I’ve noticed that many channels rely on rage bait to draw in viewers-thumbnails filled with angry faces and titles like 'ATHEIST DESTROYS MUSLIM' or 'CHRISTIAN OBLITERATES ATHEIST.' Even as I watch this, I'm scrolling through the recommended videos (mostly videos from other channels) and the thumbnails are full of rage bait. But what I love about The Existence Project is that it’s setting a new standard. Instead of playing into hostility, they're fostering a respectful exchange of ideas. It’s refreshing to see debates that focus on understanding, not tearing others down. Keep up the great work! I hope to see another season soon, Insha'Allah!
I love this comment. I completely agree. It’s rare that a channel gives you something valuable and wholesome as opposed to a cheap tactic to elicit max views.
Fully with you on that. I noticed even those who started off respectful and level headed have started relying on these sensationalist thumbnails (like it's some kind of sparring match). Everyone's vying attention, but not in the best way. Very off putting.
@@jojos9788 marketing is one thing lying and deceiving audiences are highlighting differences in a way that triggers one part or another. It is highly unproductive and actually completely against the teachings of Islam. How can you invite ppl to Islam while acting unIslamically?
"If the parents are patient, that child will be their ticket to paradise." I'm just having lunch right now, and I'm crying after hearing that. My wife has experienced 2 miscarriages and i felt like a deep sadness within me just left my body after hearing that. Pain is the greatest teacher. Alhamdullilah. Thank you for this video. I never knew I had that emotional trauma that I needed to address.
We are so fortunate to have the blessed and healing words of our master, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), who is beautiful teachings act like a time travelling ointment for the deepest and most hopeless wounds of our hearts. Thank you so much for sharing this. Will be praying for you in my next prayer.
I’m so incredibly sorry to hear of your loss. I’m reminded of a Hadith which says that if a Muslim is afflicted with any hurt, even if it is no more than the pricking of a thorn, but Allah wipes off his sins because of it and his sins fall away from him as leaves fall from a tree. I can only imagine the paradise Allah has built you and your wife for the strength you showed and grief you endured 🤲 May He protect you both always.
I'm so sorry for your loss and deeply moved by what you've shared. May Allah grant you and your wife strength and patience during this difficult time. The pain of losing a child is unimaginable, but Alhamdolillah, Allah's wisdom is infinite, and the reminder that children who return to Him will be a source of intercession and a path to paradise is truly comforting. May Allah bless you both with sabr and ease the pain in your hearts. InshAllah
Me too. When I reflect on my struggles, I see how they’ve drawn me closer to God. It’s in those painful moments, when you feel alone, that you can discover His presence. It was through the challenges I faced in my life that I learned about God’s grace and mercy, feeling a strength within me I never knew existed. Those experiences taught me that even in the darkest times, there’s a light guiding us. And that light is God.
The evil people that rules over us will nerver allow such values and ideas to be transmitted globally to the next generations. But God has countless other means to guide us despite them trying their best to extinginsh His Light.
Imagine - if there were no pain what enormous difficulty we would have. We'd never avoid fire, clean and cover wounds, seek relief from internal infections or injuries! Broken bones would not get healed. Thank God for pain.
I think a better question would be, what is the need for pointless, natural suffering? For example, natural disasters, young children with cancer, etc.
@@BlurPC the point about young children, dying of terminal illness has already been addressed. What we call pointless suffering is an asymmetrical passing of judgement over a form of suffering that we are not actually aware of its entirety. We do not understand as yet role that suffering the overall progress of human beings. For instance, one person who is not aware of why racks are being administered a chemical that is causing them in some cases to die. Who is aware that those rats are being tested so that human children can survive that wonton and useless suffering. We see that there is a deliberate purposefulness to each and every aspect of the universe. Can we call those things about which we do not have phone knowledge pointless?
Bro I really would love to have transcripts of these conversations so that I may extract some notes to reference in the future. What a rich and beautiful conversation.
