I toss my notepad away and walk in here like a kid that hasn't played football manager before. Love your videos, Sir. The Luton one taught me a lesson. "Sometimes the bigger team is the bigger team, and it's okay to sit back and defend."
that's awesome!! Love that; really glad these help out. My main message for these Luton videos: it's okay to lose. Put your team in the best position to win and hope for the best... and resist the urge to throw your computer out the window when your team gives up a goal in the 90th minute lol
See, this is what I love about your channel - I would never think of using a P-AF-EG attacking trident, especially not for a possession system. And yet here I am thinking about what team has a good mix of forwards for that kind of setup... Damnit I really start another save! Cut it out!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker off the top of my head Monaco, Sporting, and Atalanta have the personnel to do this pretty well. I have never managed in the Prem, maybe I'll finally give it a go?
Love the Enganche role, although a possesion tactic is not my style, I really like all the movement that you create to open space for your star player, thats how he was able to shine with 2 assists. Btw the poacher is an excellent role and people use to underating, if you provides lots of ways to get him in score positions the poacher can easily get more than 0.50xG per game by himself with the addequate movement inteligence (off the ball, anticipation, composure, decision). You are definitely, the best content creator on FM for tactics, cant wait next video, as always you have my like button guaranted.
Thank you!! Your guy's support always means so much. And you can really see the issues the defenders were having with the two strikers. Also totally agree on the Poacher; there's something to be said for a role that has a singular mindset. Means your more roam-y players have more time and space, which in turn helps the Poacher
Ever since I stumbled upon your channel, I have been able to make better and more informed choices on my tactics/ formation choices and also able to recreate specifically the style that I love to play as. Thank you sir
I watched your “making a counter tactic” video and try to implement the thinking process in making a 4411. Won all 4 games at the start of the 3rd season with Bournemouth. Cant wait to watch this one, too. Thank you!
that's awesome!!! thank you for sharing. I love reading about the different success stories people have with their tactics. Keep me updated on how the possession one goes!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Sure! using the counter one, we won at Old Trafford 4-2. I mean, it's unreal given the the struggle we've had vs big teams. Already done a double against Everton as well. (@Goodison in the league and Carabao Cup at home).
Damn, I stumbled upon your channel and this is the first video i view and i have to say, that your explanation, the Examples and the whole video are top Quality. It's really refreshing to watch this kind of content. Great video!
Really enjoying your content. I’ve been playing for 2 years now and am still so new, especially on console there’s a lot of empty space in videos and articles. Your stuff is really simple and easy to understand, greatly appreciated. I know it has its haters but I love possession football, to see an intricate play of passes end in a goal is incredible.
I love a good possession tactic. When I was watching that highlight at the start of the 2nd half play out, I almost got goosebumps haha. That's why I love to approach the game this way; more difficult to get it right, but so rewarding when you do. By the way, how do my videos transfer to playing on console? Are there in portions that the console has but maybe the PC doesn't (or vice versa)?
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker PC version has so many options, mostly on squad screens and finance, etc. Your videos are great because they stick primarily to tactics, instructions and highlights. And your delivery is super simple and easy to digest. Cheers for the content sir!
I enjoyed this and learned a few things: thank you. I hope you don't mind me pointing out a couple of things: "enganche" is taken from Spanish, where it means "hook" or "connection"; you can see why it was used in football tactics in the AM slot; as it derives from Spanish, I think the last "e" is pronounced: EN-GAN-CHAY. Also, less is used with singular words e.g. less possession, less time on the ball, whereas fewer is used with plural words e.g. fewer goals, fewer turnovers. Once a teacher, always a teacher 🥸 All the best for your future output.
This is great thank you!! I wish FM had a pronunciation guide somewhere but this will have to do haha. And as more the syntax, I'm just a simple music major, so always appreciate the English lesson. Can't promise it won't happen again! (kinda like that double negative lol)
I remember watching it at the time and once it got to the midfield thinking, "man I hope something comes from this because it's exactly what I want" haha
Another great video. Some quality content. Really like how you break things down. I would love to see you do a video where you are a top team and need to break down weaker opposition who play defensively or cautiously with basically their whole team behind the ball.
I second this, I’m having trouble with my Fiorentina save. I beat the big teams because they come out and attack and leave gaps to exploit. The smaller teams are little tight turds 😂
The anchor finally returns 🌚 I noticed you don’t usually use the get stuck in instruction and opt for the press instead, though it has worked quite reliably (with the most yellows in the league). Great video as always and this one resonated the most so far in terms of similarity to how I set up my team!
I've done 3 Luton videos: the Anchor has featured in 2 of them (both wins), and we lost the one I didn't use it. I think we found the secret sauce. As I've played more FM, I love back-3 systems so much. Especially using wide center-backs.
After your defensive tactic video I got the idea to make a transitional tactic based on high pressing from players past the halfway line, and long balls to the flanks to try to force mistakes high up the field, with the rest defence playing a high line, but generally being there to protect space. I’m really surprised to see the possession stats for my strategy are always above or at 50%, but I’m struggling to create goals despite having lots of shots. As a bit of fun, I’ll have a go at making a possession tactic with your advice and see how things compare. Thanks again, and keep it up, these videos are awesome 🎉
I love that you're trying out how to make your own tactic! So awesome to hear (read? lol) and glad my videos have helped out. As for your goal scoring issue, it could be any number of things. kind of like in that defensive tactic video, my players were there, just didn't make the play. But it sounds like your tactic is working how you want, there may only need to be a few small tweaks to make to get your goal scoring up. In my Roaming Playmaker video, I had an issue where one of my midfielders was on the defend duty but he actually was doing more harm than good. Sometimes all it takes is a simple role change to unlock the rest of your team
Really like that. While i play FM every other year for a bit since 2019 im not completely incapable of managing a team but making my own tactics is still something i hardly ever achieve great results with. I realise that my brain just doesnt function in a way that helps me with that i guess lol. I really appreciate that kind of video where you show how to implement a philosphy basically. would like that for other playstyles as well, i might finally learn to make my own tactics work
Oh before i forget it: A video that shows the actual effect of OOP-Instructions would be great. they drastically changed over the years and currently im unsure about my def setup
that's been the goal with these types of videos. Showing a philosphy but able to adapt it to how you want to play. Hoping to make my way to more playstyles and ideas as we continue!
I don't tend to press Like for every single video, but you are currently the only TH-camr out of 113 channels I've subscribed to, that I've pressed Like for EVERY VIDEO! Seeing as you love the Player Role side of things on FM, I'd be interested to hear what NEW FM Player Roles you would like to see added on FM2025 - maybe as either a short video or even as a Short? Keep up the great work!
that's so amazing thank you!!! Maybe I will do something on player roles for FM25. I'm curious if they add in more player roles, or if they do something with player instructions/customizing current roles further.
Love the content! I would be interested in seeing you stream or a series of you just talking through the tactic and making adjustments throughout a season kind of like how you did in this video.
I've been thinking about how to approach some more content like this, where it's something like making a tactic and doing a complimentary video that shows the entire match (while still have this more condensed version).
LOVE the video as usual, fav creator on YT by FAR. Wish you had 100s of videos up already to play them all in loop. That said, not a super fan of the poacher, what about a pressing forward+advanced forward in front of the enganche? Hope i got roles names right, playing the game in italian makes it tricky sometimes lol Thanks and keep in UP!
Thank you for the kind words! And we'll get to the video count soon haha! And definitely a pressing forward would be great; especially since he'll close down the centerbacks without you necessarily needing to add more to your team's press. I've just been a fan of the Poacher recently so he's popped up in a few videos haha
I would love to see a video on opposition instructions and how to build a bespoke pressing trap in a 3 at the back setup. I have watched Bustthenut gaming's, managers seat's, the inverted fullback's and jarhead FM, and most use either a 4 3 3 or 4231. (Trequinho used a 4 2 2 2) I understand those provide good coverage to create traps but i am generally a 3 atb man and would love to see your take on creating traps in a 3 4 3 or 352 system. Thanks again for all your great videos!
You may like the tactic video coming up (not sure when the release is, but it won't be in the next couple I don't think). I haven't finished it yet, but I'm going to talk about how to press with half your team but not the other half, and how to use player roles for pressing. At least that's the plan right now.. but it uses a back-3 with Luton again so that may be up your alley! It doesn't have player opposition instructions in that one though, so I may have to do one of those specifically haha
I'm watching videos on topics I'm already very familiar with just because of how simplistic and grest your video are. Keep up the great work man ❤ Full Enganche video soon?
The Enganche video isn't imminent, but I may keep doing it with this Luton save to see if I can get some more production out of him. And thank you for the kind words!
Masterclass video. It will be nice if you do a video on "which tactic to choose with your team" i'm often lost with all the formation and tactical choice available.
Thank you! Out of curiosity, what kinds of things would you like to see in that kind of tactic video? I've been working on different video ideas like that and what would be helpful information to put in
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Each tactical video is very helpful on how to design it in itself. But personally my main problem is the choice of training and then tactics adapted to my squad. I am lost in the number of possibilities offered to us. Perhaps squad analysis videos and the resulting tactical conclusions would be useful. Or maybe even videos on training, their advantages, their cons, etc.
