Sorry I wasn’t clear on the instructions. My Tuners are a tool less design. Screw in the screws until you feel then touch and then give the screws an extra 1/2 turn or so. That will allow you to turn the tuner by hand yet still give enough tension so tuner will stay put. No tools needed. You want about same tension as the power ring on your scope. Also, screw the tuner in all the way and then work it back towards muzzle. This is more of a preference than anything, but keeps things looking more neat. Thanks for the review and support.
Yes, thanks for clarifying this Erik. I just installed my EC Tuner/Adapter on my PVA barreled RimX and noticed with the tuner cranked all the was down, it the zero indexes at the 9' O'clock position. Would it make a difference though, if the tuner was within 5 hash marks from zeroing at 12 O'clock and starting from there?
I found the difference between being over the barrel and on the end of the barrel is the revolutions needed to turn the tuner. Over the end turn the tuner in eights and over the barrel make full revolutions. Personally I prefer the look of the Harrells tuner/brakes ( I don't like the look of the 22lr tuners but you could buy a radial ported tuner/brake for a better look)
HI Steve! At first Devan said to send in the rifle exactly how I would have it set up for a match. I thought about that and called him to discuss...My question was "If I have a tuner on there that I've tuned to a specific round and even specific lot, won't your test be messed up?" He agreed, so I just sent in the barreled action with the thread protector on the end of it. My thought is that when he finds the right round/lot combination, THEN I'll tune it up on that selection. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
4gunguy kills me how almost every video he does where he shows his shots and he uses the same targets that he shot on another day with another gun or different ammo (or whatever). Therefore, he has to point or circle with a magic marker what groups he is shooting in his current video. But I like your reviews anyway. LOL
Hi Bruce! Yeah, I'm kind of cheap that way and I even have hundreds of unused targets! Oh well, glad you like the videos anyway and thanks for watching my friend!
Great review! I love my EC tuner on my rimfire. Although, instead of using the rimfire adapter, I chose to have the threads machined on my barrel and install the tuner on there. Erik Cortina is a great guy and we get to support a Texas local. Great choice
Hey Texass22Jack! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Yeah, I like supporting local folks like Erik...And, someone who really knows what he's talking about. Like the machining angle on the install.
Thanks for the information. Eric said he was going to make the best tuner that he could . I also like watching his show. F Class John also shares his learning experience with us. Lots of knowledge between these two. I have subscribed to you're channel just now. Hope to see more. Keep em coming.
Hey Ronny! Thanks for the sub my friend! Yeah, I really like F-Class John as well and they both have good information. As I said in the video, the engineering and the workmanship on the EC Tuner are excellent. You can tell that Erik wants his name to be attached to a quality product.
@@The4GunGuy my dad was reloading for many years until he passed. I helped him some over the years but before he passed it ask him about buying some of his equipment. He said you don't want to do this because it is dangerous. Lol but he didn't sell anything to me or my brother. He had everything for reloading almost every caliber and all the carbide dies. Probably 400 lbs. Of different powders. Bullets. Brass. Primers. I sure wish I could have bought all of it.
I’ve found that I have to micro adjust my tune depending on temperature ie muzzle velocities (I’ve found my ammo to be temp sensitive) sorted and crimped Norma tac22
Hi Alex! Yeah, that's what I've read about tuners in general, they are definitely not a set it once and forget it device. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Eric! In total transparency, I've gone to a straight taper barrel now and have removed the tuner. I still think tuners have a place, especially in production or lighter barrels. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Without! Yeah, I realized that in post production and was wondering who would be the first to point it out...You win! Hey thanks for watching my friend!
Great info! Thanks! I plan to do the same on my CZ. I plan on finding the sweet spot for my match ammo and also find a sweet spot for my cheaper practice ammo.
Good plan Mark! I generally use my SK Match for practice ammo out to say 200 yds, which works great. Honestly, that ammo seems to be just as good (and sometimes better) than the Lot of Center-x I got from the testing center. I may do more research on the SK Match and if it holds true, might just use that for matches once my Center-x is gone and save some $$$. Thanks for watching my friend and hope it works for you!