Imagine fine-tuning a LLM model on the high quality conversational data found in this series... one would easily be able to make an extremely cheap to function chatbot that could answer all possible inquiries into religion. Add an API call to an app and it'll have immense potential to help people learn about the message of Islam.
If you are using chrome, then install extension called, TH-cam summary with ChatGPT(or any youtube transcription extension). It is the best, and generates transcript where you can also copy and paste text.
omg as a muslim i love this. This conversation is so genuine, thats the proper way of making dawa. The university student was also super respectful and everything🧡
The conversations in this series have truly brought such important conversations to the light! It’s amazing to see how respectful dialogue can lead to such meaningful connections.
Wow, I can’t believe it’s the finale already! This show has really impacted my thinking about the existence of God, and I’m so excited for what’s next! 😍
Finale?? Wow - this is hands down, the best series on TH-cam. Not only were these some of the most thoughtful and compelling discussions, but also incredibly respectful. Not very many people who can engage in discussions in such an exemplary way. Great stuff - looking forward to what else you guys have in the works.
You almost neverrrrr see such respectful debates on TH-cam -- especially on a sensitive topic like this! The Existence Project is setting an excellent example, Masha'Allah! 🙌🏾
I have stuck around for most of the series, and what a beautiful series it has been! I can't be any more excited for the trailer reveal next Sunday. the wait is too longgg
We live in a world where most debate content leans into rage and spectacle, the Existence Project feels like a much-needed change. It’s inspiring to see a platform that values thoughtful conversation over cheap conflict. Keep pushing this positive approach!
I appreciate the way this conversation has been so respectful and with so much humility. We need more of this in the world! This project has also helped me reflect and come to a better understanding of my own belief system. Truly grateful for the philosophical conversations and reflection this inspired.
Without an encounter with pain and suffering, joy and happiness would lose all meaning. If a mother only thinks of the immense amount of pain she would experience during childbirth, she won't go that way! It's the joy of the reward in the form of her baby that pulls her through this ordeal! Pain is an integral part of one's evolution and survival. Very well presented! People just can't get their heads around pain and suffering and they think if God is ever merciful and all powerful why can't he just erase the pain and suffering, they can't seem to understand the whole picture. Although in my teens, I had the same questions but it all makes sense now!
Faith gives us preaching to the choir & wolves dressed as sheep, violence justified using the vocabulary of fantasyland. Faith ignores "it is a wicked generation seeking signs", such as resurrections.
Great topic .. have seen few episodes earlier then I got distracted with some work .. now I feel addicted to start over again .. my thoughts are for this program is to never end this program please .. lots of great contents and loving this series .. thank you / JazakAllah
When it comes to the human body, pain acts as our internal alarm, signaling that something needs attention. It’s how we recognize that something might be wrong and requires care. And like Murabbi Sb said, pain tells us when we need to move in the opposite direction - it can guide us to a better path. Pain is not always negative.
In terms of the human body, pain is our warning system. It's how we know that something is wrong with us and we should get it checked out. Pain also helps us appreciate the beauty of our life. It makes us grateful when we aren't in pain. Simply put, pain isn't always a bad thing.
I’m so grateful for a platform such as this that delves deep beyond the blame game ideology and puts the big picture In perspective. My two children (8&11) have grown exponentially listening and understanding the POV of God through these curious and remarkable rationalizations. Much appreciated
I must acknowledge, Murabbi Sahib, that every bit of your responses is like a pearl. Wisdom is all I hear. Jazakumullaah Khairan, May Allah grant us success in this parth.❤
Sooo classy way to convince people on the true way for God..thank you so much for this beautiful channel I have just discovered today, will be a permanent fan, keep posting
We live in a world where rare conversations lead to positive outcomes, but this one is special. Even for me, as a born Muslim, it was a very fruitful conversation. Thank you, my brother. May Allah grant you paradise, Inshallah.