This is another first class video! I was very intrigued that you started the game with zero tactical instructions. I am a big believer in setting few tactical instructions (let the players play) but I've never done zero before. I'm going to give that a shot and then as you have, add instructions as the game develops.
Thank you!! And I'm the same, I don't really use a ton of instructions (I think this one had 5? and most were to do with possession). I will say for these videos in particular, I don't start with team instructions for the sake of showing them as I add them and their effect, not necessarily for a "tactical advantage". Since we did give up a goal in the first 6 minutes in this one haha. It is much easier to see your changes though when you start with zero TI. Once you add in a couple you can see the direct affect a couple of small changes can make
Thanks, this was exactly where I was looking for. I am 5 years into my Ajax save with the best team, but I was not really happy with how my possession tactic played out. Listening to you, I might have too many static roles with only 2 on attack (1 of them a DLF), with too little movement. Going to try to add some of that next time I play.
Oooo Ajax!!! Love them. How did Jorrel Hato turn out in your save??? Sometimes it's the movement of your other players that can really help, especially from deeper position. So if you use a back-3 formation, wide center-backs are awesome. If a back-4, inverted wingbacks and the libero can create some great movement.
Another great video I always had it in my head Positive mentality would make the players pass it forward rather than retain and recycle - I often wonder if anyone uses Very Defensive/ Very Attacking mentalities? also be great to see a Counter Attacking video!
The wording on positive mentality in the FM description had "patiently probe" (or something to that effect) so I figured it worked for possession haha. The very attacking one would be very interesting; especially if you made a super defensive formation but then very attacking mentality lol
Really nice one man, would love to see your take on a agressive pass and move style, not so focused on keeping the ball, but rather to confuse opponents with the fast pace. I'm brazilian, so obviously I'm thinking of the Jogo Bonito
I auto-like all your videos and I've never been let down. I love your content so much, excited to see how the channel will grow. Any chance of a save series for FM25? Would be super interesting to see how you approach an entire season.
Thank you for the channel support! Really happy you guys have found joy in watching the videos. As far as FM25, I'm definitely doing content for it but not quite sure what it will look like. I think I may take your idea and do a save series in addition to the usual ones. So similar to this Luton one, but going further and talking about all aspects (setting up scouting, training, etc...)
What I like to add in my 4-3-3 DM posession based tactic is to give the front 3 PI’s that tells them to shoot less often. I was having trouble with converting my many shots on target to goals and by making that adjustment I feel I got more actual goals.
Love the tips!! This is a great solution if you still want your team as a whole to keep their shooting threat, but limit certain players. Sometimes during a match, I'll have a DM shoot it 30 feet over the goal and then immediately tell him to shoot less often lol
yep! they would work together for sure. I'd probably do the DLP on defend, but that's not a neccessity or anything. The AP(A) can be switched too if you're trying to close out a match. A CM(A) is a good substitute if you want a more industrious midfielder
Great video as always 😊 I have to notes: 1. Doesn't mentality only changes scope of the sliders in team instruction? It is perfectly fine to leave mentality on standard if team instructions are well chosen. In fact changing mentality should be reserved for specific situations. It is always good to start game on standard and if any change is needed, only change specific team instruction. 2. It would be nice to add a reminder that possesion is nice, but football is a game of space, not possesion. When one build succesfull possesion tactic, next challenge will be to penetrate space, 'couse other ai teams will adapt to your style. Close channels, tighter formations etc. 70% possesion, 0,6 xg. Maybe idea for next video? 😊
You could totally be right on the team instructions! I focused on the positive mentality's "patiently probe" wording and figured that works for possession haha. But the mentality definitely changes the slider settings; I can't remember off the top of my head, but going from "balanced" to "attacking" raises your tempo (or something to that effect). And you're preaching to the choir about space! I've got something working about space and creating it (focusing on player roles and formations, not really team instructions) Thank you for the notes by the way! Also glad to read feedback on stuff I may be wrong about, or worse, say something confusing in a video!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I am eagerly waiting for "space video"! There is always sth to learn in this department :) Note from me (slightly related to possession video). I notice, that when coaching much stronger team with dedicated possesion-gegen press tactis, there gonna happen matches when my team out-of-the-blue has only around 40% possesion. What happen is that opposition keep recycling ball between defenders and loses the ball near mid-line. Gegen press works - we won possesion early, but there is no space to create chances 'couse when opposition losses ball, there are still minimum 8 players to defend. I counter this with lowering engegement line. I let more opposition players to come higher. But of course, I would love to hear if there is any better solution to this problem. I personaly believe this is the way, that SI try to fight gegen press meta ;) Once again, love your video. I love not only content, but graphics and presenting examples with weaker teams. :)
My goodness this channel is so refreshing. Finally content for those who really play the game instead of simulating. Please go on, any help you might need just ask. Small note: you can have just two players in the center field if you use a libero on defense. Unfortunately, libero and trequartista are the most demanding roles in term of attributes
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker it's funny because Libero is the return of such an old concept from the italian football 40 years ago... Guardiola learned a lot in those few years in Italy ahahahahah
@@VurtAddicted I am gonna agrue that Libero on Defence is not that demanding. Libero D will not try risky passes. Behave like DM (D). If there is need for a additional player in midfiled just to retain possesion, and your fullbacks are to rubbish to act as IWB (d), any defender with passing, first touch and technique not lower then 10 will be ok. Just use IFB for cover. But that's only my opinion ;) Libero on support is completly another story. This need to be world class player similar to TQ as you said :)
@@lukaszprotas a discussion that would require a Reddit lol... I use Libero with IFB on one side and a defensive man on cover on the other. I use him on support if I am expected to dominate, defense if I am not. At least two of the three defenders must be very fast to avoid counters. Probably a sweeper keeper helps, but I had terrible experiences, so I don't trust the role. But generally I agree: libero on d is a DM with jumping reach and either speed or surrounded by fast players. Libero on S is world class or nothing.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I’ll give ideas in the context of a 442 and you can tailor accordingly, but these are some of the things I ask myself: What are the styles of counter attacking and what key attributes would I need in my team to facilitate that? Ex: if I want a high press option I aim for faster more aggressive players, if I want to soak up pressure I get players with good mentals, have big tall cbs with a Gk like mamardashvili who dominates our box etc. Additionally, how can I tweak the tactics (roles, duties, PIs, OIs etc) to match each of those defensive styles. Same applies for offensive styles I love on your videos how you watch the match and explain rationale for various tweaks as needed, I think always keeping that portion in your tactics videos is key -when to use a high intensity press, vs compact mid/low block (sometimes I intentionally set a low passive block just to maximize the space behind them for the most direct of counter attacks, sometimes I feel forced to set a high press because I can’t beat them in the box, sometimes I also set a lot because they’ve proven they can beat me with long balls over the top) In a low/mid block, How do I find the balance between max width for max space and more direct passing to take advantage of favorable matchups (let’s say my lw on their rb or any of my strikers on their cbs) or having a more narrow width to be more compact defensively with shorter passing. Does trapping outside to be more compact in the middle allow me to get away with max width in a mid/low block for max counter pressure via 1v1s, or do I need to make compromises and be more tight when facing a better opponent lest he tear me up otherwise? Walking through the different outlet options (through ball, carry into space, target man etc) with examples of tactical changes to induce those would be great. How do I find the balance between a sufficient rest defense and being enough of a threat offensively? I could have overlapping fbs to provide a second wave crossing threat, but then am I overexposed at the back? Biggest of all for me selfishly speaking, is how do you tailor a counter attacking style for when you are the better team? It’s always been more of an underdog style, can you show us the way to keep that style even after we’ve started getting bigger stars, instead of moving to the more traditional possession + gegenpress style? I look at teams like Liverpool and Newcastle who started out as that high paced counter attacking style, both of whom have also adopted more of a slow and controlled style in recent years when they were the better team.. is that really what it comes down to? Better team controls and worse team relies on counter? I don’t think so since real had periods of a heavy counter style, but how do we translate all those things into in game.
@@Flexium_GG These are fantastic tips thanks!! I'll see if I can do something on this stuff specifically. In the mean time, some of the pressing stuff shows up in future videos in the near(ish) future. Stuff like how to make half your team press but not the other half, how player roles can influence your defense, stuff like that. May not be the exact thing, but could help further deduce. And I'll try to work on something that answers questions like that. But seriously thanks! That was really helpful
@@piersonjamesa hey, if @TheDeepLyingPlaymaker was ever dpwm for that, then I would for sure! Would also love him on the podcast - this channel deserves to be known
Interesting idea. Have a poacher to have him get one defender off the Enganche. My AM is a bit lacking in the physicals (Mario Götze), so I tried to play him as an Enganche.
