role acts depends on the player attributes and traits much more than any other role maybe apart from the straight-up Central Midfielder with no instructions :) Are there any other roles left, I wonder?
Once again a great addition to understand the roll(s) better. After the counter information this one was very usefull for my luton tactic, kaboré on cwb (att) is much better 😂
Great video as always. Also, would you be able to make a series on comparing the roles of each position? (Comparing all the striker roles and explaining what tactics they work with) I usually struggle with choosing the roles of my players while trying to make tactics.
That's definitely the plan! I haven't done it yet because I want to get through the individual roles first; but I'm actually getting closer to finishing them all now that I think about it haha. So stay tuned!
Finding a CWB with a truly exceptional all-around skill set is the biggest challenge. It's important to remember that this role isn't independent role. To make it work effectively, you often need to adjust the positions and roles of 3 or 4 players around the CWB to achieve the desired tactical outcome. But no other player can control opposition D Box wide area like CWB from defensive line.
Very true indeed. It falls on the end of the spectrum where the Roaming Playmaker is; meaning you can't just toss it out there without special tactical considerations. But if you have the right player and a good system, they can thrive
Always fan of a new video from this channel! Although this is the first time I find myself not agreeing with somethings you say. Don’t really think in right or wrong or good or bad. But Hernandez is THE dream IWB on AT. Completely agree with him being a bad choice for CWB as I rate Flair a lot for a position that is allowed to do a bit more. But a bit of an odd choice imo when it comes to CWB WB comparisons. The winger, F9 mirror with a CWB behind on one side tactic broke my brain a bit 😅. And I didn’t quit follow your explanation. I don’t see how you don’t want at least one winger cutting inside. I see how a MEZ fits well with a W and WB. But the runs a CWB (A) with MEZ(S/A) and IF (S/A) combo can bring, especially with a F9, just seem a lot more logical imo. But anyways loved the insight again and all love ❤
Thanks for the comment and the contrasting points of view!! With the Theo comparison, it was more of a "he's a popular wing back, here's some things to look out for" plus I think I had watched a video on AC Milan recently so they were on my brain 😂😂 For the tactic, that's probably more to do with my preferences on roles at the moment lol. Been really enjoying the winger recently and liked some of the movement. Also, if you'll allow me to defend the tactic a little further, in the highlight breakdown I showed, the winger actually does make a delayed cut inside to be (mostly) unmarked in on goal 😆 but your point still stands, and I appreciate the thoughtful contrasting point of view!
Amazing video. I`ve used CWB on support and attack, both to some extent and both work, but I found your tip very interesting. A little pronounciation tip > the stressed syllable in `Nautico` is NAU. so you say NAU-ti-co.
Thank you!! Glad it helped out. And thank you for the pronunciation tip! For a little clarity for myself,I said it "now TICO" (emphasising the end) but it would be "NOWtico", emphasing the first half?
Probably one of my favorite ever roles, the Complete Wing Back -usually on Attack - or simply, the Daniel Alves role. Usually pair him with an IF/IW on sup and a CAR to cover a bit defensively on the side. The only negative thing about the role is that not many people can actually play it since it is very demanding. Some of the best CWB in game would be, Gaya, Hakimi, Yan Couto and Jordi Alba (at least when he was younger).
thanks for this, really insightful! And great call with Hakimi; makes me want to do some tactical stuff with him now 😅😅 I'd love to retry the tactic I showed in this video with a IW/Car. Maybe I'll give it a shot with PSG. Thanks! ✌
Could you do some of these with team instructions as well? they're also a big mysterie for me, what exactly they do and how they impact your team in corelation with mentality and roles etc
i agree with your high floor-low ceiling philosophy. as we don't know how the game make his calculation, we can only guess. let's say that a shoot need just finishing and composure. a player with 10(50% of positive chance) and 10(50% of positive chance) will have 0.5x0.5= 25% of positive chance if a player has 8 and 12 (same amount of total points as above) will have 40% of postive chance in an attribute and 60% in another = 0.4x0.6= 24% this proves that a well rounded player should be better
Also helps if you need to change the player role to something different as the match goes on. The versatile player is better able to slot in different roles, rather than just getting a player to only play as a CWB
Very interesting. Haven't tried it much yet. Any time I've tried it, the player (or players, when using 2 CWBs) tend to cause a pretty big defensive weakness, and I get spooked and change it back to something more orthodox. But admittedly I haven't yet tried it for a sustained amount of time, because I've recently been playing Journeyman and taking over yo-yo clubs deep in the relegation zone that need defensive solidity first. And I noticed that some of the players that I thought were good fits, actually don't match this "high floor/low ceiling". Like they'll be borderline Premier League/Championship wing-backs with 'only' 11 in some CWB attributes. Generally speaking I find WBs pretty risky in this game, unless you're really dominant. I actually quite like to use FBs on support, and trust in the BPDs, DLP, CM(A) etc. to get the ball forward, spray to wingers, etc. Playing like this with a positive 4-3-3, I had the lowest goals conceded and the most clean sheets in the Championship with Fulham, but also the worst number of goals in the entire top half of the league, although there was also a pretty big xG underperformance there. We hit a bad slump of form just when we were in pole position for automatic promotion, but thankfully won the playoff finals on pens. I would love it if, at some point, you could talk about FBs and compare them to WBs. Especially some exotic uses like the FB on attack, or the IFB.