I can summarise the whole dialogue with just one verse of the holy Qur'an which is: " Verily! With difficulty comes ease". I'm learning from your efforts brother, Jazakumullahu Khairah!
this is exactly what i believe every muslim should expect ahmadiyya community to do what a lovely brother May Allah guide you to truth after you have established that he exist
I like this. It's respectful and thought provoking, no insulting or name calling on either side. These types of dialogue are what feeds food for thought
Amongst all of these videos that push the same agenda, this has been my favorite. Insightful, calm, deliberate, understanding, and just intelligent preacher.
Another reason for pain, is that this life is a test, we are tested to see how we deal with the good and the bad, the abundance and the lack thereof, the pleasure and the pain. If you want a system where pain doesnt exist, strive for heaven. If this life didnt have pain, there would be no point of there being a heaven
Hmmmmm "...the devil is not a person, it's a misunderstanding. It's just the absence of good when we choose to do evil...." May I know what did you learn from the story of iblis or shayṭān/shayāṭīn? Did you just brush it over and choose philosophy over Quran?
This conversation was really interesting and informative. I am impressed with this video. The answers were precise and beautifully delivered. The young man is also brilliant with those questions. There were no off route answers or any egotistical behaviour which we see happen a lot. Thank you.
Great example that reinforces the vital role that pain plays in our lives. As you’ve alluded to, individuals with CIP experience unique challenges because - without being able to detect pain - they can injur themselves unknowingly. Hence, pain is actually a critical tool. And from an Islamic perspective, the pain of innocents will always be recompensed, which is a true source of comfort for believers.
I like that kid for taking this seriously and actually giving meaningful questions and i like that debater for giving holistic points and patiently explains instead of pushing the idea.
subhaana'Allah. I thought I knew pain because my past experiences but if you look at this brother's perspective, it's much more than we experience. It's a force that compels us to think and act 10x better than we did before we experienced pain. It's a force you can't prevent but you can surely work the hardest to never experience it and not be afraid of it either. It's beautiful.
An excellent, excellent way of explaining such complex and important topics.Extremely helpful for us all. Waiting eagerly for the next huge program.Jazzakallah.May Allah bless you abundantly 🙏🏻
since Satan is to you a literal living being then رسول الله (ﷺ) said that Satan runs through our veins. Has anyone cut open their veins and found Satan? Not at all. If you read the Holy Quran properly, you will see many different metaphoric uses for Satan
It is a metaphor, in the sense that it's not literally a man going around making people do stuff, it's just whispers in one's mind enticing evil, which we must fight
Great, I really wanted you to tell him that we believe that this dunya is a test and pain is a major aspect in it, and having patience and expectancy to be rewarded is the key to deal with any pain you've suffered.
In programming AI, the most efficient models give points to the AI for the right answers and subtract points if it made a wrong decision. In these lenses we can judge that coding intelligence into things will require motivation, the AI doesn’t want to lose points since it get rewarded for the maximum amount of points it collects through a trial, so we can judge that taking points from AI is “painful” and adding points to AI is “pleasurable” in a sense. This system is much more simplistic than the human pain and pleasure system, but it puts into prospective that the best and most efficient way even for humans to code intelligence is to use a simplified system of pain and pleasure. Jesse is a smart guy, and since he is a CS major he would realise that eventually hopefully.
Yes. I am a revert and partially because of watching a tonn of "Teaching AI to ..." just for fun, which brought me to compare our world to it. It is a perfect example to show to people who position themselves as a "man of science" and denying even talking about God. But the truth is that science and religion aren't from different worlds. Science just answers "how?" while religion answers "why?".