It reminds me of the problem I had with the Roaming Playmaker. Sometimes the best tactical solution is to just tell your other plays to get out of the way
my mandatory TIs when I play a possesion tactic are short passing, dribble less, prevent short, counter press,higher defensive line and distribute to CBs
Hey love your video keep it up! Anw what about the width in possesion tactic where if u go narrow theres no crosses right? But if u go standard then the turnover is higher
Great video, my one issue is you’re not correct on the mentality aspect. With a balanced mentality, your team will have a more cautious approach than on positive, meaning that pass you highlighted is typically much less likely to happen. If you wanted creative passing but players to follow their roles more accurately, I’d advise a positive mentality but more disciplined on creative freedom. This would make your anchor focus purely on recycling possession whilst also making every other player follow their instructions more closely
Perhaps he mistakenly used a balanced mentality anchor pass video clip in a positive context, and vice versa, while creating this long video. Video clips can sometimes be misplaced during editing. He was clearly aware that a player's mentality adapts to their role within a changing tactical mentality. For example, an anchor in a balanced tactical setup has a defensive but cautious role mentality, whereas in a positive one, their role mentality differs.
I tried a possession tactic for half a season after buying FM24. My team was head and shoulders above every other team in the game when it came to controlling the game. It however came at some costs. My players had difficulties scoring goals and gave away cheap goals to the opponents. I decided to switch to a 4-3-3 gegenpress and haven't looked back since with my team scoring 120+ league goals the season after.
Good video! I've a slight correction though, 4-4-2 can create 3 man midfield setup, utilizing Wide Playmaker or Wide Midfielder, but the roles available to make 3 man midfield are so limited that it's just better to start with 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-1-2, etc. I have a possession tactic using 4-4-2 that defend as 4-4-2, build up as 3-5-2, and final third as 3-1-6/3-2-5. If you are interested in the roles I can write it down
Hi DLP! Thanks for the quality of your work! Just wondering, which highlight you choose while you're in the middle of the match? you choose full match to see how your team execute the tactics or choose between the comprehensive, extended, key highlights?
You're welcome! For these tactic videos in particular I watch the entire match. It takes about 30~ minutes to play through the entire thing. I think comprehensive and extended are good too once you get your team set up! Shows you enough of the match while still getting through them in a decent time
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker thanks for the insight! Been choosing the comprehensive one for a couple of days and seems fine to me while taking a look at how my players execute the tactic. Anyway can't wait for another amazing video of yours. Cheers!
Can you do how to beat a possesion tactic? Everytime I play against a team playing control possession it's so difficult to defeat them I'm not the best tactician in the game in terms of outsmarting opponents btw 😅 That's why I use videos like these for help
I myself came up with a very similar tactic. identical formation but different roles. (3 central denfenders, 2 advanced wing backs, 2 midfilds, 1 offensive midfield and 2 strickers) instead of advanced wing backs I use inverted wingers and instead of defensive midfielders two box to box. the rest remains the same. this means that in attack I have 4 players occupying the back of the enemy formation, the fifth playmaker standing between them and the inverted wingers, who go to the center. At the back there are three central defenders protecting against counterattacks. You can put the central defender as libero then he will stand equal to the inverted wingers for total domination of the center of the field, but I do not recommend it because 2 defenders are not enough. In the defense i have solid 5 people, nothing can move pass them unles the player has just much better stats. And the box to box come soon after to help making it 7 people on defense. In the Spanish league, playing with a weaker team I was able to draw and win with Barcelona, and they did not score a single goal.
I'm watching a Burnley documentary at the moment, I need a pub named after me like Sean Dyche and The Royal Dyche!!!! hahaha. Name it the 442 or something 🤣🤣🤣
Thx you for these great videos. I would like to hear what your take are on tactic familiarity? When you changes the tactic so often, does that not affect your tactic familiarity?
It does affect it! But I find that sometimes the benefit of changing your system completely outweighs the downsides; so in this video for example, we went to a complete different system than the players were used but it was much more important to change and try to stop our losing streak. I will say, is that the team familiarity in the dynamics is much more impactful when I watch matches. I forget what the actual name is off the top of my head, but it's in the team dynamics section of your squad view, and if you have a poor rating (like we do at Luton), your players positioning, vision, and overall play will be affected. In my experience, I've found that has been a much bigger issue
Truly loved the video once again. Just out of interest though why the enganche over an advanced playmaker at no10? Did you not want the no10 to roam or was it something else
I might be wrong but I think trying to express something yourself helps to verify what you really understand. So please view my answer as a challenge and correct me if my thoughts are wrong. So naturally there is an individual factor regarding the player role. It might be that Barkley isn't a great dynamic player. However, let us abstract from the player and just argue about the role within the tactical system. I think for a possession based system it is important to have a static axis around which the rest of the team can roam. It gives you some form of base to fall back to. Of course roaming players purposely try to offer passing options, but at the cost that they aren't immediately available for the pass. If everyone was roaming there could be situations in which suddenly no one is available. Take for example the situation at 8:24. If Barkley had tried to move (for example forward with the defender), the wing back wouldn't have had a passing option. Now, the shown system already has other players to fall back to, namely CB and anchor. However, both of them aren't great playmakers and are there to build a base for the rest defense. So there is a need for a strong base in the last third. This is what the Enganche is suited for (it accentuates the classical role of the 10). If the system was different and you have for example a playmaker in the CM or DM position, a more roaming attacking midfielder would probably be better.
Really glad you liked the video! And @t3ss33 pretty much has the idea. I mentioned in the video how I liked using the Poacher role because he's always going to be on that front line pressuring the defense. Well using the Enganche is a similar idea. He's always going to be in that attacking midfield area; you could see it in that highlight from the 71st minute, just kinda hanging out in that spot. The player roles and team moves around him, and this will move the defenders. The problem (for the defense), is that the Enganche is a playmaker, so if they leave him, which happened a few times in the match, he can make them pay by creating a scoring chance. Some other AM player roles probably could've done a similar job (like the advanced playmaker), but I like the role's playmaking abilities and like you say the fact he won't roam too much.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker cool cool I have been playing FM for a lot but for tactics I m very dumb I usually just watch yt for tactics until I find something that works but I always wanted to be able to make it myself depending on what I have in club,your videos about postions were awsome start
Realy enjoying your content, if possible, can you share the double pivot and double attacking mid role in alonso leverkusen system during last season?is it possible to replicate it in FM?
When you hide your CAM i was sure it must be enganche 😀. Anyway hold possesion is so hard to use in new FM diference between counter is too big. Same situation with regroup and counterpressing. I play in FM since fm 19 and never met good regroup tactic.
Some of the time with those instructions, I find that leaving them empty (like in this one) can still produce the results you want without swinging it too far one way or the other
I've been thinking about doing videos on instructions proper, but in the mean time you may be interested in the next role video coming out! It'll go into that for it's own section
I've noticed the AI makes really good possesion tactics when they play 5 at the back. I guess the midfield being so close to your back line does the trick.
The wide center-backs have a lot of helpful movement as you retain possession. Get's in those wider areas and half space and can be great for overlaps/underlaps
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I've tried playing more direct with a 3 4 1 2 with CMs, but typically my wcb's miss like 12 passes per game if they're on anything but defend which is a shame. But they also play inch perfect passes in behind for my wing back sometimes lol. FM is like a box of chocolates.
whats your thoughts on attacking width for a possession based tactic? Do you agree being more narrow helps a team playing shorter passes as team mates are closer to each other?
Definitely narrow could work. Sometimes when I use the TI it feels almost like they're too narrow lol. That could be one where you ride that TI and tempo during a match and adjust whether the opponent is closing you down more or not
Nice, I'm looking to play a formation that isn't necessarily possession based. I'll be taking advantage of the positive mentality rather than asking my players to pass it shorter. Also, if I asked my team to pass shorter and tweaked a player instruction to pass more directly cos of d players trait: switches ball to other flank, does the player instruction override team instructions?
Yep, the player instruction will override the team instruction. And I really like the positive mentality; good way to get across the possession idea without using a ton of team instructions
i’m always so scared to leave the balance mentality - because of the player’s individual mentalities - i’m scared of players having a very attacking mentality what do you think?