I just ordered a EC tuner and adapter for my Lilja barrel on my CZ 457. I think it will be a big step in my accuracy challenge. I noted in my order that I watched your review. Your review was the final piece of info I needed to make the decision. Thanks for your help and info. Very helpful. I’ll see you out at the Tx Precission match next month. Thanks again!
So, it's now been over a year since you did this video. Is the tuner still performing as well? Have there been any major adjustments as you've put more and more bullets through the barrel? Enquiring minds want to know!
Hi George! I have since gone to a straight taper barrel (planning on a video on it) and didn't see the need for the tuner any longer. I'm pretty much punching one hole at 100 yds with just the straight taper barrel. BUT, in the time I had that tuner on the old barrel it performed great. I may try it on the new barrel just to see if I can squeeze a bit more accuracy out of it though. Thanks for watching my friend!
I have two EC Tuners. One is on my Vudoo V22. I installed the adapter, screwed the tuner till it bottomed out. Then I backed it off just a touch. My 0 position was at the 9 O’clock position on my barrel. Put a dot there and started the tuning process using Lapua Center-x. My sweet spot turned out to be the number 7 mark. I just want to say, I was surprised you had to go out as far as you did. I have another lot of Center-x to shoot. Will be interesting to see where it comes in at. Happy Shooting
Hi Jack! Yep, that just shows you that each barrel is different, no matter what tolerances are used in manufacturing. Thanks for your input and for watching my friend!
Hi Bill! Yes, once you find the right setting it will work for all distances. I'm running a 1.25" straight barrel now, so I don't use a tuner (probably would help a little, but diminishing return if you know what I mean), but when I did run this one, a single setting worked. Thanks for watching my friend!
Hi Matthew! Sorry for the late response. Yeah, 1:9 might be better, but we don't really go out beyond 300 yds in our matches and it has seemed to do well at that distance and inside so far. Thanks for watching!
This was one of the better videos I've seen on tuners. One thing I would like to see is multiple targets without the tuner, and multiple targets with the tuner. Actually the more targets of each the better. One group at one setting vs anoter group at a different setting really doesn't give an idea of what kind of average improvement we might see. Can you do a vid like that? Maybe even shoot it indoors to take out the wind factor?
Hi Jeff! I love your idea and wish I had shot the video that way. Unfortunately, I now run bull barrels on my Vudoo and honestly don't even need a tuner on it so I sold the EC Tuner. Thanks for watching and I really do endorse his product for the right situation.
@@The4GunGuy Eric , thank you for answering me on a vid that was posted so long ago . I just found your channel and I like the way you present the information. SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks Dave! Go to www.shootsmallgroups.com/shop/ and you can order it! I should have put that in the description and will update now. Thanks for watching my friend!
First comment! Wondering if the ec tuner brake u had for your 65 will work on the 22... gonna have to try putting the ec tuner brake on my vudoo to see if it will work as well as on my 65.
Hi Ray! I don't think the tuner brake would work since the adapter for this tuner sticks out and the brake part of the tuner brake would actually be over that piece and wouldn't really help with the "braking" part...Hope that makes sense. Look on his website and you'll see what I mean. Hey thanks for watching and being first!
Great results overall! A follow up question though - have you repeated the test with the Center-X on another day? If so, did you find you had to change to another setting on the tuner? I have a tuner on my CZ 457 LRP, and found I needed to change to a different setting. I am not sure if that is due to atmospheric conditions or why. I shot the same lot of Center-X, so all parameters were the same, except the weather.
