Hello, I'm the mod developer and I just wanted to say thank you so much for your video. It's exceptionally well made and I greatly appreciate the analysis. Recently, I updated the mod to include Purple Pikmin although they are heavily nerfed (There's a brief trailer discussing the changes: th-cam.com/video/LUw_MzYj7H4/w-d-xo.html ). These pikmin are optional on the installer, and it's still recommended not to choose them on the installer. Regarding the debt repayment, I was unsure whether to repay debt after half of total payment or 100% for the first 3 areas, but the issue with the other option is that you don't get to use the president much and the player has pretty much no choice other than to finish Wistful Wild at the end. But you're absoluetly correct, if the players decide to mix and match between each of the first 3 areas then the debt repayment will happen out of nowhere and potentially waste a day. If it's any better, I'd recommend 100%ing Valley of Repose and Awakening Wood without touching Perplexing Pool since that's exactly 10,000 pokos. With regards to bosses, I really wanted to include more variety than just Snagrets, Long Legs and Bulblax, but a lot of bosses do not work well on the overworld and are built for a specific cave arena (Ranging Bloyster can move around freely and can eat through walls, Man at Legs could gun from almost half way across the map, Emperess Bulblax's children can roam free not to mention her size and rolling, Titan Dweevil has a long attack range and as far as I know is practically impossible to get working on the overworld, Waterwraith can roam free plus needs Purples to kill, Segmented Crawbster can roll all over the place and finally Giant Breadbug's treasure carrying capabilities can potentially cause softlocks). Additionally, there are only so many enemies that the overworld can manage due to memory limitations with most areas in the mod being very full, however, Valley of Repose actually has some memory to spare so I might be able to add a small miniboss to the area where the Rocket Fist is right now (maybe a Mamuta or something). You are very correct though, the mod does feel quite limited on enemy and boss variety. Last note, I was very aware of how broken unlimited White Pikmin are. I did signficantly reduce White Poison damage but it's still not enough. I eventually just settled on the idea that if an inexperienced player wants, they can sacrifice a decent amount white pikmin army to win a boss fight, but they'll have to be happy with repeatedly killing pikmin. Thank you so much for reviewing this mod and for all of the feedback.
Thanks for commenting! You did a great job on the hack. For an extra boss in valley of repose you could use the non-birthing version of empress bulblax in that huge open area right before the gate to subterranean complex
I personally love Pikmin 2! it's my favorite Pikmin game but a lot of people understandably think caves ruin the game. That's why the video is titled this way
Yeah, I don't know how removing content makes it better. The mod strips things away and barely adds new things. Plus Pikmin 2 had the over world so if you wanted you could just play those areas anyway. Also this "dandori" stuff wasn't a thing until Pikmin 4 and the dandori challenges were annoying.
@@j.k.4479 No you couldn't, you literally have to play the caves to progress in the game, and if you didn't like them for going against the whole gameplay loop stablished in both 1 and beggining of 2, tough luck cuz you're gonna play 15 floors of cave, going deeper and deeper with the randomized stuff.
@@CanalbirutaThe caves still don't remove the option to play in the over-world, yes they're necessary to beat the game but Pikmin 2 still offered players both game-play types.
@@j.k.4479 i mean, i'm not gonna say it does and bla bla bla, because i've played it like 7 years ago, and what i remember was having such a great time through the overworld and than having the same feeling as seeing dishes waiting to be washed when i stumbled upon caves, and for what i remember i literraly couldn't progress through the game without getting inside of it and playing like 30 - 40 minutes of a cave, reseting saves on specific floors and felling like doing a chore. I might be wrong, and i still plan on going back to it (might find myself launching the save to be greet by a floor cave i just gave up half through years ago lmao), but being able to ignore them would be something that could improve my experience by a mile.
when asked about the damaged enemy variety, the developer mentioned that the hightened focus in the overworld in terms of treasure amounts and stuff caused problems when it came to the games memory.
Watching this makes me wonder if it's feasible to turn cave segments into an Overworld. It wouldn't work for most of them due to the maze-like structure rather than the organized ordered structure, but then there's the occasional Cave layout that's not randomized no matter what.