That's fair; it gives you more control over their attacking with the player roles. I do believe that a mentality will gives you some extra benefits that are hard to replicate just with player roles; sometimes you'll see better possession using the positive compared with attacking, for example. But using balanced mentality can be good too, since it gives your players more freedom. In short, you don't have to leave the balanced mentality! It's a good mentality for a ton of situations
My wingers do that sometimes too. I find that using a role like the Carrilero (or wide center-back) can help him, because those roles will drift wide to proivde support. This can give the Winger an outlet so he's not by himself
Hey coach, loving the analysis and your nod to Cruyff's wisdom! Attack as the best defense, amen to that! Just checked out your tactics around the 11:19 mark. Here's my take: ⬆Attack adjustments: FCR - Morris: Consider switching to a Pressing Forward on Attack for more aggression. AMC - Barkley: Due to defensive demands, Enganche might not suit a pressing system. Try him as an Attacking Midfielder on support with holding the ball to control play. FCL - Brown: A poacher pairs well with an enganche in direct passing setups. For possession-based play, consider a Deep-Lying Forward or Complete Forward on Support, though I understand if Luton lacks that depth. Maybe a position and role to recruit a quality player for in the future to switch your system to dictate play in the future. Make sure he has good passing, vision & dribbling with higher decision-making and technique and flair. But you know the drill 😜 ➡Midfield adjustments: Nakamba: If pressing, switch him to Defensive Midfielder on Support for better play control. Volante might not fit well here; as Ogbene seems strong as a Wingback on Attack for width. Consider Ball-Winning Midfielder on Support for defensive balance. ⬇Defense adjustments: Left Wingback - Bell: Change to Wingback on support to support the attack without a deep lying forward. Central defenders: Potts (Wide Centre-back Defend), Anderson (Central Defender Cover), Mengi (Wide Centre-back Defend) could enhance defensive solidity. Then considering your striker quality and away play, hat off for the result you got here. All my adjustment proposals are not needed you got the three points 😅 But maybe you can take some pointers from it, and try it out. Would say keep tweaking based on match feedback! One of your many fans keep up the great work👋
I love these thank you!! I'll definitely try to see if I can work these into the next-next video (the upcoming tactic video's match is already done... as a hint, it's nothing like this one lol). But I think this system (343, more possession) is how I'll play going forward in the future. I loved the ball movement, so I'll try out your suggestions to see if I can further improve the tactic. For the strikers with Luton, I've found that they either need to be in the Advanced Forward/Poacher vein (like we saw in this one but I have some stuff using them as Pressing Forwards.) Or I've used Adebayo as a Target Forward like in the other videos. He doesn't really have the playmaking attributes I'd want for a DLF; but I think you're right I'd love to recruit a new DLF to implement in the tactic.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker yes my guess is you need a poacher advanced forward because of the structured approach, you can go fluid with a deep lying forward, but as Luton you just lack quality to pull it off
So a team instruction I have a hard time grasping is “run at defense”. I try to use it at times to get highlights like R9 or Ronaldhino etc dribbling around and thru their defenders but they all just seem to get pocketed easily. Any guidance for this, Guru DLP?
How I've used "run at defense" in the past is if I want my team to counter, but not just hoof it up the field. So "run at defense" will tell them to dribble up the field, and along with a higher tempo, create a counter attack that way. (not that that's the only way to use it, but that's how I've generally used it) Are you trying to get a specific player to create those plays? Or more of a tactical style where multiple players can do it? And what kind of player roles do you like to use? Hoping to get an idea of how you like to play, and then we can go from there!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Usually if I'm trying to generate some ankle breaking tackles I'm using wingers and a striker role like an AF/CF or a Treq. As far as style goes, kinda just want to see wingers behave like classic wingers, you know? take their defender on by attempting to dribble past him.
@@TheTraaaaaaa try playing around with the team mentality, Run at defense has center mids take players on more, from the winger base player instructions he has dribble more, with the explanation as follows: "Dribble more encourages players to be more individualistic and seek to make gains by dribbling their way past opponents, rather than passing their way towards goal" So think of "dribble more" (PI) and "Run at defense (TI) in your tactic as telling your other players besides your wingers to take their opponent on, rather than passing. I like it when your players are either quick and better at dribbling than passing, or you want to win free kicks and slow the game down if you succeed, it is risky if they are shoved off the ball however. If your want your winger to take on players and either try tricks or beat their man repeatedly, consider teaching them those player traits under the training menu for the player. for what its worth, i think that unless you can isolate them 1v1 against a fullback or better a cm, then usually they just get tackled in the match engine.
Yea for the purpose of the video I added them in to show their difference. I don't play with a ton of instructions anyway, but this video I wanted to start the match fresh than add them in
Just lost to a 10-man Leipzig at home as Arsenal, they had red card since 38th minute and I managed only 45% possession the whole game. I really don't know what am I doing wrong. I was playing shorter passes, lower tempo, but that just give them time to press the shit out of me. And when their players have the ball mine are no where near them, they all have time to turn around and create chances. It's seems like if you are not using Gegenpress 100% of the time this game refuses to work. Sooo frustrating.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Yeah, it seems like it. I managed to turn my season around. After being 10 pts from the top in November I managed to climb and finish just 3 pts behind Liverpool with 19 matches unbeaten run. I increased my overall possession and control of the game but I really had trouble breaking teams down, a lot of those games ended up with me winning just 1-0, expecially against "smaller teams". Also new tactic that I set up helped me to lift Champions League trophy against Barcelona (revenge for Parsi 2006). I'll have to find a way how to break opponents more regularly in a new season. Your videos are great btw. really like watching/listening them on TV while playing FM.
I like to use pass into space with a more direct style or high tempo, since the pass will go up the field into space for a player to run on to. But that's not to say it wouldn't work with a possession tactic, but generally if I use it it's with a direct and/or high tempo
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I've been using it with my own possession tactics and it's is more risky but when it pays off I rip teams apart so it's good and bad
Yes, the Libero counts if you consider positional play. However, if you're playing a 4-3-3 with libero, then you'll have 3 midfielders and extra assistance from the Libero (making that 4).
Yep I would consider him another midfielder; the inverted wingback too if you're feeling ambitious. I would say sometimes those roles (someone who's not a midfielder but moves into the midfield) may affect possession since it's not their starting position, but the idea is still the same. But like the others have mentioned, if you're using the Libero in a formation that already has 3 midfielders (ex: a 4231), than that can be an awesome way to build possession
I toss my notepad away and walk in here like a kid that hasn't played football manager before. Love your videos, Sir. The Luton one taught me a lesson. "Sometimes the bigger team is the bigger team, and it's okay to sit back and defend."
that's awesome!! Love that; really glad these help out. My main message for these Luton videos: it's okay to lose. Put your team in the best position to win and hope for the best... and resist the urge to throw your computer out the window when your team gives up a goal in the 90th minute lol
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thank you so much!!!
See, this is what I love about your channel - I would never think of using a P-AF-EG attacking trident, especially not for a possession system. And yet here I am thinking about what team has a good mix of forwards for that kind of setup... Damnit I really start another save! Cut it out!
Start a new save ? Nah add this as the 3rd tactics and start practicing with the reserves or U-team :) good luck
Hey check out Luton for a new save hahaha. But seriously if you find a team with a good setup like this, let me know!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker off the top of my head Monaco, Sporting, and Atalanta have the personnel to do this pretty well.
I have never managed in the Prem, maybe I'll finally give it a go?
Love the Enganche role, although a possesion tactic is not my style, I really like all the movement that you create to open space for your star player, thats how he was able to shine with 2 assists.
Btw the poacher is an excellent role and people use to underating, if you provides lots of ways to get him in score positions the poacher can easily get more than 0.50xG per game by himself with the addequate movement inteligence (off the ball, anticipation, composure, decision).
You are definitely, the best content creator on FM for tactics, cant wait next video, as always you have my like button guaranted.
Thank you!! Your guy's support always means so much. And you can really see the issues the defenders were having with the two strikers. Also totally agree on the Poacher; there's something to be said for a role that has a singular mindset. Means your more roam-y players have more time and space, which in turn helps the Poacher
Ever since I stumbled upon your channel, I have been able to make better and more informed choices on my tactics/ formation choices and also able to recreate specifically the style that I love to play as. Thank you sir
This is so awesome to read!! Glad the videos have been able to help out; that's always been the goal of the channel
Just found your videos and you explain everything so well and in depth, I actually think I’m understanding it better now 😂👍🏻
This channel is so good, definitely gonna blow up if the output and quality remain 👍 Nice job mate ⚽
Thank you my friend!!
I watched your “making a counter tactic” video and try to implement the thinking process in making a 4411. Won all 4 games at the start of the 3rd season with Bournemouth. Cant wait to watch this one, too. Thank you!
that's awesome!!! thank you for sharing. I love reading about the different success stories people have with their tactics. Keep me updated on how the possession one goes!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Sure! using the counter one, we won at Old Trafford 4-2. I mean, it's unreal given the the struggle we've had vs big teams. Already done a double against Everton as well. (@Goodison in the league and Carabao Cup at home).
Got Great Inspiration from this video. Thanks!!
Glad the video was able to help out! :)
Damn, I stumbled upon your channel and this is the first video i view and i have to say, that your explanation, the Examples and the whole video are top Quality. It's really refreshing to watch this kind of content. Great video!
Really means a lot that you would take the time to comment! Thank you for the support and glad that you enjoyed the video
So happy to have found your videos, subbed and looking forward to watching everything. Keep it up, it's excellent work.
Thank you!! Means a lot that you'd support the channel
Love the fact you did this with the same team as the defensive/simple tactic. Just shows the many ways to have success in game
And how you can switch up formations midseason and have success; don't need to keep trying the same formation if it ain't workin!!
After all this time i had no idea of what difference between balance and positive mentality. Thank you for explaining it to us!
Glad it was helpful!