I would probably only use 2 CWB in a tactic unless I'm a top club and playing lower opposition. Leverkusen I was messing around with 2 CWB, for example. And even then that's a lot of players roaming and upsetting the shape of your tactic; at some point the downsides outweigh the upside. Recently I've really started to appreciate using Wingers instead of Wing Backs with Full Backs sitting behind. With the Winger you get the attacking benefits of a player who will stay wide, get in crosses, provide your width, but you have the defensive safety of the Full Backs. And the way the FB sit in the attacking midfield area provides a really nice shell to pin in the opposition. I agree, I need to do something on the Full Backs. I can't say they're underrated because I myself don't talk about them a ton haha. Thinking back, I find it interesting that whenever I need to get a result, I use a Full Back not a Wing Back. Like those Luton videos where I use a back 4, I go FB not WB. Anyway, all that to say I agree with you. FB = good haha.
@@omisandetaiwo7947 I’ve used the Defensive Midfielder on Defend with an IFB with two CB the middle CB as a BPD on cover, it creates a back four diamond which has worked well in the past.
The scoring chance I showed early in this one where the CWB goes from out wide, dribbles all the way through the center midfield, and plays the pass to get us a shot in on goal is wild
Absolute Cornerstone role in my current save. Dozens of goals off crosses from these guys. And sometimes they score themselves. Eric Junior Dina Ebimbe is my guy. Aurelio Buta the backup. Cant seem to get this role wrong.
Have you thought of maybe starting your own discord where you can share some ideas or where people can talk among themself if they need some help with something about tactic or role or something else
Excellent catch for Fresneda.. he may have to wait for the Complete Wing Back sequel video haha. And Tsimikas is so good. I love any player that's well rounded like that
I don't support them as my favorite team (it's the Eagles!), but I do enjoy them from a personal standpoint. I expect an improvement from last season, but that's really the only option based on how their season went last year haha. They need to make small improvements and keep developing Bryce Young
I think you can transpose what that person said about the Libero role onto the modern Libero in FM24,too. Why use the Defend version? Sure, it's not as risky because he doesn't venture as far forward, but if you want that movement anyway, just use IFB's or have cover elsewhere and get the full benefit.
I've utilised it in weaker leagues to make up for my player's weaknesses. For example, I'd use a cb with good mentals and passing, but low pace and dribbling. So he wouldn't venture out of defensive midfield, and act as a DLP in possesion and a cb in defence. It worked quite well.
Very true. I touched on it in the video, but these roles you have to build part of your tactic around anyway, might as well get the full use out of them
Does the time wasting affect players to pass the ball slower seeking for the third man like de zerbi system?And what is the different between take more risk and more direct passing PI?
I believe time wasting only affects things like the time taken on set pieces, throws, goal kicks, etc.. And take more risks can effect things like shooting, passing, forward runs, etc... where more direct passing effects how your team passes the ball
The trequartista of defense, like the libero on support it is just too hard to find a good player for the role, expecially from a back 4. Great video as always
Reminds me a bit of the roaming playmaker in that when it's good it's gooood but when it's not.... you're looking through the available jobs board haha
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I already play a roaming playmaker, a trequartista and a libero on support, probably a complete winger would be just too much quality ahahahahah
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I actually forgot that I do use the complete wingback sometimes, in a very peculiar way: I use it together with an inverted fullback on the same side against teams that particularly strong on wing game. This way I can enjoy its offensive capabilities without any risk.
