Carving a deer/ reindeer relief with Dremel.

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  • @MrPollywalnuts
    @MrPollywalnuts 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good art work...I have the dremel 300. You have inspired me to engrave pics into wood then use them for wax seals.
    thank you.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for watching it. And have fun with your new hoppy!

  • @Rana-ke9bp
    @Rana-ke9bp 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    i could watch this for hours, simply stunning!

  • @earlofdemisegaming
    @earlofdemisegaming 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    now here is a video that deserve a 1000 000 likes.

  •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that left hand steadying.

  • @kristinAcevedo119
    @kristinAcevedo119 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice! I just bought the 4000 with flexshaft. I do pyrography mostly, but wanted to get into carving.

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Im bad with pyrography, i allways burn too much, but i hope i get better with some practise. 😊

  • @baileysbootstraps8170
    @baileysbootstraps8170 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great stuff bro. Just about to finish my 1st relief carving and trembling in me boots as to whether to use blow torch or not All day I've been tryin to decide THANKS mate !! :)…..great vid !

  • @medinajoey40
    @medinajoey40 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Veryyyyy Verrry Nice, inspirational brother to say the least thank you. You are gifted from GOD. Great work.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you

  • @basil7318
    @basil7318 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really liked everything, only it was necessary to show what cutters I used and at what speeds I worked. Thank you.

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Василий Волосевич Yeah. Thanks. This was my first videos that i made. Didn't know how to make videos... so, it came out like this. Never tought that one would watch it. 👍

  • @ericfoster7805
    @ericfoster7805 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Tuomas, nice work! I am interested in using a Dremel for sculpting,.especially relief like you did in this video. I would also like to do stone,. what model of Dremel do you suggest? I would also like to do stone.

  • @ericirion8523
    @ericirion8523 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Although I really love what you have done with this carving, I was hoping that you would have explained which bits you used to do the carving. Nice work though.

    • @mrdavidjk
      @mrdavidjk 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i would also like to know what the bits you used are

    • @outdoorparadise5743
      @outdoorparadise5743 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eric Irion

    • @kevinnn89
      @kevinnn89 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bits are in the video despcription for fucks sake.
      Unbelievable how dumb some people are...

    • @chubbyjaydraws
      @chubbyjaydraws 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      KVN Joa says the man who misspelled the word description

    • @mysticmara
      @mysticmara 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Clicking on the link goes to "page not found." Maybe that's why people are having problems? Unbelievable indeed.

  • @verzul2161
    @verzul2161 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whoa, I just got a dremel and I am totally inspired

  • @gamerznoob4129
    @gamerznoob4129 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What bit did you use to carve away the outside wood?

  • @jessirodriguez8310
    @jessirodriguez8310 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hola me encantó tu trabajo, por favor dime si con el dremel 3000 lo puedo tratar de hacer ,cuál usas tú? Saludos desde Costa Rica

  • @chilimartini2076
    @chilimartini2076 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice! And music is chill :) Just got Dremel 200 series. I know it's not 3000 but I'm excited anyway.

    • @diydarkmatter
      @diydarkmatter 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      sergio it dont really matter to much what you use to carve with some people use just a knife .i use a cheap chicago electric carver .what matters is revolutions. rpm speed .the faster the better .the tools will grab less and wont jump grove as much .but it dont matter what you use as long as your doing it .and having a good time doing it .sorry i know im not tuomas lol .

  • @sarafaris5333
    @sarafaris5333 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanted to tell you that i've watched this video more than 10 times and i got my new dremel hope that i can do anything like this but i'm still figuring out which bits to use for now

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just go for it!

  • @JD-jc2is
    @JD-jc2is 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of burr are you using to remove the bulk of the material?

  • @josepdebp
    @josepdebp 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it but what bits did you use?

  • @juliebrown1510
    @juliebrown1510 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is cool but how am I supposed to learn on fast mode?😞

  • @zippodbeebilbroxen3016
    @zippodbeebilbroxen3016 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would have been super helpful if u had paused to show viewers which bits you were using. I will heck yr description after i post this incase u have listed them. ty.