Really enjoying your content. I’ve been playing for 2 years now and am still so new, especially on console there’s a lot of empty space in videos and articles. Your stuff is really simple and easy to understand, greatly appreciated. I know it has its haters but I love possession football, to see an intricate play of passes end in a goal is incredible.
I love a good possession tactic. When I was watching that highlight at the start of the 2nd half play out, I almost got goosebumps haha. That's why I love to approach the game this way; more difficult to get it right, but so rewarding when you do.
By the way, how do my videos transfer to playing on console? Are there in portions that the console has but maybe the PC doesn't (or vice versa)?
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker PC version has so many options, mostly on squad screens and finance, etc. Your videos are great because they stick primarily to tactics, instructions and highlights. And your delivery is super simple and easy to digest. Cheers for the content sir!
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I enjoyed this and learned a few things: thank you.
I hope you don't mind me pointing out a couple of things: "enganche" is taken from Spanish, where it means "hook" or "connection"; you can see why it was used in football tactics in the AM slot; as it derives from Spanish, I think the last "e" is pronounced: EN-GAN-CHAY.
Also, less is used with singular words e.g. less possession, less time on the ball, whereas fewer is used with plural words e.g. fewer goals, fewer turnovers.
Once a teacher, always a teacher 🥸
All the best for your future output.
This is great thank you!! I wish FM had a pronunciation guide somewhere but this will have to do haha.
And as more the syntax, I'm just a simple music major, so always appreciate the English lesson. Can't promise it won't happen again! (kinda like that double negative lol)
Love your content! We need this kind of channel 👏
thank you!! Appreciate the support
Your second goal was a joy to watch.
I remember watching it at the time and once it got to the midfield thinking, "man I hope something comes from this because it's exactly what I want" haha
Another great video. Some quality content. Really like how you break things down. I would love to see you do a video where you are a top team and need to break down weaker opposition who play defensively or cautiously with basically their whole team behind the ball.
I second this, I’m having trouble with my Fiorentina save. I beat the big teams because they come out and attack and leave gaps to exploit. The smaller teams are little tight turds 😂
Have you tried playing with wider width, lower tempo and overlaps?
@@bosqueSP I have. This is often what I have to swap to if they sit really deep with all the players behind the ball
You have the smoothest voice on the internet. Great video as well
ha thanks! Back in high school, I was teased because I had a high, squeaky voice till my senior year. So I paid my dues I guess haha
The anchor finally returns 🌚
I noticed you don’t usually use the get stuck in instruction and opt for the press instead, though it has worked quite reliably (with the most yellows in the league). Great video as always and this one resonated the most so far in terms of similarity to how I set up my team!
I've done 3 Luton videos: the Anchor has featured in 2 of them (both wins), and we lost the one I didn't use it. I think we found the secret sauce.
As I've played more FM, I love back-3 systems so much. Especially using wide center-backs.
After your defensive tactic video I got the idea to make a transitional tactic based on high pressing from players past the halfway line, and long balls to the flanks to try to force mistakes high up the field, with the rest defence playing a high line, but generally being there to protect space. I’m really surprised to see the possession stats for my strategy are always above or at 50%, but I’m struggling to create goals despite having lots of shots. As a bit of fun, I’ll have a go at making a possession tactic with your advice and see how things compare. Thanks again, and keep it up, these videos are awesome 🎉
I love that you're trying out how to make your own tactic! So awesome to hear (read? lol) and glad my videos have helped out. As for your goal scoring issue, it could be any number of things. kind of like in that defensive tactic video, my players were there, just didn't make the play. But it sounds like your tactic is working how you want, there may only need to be a few small tweaks to make to get your goal scoring up.
In my Roaming Playmaker video, I had an issue where one of my midfielders was on the defend duty but he actually was doing more harm than good. Sometimes all it takes is a simple role change to unlock the rest of your team
Really like that. While i play FM every other year for a bit since 2019 im not completely incapable of managing a team but making my own tactics is still something i hardly ever achieve great results with. I realise that my brain just doesnt function in a way that helps me with that i guess lol. I really appreciate that kind of video where you show how to implement a philosphy basically. would like that for other playstyles as well, i might finally learn to make my own tactics work
Oh before i forget it: A video that shows the actual effect of OOP-Instructions would be great. they drastically changed over the years and currently im unsure about my def setup
that's been the goal with these types of videos. Showing a philosphy but able to adapt it to how you want to play. Hoping to make my way to more playstyles and ideas as we continue!
This is great suggestion! Sometimes I only show maybe one example in these, so a video dedicated to them would probably be really cool
I don't tend to press Like for every single video, but you are currently the only TH-camr out of 113 channels I've subscribed to, that I've pressed Like for EVERY VIDEO!
Seeing as you love the Player Role side of things on FM, I'd be interested to hear what NEW FM Player Roles you would like to see added on FM2025 - maybe as either a short video or even as a Short?
Keep up the great work!
that's so amazing thank you!!!
Maybe I will do something on player roles for FM25. I'm curious if they add in more player roles, or if they do something with player instructions/customizing current roles further.
Love the content! I would be interested in seeing you stream or a series of you just talking through the tactic and making adjustments throughout a season kind of like how you did in this video.
I've been thinking about how to approach some more content like this, where it's something like making a tactic and doing a complimentary video that shows the entire match (while still have this more condensed version).
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I'm sure whatever you do it'll turn out great! Looking forward to the next one.
Great video as always. Huge fan of the tactic used in this video
thank you! I love a good back-3 system, especially with wide center-backs
LOVE the video as usual, fav creator on YT by FAR. Wish you had 100s of videos up already to play them all in loop.
That said, not a super fan of the poacher, what about a pressing forward+advanced forward in front of the enganche?
Hope i got roles names right, playing the game in italian makes it tricky sometimes lol
Thanks and keep in UP!
Thank you for the kind words! And we'll get to the video count soon haha! And definitely a pressing forward would be great; especially since he'll close down the centerbacks without you necessarily needing to add more to your team's press. I've just been a fan of the Poacher recently so he's popped up in a few videos haha
I would love to see a video on opposition instructions and how to build a bespoke pressing trap in a 3 at the back setup. I have watched Bustthenut gaming's, managers seat's, the inverted fullback's and jarhead FM, and most use either a 4 3 3 or 4231. (Trequinho used a 4 2 2 2) I understand those provide good coverage to create traps but i am generally a 3 atb man and would love to see your take on creating traps in a 3 4 3 or 352 system.
Thanks again for all your great videos!
You may like the tactic video coming up (not sure when the release is, but it won't be in the next couple I don't think). I haven't finished it yet, but I'm going to talk about how to press with half your team but not the other half, and how to use player roles for pressing. At least that's the plan right now.. but it uses a back-3 with Luton again so that may be up your alley!
It doesn't have player opposition instructions in that one though, so I may have to do one of those specifically haha
I'm watching videos on topics I'm already very familiar with just because of how simplistic and grest your video are.
Keep up the great work man ❤
Full Enganche video soon?
The Enganche video isn't imminent, but I may keep doing it with this Luton save to see if I can get some more production out of him. And thank you for the kind words!
Masterclass video. It will be nice if you do a video on "which tactic to choose with your team" i'm often lost with all the formation and tactical choice available.
Thank you! Out of curiosity, what kinds of things would you like to see in that kind of tactic video? I've been working on different video ideas like that and what would be helpful information to put in
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Each tactical video is very helpful on how to design it in itself.
But personally my main problem is the choice of training and then tactics adapted to my squad. I am lost in the number of possibilities offered to us.
Perhaps squad analysis videos and the resulting tactical conclusions would be useful. Or maybe even videos on training, their advantages, their cons, etc.
This is another first class video! I was very intrigued that you started the game with zero tactical instructions. I am a big believer in setting few tactical instructions (let the players play) but I've never done zero before. I'm going to give that a shot and then as you have, add instructions as the game develops.
Thank you!! And I'm the same, I don't really use a ton of instructions (I think this one had 5? and most were to do with possession). I will say for these videos in particular, I don't start with team instructions for the sake of showing them as I add them and their effect, not necessarily for a "tactical advantage". Since we did give up a goal in the first 6 minutes in this one haha.
It is much easier to see your changes though when you start with zero TI. Once you add in a couple you can see the direct affect a couple of small changes can make
Thanks, this was exactly where I was looking for. I am 5 years into my Ajax save with the best team, but I was not really happy with how my possession tactic played out. Listening to you, I might have too many static roles with only 2 on attack (1 of them a DLF), with too little movement. Going to try to add some of that next time I play.
Oooo Ajax!!! Love them. How did Jorrel Hato turn out in your save??? Sometimes it's the movement of your other players that can really help, especially from deeper position. So if you use a back-3 formation, wide center-backs are awesome. If a back-4, inverted wingbacks and the libero can create some great movement.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymakerthanks, will try some of those. Sold Hato by the way, he was not that great 😂. Replaced him with an insane dutch regen.