6:02 That's why I find the people who say that purpose of life is to have fun or do what you want is deeply problematic!! That's what paradise is for , this life is clearly not paradise, you cannot have things your way in this life, you have to surrender and follow the rules .... I always find it ironic how we look for aliens and wonder about them ...when in reality we are the aliens , we are the odd ones in this life ....our souls, our minds, our consciousness, we're not like other creatures..... we long for perfection,for complete bliss, for ultimate justice ...and we hate pain and evil.... which is so unlike the world we live in ... our world is not perfect, it's not fair and it has lot of pain and suffering... so why are we fighting these things? We don't see cats struggling like we do ! They're fine with their lives, every creature around us is fine with what they have ... but we aren't, we long for something more , we feel we don't belong here... if we just look into ourselves, our minds..we can se that we are bigger then what this world has to offer, we don't belong here , we came from somewhere bigger then this ... we came from another realm , and we shall return there, this life is only a temporary passage, a test for our eternal souls ...
Hes a computer scientist major. He shouldve known that the concept of Ai and machine learning models are created via mechanical pain (ending the program or a sim)
Basically people suffer from failures so one could thrive beyond history . When you tend to see the bigger picture, there's always reason for everything
Why did God create pain? Pain is undoubtedly important, but why use it as a path to total happiness? Imagine if there was only one color, like blue-representing happiness. If you were surrounded by blue your entire life, how would you truly appreciate its beauty? Without anything to compare it to, you wouldn’t know its value. In the same way, bliss without pain loses its meaning. Pain provides the contrast needed to fully experience and understand joy. Just as contrasting colors highlight the essence of blue, pain highlights the true depth and significance of happiness. I like your explanation and nature
When you choose to do something that brings pain you are simply doing it because you think it will bring a higher amount of pleasure than not doing it, example: if you workout it will be painful but the joy of being healthier and the feeling of accomplishment from working out outweighs that pain
I kinda get what he's asking with they system thing, basically "why not create a paradise from the start? if the current system is that you experience pleasure from the existence of pain, why not create the way that we always feel pleasure regardless of you experience pain or not?" well being not too knowledgable in my own religion, i'd say aside that life on earth is a trial, the "BUT WHY!?" is that God knows what we don't know and that God wants us to learn and gain knowledge as much as possible
The argument that why God creates pain in the first place is extremely weak. The reason is that the same people who make this argument, also argue that eternal pleasure in Paradise is extremely boring and painful. They claim that there is no way they would want to go to Paradise as eternal pleasure is just torture. So these Atheists won't be happy with whatever system you show them, neither would they propose a better system. It's a waste of time and never ending cycle
Iblis and Satan are not the same entity. They are related, but not the same. If you feel like I am wrong, please provide solid proof for the contrary. Same goes with Satan being metaphorical. Satan runs through our veins, has anyone ever cut open their veins and found Satan? You and I both know the answer
He is not human. He is a being from another race. In Islam we believe in humans, angels, and devils/jinn. They are all beings with souls and they will be judged in the afterlife, but they are created from different substances. Humans from clay, angels from light and the devils/ jinn from fire.
Simply means it's not literally a man with horns going around making people do stuff It's whispers of evil in the mind that one must fight, thus a metaphor
I posted the exact same question and it seems people are defending that here but that's ofc not true. The devil or shaytan or iblees is a creature and not a metaphor! so i don't see how he can say otherwise
I also posted my concern about him talking about darwinian evolution and i will copy paste my comment here so u don't have to search for it. @rohaam_k1558 i guess i have to provide the timestamps. 1:41 he says: "we have evolved, only in the way of consciousness. That's the only way we're superior to other animals" so he sees human being as "other animals" and he thinks that consciousness evolved in us and was not given from the beginning. 12:34 he says: "the devil is not a person in islam", which im not sure whether he means shaitan does not exist or what exactly but that's not my main issue anyways, maybe he means something else. So i hope he didn't mean that in the sense of darwinian evolution but i have to say what i saw ofc.
The Islamic answer for the existence of suffering is that this life is a test, and suffering such as a disease is part of the test. Suffering can be a means of purifying a soul.