Hi Ken! I haven't had to change the settings for the same lot of Center-x. HOWEVER, I will tell you that a BAD box of Center-x cost me dearly this past weekend at a match. Shot three stages just fine and accurately. Went to a new box where unfortunately we had to go out to 200 yards and FOUR of my ten shots were 1 - 2 MILS above the target...not just a bit over...WAY OVER. I couldn't figure out what happened and knew it wasn't me since we were shooting off of a table and I had a very stable position built. So, I went to another box and on the next stage, which went out to 200 and 247 yards, I was hitting just fine. Very disappointed and now questioning the quality of Center-x. I also do believe however that the heat will affect the cartridges, but I'm not going to adjust unless it's way out of line in practice/pre-match, or, when the weather is decidedly different (going from 100 degrees as is now to say 40 degrees this winter). Thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy we get flyers, but nothing that bad, with Center-X. Lapua Midas Plus does better, but mercy, is it expensive here. $C22 per box. Eley Remington Match works fantastic in my rifle too. They have discontinued making it! I can't get a break. LOL
Hey guys I learned something this past weekend at long range shooting school. I plan on implementing it. I learned we need at least three set of DOPEs. One for medium temperature, one for increased of approximately 20 degrees, and one for decreased 20 degrees. Super big variances. Just a thought.
Sorry I wasn’t clear on the instructions. My Tuners are a tool less design. Screw in the screws until you feel then touch and then give the screws an extra 1/2 turn or so. That will allow you to turn the tuner by hand yet still give enough tension so tuner will stay put. No tools needed. You want about same tension as the power ring on your scope.
Also, screw the tuner in all the way and then work it back towards muzzle. This is more of a preference than anything, but keeps things looking more neat.
Thanks for the review and support.
Thanks for the clarification Erik, and thanks for YOUR support!
Yes, thanks for clarifying this Erik. I just installed my EC Tuner/Adapter on my PVA barreled RimX and noticed with the tuner cranked all the was down, it the zero indexes at the 9' O'clock position. Would it make a difference though, if the tuner was within 5 hash marks from zeroing at 12 O'clock and starting from there?
@@boxerglocker It doesn't matter where the zero starts out. Start with it all the way in. The numbers are a reference.
I found the difference between being over the barrel and on the end of the barrel is the revolutions needed to turn the tuner.
Over the end turn the tuner in eights and over the barrel make full revolutions.
Personally I prefer the look of the Harrells tuner/brakes ( I don't like the look of the 22lr tuners but you could buy a radial ported tuner/brake for a better look)
Thanks for the input DLN12234 and thanks for watching my friend!
When using the Lapua test center to select ammo, would you test with the tuner on or off?
HI Steve! At first Devan said to send in the rifle exactly how I would have it set up for a match. I thought about that and called him to discuss...My question was "If I have a tuner on there that I've tuned to a specific round and even specific lot, won't your test be messed up?" He agreed, so I just sent in the barreled action with the thread protector on the end of it. My thought is that when he finds the right round/lot combination, THEN I'll tune it up on that selection. Hope this helps and thanks for watching!
4gunguy kills me how almost every video he does where he shows his shots and he uses the same targets that he shot on another day with another gun or different ammo (or whatever). Therefore, he has to point or circle with a magic marker what groups he is shooting in his current video. But I like your reviews anyway. LOL
Hi Bruce! Yeah, I'm kind of cheap that way and I even have hundreds of unused targets! Oh well, glad you like the videos anyway and thanks for watching my friend!
Great review! I love my EC tuner on my rimfire. Although, instead of using the rimfire adapter, I chose to have the threads machined on my barrel and install the tuner on there. Erik Cortina is a great guy and we get to support a Texas local. Great choice
Hey Texass22Jack! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Yeah, I like supporting local folks like Erik...And, someone who really knows what he's talking about. Like the machining angle on the install.
Thanks for the information. Eric said he was going to make the best tuner that he could . I also like watching his show.
F Class John also shares his learning experience with us. Lots of knowledge between these two.
I have subscribed to you're channel just now. Hope to see more. Keep em coming.
Hey Ronny! Thanks for the sub my friend! Yeah, I really like F-Class John as well and they both have good information. As I said in the video, the engineering and the workmanship on the EC Tuner are excellent. You can tell that Erik wants his name to be attached to a quality product.