What if I wanna use two CWB on attack in a back 3 formation? What do you recomend to be my role in central midfield? (I was thinking about going with a BWM and a BBM)
yea that could definitely work! In my video on the Libero, I ran a similar formation (no CWB though). It was a 343 with a BBM and BWM in the midfield and we had a killer defensive team with Monaco in Ligue 1. Check it out, may give you some ideas
Love this but even I still think a CWB is far too aggressive. At least for my tactics I think Iv got my 433 correct finally it’s just Iv noticed a weakness when playing against teams that have 3 at the back and 2 wing back tactics
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker with my inter Miami squad I managed to beat LAFC 6-0 with this tactic 2 defensive full backs 2 centre backs on ball playing defender one central defender. One ball winning defensive midfielder. Advanced playmaker on attack and mezzala on attack 2 attacking wingers and either a pressing forward or advanced forward on attack.
i was just changed pedro porro from a wing back on to a complete wingback, he has the most assists in my team and now he is 3 games without an assist and has bad ratings, i thought because he was doing so good a complete wingback would make him more aggresive and creative, but now i understand its not that, its a tactical change from a WB to a CWB. i have a question though, i watched a video from TheCoachesVoice (Enzo Maresca • Leicester City tactics), where he explains how he creates a box midfield, I have been trying to create his tactic but i am having a problem with making my winger tuck in and sit in the half space (almost like a mezzala), to be the second player of the top part of the box. how can i achieve this. since the IF with stay narrower will still be wider than the half space and so does the inverted winger with stay narrower. how can i achieve this?. and that would also be my suggestion, you can make videos recreating tactical ideas like the box midfield.
that's a really good idea for a video, thank you! (note this is just a theory and haven't tested it) but have you tried something like an attacking midfielder with the "stay wider" as a player instruction? If you play a formation that has two AMC (like a narrow 4-3-2-1), with stay wider that may force them into the areas your looking at.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker It actually worked))), i used one winger to go wide and the other winger i played him as an attacking midfielder with enganche because i want him to sit in the half space, i gave him a marking instruction to mark the full back, so when we dont have the ball he defends as if he is a winger. thanks for the idea mate)))
You know I haven't really thought about doing specific tactics too much; thanks for the suggestion! Maybe I'll look into doing some more of that once I make my way around the player roles
In the last video where I used Leverkusen, I had him as a CWB. He's so good and his free kick attribute makes any set piece from open play a goal scoring chance
There's no right or wrong, but in my experience, the Complete Wing Back (CWB) shines when there's no wide player ahead of him. This setup truly highlights the CWB's role characteristics. A solid, holding Defensive Midfielder is essential, whether it's one or two. Providing the CWB with space from the wing to within 2 meters of the corner-side penalty area allows him to truly excel. For optimal results, consider pairing the CWB with either a "stay wide" Winger or a "stay narrow" inside Forward. Finding a CWB with a truly exceptional all-around skill set is the biggest challenge. It's important to remember that this role isn't independent role. To make it work effectively, you often need to adjust the positions and roles of 3 or 4 players around the CWB to achieve the desired tactical outcome.
the important thing is that under player instructions the "roam from position" instruction is in the section of instructions that only apply if your team is in possession. In possession (in attack), players roaming from position are very useful, especially if they are creative and have good off the ball attributes, as they can find space that can be exploited to further support your attack. And in defense? Well, in defense (out of possession) he is gonna hold his position like the other full back roles.
@@adrian225 if i want width i go with a wingback if I want to overload the midfield i go with an inverted full back i don't like the the fact that in possession you don't know what a complete wingback will do. I like the roam from position instruction just not on full backs
Currently using one of my most creative players: Hrvatin as a CWB in a 5-2-1-2. Broski has 16 crossing 15 passing 14 vision and dribbling, and has 16 assists at the end of March in the Eredivisie (he also takes the corners on the left). Love how he basically has the whole outside lane on his own to create and be dangerous. And with “Tries Killer Passes” he offers some lovely through balls as well as leading the WBs in the league in dribbles and being 2nd on all positions in crossing.
You should see my tactics haha... it's a mishmash of different player roles becaues everytime I work on a video, I want to incorporate them into everything
Babe wake up, DLP made another banger!
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I'll be watching this multiple times as CWB is still one of the biggest misteries of the game to me. My personal theory is that it's one of the roles whose behaviour is most influenced by the player's own traits and attributes. It's kind of the "complete forward" of wing-backs if that makes sense.
haha! As I was reading your reply, I was like hey that sounds kinda like what I said 🤣🤣 Great minds!
I put Wingers to play CWB in lower leagues, they deliver it strongly. A great outlet for teams in Vanarama with a IF on the same side
@@JohnnyRadovic85 Never thought about doing that, I'm 100% stealing that thank you
Your content gets better and better. You’re clearly tactically astute but the difference is you know how to explain it to others. Loved the anecdotal story about the Libero btw, makes a lot of sense
thank you. I wasn't sure if I was going to include the Libero story because I like to keep the videos concise and avoid tangents if I can, but eventually decided to leave it in since I thought it was a perfect anecdote about using support vs attack
Glad you’re making this video, CWB is probably the role I understand least
Np! It's a doozy of a role for sure
The consistent upload times have gotten me to the point where I wake up and just feel a new video has been posted 😂. Great video yet again, keep it up!
haha thanks!! They say consistency is key to many things in life lol
One of the best parts of you breaking down these roles, I was already thinking "I bet a halfback would compliment this well" before you got to it, something I only know now because of your half back video!