Another great video I always had it in my head Positive mentality would make the players pass it forward rather than retain and recycle - I often wonder if anyone uses Very Defensive/ Very Attacking mentalities? also be great to see a Counter Attacking video!
The wording on positive mentality in the FM description had "patiently probe" (or something to that effect) so I figured it worked for possession haha. The very attacking one would be very interesting; especially if you made a super defensive formation but then very attacking mentality lol
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Thank you!!
Really nice one man, would love to see your take on a agressive pass and move style, not so focused on keeping the ball, but rather to confuse opponents with the fast pace. I'm brazilian, so obviously I'm thinking of the Jogo Bonito
I really do need to do something like that. Not "this is possession or defensive" but instead "this is beautiful to watch"
I auto-like all your videos and I've never been let down. I love your content so much, excited to see how the channel will grow. Any chance of a save series for FM25? Would be super interesting to see how you approach an entire season.
Thank you for the channel support! Really happy you guys have found joy in watching the videos.
As far as FM25, I'm definitely doing content for it but not quite sure what it will look like. I think I may take your idea and do a save series in addition to the usual ones. So similar to this Luton one, but going further and talking about all aspects (setting up scouting, training, etc...)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker that sounds great!
What I like to add in my 4-3-3 DM posession based tactic is to give the front 3 PI’s that tells them to shoot less often. I was having trouble with converting my many shots on target to goals and by making that adjustment I feel I got more actual goals.
Love the tips!! This is a great solution if you still want your team as a whole to keep their shooting threat, but limit certain players. Sometimes during a match, I'll have a DM shoot it 30 feet over the goal and then immediately tell him to shoot less often lol
This is very beautiful video. I liked it a lot
Thank you very much!
Love the in-depth analysis 👌. I wonder if a 433 with a DLP(S) , CAR(S), and AP(A) works ?
yep! they would work together for sure. I'd probably do the DLP on defend, but that's not a neccessity or anything. The AP(A) can be switched too if you're trying to close out a match. A CM(A) is a good substitute if you want a more industrious midfielder
Great content, thanks.
My pleasure!
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Finally! create a tactic seriesss
this helped a lot thanks
No problem!
Great video as always, would love to see a direct counter attack style tactic, it's the one I can't get right.
I've messed around with doing a counter one before, but I think I need to do one proper!
Sounds good to me mate 😁
Great video as always 😊 I have to notes:
1. Doesn't mentality only changes scope of the sliders in team instruction? It is perfectly fine to leave mentality on standard if team instructions are well chosen. In fact changing mentality should be reserved for specific situations. It is always good to start game on standard and if any change is needed, only change specific team instruction.
2. It would be nice to add a reminder that possesion is nice, but football is a game of space, not possesion. When one build succesfull possesion tactic, next challenge will be to penetrate space, 'couse other ai teams will adapt to your style. Close channels, tighter formations etc. 70% possesion, 0,6 xg. Maybe idea for next video? 😊
You could totally be right on the team instructions! I focused on the positive mentality's "patiently probe" wording and figured that works for possession haha. But the mentality definitely changes the slider settings; I can't remember off the top of my head, but going from "balanced" to "attacking" raises your tempo (or something to that effect).
And you're preaching to the choir about space! I've got something working about space and creating it (focusing on player roles and formations, not really team instructions)
Thank you for the notes by the way! Also glad to read feedback on stuff I may be wrong about, or worse, say something confusing in a video!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I am eagerly waiting for "space video"! There is always sth to learn in this department :)
Note from me (slightly related to possession video). I notice, that when coaching much stronger team with dedicated possesion-gegen press tactis, there gonna happen matches when my team out-of-the-blue has only around 40% possesion. What happen is that opposition keep recycling ball between defenders and loses the ball near mid-line. Gegen press works - we won possesion early, but there is no space to create chances 'couse when opposition losses ball, there are still minimum 8 players to defend. I counter this with lowering engegement line. I let more opposition players to come higher. But of course, I would love to hear if there is any better solution to this problem. I personaly believe this is the way, that SI try to fight gegen press meta ;)
Once again, love your video. I love not only content, but graphics and presenting examples with weaker teams. :)
My goodness this channel is so refreshing. Finally content for those who really play the game instead of simulating. Please go on, any help you might need just ask. Small note: you can have just two players in the center field if you use a libero on defense. Unfortunately, libero and trequartista are the most demanding roles in term of attributes
Oh good call; Libero would be great in this. Maybe I can fulfill my destiny of a 442 manager but use a Libero if I make a sequel to this video haha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker it's funny because Libero is the return of such an old concept from the italian football 40 years ago... Guardiola learned a lot in those few years in Italy ahahahahah
@@VurtAddicted I am gonna agrue that Libero on Defence is not that demanding. Libero D will not try risky passes. Behave like DM (D). If there is need for a additional player in midfiled just to retain possesion, and your fullbacks are to rubbish to act as IWB (d), any defender with passing, first touch and technique not lower then 10 will be ok. Just use IFB for cover. But that's only my opinion ;)
Libero on support is completly another story. This need to be world class player similar to TQ as you said :)
@@lukaszprotas a discussion that would require a Reddit lol... I use Libero with IFB on one side and a defensive man on cover on the other. I use him on support if I am expected to dominate, defense if I am not. At least two of the three defenders must be very fast to avoid counters. Probably a sweeper keeper helps, but I had terrible experiences, so I don't trust the role. But generally I agree: libero on d is a DM with jumping reach and either speed or surrounded by fast players. Libero on S is world class or nothing.
Would love to see a counter attacking video next!
I do need to do a proper counter attacking one. Any things in particular you'd want to see? Or just all of it haha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I’ll give ideas in the context of a 442 and you can tailor accordingly, but these are some of the things I ask myself:
What are the styles of counter attacking and what key attributes would I need in my team to facilitate that? Ex: if I want a high press option I aim for faster more aggressive players, if I want to soak up pressure I get players with good mentals, have big tall cbs with a Gk like mamardashvili who dominates our box etc. Additionally, how can I tweak the tactics (roles, duties, PIs, OIs etc) to match each of those defensive styles. Same applies for offensive styles
I love on your videos how you watch the match and explain rationale for various tweaks as needed, I think always keeping that portion in your tactics videos is key
-when to use a high intensity press, vs compact mid/low block (sometimes I intentionally set a low passive block just to maximize the space behind them for the most direct of counter attacks, sometimes I feel forced to set a high press because I can’t beat them in the box, sometimes I also set a lot because they’ve proven they can beat me with long balls over the top)
In a low/mid block, How do I find the balance between max width for max space and more direct passing to take advantage of favorable matchups (let’s say my lw on their rb or any of my strikers on their cbs) or having a more narrow width to be more compact defensively with shorter passing. Does trapping outside to be more compact in the middle allow me to get away with max width in a mid/low block for max counter pressure via 1v1s, or do I need to make compromises and be more tight when facing a better opponent lest he tear me up otherwise?
Walking through the different outlet options (through ball, carry into space, target man etc) with examples of tactical changes to induce those would be great.
How do I find the balance between a sufficient rest defense and being enough of a threat offensively? I could have overlapping fbs to provide a second wave crossing threat, but then am I overexposed at the back?
Biggest of all for me selfishly speaking, is how do you tailor a counter attacking style for when you are the better team? It’s always been more of an underdog style, can you show us the way to keep that style even after we’ve started getting bigger stars, instead of moving to the more traditional possession + gegenpress style? I look at teams like Liverpool and Newcastle who started out as that high paced counter attacking style, both of whom have also adopted more of a slow and controlled style in recent years when they were the better team.. is that really what it comes down to? Better team controls and worse team relies on counter? I don’t think so since real had periods of a heavy counter style, but how do we translate all those things into in game.
@@Flexium_GG These are fantastic tips thanks!! I'll see if I can do something on this stuff specifically. In the mean time, some of the pressing stuff shows up in future videos in the near(ish) future. Stuff like how to make half your team press but not the other half, how player roles can influence your defense, stuff like that. May not be the exact thing, but could help further deduce.
And I'll try to work on something that answers questions like that. But seriously thanks! That was really helpful
Brilliant video - Wide CB role guide coming soon I hope? :)
I can neither confirm nor deny the WCB role video coming very very very soon on the video schedule
G.O.A.T
I would love to watch both of you break a tactic down and talk through how to make adjustments at different levels in a save.
The LEGEND!!! Thank you for checking out the video and the support! Means a lot that you would watch my stuff
@@piersonjamesa hey, if @TheDeepLyingPlaymaker was ever dpwm for that, then I would for sure!
Would also love him on the podcast - this channel deserves to be known
The appearance of the Enganche surprised me 😮
Always when you least expect it
Interesting idea. Have a poacher to have him get one defender off the Enganche.
My AM is a bit lacking in the physicals (Mario Götze), so I tried to play him as an Enganche.