@@The4GunGuy my dad was reloading for many years until he passed. I helped him some over the years but before he passed it ask him about buying some of his equipment. He said you don't want to do this because it is dangerous. Lol but he didn't sell anything to me or my brother. He had everything for reloading almost every caliber and all the carbide dies. Probably 400 lbs. Of different powders. Bullets. Brass. Primers.
I sure wish I could have bought all of it.
Good video. Eric is a great supporter of the shooting sports
I’ve found that I have to micro adjust my tune depending on temperature ie muzzle velocities (I’ve found my ammo to be temp sensitive) sorted and crimped Norma tac22
Hi Alex! Yeah, that's what I've read about tuners in general, they are definitely not a set it once and forget it device. Thanks for watching my friend!
This was a well done video! Very informative!! 👍
Hi Eric! In total transparency, I've gone to a straight taper barrel now and have removed the tuner. I still think tuners have a place, especially in production or lighter barrels. Thanks for watching my friend!
Lol.... "I'm not going to bore you with the unboxing", then at 5:15 ..........lol. Like your videos.
Hi Without! Yeah, I realized that in post production and was wondering who would be the first to point it out...You win! Hey thanks for watching my friend!
Good bless Erik!
Great info! Thanks! I plan to do the same on my CZ. I plan on finding the sweet spot for my match ammo and also find a sweet spot for my cheaper practice ammo.
Good plan Mark! I generally use my SK Match for practice ammo out to say 200 yds, which works great. Honestly, that ammo seems to be just as good (and sometimes better) than the Lot of Center-x I got from the testing center. I may do more research on the SK Match and if it holds true, might just use that for matches once my Center-x is gone and save some $$$. Thanks for watching my friend and hope it works for you!
I just ordered a EC tuner and adapter for my Lilja barrel on my CZ 457. I think it will be a big step in my accuracy challenge. I noted in my order that I watched your review. Your review was the final piece of info I needed to make the decision. Thanks for your help and info. Very helpful. I’ll see you out at the Tx Precission match next month. Thanks again!
@@marklanphear6898 WOW, thanks so much Mark! You'll love it!
So, it's now been over a year since you did this video. Is the tuner still performing as well? Have there been any major adjustments as you've put more and more bullets through the barrel? Enquiring minds want to know!
Hi George! I have since gone to a straight taper barrel (planning on a video on it) and didn't see the need for the tuner any longer. I'm pretty much punching one hole at 100 yds with just the straight taper barrel. BUT, in the time I had that tuner on the old barrel it performed great. I may try it on the new barrel just to see if I can squeeze a bit more accuracy out of it though. Thanks for watching my friend!
Good review!
Thanks Gustav!!
I have two EC Tuners. One is on my Vudoo V22. I installed the adapter, screwed the tuner till it bottomed out. Then I backed it off just a touch. My 0 position was at the 9 O’clock position on my barrel. Put a dot there and started the tuning process using Lapua Center-x. My sweet spot turned out to be the number 7 mark. I just want to say, I was surprised you had to go out as far as you did. I have another lot of Center-x to shoot. Will be interesting to see where it comes in at. Happy Shooting
Hi Jack! Yep, that just shows you that each barrel is different, no matter what tolerances are used in manufacturing. Thanks for your input and for watching my friend!
Can the same tuner setting work for all distances? 50 100 200 300 etc... ???
Hi Bill! Yes, once you find the right setting it will work for all distances. I'm running a 1.25" straight barrel now, so I don't use a tuner (probably would help a little, but diminishing return if you know what I mean), but when I did run this one, a single setting worked. Thanks for watching my friend!
Glad you are sending it to lapua for testing. Going to look for that video next to see results. Goid video. New subscriber here
Thanks Brian and welcome aboard!
Great tuner but I think a 1.9 barrel would be better for long range precision.
