The decks I tend to build lately want to win but they are casual, not cedh. They want to win in a thematic way. I make sure they have specific lines but they tend to be janky, require many pieces and/or a lot of mana. Or be very fragile to removal. My decks usually have very clear lines they don't just want to "do a thing" unless that thing results in winning the game. But it's the way in which the game is won that is different from cedh, it's much less efficient and more theme-centered. It will have limitations in mechanics, art, or flavor.
To me the difference of lower power casual and higher power casual is whether the deck is built around a late game. Lower power decks don't have a true late game and instead exist solely around the accumulation of value with no specific end goal in mind. Higher power casual decks have an end game in mind and the deck has stricter card choices made to facilitate that end game. An example of a card that perfectly separates the two is Primeval Titan. Since lower power is simply about the accumulation of value Prime Time is an apex creature -- it's a 6/6 that fetches more lands for more value. However, Prime Time falls off in higher power games because a 6 cmc creature that mostly just continues to ramp and isn't contributing to most strategies' late game win conditions is a suboptimal card slot for that mana value.
Casual and cEDH will NEVER be the same and the fact that people still believe cEDH and Casual shouldn't have different ban lists is absurd. cEDH doesn't care about deck theme, it's entire goal is winning above all, while Casual decks tend to want to win WITH a theme.
If there's a different banlist there will be just two different cedh metas, one using the cedh banlist and another using the casual banlist. There's always a meta, even if it's still being figured out or if the bar is lower and that will be considered cedh. I do think the banlist could be managed to make both better banning signpost problem cards in casual that also make cedh more unbalanced. But first we need to see the bracket system
60 card formats have casual players just like Commander does. They play off-meta decks with their pet cards and aren't strictly concerned with their win-loss ratio. However they are still playing the same format (Modern, Legacy, Standard, etc) with the same ruleset. The same is true here as described in the video. Some people's deck theme is going wide, tall, etc. In cEDH, the same theme is shared across all decks: play to win.
Been enjoying your vids. You slot in nicely with the snail/elk/trinket style. And I can’t get enough of those videos.
Those 3 are the goats of jank, so glad they have a podcast now
@@thetyzonatorgoats of jank ?? Demo from edhdeckbuilding is king.
Thank you!
@@thetyzonator smh let's not forget that snail did it first and the others mimicked his style
Ew snail.
The decks I tend to build lately want to win but they are casual, not cedh. They want to win in a thematic way. I make sure they have specific lines but they tend to be janky, require many pieces and/or a lot of mana. Or be very fragile to removal. My decks usually have very clear lines they don't just want to "do a thing" unless that thing results in winning the game. But it's the way in which the game is won that is different from cedh, it's much less efficient and more theme-centered. It will have limitations in mechanics, art, or flavor.
Plus I also make sure everyone has fun and gets to do their thing. So the decks are built with that in mind.
To me the difference of lower power casual and higher power casual is whether the deck is built around a late game. Lower power decks don't have a true late game and instead exist solely around the accumulation of value with no specific end goal in mind. Higher power casual decks have an end game in mind and the deck has stricter card choices made to facilitate that end game.
An example of a card that perfectly separates the two is Primeval Titan. Since lower power is simply about the accumulation of value Prime Time is an apex creature -- it's a 6/6 that fetches more lands for more value. However, Prime Time falls off in higher power games because a 6 cmc creature that mostly just continues to ramp and isn't contributing to most strategies' late game win conditions is a suboptimal card slot for that mana value.
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I think there's something wrong with your venn diagram
How so?
Casual and cEDH will NEVER be the same and the fact that people still believe cEDH and Casual shouldn't have different ban lists is absurd. cEDH doesn't care about deck theme, it's entire goal is winning above all, while Casual decks tend to want to win WITH a theme.
Yes.
If there's a different banlist there will be just two different cedh metas, one using the cedh banlist and another using the casual banlist. There's always a meta, even if it's still being figured out or if the bar is lower and that will be considered cedh.
I do think the banlist could be managed to make both better banning signpost problem cards in casual that also make cedh more unbalanced. But first we need to see the bracket system
60 card formats have casual players just like Commander does. They play off-meta decks with their pet cards and aren't strictly concerned with their win-loss ratio. However they are still playing the same format (Modern, Legacy, Standard, etc) with the same ruleset.
The same is true here as described in the video. Some people's deck theme is going wide, tall, etc. In cEDH, the same theme is shared across all decks: play to win.
cedh circle should not be tht big noone plays tht sht 🤣 much more casual n high power players
much much more , not even close
@@Jon_Doe It's just a visual graph, it's size isn't based on any factor. Just there to show the different approaches to building a deck.