  • @jessiestark3176
    @jessiestark3176 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saw this on Pinterest and pinned it then saw it here. Going to make it for my step dad.

  • @mikemagnum7987
    @mikemagnum7987 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job on that deer carving! You are a very talented young man. Thank you for sharing your talent with the rest of us. I subscribed, you are way to good not to keep track of! Best Regards friend.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mike Magnum Thank you very much!

  • @Lazywatchsmith
    @Lazywatchsmith 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tätä olen odottanut ja nyt pääsin näkemään sitä kaiverrusta. Ja mahtava jatkumo näissä videoissa. Mitä olivat nuo terät joita käytit? Siis jos saa udella. Todella hyvin näyttivät puuta syövän.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lazy watchsmith Kiitos. Tein tämän kokeeksi, kun ajattelin testailla vähän ennen "lopullista". Lisään terät videon teksteihin.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lazy watchsmith Loitoin linkit tuohon kuvaukseen. Itse tykkään että nuo 114, 117 ja 144 ovat monikäyttöisimmät. Aiemmin käytin niitä pelkästään.

    • @Lazywatchsmith
      @Lazywatchsmith 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tuomas Soikkeli Kiitos. Käynkin heti katsomassa.

    • @Lazywatchsmith
      @Lazywatchsmith 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tuomas Soikkeli ei ainakaan kännykällä toimineet. Meni kyllä dremelin sivuille mutta sitten pahoittelivat ettei sivua löytynyt.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lazy watchsmith No, pahus. Eipä toimi kännyllä. Omalla koneella toimii.. mutta voi johtua jostain evästeestä ja sitten eivät toimikaan muilla... laitan kohta toimivat linkit.

  • @browill9
    @browill9 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesomeness bro. Great work and an awesome video. Thanx

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @Parrampito
    @Parrampito 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great job! what kind of wood did you use?

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Its a kind of willow tree. Here its called "stripe". I haven't found english name for it.

  • @charlottebrewer3352
    @charlottebrewer3352 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent work, I will attempt this.

  • @willkenney3645
    @willkenney3645 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    what kind of bit did you use. I just started so I'm looking for all the best bits to do some carvings for custom furniture

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      My opinion is that dremel high speed cutters 117, 134, 144 suits well in many different shapes. Also you can use diamond tips and sanding stones. www.dremeleurope.com/gb/en/highspeedcutters-6020-ocs-c/

    • @willkenney3645
      @willkenney3645 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you. I actually just requested a join for the group on Facebook

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +will kenney Thats great! If it takes long time and they don't accept you.. Send a pm to the group. If your profile ain't public, they wan't to be sure that you're not a spammer.

  • @supmawytac
    @supmawytac 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the music? I dig it!

  • @pyroartturi
    @pyroartturi 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Välivaiheita olisi voinut karsia pois, mielenkiinto lopahtaa herkästi ja kelailee nauhaa eteenpäin :) Käy katsomassa mitä minun sivulta löytyy, ja jos mahdollista, olisiko antaa neuvoja aloittelevalle. Kuinka sait nimeä levitettyä ja katsojalukuja ylös?

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tero Aarni Terve. Tää oli vissiin toinen videoni, eikä ollut mitään varmuutta edes julkaisenko sitä. 😊 Jostain syystä porukka sen sitten löysi. Olen tehnyt videoita noin puolitoista vuotta. Puoli vuotta sitten alkoi tulla tilaajia. Kai siinä kestää aikansa että videot leviävät soittolistoissa jne. Tutustun kanavaasi illan mittaan paremmin, kirjoittelen sitten enemmän.