Hi Matthew! Sorry for the late response. Yeah, 1:9 might be better, but we don't really go out beyond 300 yds in our matches and it has seemed to do well at that distance and inside so far. Thanks for watching!
This was one of the better videos I've seen on tuners. One thing I would like to see is multiple targets without the tuner, and multiple targets with the tuner. Actually the more targets of each the better. One group at one setting vs anoter group at a different setting really doesn't give an idea of what kind of average improvement we might see. Can you do a vid like that? Maybe even shoot it indoors to take out the wind factor?
Hi Jeff! I love your idea and wish I had shot the video that way. Unfortunately, I now run bull barrels on my Vudoo and honestly don't even need a tuner on it so I sold the EC Tuner. Thanks for watching and I really do endorse his product for the right situation.
@@The4GunGuy Eric , thank you for answering me on a vid that was posted so long ago . I just found your channel and I like the way you present the information. SUBSCRIBED!
Well done honest non bias video just need to know where I can get one .
Thanks Dave! Go to www.shootsmallgroups.com/shop/ and you can order it! I should have put that in the description and will update now. Thanks for watching my friend!
First comment! Wondering if the ec tuner brake u had for your 65 will work on the 22... gonna have to try putting the ec tuner brake on my vudoo to see if it will work as well as on my 65.
Hi Ray! I don't think the tuner brake would work since the adapter for this tuner sticks out and the brake part of the tuner brake would actually be over that piece and wouldn't really help with the "braking" part...Hope that makes sense. Look on his website and you'll see what I mean. Hey thanks for watching and being first!
My 22 lr is threaded 1/2 unf just got a adaptor to 18mm
Worked a treat
Gets swapped to the centre fires
Hi 4 gun, what's the od of your muzzle wondering how it would fit on my 457
HI Larry, I have a 1/2" threaded end so I had to buy the adapter which works very well.
@@The4GunGuy thanks I was interested in comparing your muzzle od to mine just for appearance.
Great results overall! A follow up question though - have you repeated the test with the Center-X on another day? If so, did you find you had to change to another setting on the tuner? I have a tuner on my CZ 457 LRP, and found I needed to change to a different setting. I am not sure if that is due to atmospheric conditions or why. I shot the same lot of Center-X, so all parameters were the same, except the weather.
Hi Ken! I haven't had to change the settings for the same lot of Center-x. HOWEVER, I will tell you that a BAD box of Center-x cost me dearly this past weekend at a match. Shot three stages just fine and accurately. Went to a new box where unfortunately we had to go out to 200 yards and FOUR of my ten shots were 1 - 2 MILS above the target...not just a bit over...WAY OVER. I couldn't figure out what happened and knew it wasn't me since we were shooting off of a table and I had a very stable position built. So, I went to another box and on the next stage, which went out to 200 and 247 yards, I was hitting just fine. Very disappointed and now questioning the quality of Center-x.
I also do believe however that the heat will affect the cartridges, but I'm not going to adjust unless it's way out of line in practice/pre-match, or, when the weather is decidedly different (going from 100 degrees as is now to say 40 degrees this winter).
Thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy we get flyers, but nothing that bad, with Center-X. Lapua Midas Plus does better, but mercy, is it expensive here. $C22 per box.
Eley Remington Match works fantastic in my rifle too. They have discontinued making it! I can't get a break. LOL
@@kenbell8752 Totally agree on Midas+, but just not paying that price.
Hey guys I learned something this past weekend at long range shooting school. I plan on implementing it. I learned we need at least three set of DOPEs. One for medium temperature, one for increased of approximately 20 degrees, and one for decreased 20 degrees. Super big variances. Just a thought.
Erik is a class person,nice to see he shares his products
Hi Tony! Yeah, I was surprised when he offered. His products are first class for sure. Thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy your welcome, I just bought a couple from erik also, they are really well built
Your supposed to snug the tension screws and then leave them. They are there for tension not to be loosened when u turn it.
Hi Andrew! I understand and maybe I misrepresented the tightening of the screws. Thanks for watching!