That's so cool haha. It's funny how a lot of these roles are intertwined and you can start seeing patterns on which ones work well together.
The fact Tsimikas has attributes like that just shows players at big teams are so overpowered
These continue to be fantastic. Excellent work sir!
Not sure I've mentioned it before, but I do love seeing NC represented in the background!
Thank you!! And that helmet is very old haha. I think it's at least 20 years old, so not too long after their inaugural season
Great insight again and easy to understand. Have you ever thought of doing a series about opposing player roles and duties? For example how to defend against a SVelonte on Attack or IF on attack or is that something that doesn’t need to happen on FM24
This is a great idea! I recently found myself struggling in a network save against my friends' gegenpress, I went on a deep dive to figure out what the best counter was and that took a lot of time... It would have been nice to watch a DLP video instead!
You know I've never thought about that, but I think that could be a really fun idea. Thanks for the suggestion! 👍
@@arturillosmeriglia8029 I hear you. I struggle to spot the oppositions danger men and when I do I’m not sure how to stop them or mitigate the danger. Apart from knee capping them 👍
@@utdway1878 knee capping them is still my goto even after a decade of playing FM... If it works...
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Much love my friend thank you for this
Brilliant video. Never understood the role before now. And the theory about "complete" makes perfect sense to me.
glad it helped! And the theory makes sense haha I think. if it works for the complete forward, it would figure to work for the complete wing back too!
As always an awesome video with a lot of precious information and very good inspirations for my tactics 😎😃 In former FM‘s I used the CWB a lot. But for any kind of reasons I barely used the CWB since FM22. Time to give this player-role a new chance ☺️✌🏼 Thank you very much for your effort in making these fantastic guides 👍🏻😊
thank you my friend!! Always a good day to try out a revisit a new role!
Excellent content. This was great to explain better than the base information and puts it in the context FM players need it.
Much appreciated! Hope these videos will be a nice compendium to playing FM over time
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker It has and I've continued to move on to other positions I don't fully understand. Finished Poacher and Carrilero is next. :)
Fantastic as usual. Please keep them coming !
Always appreciate the support, thank you!
I made a tactic packed with roaming players, including complete wing backs. It also has a complete forward, advanced playmaker on the wing, trequartista, raumdauter, roaming playmaker and a deep lying playmaker. The two center backs are just on normal roles. It works amazingly well. Great off the ball movement.
now that's a tactic!! I love that the center backs get to watch all your other players have all the fun, meanwhile they have to stay back and be the defensive cover haha
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Once again, great video! CWB-A is my default so I'm very pro this role. I usually retrain a winger as I dont usually play with them. Great callout on the roams from position hard coded trait.
Also a great all-round role to train someone in!
Dang it that's a great tip I should've mentioned that in the video hahaha. I love to train my player as a CWB, even if I don't use them in my tactic. Great way to make your players better all around
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I know there's debate on that because they only get a certain amount of attribute growth, so if you spread it out, they won't maximise on specific attributes. But I like the all-rounders. E..g BPDs for CB, CFs for STs, RPM for CM/DMs etc
Another banger from DLP 🎉🎉🎉
thank you my friend!!
Fantastic. Everytime I watch a vid from DLP, I want to try building a tactic with these roles. Would very much like to see how you go about things when you start a new season.
Thanks! The "simple tactic" video kinda touches on this, where I started fresh with Luton and how to build out a tactic. But I agree, I need to do more stuff like that!
And every time I make one of these videos, I get the urge to try out the roles in everything haha.
Finally, it's there! 🥳
Not a bad Wednesday!
Another great video. I find a CW can be great in certain circumstances. When I think of a real world player I think of Frimpong who offers a great offensive option but is also responsible for defensive duties.
It's tough to say they're slept on cause they won the title lol, but man they have quality players everywhere in FM. Him and Grimaldo are a killer WB combo
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Agreed. I wanted Utd to sign Grimaldo years ago. Such a good player. They also have Quality in all areas as well!
These role videos are really helping me as I try to develop a tactic to take on the AFC Champions League in my Tanjong Pagar build a nation Singapore save... Admittedly a stupid idea for a first save, but hey, I'm having a boatload of fun
Sounds like a really fun save idea to me!! Keep me updated on how it goes. And happy that these videos are able to play a part of it
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker It's kinda weird coz a glitch in the game makes every manager in the league resign after 1 season and all of them remain managerless for the rest of the save presumably because there aren't enough Singaporean managers in the game. Also, because Singapore's rank is so low, I'm having problems landing the National team job because the guy in charge is pretty much unsackable
Aside from that, managed to luck my way into the Champions League final, but got slapped 9-2 on aggregate by an Al-Hilal(KSA) that had a 32 yo Leroy Sané destroying my RB who happens to be a CWB. Some Brazilian kid that I managed to swindle into playing for me with the very obvious intention of naturalizing him to play for Singapore.