    • @pyroartturi
      @pyroartturi 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kiitoksia :) Kaikki kommentti on kotiinpäin. Omille virheilleen on sokea, kuten olet itsekkin varmasti huomannut :)

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tero Aarni Joo. Tuo editointi pitäisi malttaa tehdä seuraavana päivänä uudestaan, siinä klippejä hieroessa puutuu saman katseluun. Jälkeenpäin huomaa sitten mokat. 😊 Editointi vain on se ikävin vaihe meikäläiselle. 😂

  • @dolphi2
    @dolphi2 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Que trabalho maravilhoso!!!!! Está super lindo.....e sendo eu uma apaixonada por veados.... ainda mais apaixonada fiquei com o resultado final. Muitos parabéns. Um abraço de Portugal.

  • @ellamarie3179
    @ellamarie3179 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What wood did you use? It's absolutely beautiful by the way. You've certainly inspired me and I am excited to have a go at something like this with my dremel :-)

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a willow tree. And, thank you!😊

  • @martinreyes8237
    @martinreyes8237 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    what type of drill do you use and what kind of wood

  • @wixte
    @wixte 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one of those Dremel 3000's, Tried carvig w/ it, didn't go as planned... Now all I do is attempt to make Bushcraft knives from sheet metal.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Making knives sounds fun.

    • @wixte
      @wixte 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tuomas Soikkeli Without a drill press it isnt!

  • @JOSEGARCIA-hg8nn
    @JOSEGARCIA-hg8nn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GOOD MORNING FRIEND, I AM A MILITARY RESERVE, I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN TO DO WOODED WORKS IN WOOD, IT COULD GUIDE ME WHAT EQUIPMENT YOU USE TO WORK IN WOOD AND HOW I DO TO PURCHASE EQUIPMENT EQUAL TO YOUR. A HUG

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Jose.
      I don't actuall work with wood so much.
      But, i can succest you dremel 4000 model with a flexshaft attachment.
      Its great for carving, routing and shaping wood.
      You could also like the plunge router attahment, its great help when making signs and reliefs.
      If you use Facebook, you should join "Dremel art" group, there is many helpfull person's, beginners and pro's.
      There you can get answers.. i could allmost say, whatever you want to know.
      facebook.com/groups/463887247107389/?fref=ts

    • @JOSEGARCIA-hg8nn
      @JOSEGARCIA-hg8nn 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      FRIEND TUOMAS, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY REQUEST, YOU WILL PURCHASE THE DREMEL 4000 WITH ANNEX FLEXSHAFT.
      JA I MAKE MY REGISTRATION REQUEST IN THE FACEBOOK GROUP DREMEL ART, I AM WAITING FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE GROUP.
      A hug, stay with God.

    • @mapleleafer74
      @mapleleafer74 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wtf

  • @diydarkmatter
    @diydarkmatter 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice work brother .let me guess .6 minute video .time lapse .= 6-8 hours of real time work right .very well done

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Yep, it took something near 6 hours. You can actually see how sun rises. ☺ I had to change place because of it.

    • @diydarkmatter
      @diydarkmatter 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      well it wasn't much of a guess brother lol. i just know how long these projects can take. the walking stick series i did took like a week in all maybe more so much of it was not taped due to a lack of video time. i have a larger memory card now. but in just the video i have up is hours worth of work. the little wood spirits i do are about 4 hours or so worth of work. the last one i did omega took 6 hours. so yeah i kinda knew you had some time invested. still a wonderful job .

  • @KrusinTheSierra
    @KrusinTheSierra 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've watched and watched.... and watched! And then I waited a couple days to get the nerve to try it. I did an elk on one side of a 6x20" piece of Pine ... not finished as I only had one bit to work with! Hoping to go to town tomorrow and buy a few more!

  • @abekun4464
    @abekun4464 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What amazing of art!!!

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you.

  • @triplesevensix291
    @triplesevensix291 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What wood did you use maestro? Cheers. Love it. Keep on it man.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      TRIPLESEVENSIX Thanks mate. Its kind of willow tree.. if im right english name its "river birch" here its called "stripe"

    • @triplesevensix291
      @triplesevensix291 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm inspired anyway. I really need to put my tools to use instead of just boozing & thinking about it! Lol. The internet & inspiration is a great thing indeed. Cheers big ears. ;) Stay safe mate. I feel like getting on it now but power tools & booze is a bad mix sometimes!! Lol. ;) Keep it up our kid. That is like slang for brother.... ive just started carving tagua nut. So good. Thanks buddy.