It reminds me of the problem I had with the Roaming Playmaker. Sometimes the best tactical solution is to just tell your other plays to get out of the way
my mandatory TIs when I play a possesion tactic are short passing, dribble less, prevent short, counter press,higher defensive line and distribute to CBs
Oh dang dribble less is a great one!!! When my Possession Tactic: The Sequel video comes out haha I'll definitely need to add that in
Hey love your video keep it up! Anw what about the width in possesion tactic where if u go narrow theres no crosses right? But if u go standard then the turnover is higher
Great video, my one issue is you’re not correct on the mentality aspect. With a balanced mentality, your team will have a more cautious approach than on positive, meaning that pass you highlighted is typically much less likely to happen. If you wanted creative passing but players to follow their roles more accurately, I’d advise a positive mentality but more disciplined on creative freedom. This would make your anchor focus purely on recycling possession whilst also making every other player follow their instructions more closely
awesome tips, thank you!! I'll start messing around with the creative freedom instruction some more
Perhaps he mistakenly used a balanced mentality anchor pass video clip in a positive context, and vice versa, while creating this long video. Video clips can sometimes be misplaced during editing. He was clearly aware that a player's mentality adapts to their role within a changing tactical mentality. For example, an anchor in a balanced tactical setup has a defensive but cautious role mentality, whereas in a positive one, their role mentality differs.
I tried a possession tactic for half a season after buying FM24. My team was head and shoulders above every other team in the game when it came to controlling the game. It however came at some costs. My players had difficulties scoring goals and gave away cheap goals to the opponents. I decided to switch to a 4-3-3 gegenpress and haven't looked back since with my team scoring 120+ league goals the season after.
Good video!
I've a slight correction though, 4-4-2 can create 3 man midfield setup, utilizing Wide Playmaker or Wide Midfielder, but the roles available to make 3 man midfield are so limited that it's just better to start with 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-1-2, etc.
I have a possession tactic using 4-4-2 that defend as 4-4-2, build up as 3-5-2, and final third as 3-1-6/3-2-5. If you are interested in the roles I can write it down
Oooo that's a great setup! Thanks for the tips/correction!
yes please write it down
@@akanni713
GK: SK (Defend)
DL: WB (Attack) - DCL: CD (Defend) - DCR: CD (Defend) - DR: IFB (Defend)
ML: WP (Support) - DMCL: DM (Defend) - DMCR: VOL (Support) - MR: Winger (Attack)
STCL: Poacher (Attack) - STCR: DLF (Support)
Great explanation as always!, can you do gegenpress for the next video
The next video's match is already made, but I'll see if I can work on something Gegenpress related for some upcoming videos!
Needed this
Hi DLP! Thanks for the quality of your work! Just wondering, which highlight you choose while you're in the middle of the match? you choose full match to see how your team execute the tactics or choose between the comprehensive, extended, key highlights?
You're welcome! For these tactic videos in particular I watch the entire match. It takes about 30~ minutes to play through the entire thing.
I think comprehensive and extended are good too once you get your team set up! Shows you enough of the match while still getting through them in a decent time
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker thanks for the insight! Been choosing the comprehensive one for a couple of days and seems fine to me while taking a look at how my players execute the tactic. Anyway can't wait for another amazing video of yours. Cheers!
Can you do how to beat a possesion tactic? Everytime I play against a team playing control possession it's so difficult to defeat them
I'm not the best tactician in the game in terms of outsmarting opponents btw 😅 That's why I use videos like these for help
that's a good suggestion! maybe I can work on something about that video
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thanks DLP 🙏
insane!
Nice vid . Make a gegenpressing vid pls
Nice, gegenpres next
thanks! And you're right, I do need to do that one next!
I myself came up with a very similar tactic. identical formation but different roles. (3 central denfenders, 2 advanced wing backs, 2 midfilds, 1 offensive midfield and 2 strickers) instead of advanced wing backs I use inverted wingers and instead of defensive midfielders two box to box. the rest remains the same.
this means that in attack I have 4 players occupying the back of the enemy formation, the fifth playmaker standing between them and the inverted wingers, who go to the center. At the back there are three central defenders protecting against counterattacks. You can put the central defender as libero then he will stand equal to the inverted wingers for total domination of the center of the field, but I do not recommend it because 2 defenders are not enough.
In the defense i have solid 5 people, nothing can move pass them unles the player has just much better stats. And the box to box come soon after to help making it 7 people on defense.
In the Spanish league, playing with a weaker team I was able to draw and win with Barcelona, and they did not score a single goal.
great player role setup!! I may try something using the AM role instead of one in the DM. And the Box to Box is really useful; an underrated role
Imma show this to my kids when they ask me who was my hero!
I'm watching a Burnley documentary at the moment, I need a pub named after me like Sean Dyche and The Royal Dyche!!!! hahaha. Name it the 442 or something 🤣🤣🤣
Thx you for these great videos.
I would like to hear what your take are on tactic familiarity? When you changes the tactic so often, does that not affect your tactic familiarity?
It does affect it! But I find that sometimes the benefit of changing your system completely outweighs the downsides; so in this video for example, we went to a complete different system than the players were used but it was much more important to change and try to stop our losing streak.
I will say, is that the team familiarity in the dynamics is much more impactful when I watch matches. I forget what the actual name is off the top of my head, but it's in the team dynamics section of your squad view, and if you have a poor rating (like we do at Luton), your players positioning, vision, and overall play will be affected. In my experience, I've found that has been a much bigger issue
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Makes since! Keep up the good work!
Truly loved the video once again. Just out of interest though why the enganche over an advanced playmaker at no10? Did you not want the no10 to roam or was it something else
I might be wrong but I think trying to express something yourself helps to verify what you really understand. So please view my answer as a challenge and correct me if my thoughts are wrong.
So naturally there is an individual factor regarding the player role. It might be that Barkley isn't a great dynamic player. However, let us abstract from the player and just argue about the role within the tactical system.
I think for a possession based system it is important to have a static axis around which the rest of the team can roam. It gives you some form of base to fall back to. Of course roaming players purposely try to offer passing options, but at the cost that they aren't immediately available for the pass. If everyone was roaming there could be situations in which suddenly no one is available. Take for example the situation at 8:24. If Barkley had tried to move (for example forward with the defender), the wing back wouldn't have had a passing option.
Now, the shown system already has other players to fall back to, namely CB and anchor. However, both of them aren't great playmakers and are there to build a base for the rest defense. So there is a need for a strong base in the last third. This is what the Enganche is suited for (it accentuates the classical role of the 10).
If the system was different and you have for example a playmaker in the CM or DM position, a more roaming attacking midfielder would probably be better.
Really glad you liked the video! And @t3ss33 pretty much has the idea. I mentioned in the video how I liked using the Poacher role because he's always going to be on that front line pressuring the defense. Well using the Enganche is a similar idea. He's always going to be in that attacking midfield area; you could see it in that highlight from the 71st minute, just kinda hanging out in that spot. The player roles and team moves around him, and this will move the defenders. The problem (for the defense), is that the Enganche is a playmaker, so if they leave him, which happened a few times in the match, he can make them pay by creating a scoring chance.
Some other AM player roles probably could've done a similar job (like the advanced playmaker), but I like the role's playmaking abilities and like you say the fact he won't roam too much.
@@t3ss33 Ah ok thank you both so much for the answers I really appreciate it
Have you maybe thought of making video where you go in depth on instructions like here with Passing direction and tempo
I think I may start to do that! As I was making this one I thought the passing section could be it's own thing. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker cool cool I have been playing FM for a lot but for tactics I m very dumb I usually just watch yt for tactics until I find something that works but I always wanted to be able to make it myself depending on what I have in club,your videos about postions were awsome start
Realy enjoying your content, if possible, can you share the double pivot and double attacking mid role in alonso leverkusen system during last season?is it possible to replicate it in FM?
Hmm.. I'll have to look into that; I'm not the expert at replicating real life tactics if I'm honest haha. And glad you're enjoying the content!
When you hide your CAM i was sure it must be enganche 😀. Anyway hold possesion is so hard to use in new FM diference between counter is too big. Same situation with regroup and counterpressing. I play in FM since fm 19 and never met good regroup tactic.
Some of the time with those instructions, I find that leaving them empty (like in this one) can still produce the results you want without swinging it too far one way or the other
can you explain how overlap/underlap work?
I've been thinking about doing videos on instructions proper, but in the mean time you may be interested in the next role video coming out! It'll go into that for it's own section
I've noticed the AI makes really good possesion tactics when they play 5 at the back. I guess the midfield being so close to your back line does the trick.
The wide center-backs have a lot of helpful movement as you retain possession. Get's in those wider areas and half space and can be great for overlaps/underlaps
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I've tried playing more direct with a 3 4 1 2 with CMs, but typically my wcb's miss like 12 passes per game if they're on anything but defend which is a shame.
But they also play inch perfect passes in behind for my wing back sometimes lol.
FM is like a box of chocolates.
whats your thoughts on attacking width for a possession based tactic? Do you agree being more narrow helps a team playing shorter passes as team mates are closer to each other?