Edit: That run to the final was in my 6/7th season. (Singapore season runs Jan-Dec, ACL runs Jul-May) And it also marked the first time I made it out of the group stage.
Is the S-league manager bug not happening to you? I consistently have an issue where the S-league clubs are not employing new managers when they sack theirs.
@@dhauz___7855 that's happening too. They won't be fixing it in FM24 sadly
In my first season of my Barca save i used both Balde and Cancelo as CWB's on the left. I used Balde on support and cancelo on attack and it was super interesting to see the driving dribbles Cancelo would make to the inside, a lot of the time he was basically an IW on attack. Just something i found cool and thought i would mention. While i'm sure a lot of that was to do with the duty, using a right footed CWB on the left or vice versa can be effective too.
very cool thanks for sharing!! It is funny, I'll see that from time to time as well. I think I had a winger I had to play on the right (injuries or something), but he was completely right footed. So he would make a bunch of weird cuts and runs.
Anyway, I think you stumbled on a new player role haha. The wrong footed wingback
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymakeryup, I think Cancelo actually had the tries tricks trait which you mentioned is a good one. Perhaps it was a perfect storm of everything.
Another quality video. Fantastic stuff.
Thank you!
I've been waiting for this :)
Hope you enjoyed!! I'll settle for mild amusement as well
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I did! It was a great content as usual. I believe that this is one of the toughest roles to explain and you did a good job.
It seems to me that how this role acts depends on the player attributes and traits much more than any other role maybe apart from the straight-up Central Midfielder with no instructions :)
Are there any other roles left, I wonder?
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Once again a great addition to understand the roll(s) better.
After the counter information this one was very usefull for my luton tactic, kaboré on cwb (att) is much better 😂
No problem! And I always wonder why Luton have so many great wingbacks haha. Ogbene was unstoppable for me
Great video as always. Also, would you be able to make a series on comparing the roles of each position? (Comparing all the striker roles and explaining what tactics they work with) I usually struggle with choosing the roles of my players while trying to make tactics.
That's definitely the plan! I haven't done it yet because I want to get through the individual roles first; but I'm actually getting closer to finishing them all now that I think about it haha. So stay tuned!
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being compared to him is the greatest honor I could ever hope to achieve
Finding a CWB with a truly exceptional all-around skill set is the biggest challenge. It's important to remember that this role isn't independent role. To make it work effectively, you often need to adjust the positions and roles of 3 or 4 players around the CWB to achieve the desired tactical outcome. But no other player can control opposition D Box wide area like CWB from defensive line.
Very true indeed. It falls on the end of the spectrum where the Roaming Playmaker is; meaning you can't just toss it out there without special tactical considerations. But if you have the right player and a good system, they can thrive
Always fan of a new video from this channel!
Although this is the first time I find myself not agreeing with somethings you say.
Don’t really think in right or wrong or good or bad. But Hernandez is THE dream IWB on AT. Completely agree with him being a bad choice for CWB as I rate Flair a lot for a position that is allowed to do a bit more. But a bit of an odd choice imo when it comes to CWB WB comparisons.
The winger, F9 mirror with a CWB behind on one side tactic broke my brain a bit 😅. And I didn’t quit follow your explanation.
I don’t see how you don’t want at least one winger cutting inside. I see how a MEZ fits well with a W and WB. But the runs a CWB (A) with MEZ(S/A) and IF (S/A) combo can bring, especially with a F9, just seem a lot more logical imo.
But anyways loved the insight again and all love ❤
Thanks for the comment and the contrasting points of view!!
With the Theo comparison, it was more of a "he's a popular wing back, here's some things to look out for" plus I think I had watched a video on AC Milan recently so they were on my brain 😂😂
For the tactic, that's probably more to do with my preferences on roles at the moment lol. Been really enjoying the winger recently and liked some of the movement. Also, if you'll allow me to defend the tactic a little further, in the highlight breakdown I showed, the winger actually does make a delayed cut inside to be (mostly) unmarked in on goal 😆 but your point still stands, and I appreciate the thoughtful contrasting point of view!
These videos are incredible. The problem is I want to use every role you highlight!
I feel the same way haha
Amazing video. I`ve used CWB on support and attack, both to some extent and both work, but I found your tip very interesting. A little pronounciation tip > the stressed syllable in `Nautico` is NAU. so you say NAU-ti-co.