To confine the answer of suffering to one point is diametrically opposed to the Holy Quran itself, which states many different arguments. These points are relevant to those who believe in God, but a person who does not believe in God does not believe that there is an intelligent force testing us at all so you cannot use that argument until you philosophically demonstrate that suffering please a important role in the grand scheme of things.
@@SA-mn1uxthe question in general is "if god exist, why is there pain and suffering". The existence of God is already assumed to be true within the question. Therefore the answer still holds. On the other hand, if one doesn't believe in God, they have no explanation on why something should or shouldn't exist anyway. So questioning something's existence in term of "why" is nonsense.
I’ve noticed that many channels rely on rage bait to draw in viewers-thumbnails filled with angry faces and titles like 'ATHEIST DESTROYS MUSLIM' or 'CHRISTIAN OBLITERATES ATHEIST.' Even as I watch this, I'm scrolling through the recommended videos (mostly videos from other channels) and the thumbnails are full of rage bait. But what I love about The Existence Project is that it’s setting a new standard. Instead of playing into hostility, they're fostering a respectful exchange of ideas. It’s refreshing to see debates that focus on understanding, not tearing others down. Keep up the great work! I hope to see another season soon, Insha'Allah!
I love this comment. I completely agree. It’s rare that a channel gives you something valuable and wholesome as opposed to a cheap tactic to elicit max views.
That's just marketing and whatever this dude is doing was also a trend back than
Fully with you on that. I noticed even those who started off respectful and level headed have started relying on these sensationalist thumbnails (like it's some kind of sparring match). Everyone's vying attention, but not in the best way. Very off putting.
@@jojos9788 marketing is one thing lying and deceiving audiences are highlighting differences in a way that triggers one part or another. It is highly unproductive and actually completely against the teachings of Islam. How can you invite ppl to Islam while acting unIslamically?
I've been born muslim but it's the first time I hear this explanation and it makes so much sense. Thank you very much
Nobody is “born muslim”.
Everybody is an atheist until we accept religious lies.
"If the parents are patient, that child will be their ticket to paradise."
I'm just having lunch right now, and I'm crying after hearing that.
My wife has experienced 2 miscarriages and i felt like a deep sadness within me just left my body after hearing that.
Pain is the greatest teacher.
Alhamdullilah. Thank you for this video. I never knew I had that emotional trauma that I needed to address.
I’m so sorry to hear about your loss. May god give you the patience to persevere through this difficult time
We are so fortunate to have the blessed and healing words of our master, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw), who is beautiful teachings act like a time travelling ointment for the deepest and most hopeless wounds of our hearts. Thank you so much for sharing this. Will be praying for you in my next prayer.
Really sorry to hear about your loss. May Allah Tala bring ease to your heart and grant you patience and strength during such a difficult time.
I’m so incredibly sorry to hear of your loss. I’m reminded of a Hadith which says that if a Muslim is afflicted with any hurt, even if it is no more than the pricking of a thorn, but Allah wipes off his sins because of it and his sins fall away from him as leaves fall from a tree. I can only imagine the paradise Allah has built you and your wife for the strength you showed and grief you endured 🤲 May He protect you both always.
I'm so sorry for your loss and deeply moved by what you've shared. May Allah grant you and your wife strength and patience during this difficult time. The pain of losing a child is unimaginable, but Alhamdolillah, Allah's wisdom is infinite, and the reminder that children who return to Him will be a source of intercession and a path to paradise is truly comforting.
May Allah bless you both with sabr and ease the pain in your hearts. InshAllah
This has personally helped me understand my own relationship to God and the universe. Thank you so much for this program.
Me too. When I reflect on my struggles, I see how they’ve drawn me closer to God. It’s in those painful moments, when you feel alone, that you can discover His presence. It was through the challenges I faced in my life that I learned about God’s grace and mercy, feeling a strength within me I never knew existed. Those experiences taught me that even in the darkest times, there’s a light guiding us. And that light is God.