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TRIPLESEVENSIX Thanks! You too mate!

  • @asmaaulfi6739
    @asmaaulfi6739 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    how long does it take ? and how long have you been practicing doing this ?

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It took 3 hours. Its one of my first ones with wood.
      Im actually just testing my wood carving bits that i got from Dremel. I made a project for Dremel Europe and got Multimax mm40 and a set of wood working bits as a reward: www.kadentaidotblogi.fi/2015/08/laatikko-grillaustarvikkeille/
      So... my opinion is that, this kind of things are very easy to make without any special skills, or many years of practising. ☺
      Never thought that someone would actually watch my videos. Thank you!

    • @vvillem9
      @vvillem9 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tuomas Soikkeli Yet many people do.
      I find the small carving projects the most inspirational, using common items for which you don't need to invest in raw materials. Like the skull ring from a nut

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Willem Arnhem im thinking about the same. Usually i try to use leftover materials. This one was cheap: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1497589113877733&substory_index=0&id=1489535234683121

  • @chubbyjaydraws
    @chubbyjaydraws 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did you make your own flex shaft hanger or buy one?

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ChubbyJay Draws Made my own from pipe and c-clamp

  • @iustinb1223
    @iustinb1223 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    What bits do you use

  • @TheMess1130
    @TheMess1130 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    that dermal does not look like the dermal 3000 that is coming up in my search's so therefore how do I get that kind of dermal all the searched one are big and bulkie then the one you have

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have flex shaft attachment.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      This kit: www.amazon.co.uk/Dremel-3000-1-Multitool-Attachment-Accessories/dp/B0078LENWU

    • @sarafaris5333
      @sarafaris5333 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tuomas Soikkeli do i need the flex shaft to do that or its okay with dremel 3000 itself ?

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can work without it too, of course. Its just how you like, flex shaft is just smaller and lighter to handle

    • @sarafaris5333
      @sarafaris5333 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tuomas Soikkeli thank youu

  • @rosymarg2831
    @rosymarg2831 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Che punte usi per incidere ?

  • @jessirodriguez8310
    @jessirodriguez8310 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Que broca utilizó????

  • @IronMaidenGS
    @IronMaidenGS 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice work man :D realy nice
    hey, a question... i got a dremel With the flex atatchment and... it gets Hot as hell D: is it just me? or yours gets Hot too?
    the mandril gets Hot... not the pencil...
    p.s. sorry if my english is not 100% correct
    saludos desde Chile ^^

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi. Mine heats too. I have dropped some oil inside it, so it doesn't get burning hot.. but I think heat comes mostly from the bits, so its hard to avoid it.

  • @florianschultes5830
    @florianschultes5830 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What did you take for a presentation

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nothing. 😊

  • @zippodbeebilbroxen3016
    @zippodbeebilbroxen3016 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    For this video Did u receive compensation from Dremel? u can get sued if u dont disclose this information i think...

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I didn't got anything from dremel to this video. I was just testing some bits that i had got earlier, but i got those bits from making another project for them.

  • @mikehubbard5493
    @mikehubbard5493 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much time did you have in it ?

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      3 hours

    • @mikehubbard5493
      @mikehubbard5493 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, that's good time. It looked like maybe a couple days work. Looks great.

  • @ketchupbulletfries-driveth8452
    @ketchupbulletfries-driveth8452 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    how long did it took you to make this?

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One morning.

  • @ignaciogonzalez9825
    @ignaciogonzalez9825 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    what tips did you use?