Thank you!! Glad it helped out. And thank you for the pronunciation tip! For a little clarity for myself,I said it "now TICO" (emphasising the end) but it would be "NOWtico", emphasing the first half?
Waiting for this one🎉
Hope you enjoyed it!! Or if you didn't enjoy it, I'd take at least mildly entertained lol
Probably one of my favorite ever roles, the Complete Wing Back -usually on Attack - or simply, the Daniel Alves role. Usually pair him with an IF/IW on sup and a CAR to cover a bit defensively on the side. The only negative thing about the role is that not many people can actually play it since it is very demanding. Some of the best CWB in game would be, Gaya, Hakimi, Yan Couto and Jordi Alba (at least when he was younger).
thanks for this, really insightful! And great call with Hakimi; makes me want to do some tactical stuff with him now 😅😅
I'd love to retry the tactic I showed in this video with a IW/Car. Maybe I'll give it a shot with PSG. Thanks! ✌
Could you do some of these with team instructions as well? they're also a big mysterie for me, what exactly they do and how they impact your team in corelation with mentality and roles etc
I don't think it's the next video, but there should be a video coming soon that gets to team instructions!
i agree with your high floor-low ceiling philosophy.
as we don't know how the game make his calculation, we can only guess.
let's say that a shoot need just finishing and composure. a player with 10(50% of positive chance) and 10(50% of positive chance) will have 0.5x0.5= 25% of positive chance
if a player has 8 and 12 (same amount of total points as above) will have 40% of postive chance in an attribute and 60% in another = 0.4x0.6= 24%
this proves that a well rounded player should be better
Also helps if you need to change the player role to something different as the match goes on. The versatile player is better able to slot in different roles, rather than just getting a player to only play as a CWB
Great video as always was wondering if you could do a video on targert forward
Thanks you, and the TF video is not in the immediate release schedule, but it shouldn't very terribly long. thanks for the suggestion!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker no problem ill be patiently waiting for your next video
Very interesting. Haven't tried it much yet. Any time I've tried it, the player (or players, when using 2 CWBs) tend to cause a pretty big defensive weakness, and I get spooked and change it back to something more orthodox. But admittedly I haven't yet tried it for a sustained amount of time, because I've recently been playing Journeyman and taking over yo-yo clubs deep in the relegation zone that need defensive solidity first. And I noticed that some of the players that I thought were good fits, actually don't match this "high floor/low ceiling". Like they'll be borderline Premier League/Championship wing-backs with 'only' 11 in some CWB attributes.
Generally speaking I find WBs pretty risky in this game, unless you're really dominant. I actually quite like to use FBs on support, and trust in the BPDs, DLP, CM(A) etc. to get the ball forward, spray to wingers, etc. Playing like this with a positive 4-3-3, I had the lowest goals conceded and the most clean sheets in the Championship with Fulham, but also the worst number of goals in the entire top half of the league, although there was also a pretty big xG underperformance there. We hit a bad slump of form just when we were in pole position for automatic promotion, but thankfully won the playoff finals on pens.
I would love it if, at some point, you could talk about FBs and compare them to WBs. Especially some exotic uses like the FB on attack, or the IFB.
I would probably only use 2 CWB in a tactic unless I'm a top club and playing lower opposition. Leverkusen I was messing around with 2 CWB, for example. And even then that's a lot of players roaming and upsetting the shape of your tactic; at some point the downsides outweigh the upside.
Recently I've really started to appreciate using Wingers instead of Wing Backs with Full Backs sitting behind. With the Winger you get the attacking benefits of a player who will stay wide, get in crosses, provide your width, but you have the defensive safety of the Full Backs. And the way the FB sit in the attacking midfield area provides a really nice shell to pin in the opposition.
I agree, I need to do something on the Full Backs. I can't say they're underrated because I myself don't talk about them a ton haha. Thinking back, I find it interesting that whenever I need to get a result, I use a Full Back not a Wing Back. Like those Luton videos where I use a back 4, I go FB not WB.
Anyway, all that to say I agree with you. FB = good haha.
Legendary run fr fr
much love!!
Another top one. Please do the "Defensive Midfielder' role. Still unclear about it.
@@omisandetaiwo7947 I’ve used the Defensive Midfielder on Defend with an IFB with two CB the middle CB as a BPD on cover, it creates a back four diamond which has worked well in the past.
@@omisandetaiwo7947 I used a DM on Defend with a IFB BPD on Cover and CD on defend to create a Diamond back four. It worked well
Thanks! And you're right, I've been thinking I need to do more of the "generic" roles too, thanks for the suggestion!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Great, looking forward to it
Another one 🎉
Gotta keep the streak going!! haha
Great video bro. Is it possible for u to make a video on how to make a proper 352 system later on?