Can You prove it Wrong that Infinite Field of the Universe is God ?
Man.. this conversation is a real gem. The video should be displayed in classes.
I’m a teacher. We sometimes watch these videos I class. My kids love it!
The evil people that rules over us will nerver allow such values and ideas to be transmitted globally to the next generations. But God has countless other means to guide us despite them trying their best to extinginsh His Light.
Imagine - if there were no pain what enormous difficulty we would have. We'd never avoid fire, clean and cover wounds, seek relief from internal infections or injuries! Broken bones would not get healed. Thank God for pain.
Pain is the reason we learn not to play with fire! Pain can be a form of protection for us.
I think a better question would be, what is the need for pointless, natural suffering? For example, natural disasters, young children with cancer, etc.
@@zaynkarim841 yes. Alhamdulillah for pain
We learn to love and cry from pain , that os amazing 😊
@@BlurPC the point about young children, dying of terminal illness has already been addressed. What we call pointless suffering is an asymmetrical passing of judgement over a form of suffering that we are not actually aware of its entirety. We do not understand as yet role that suffering the overall progress of human beings. For instance, one person who is not aware of why racks are being administered a chemical that is causing them in some cases to die. Who is aware that those rats are being tested so that human children can survive that wonton and useless suffering. We see that there is a deliberate purposefulness to each and every aspect of the universe. Can we call those things about which we do not have phone knowledge pointless?
Bro I really would love to have transcripts of these conversations so that I may extract some notes to reference in the future. What a rich and beautiful conversation.
Imagine fine-tuning a LLM model on the high quality conversational data found in this series... one would easily be able to make an extremely cheap to function chatbot that could answer all possible inquiries into religion. Add an API call to an app and it'll have immense potential to help people learn about the message of Islam.
TH-cam has that function in the description theres a transcript with timestamps
If you are using chrome, then install extension called, TH-cam summary with ChatGPT(or any youtube transcription extension). It is the best, and generates transcript where you can also copy and paste text.
omg as a muslim i love this. This conversation is so genuine, thats the proper way of making dawa. The university student was also super respectful and everything🧡
The conversations in this series have truly brought such important conversations to the light! It’s amazing to see how respectful dialogue can lead to such meaningful connections.
Wow, I can’t believe it’s the finale already! This show has really impacted my thinking about the existence of God, and I’m so excited for what’s next! 😍
Finale?? Wow - this is hands down, the best series on TH-cam. Not only were these some of the most thoughtful and compelling discussions, but also incredibly respectful. Not very many people who can engage in discussions in such an exemplary way. Great stuff - looking forward to what else you guys have in the works.
You almost neverrrrr see such respectful debates on TH-cam -- especially on a sensitive topic like this! The Existence Project is setting an excellent example, Masha'Allah! 🙌🏾
Absolutely. These are the meaningful conversations that drive our understanding of our intrinsic place in the universe.
I have stuck around for most of the series, and what a beautiful series it has been! I can't be any more excited for the trailer reveal next Sunday. the wait is too longgg
We live in a world where most debate content leans into rage and spectacle, the Existence Project feels like a much-needed change. It’s inspiring to see a platform that values thoughtful conversation over cheap conflict. Keep pushing this positive approach!
I agree wholeheartedly.
I appreciate the way this conversation has been so respectful and with so much humility. We need more of this in the world!
This project has also helped me reflect and come to a better understanding of my own belief system. Truly grateful for the philosophical conversations and reflection this inspired.
Can’t wait to watch the premiere!
I have a lot of pain, but after seeing this video, I realize what a blessing pain is.
That was such a riveting conversation. That college student is so bright and had some great questions. Also, I can’t wait for next week!
What resonated most with me was the powerful reminder of staying patient for that ticket to heaven. Jazakamullah for an excellent episode.