Pikmin 2 still has a strategic element but it focuses on the micro instead of the macro. The challenge comes from the enemies being tougher to fight and sometimes having them in inconvenient places or bunched together. The challenge mode is criminally underrated as it has a propper focus on the macro and forces you to not use purple pikmin most of the time. I still dont know why pikmin 2 has become so unpopular in recent years. When it came out, it was the perfect sequel.
i mean, cool, i love pikmin 3 because it re adds the whole time system and get rid of the endless caves that made the second game boring to me, so a hack that gets rid of the caves and allow me to play the parts i find fun on pikmin 2 (strategizing between olimar and louie while getting stuff), is pretty much "fixing" the game for me (although i wouldn't mind if the hack was less about getting rid of the caves and toning down their lengh to 1 or 2 floors).
unfortunately :( although I have no idea how the Waterwraith would work above ground lol. I feel like the entire area would need to be designed around him like how the Formidable Oak is designed around the Plasm Wraith in Pikmin 3
@@SonicAdventure2 I'd be more concerned about the lack of purples for the water wraith, but honestly I don't see him as that bad for the overworld. I remember being scared of the timer when I first played through, but now he's a joke.
Pikmin 2 is my favorite!!! This is an awesome mod!!! I think Reducing the amount of caves and making the game both exploring the overworld and the caves
⁷i like all aspect of pikmin . In pikmin 2 are more like combat orientaded with caves tbe problem is they get too long=tediuos and just rehused all ovrr the place
Pikmin 2 was my first Pikmin game and I loved it at the time. But after a while, I had the opportunity to play the first Pikmin game, and I was so engaged with the time mechanic, but man I suffered so much to adjust myself to the lack of QOL improvements and unique from Pikmin 2. I am really happy to know about this mod, and really excited to give it a shot
Hello,
I'm the mod developer and I just wanted to say thank you so much for your video. It's exceptionally well made and I greatly appreciate the analysis. Recently, I updated the mod to include Purple Pikmin although they are heavily nerfed (There's a brief trailer discussing the changes: th-cam.com/video/LUw_MzYj7H4/w-d-xo.html ). These pikmin are optional on the installer, and it's still recommended not to choose them on the installer. Regarding the debt repayment, I was unsure whether to repay debt after half of total payment or 100% for the first 3 areas, but the issue with the other option is that you don't get to use the president much and the player has pretty much no choice other than to finish Wistful Wild at the end. But you're absoluetly correct, if the players decide to mix and match between each of the first 3 areas then the debt repayment will happen out of nowhere and potentially waste a day. If it's any better, I'd recommend 100%ing Valley of Repose and Awakening Wood without touching Perplexing Pool since that's exactly 10,000 pokos.
With regards to bosses, I really wanted to include more variety than just Snagrets, Long Legs and Bulblax, but a lot of bosses do not work well on the overworld and are built for a specific cave arena (Ranging Bloyster can move around freely and can eat through walls, Man at Legs could gun from almost half way across the map, Emperess Bulblax's children can roam free not to mention her size and rolling, Titan Dweevil has a long attack range and as far as I know is practically impossible to get working on the overworld, Waterwraith can roam free plus needs Purples to kill, Segmented Crawbster can roll all over the place and finally Giant Breadbug's treasure carrying capabilities can potentially cause softlocks). Additionally, there are only so many enemies that the overworld can manage due to memory limitations with most areas in the mod being very full, however, Valley of Repose actually has some memory to spare so I might be able to add a small miniboss to the area where the Rocket Fist is right now (maybe a Mamuta or something). You are very correct though, the mod does feel quite limited on enemy and boss variety.
Last note, I was very aware of how broken unlimited White Pikmin are. I did signficantly reduce White Poison damage but it's still not enough. I eventually just settled on the idea that if an inexperienced player wants, they can sacrifice a decent amount white pikmin army to win a boss fight, but they'll have to be happy with repeatedly killing pikmin.
Thank you so much for reviewing this mod and for all of the feedback.
Thanks for commenting! You did a great job on the hack. For an extra boss in valley of repose you could use the non-birthing version of empress bulblax in that huge open area right before the gate to subterranean complex
bro explained something as long as kirby lore 💀
how do i use the macos patch i can't put my pikmin 2 rom in the macos patch and i don't understand what the patch says
Why not add a beady longlegs at the rocket fist location, I think that would work very nicely
I personally love Pikmin 2! it's my favorite Pikmin game but a lot of people understandably think caves ruin the game. That's why the video is titled this way
I love pikmin 2 to😊
I hate when people push this narrative that the caves make Pikmin 2 worse
Now time for someone to fix hey pikmin
Task: Impossible
Remove the entire game 🥹
95% of the game would need to be stripped
I have a idea make it not exist by going back in time and delete it
@@scribbleslol1566what about the other five
Fixed ? The caves are like the whole game 😭
Yeah, I don't know how removing content makes it better. The mod strips things away and barely adds new things. Plus Pikmin 2 had the over world so if you wanted you could just play those areas anyway. Also this "dandori" stuff wasn't a thing until Pikmin 4 and the dandori challenges were annoying.