Definitely! I hope to make some formation ideas in the future, and how to build a balanced tactic with different ones (433, 352, etc..)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you! Looking forward to them!
CWBa is a machine.
Put some kind of defensive midfielder behind him and just watch him assist. Glorious role
The scoring chance I showed early in this one where the CWB goes from out wide, dribbles all the way through the center midfield, and plays the pass to get us a shot in on goal is wild
Absolute Cornerstone role in my current save.
Dozens of goals off crosses from these guys. And sometimes they score themselves.
Eric Junior Dina Ebimbe is my guy.
Aurelio Buta the backup.
Cant seem to get this role wrong.
I used Yan Couto in this role. He was good!
Oooo that's a great call! I need to try him out in the role now haha
Have you thought of maybe starting your own discord where you can share some ideas or where people can talk among themself if they need some help with something about tactic or role or something else
There should be some information very soon about Discord; and thank you for the suggestion!
I’m more of a full back guy but I have to say the CWB looks like fun to try and it’ll give me an excuse to use an anchor so why not 😅
Full Back and Winger are on my "Most Overlooked Role" all star team lol
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymakera man of culture I see
Where is Ivan Fresneda?! I was expecting to see him as the best CWB example.
But anyway, I'm Greek, so happy that you used τον Κώστα Τσιμίκα instead 😊
Excellent catch for Fresneda.. he may have to wait for the Complete Wing Back sequel video haha.
And Tsimikas is so good. I love any player that's well rounded like that
Just curious are you supporting the panthers? If so what’s your expectations for this season?
I don't support them as my favorite team (it's the Eagles!), but I do enjoy them from a personal standpoint. I expect an improvement from last season, but that's really the only option based on how their season went last year haha. They need to make small improvements and keep developing Bryce Young
I think you can transpose what that person said about the Libero role onto the modern Libero in FM24,too. Why use the Defend version? Sure, it's not as risky because he doesn't venture as far forward, but if you want that movement anyway, just use IFB's or have cover elsewhere and get the full benefit.
I've utilised it in weaker leagues to make up for my player's weaknesses. For example, I'd use a cb with good mentals and passing, but low pace and dribbling.
So he wouldn't venture out of defensive midfield, and act as a DLP in possesion and a cb in defence. It worked quite well.
Very true. I touched on it in the video, but these roles you have to build part of your tactic around anyway, might as well get the full use out of them
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I had a CWB lead my team in tackles won per 90, it’s a very misinterpreted role as attacking only
hello great video! can u tell me what skin u use ? thanks
It's the Rensie Dark FM24 skin! It's on FMScout
Does the time wasting affect players to pass the ball slower seeking for the third man like de zerbi system?And what is the different between take more risk and more direct passing PI?
I believe time wasting only affects things like the time taken on set pieces, throws, goal kicks, etc..
And take more risks can effect things like shooting, passing, forward runs, etc... where more direct passing effects how your team passes the ball
The trequartista of defense, like the libero on support it is just too hard to find a good player for the role, expecially from a back 4.
Great video as always
Reminds me a bit of the roaming playmaker in that when it's good it's gooood but when it's not.... you're looking through the available jobs board haha
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I already play a roaming playmaker, a trequartista and a libero on support, probably a complete winger would be just too much quality ahahahahah
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I actually forgot that I do use the complete wingback sometimes, in a very peculiar way: I use it together with an inverted fullback on the same side against teams that particularly strong on wing game. This way I can enjoy its offensive capabilities without any risk.
What if I wanna use two CWB on attack in a back 3 formation? What do you recomend to be my role in central midfield? (I was thinking about going with a BWM and a BBM)
yea that could definitely work! In my video on the Libero, I ran a similar formation (no CWB though). It was a 343 with a BBM and BWM in the midfield and we had a killer defensive team with Monaco in Ligue 1. Check it out, may give you some ideas
Target Forward would be good
Love this but even I still think a CWB is far too aggressive. At least for my tactics I think Iv got my 433 correct finally it’s just Iv noticed a weakness when playing against teams that have 3 at the back and 2 wing back tactics
Totally fair. Nothing wrong with thinking a CWB is too aggressive, and there are many time that a normal WB (or even a FB) can work better in a tactic
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker with my inter Miami squad I managed to beat LAFC 6-0 with this tactic 2 defensive full backs 2 centre backs on ball playing defender one central defender. One ball winning defensive midfielder. Advanced playmaker on attack and mezzala on attack 2 attacking wingers and either a pressing forward or advanced forward on attack.