Definitely narrow could work. Sometimes when I use the TI it feels almost like they're too narrow lol. That could be one where you ride that TI and tempo during a match and adjust whether the opponent is closing you down more or not
Nice, I'm looking to play a formation that isn't necessarily possession based. I'll be taking advantage of the positive mentality rather than asking my players to pass it shorter.
Also, if I asked my team to pass shorter and tweaked a player instruction to pass more directly cos of d players trait: switches ball to other flank, does the player instruction override team instructions?
Yep, the player instruction will override the team instruction. And I really like the positive mentality; good way to get across the possession idea without using a ton of team instructions
As someone who loves and olays football i feel that 3 at the back is harder for a possession tactic.
I think it can definitely be trickier to use for sure
Nice hat
Thanks!
i’m always so scared to leave the balance mentality - because of the player’s individual mentalities - i’m scared of players having a very attacking mentality
what do you think?
That's fair; it gives you more control over their attacking with the player roles. I do believe that a mentality will gives you some extra benefits that are hard to replicate just with player roles; sometimes you'll see better possession using the positive compared with attacking, for example. But using balanced mentality can be good too, since it gives your players more freedom.
In short, you don't have to leave the balanced mentality! It's a good mentality for a ton of situations
One thing I can't figure out is wingers, seems like they always just run into the corner and get tackled
My wingers do that sometimes too. I find that using a role like the Carrilero (or wide center-back) can help him, because those roles will drift wide to proivde support. This can give the Winger an outlet so he's not by himself
Hey coach, loving the analysis and your nod to Cruyff's wisdom! Attack as the best defense, amen to that!
Just checked out your tactics around the 11:19 mark. Here's my take:
⬆Attack adjustments:
FCR - Morris: Consider switching to a Pressing Forward on Attack for more aggression.
AMC - Barkley: Due to defensive demands, Enganche might not suit a pressing system. Try him as an Attacking Midfielder on support with holding the ball to control play.
FCL - Brown: A poacher pairs well with an enganche in direct passing setups. For possession-based play, consider a Deep-Lying Forward or Complete Forward on Support, though I understand if Luton lacks that depth. Maybe a position and role to recruit a quality player for in the future to switch your system to dictate play in the future. Make sure he has good passing, vision & dribbling with higher decision-making and technique and flair. But you know the drill 😜
➡Midfield adjustments:
Nakamba: If pressing, switch him to Defensive Midfielder on Support for better play control.
Volante might not fit well here; as Ogbene seems strong as a Wingback on Attack for width. Consider Ball-Winning Midfielder on Support for defensive balance.
⬇Defense adjustments:
Left Wingback - Bell: Change to Wingback on support to support the attack without a deep lying forward.
Central defenders: Potts (Wide Centre-back Defend), Anderson (Central Defender Cover), Mengi (Wide Centre-back Defend) could enhance defensive solidity.
Then considering your striker quality and away play, hat off for the result you got here. All my adjustment proposals are not needed you got the three points 😅
But maybe you can take some pointers from it, and try it out.
Would say keep tweaking based on match feedback!
One of your many fans keep up the great work👋
I love these thank you!! I'll definitely try to see if I can work these into the next-next video (the upcoming tactic video's match is already done... as a hint, it's nothing like this one lol). But I think this system (343, more possession) is how I'll play going forward in the future. I loved the ball movement, so I'll try out your suggestions to see if I can further improve the tactic.
For the strikers with Luton, I've found that they either need to be in the Advanced Forward/Poacher vein (like we saw in this one but I have some stuff using them as Pressing Forwards.) Or I've used Adebayo as a Target Forward like in the other videos. He doesn't really have the playmaking attributes I'd want for a DLF; but I think you're right I'd love to recruit a new DLF to implement in the tactic.
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker yes my guess is you need a poacher advanced forward because of the structured approach, you can go fluid with a deep lying forward, but as Luton you just lack quality to pull it off
So a team instruction I have a hard time grasping is “run at defense”. I try to use it at times to get highlights like R9 or Ronaldhino etc dribbling around and thru their defenders but they all just seem to get pocketed easily. Any guidance for this, Guru DLP?
How I've used "run at defense" in the past is if I want my team to counter, but not just hoof it up the field. So "run at defense" will tell them to dribble up the field, and along with a higher tempo, create a counter attack that way. (not that that's the only way to use it, but that's how I've generally used it)
Are you trying to get a specific player to create those plays? Or more of a tactical style where multiple players can do it? And what kind of player roles do you like to use? Hoping to get an idea of how you like to play, and then we can go from there!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Usually if I'm trying to generate some ankle breaking tackles I'm using wingers and a striker role like an AF/CF or a Treq. As far as style goes, kinda just want to see wingers behave like classic wingers, you know? take their defender on by attempting to dribble past him.
@@TheTraaaaaaa try playing around with the team mentality, Run at defense has center mids take players on more, from the winger base player instructions he has dribble more, with the explanation as follows: "Dribble more encourages players to be more individualistic and seek to make gains by dribbling their way past opponents, rather than passing their way towards goal" So think of "dribble more" (PI) and "Run at defense (TI) in your tactic as telling your other players besides your wingers to take their opponent on, rather than passing. I like it when your players are either quick and better at dribbling than passing, or you want to win free kicks and slow the game down if you succeed, it is risky if they are shoved off the ball however.
If your want your winger to take on players and either try tricks or beat their man repeatedly, consider teaching them those player traits under the training menu for the player.
for what its worth, i think that unless you can isolate them 1v1 against a fullback or better a cm, then usually they just get tackled in the match engine.
@@piersonjamesa yeah that makes a lot of sense
Doesn't Positive means more risks? Always thought of that...That's why I use Balanced.
The litlte FM description says "patiently probe" on Positive (if I remember right) so I went with that haha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker True, but maybe start with balanced and then change appropriately is the way, just as you showcased!
Sadly possession tactics just dont perform well in fm compared to pressing fast paced ones. Never have.
Do you stream at all?
I don't at the moment. I've thought about it but nothing concrete. Pretty much just live here on TH-cam and in the comment section lol
Do you normally start with no instructions or is that just for the purpose of the video?
Yea for the purpose of the video I added them in to show their difference. I don't play with a ton of instructions anyway, but this video I wanted to start the match fresh than add them in
Just lost to a 10-man Leipzig at home as Arsenal, they had red card since 38th minute and I managed only 45% possession the whole game. I really don't know what am I doing wrong. I was playing shorter passes, lower tempo, but that just give them time to press the shit out of me. And when their players have the ball mine are no where near them, they all have time to turn around and create chances.
It's seems like if you are not using Gegenpress 100% of the time this game refuses to work. Sooo frustrating.
yea hard to argue with the frustrations. Sometimes it feels like the match is against you no matter what you do
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Yeah, it seems like it. I managed to turn my season around. After being 10 pts from the top in November I managed to climb and finish just 3 pts behind Liverpool with 19 matches unbeaten run. I increased my overall possession and control of the game but I really had trouble breaking teams down, a lot of those games ended up with me winning just 1-0, expecially against "smaller teams".
Also new tactic that I set up helped me to lift Champions League trophy against Barcelona (revenge for Parsi 2006). I'll have to find a way how to break opponents more regularly in a new season.
Your videos are great btw. really like watching/listening them on TV while playing FM.
4 - 3 - 3
GK
RB - CB - CB - LB
CMF - CMF - CMF
SS - SS
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4 - 3 - 3
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RB - CB - CB - LB
CMF - CMF - CMF
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A Question From Me :
How To Make A Philosophy Of TOTAL FOOTBALL ?
Now that's an excellent video idea!!!
MORE PLS 😂
What about pass into space?
I like to use pass into space with a more direct style or high tempo, since the pass will go up the field into space for a player to run on to. But that's not to say it wouldn't work with a possession tactic, but generally if I use it it's with a direct and/or high tempo
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I've been using it with my own possession tactics and it's is more risky but when it pays off I rip teams apart so it's good and bad
counter tactic please bro
When you say 3 midfielders are needed, can a libero make up for a the absence of a third midfielder?
Yes, the Libero counts if you consider positional play. However, if you're playing a 4-3-3 with libero, then you'll have 3 midfielders and extra assistance from the Libero (making that 4).
@@DarkHorseFM2023 4-2-3-1 with libero and you make all triangles
@@emanuelfer456 Worth it, 100%
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Yep I would consider him another midfielder; the inverted wingback too if you're feeling ambitious. I would say sometimes those roles (someone who's not a midfielder but moves into the midfield) may affect possession since it's not their starting position, but the idea is still the same. But like the others have mentioned, if you're using the Libero in a formation that already has 3 midfielders (ex: a 4231), than that can be an awesome way to build possession
Thats gotta be mo salah on your 3rd goal 😂
Me: Takes 15 minutes on how to hold possession, move the ball, and play low tempo passes
My Wingback: Yeaaaa I'm not doing any of that lol
Sorry,only thing I’m interested in is that cap
That's fair
Just found your videos and you explain everything so well and in depth, I actually think I’m understanding it better now 😂👍🏻
I'm so glad! Thanks for commenting and supporting the channel :)