@@j.k.4479xd the dandori is literally what pikmin is about. It already is in all pimin games, not just add in 4 just because got a new name😂
@@j.k.4479 No you couldn't, you literally have to play the caves to progress in the game, and if you didn't like them for going against the whole gameplay loop stablished in both 1 and beggining of 2, tough luck cuz you're gonna play 15 floors of cave, going deeper and deeper with the randomized stuff.
@@CanalbirutaThe caves still don't remove the option to play in the over-world, yes they're necessary to beat the game but Pikmin 2 still offered players both game-play types.
@@j.k.4479 i mean, i'm not gonna say it does and bla bla bla, because i've played it like 7 years ago, and what i remember was having such a great time through the overworld and than having the same feeling as seeing dishes waiting to be washed when i stumbled upon caves, and for what i remember i literraly couldn't progress through the game without getting inside of it and playing like 30 - 40 minutes of a cave, reseting saves on specific floors and felling like doing a chore. I might be wrong, and i still plan on going back to it (might find myself launching the save to be greet by a floor cave i just gave up half through years ago lmao), but being able to ignore them would be something that could improve my experience by a mile.
I personally love the caves.
ngl i loved the caves
I love pikmin 2 man,its my fav
when asked about the damaged enemy variety, the developer mentioned that the hightened focus in the overworld in terms of treasure amounts and stuff caused problems when it came to the games memory.
I’d love a patch or fix to add more bosses and add Purple Pikmin in Candypop buds in the final level or something. Other than that, great video. :)
Huh? Dude I would take a whole game that is literally just the caves.
breadbug should've replaced purples with rocks
Watching this makes me wonder if it's feasible to turn cave segments into an Overworld. It wouldn't work for most of them due to the maze-like structure rather than the organized ordered structure, but then there's the occasional Cave layout that's not randomized no matter what.
The only things left are: The Emperor bublax being buffed to actually be a threat, and the chrysanthemum having a good disguise
Am i going to blast through 40% in one average day? If so, this would probably not be my cup of tea if not, I'd probably have a good time
Pikmin 2 still has a strategic element but it focuses on the micro instead of the macro. The challenge comes from the enemies being tougher to fight and sometimes having them in inconvenient places or bunched together. The challenge mode is criminally underrated as it has a propper focus on the macro and forces you to not use purple pikmin most of the time. I still dont know why pikmin 2 has become so unpopular in recent years. When it came out, it was the perfect sequel.
hmm you have me interested to playing Pikmin 2 but with no caves I'll try it out
"Fixed" yeah so... Hey, did you know? I loved the cave system? That's why I despised Pikmin 3. Besides that crap time limit they re added back.
i mean, cool, i love pikmin 3 because it re adds the whole time system and get rid of the endless caves that made the second game boring to me, so a hack that gets rid of the caves and allow me to play the parts i find fun on pikmin 2 (strategizing between olimar and louie while getting stuff), is pretty much "fixing" the game for me (although i wouldn't mind if the hack was less about getting rid of the caves and toning down their lengh to 1 or 2 floors).
Why must we suffer?..
I haven't even bought and played Pikmin 2 for Nintendo GameCube, yet.
ITS BUGABREAD GET IT RIGHT please
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
does that mean no more waterwraith? nooooo
Nah, once 5 minutes is up… RUN…
unfortunately :( although I have no idea how the Waterwraith would work above ground lol. I feel like the entire area would need to be designed around him like how the Formidable Oak is designed around the Plasm Wraith in Pikmin 3
@@SonicAdventure2agreed
@@SonicAdventure2 I'd be more concerned about the lack of purples for the water wraith, but honestly I don't see him as that bad for the overworld. I remember being scared of the timer when I first played through, but now he's a joke.
Pikmin 2 is my favorite!!! This is an awesome mod!!! I think Reducing the amount of caves and making the game both exploring the overworld and the caves
⁷i like all aspect of pikmin . In pikmin 2 are more like combat orientaded with caves tbe problem is they get too long=tediuos and just rehused all ovrr the place
Pikmin 2 was my first Pikmin game and I loved it at the time. But after a while, I had the opportunity to play the first Pikmin game, and I was so engaged with the time mechanic, but man I suffered so much to adjust myself to the lack of QOL improvements and unique from Pikmin 2. I am really happy to know about this mod, and really excited to give it a shot
Gonna be honest, it’s a pretty lame mod, you cut out the biggest part of the game and replaced it with nothing. Pretty disappointed
classic bowborb banger