CWB/WB is imo the strongest role in the game, basically you want 2 CWB i every tactic
i was just changed pedro porro from a wing back on to a complete wingback, he has the most assists in my team and now he is 3 games without an assist and has bad ratings, i thought because he was doing so good a complete wingback would make him more aggresive and creative, but now i understand its not that, its a tactical change from a WB to a CWB.
i have a question though, i watched a video from TheCoachesVoice (Enzo Maresca • Leicester City tactics), where he explains how he creates a box midfield, I have been trying to create his tactic but i am having a problem with making my winger tuck in and sit in the half space (almost like a mezzala), to be the second player of the top part of the box.
how can i achieve this. since the IF with stay narrower will still be wider than the half space and so does the inverted winger with stay narrower.
how can i achieve this?.
and that would also be my suggestion, you can make videos recreating tactical ideas like the box midfield.
that's a really good idea for a video, thank you! (note this is just a theory and haven't tested it) but have you tried something like an attacking midfielder with the "stay wider" as a player instruction? If you play a formation that has two AMC (like a narrow 4-3-2-1), with stay wider that may force them into the areas your looking at.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker It actually worked))), i used one winger to go wide and the other winger i played him as an attacking midfielder with enganche because i want him to sit in the half space, i gave him a marking instruction to mark the full back, so when we dont have the ball he defends as if he is a winger.
thanks for the idea mate)))
@@wezarxmen6ar761 ha that's awesome! Glad it worked out
Would love to see you make ETH tactic at Ajax with the Frankie de jong role
You know I haven't really thought about doing specific tactics too much; thanks for the suggestion! Maybe I'll look into doing some more of that once I make my way around the player roles
The Grimaldo role
In the last video where I used Leverkusen, I had him as a CWB. He's so good and his free kick attribute makes any set piece from open play a goal scoring chance
Raumdeuter next please
I'm not sure if the Ram is in upcoming videos! Thank you for your patience though. Know you've been looking forward to it
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I think it’s an underrated role, but thanks for the reply.
The Cucurella role
Such an underrated player
Complete Wing Back :
RB✅️
LB✅️
RWB✅️
LWB✅️
RMF✅️
LMF✅️
RWF✅️
LWF✅️
RW✅️
LW✅️
right on!
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Perfect CWB is Alex Grimaldo
Id never use CWB as the lone wide player on his flank; it just seems too risky.
Totally fair. That's why I like using a half back, at least you get some back-3 coverage when you're in possession
There's no right or wrong, but in my experience, the Complete Wing Back (CWB) shines when there's no wide player ahead of him. This setup truly highlights the CWB's role characteristics. A solid, holding Defensive Midfielder is essential, whether it's one or two. Providing the CWB with space from the wing to within 2 meters of the corner-side penalty area allows him to truly excel. For optimal results, consider pairing the CWB with either a "stay wide" Winger or a "stay narrow" inside Forward.
Finding a CWB with a truly exceptional all-around skill set is the biggest challenge. It's important to remember that this role isn't independent role. To make it work effectively, you often need to adjust the positions and roles of 3 or 4 players around the CWB to achieve the desired tactical outcome.
bro omeg luke watches you
congrats
man that's so wild. incredible he gave the channel a shout out 🎉🎉
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker well not suprising that ur the most underated fm content creator rn
also u deserve all reconition
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker he gave it in his latest vid
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I hate this role i never use it why would you want a full back that roams from position
the important thing is that under player instructions the "roam from position" instruction is in the section of instructions that only apply if your team is in possession. In possession (in attack), players roaming from position are very useful, especially if they are creative and have good off the ball attributes, as they can find space that can be exploited to further support your attack.
And in defense? Well, in defense (out of possession) he is gonna hold his position like the other full back roles.
@@adrian225 if i want width i go with a wingback if I want to overload the midfield i go with an inverted full back i don't like the the fact that in possession you don't know what a complete wingback will do. I like the roam from position instruction just not on full backs
Currently using one of my most creative players: Hrvatin as a CWB in a 5-2-1-2. Broski has 16 crossing 15 passing 14 vision and dribbling, and has 16 assists at the end of March in the Eredivisie (he also takes the corners on the left).
Love how he basically has the whole outside lane on his own to create and be dangerous. And with “Tries Killer Passes” he offers some lovely through balls as well as leading the WBs in the league in dribbles and being 2nd on all positions in crossing.
@@SihlonitshiweVazhure A complete wingback is a bit of both, he can overload the midfield and provide width.
@@edubrooke2753 Maybe you guys are right but from i struggle getting assists from full back if i get a good player ill try the role
Every time you make a new video I end up changing my entire tactic and buy different players. Please stop. It's addicting.
You should see my tactics haha... it's a mishmash of different player roles becaues everytime I work on a video, I want to incorporate them into everything
Well that was quick, thanks dude! 😂🫶
😆😆 hope you enjoy!!
Always!