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry for my late answer. I actually just tested many different tips in this video. I think dremel high speed cutters 117, 134 and 144 are most usefull. Those can be used with many shapes ... but Its just my opinion. ☺

  • @angefleming5308
    @angefleming5308 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    got my new dremel and hope one day ı can do things like this. It is beautiful

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. That was my second try to make a relief with dremel. Its very easy if you make simple things like this.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Btw.. there is a group in facebook "dremel art". there is ~ 2000 dremelmakers. All the way from beginners to pro. That's a great place if you need help or inspiration.

    • @angefleming5308
      @angefleming5308 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      why thank you Tuomas. I wıll join now. ;-)

  • @outdoorparadise5743
    @outdoorparadise5743 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Done good love your video

  • @racerm50
    @racerm50 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nice .

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @limbojim222
    @limbojim222 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done.

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      limbojim222 Thanks!

  • @saulgaligali770
    @saulgaligali770 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    muy buen trabajo hermano saludos

  • @prm6463
    @prm6463 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    what speed

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      10k-20k rpm. Lower with high speed cutters when shaping.. higher when smoothening. Full speed when finishing with diamond tips. Sanding drums works better with 5-10k speed.

  • @tinamckeage6665
    @tinamckeage6665 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @nightstringers
    @nightstringers 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it ...

  • @pl629
    @pl629 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job, but a fail on explaining what bits used.

  • @cr4shtestdummy
    @cr4shtestdummy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    so pretty :)

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      cr4shtestdummy Thank you!

  • @d.j.stangegfx2400
    @d.j.stangegfx2400 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing

  • @50U18R0TH3R
    @50U18R0TH3R 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah i had tostop because of the music sorry

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +jake oakley :( Music is now changed.

  • @fuadaliyev7031
    @fuadaliyev7031 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    робота проста супер

  • @RodrigoSantos-jc4ev
    @RodrigoSantos-jc4ev 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    muito bom

  • @nicolescarlett4618
    @nicolescarlett4618 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would have been more helpful if you stopped to show each drill bit to the camera so the viewers could learn.

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point. I fixed that on my later videos. This was my first one. So, it was kind of practising about making a video.

  • @lanalorenzen
    @lanalorenzen 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why even put on a TH-cam presentation without narration and discussion?! This sucks.

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you.

  • @lanalorenzen
    @lanalorenzen 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty useless without words.

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Words are overrated. 😀 This wasn't made to be how-to video. Just my first time testing carving with a dremel tool. Words would have been useles, since i had no idea what kind of result i get with those carving bits. I changed them many times to find suitable.

  • @michaelmoss5976
    @michaelmoss5976 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Almost unwatchable. The music is awful.

    •  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. I know, sorry. I change it someday.

    • @Rocky-he6nw
      @Rocky-he6nw 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is a mute button... Open another tab and play what you like... I think it was a great carving though, great job +Tuomas Soikkeli!

    • @michaelmoss5976
      @michaelmoss5976 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh! A mute button! Wow! How insightful! Thank you soooooo much for that comment!

    • @Rocky-he6nw
      @Rocky-he6nw 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're sooo welcome Michael! Anytime you need me to remind you feel free to ask.

    • @michaelmoss5976
      @michaelmoss5976 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Follow me around the internet, Rocky....your trolling....er advice is sooooooo interesting and helpful.
      BTW, it seems the guy actually changed the music per his comment above.

  • @georgibaldjiev4469
    @georgibaldjiev4469 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    what bits do you use for this project

    •  7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      георги балджиев Those are mentioned on the description.

    • @georgibaldjiev4469
      @georgibaldjiev4469 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tuomas Soikkeli sorry I missed it , however your video is awesome and I hope you will post more cool videos in future

    • @georgibaldjiev4469
      @georgibaldjiev4469 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tuomas Soikkeli could you send me link to the template of the deer , please

  • @gamerznoob4129
    @gamerznoob4129 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    What bit did you use to carve away the outside wood?

    •  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      High speed cutter 134. Then i sandet it smooth where necessary.

  • @mauriciooprofessor7765
    @mauriciooprofessor7765 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    what was the speed used?

    •  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mauricio e Sophia 10-20k rpm