Without an encounter with pain and suffering, joy and happiness would lose all meaning. If a mother only thinks of the immense amount of pain she would experience during childbirth, she won't go that way! It's the joy of the reward in the form of her baby that pulls her through this ordeal!
Pain is an integral part of one's evolution and survival.
Very well presented!
People just can't get their heads around pain and suffering and they think if God is ever merciful and all powerful why can't he just erase the pain and suffering, they can't seem to understand the whole picture. Although in my teens, I had the same questions but it all makes sense now!
So excited!!
Amazing session
Cannot wait for the trailer
What profound insight! Also can't wait for Oct 13th!! May God Almighty make this blessed in every way
Excited n Waiting
Mash'Allah amazing conversation!! May Allahtallah bless your efforts! Jazak'Allah!
Faith gives us preaching to the choir & wolves dressed as sheep, violence justified using the vocabulary of fantasyland. Faith ignores "it is a wicked generation seeking signs", such as resurrections.
Such an amazing series, cant wait to see whats next
Great topic .. have seen few episodes earlier then I got distracted with some work .. now I feel addicted to start over again .. my thoughts are for this program is to never end this program please .. lots of great contents and loving this series .. thank you / JazakAllah
Omg finally!! Was waiting for it since the last 2+ months ❤️
When it comes to the human body, pain acts as our internal alarm, signaling that something needs attention. It’s how we recognize that something might be wrong and requires care. And like Murabbi Sb said, pain tells us when we need to move in the opposite direction - it can guide us to a better path. Pain is not always negative.
Amazing session 👏
Can’t wait for the announcement 😊
In terms of the human body, pain is our warning system. It's how we know that something is wrong with us and we should get it checked out. Pain also helps us appreciate the beauty of our life. It makes us grateful when we aren't in pain. Simply put, pain isn't always a bad thing.
Completely agree! When people don't feel pain, they don't get a chance to prevent injury.
It’s definitely a directional guide that helps us navigate our lives.
@@zaynkarim841 Sure but an omnipotent being could create a world without injuries, hence no need to prevent them in the first place.
Can't believe the season is over aaaa 😢
I’m so grateful for a platform such as this that delves deep beyond the blame game ideology and puts the big picture In perspective. My two children (8&11) have grown exponentially listening and understanding the POV of God through these curious and remarkable rationalizations. Much appreciated
So sad that it is the finale..we need clones of the Brother to spread more love and understanding. Looking forward to the next video
Excellent philosophical discussion! I learned more about free will, pain, moral responsibility..Thanks!
I must acknowledge, Murabbi Sahib, that every bit of your responses is like a pearl. Wisdom is all I hear. Jazakumullaah Khairan, May Allah grant us success in this parth.❤
I hope they're going to announce another season of these debates!
Sooo classy way to convince people on the true way for God..thank you so much for this beautiful channel I have just discovered today, will be a permanent fan, keep posting
We live in a world where rare conversations lead to positive outcomes, but this one is special. Even for me, as a born Muslim, it was a very fruitful conversation. Thank you, my brother. May Allah grant you paradise, Inshallah.
Love this kind of debates, no yelling, no curses no hates, just motivation to seek the knowledge.
*We need to adapt the kindness and mercy of Jacob ( Israel ) and Joseph*
-an enlightened Israelite
What a wonderful conversation! Whyyyy the cliffhanger at the end?!?!?!! Can't wait till next week!
I can summarise the whole dialogue with just one verse of the holy Qur'an which is: " Verily! With difficulty comes ease". I'm learning from your efforts brother, Jazakumullahu Khairah!
this is exactly what i believe every muslim should expect ahmadiyya community to do what a lovely brother May Allah guide you to truth after you have established that he exist
You talk with respect, and that's how it should be. Great work.
Those Who Do Not Understand True Pain Can Never Understand True Peace.
this video is mind-blowing. well done! mashallah
You're back bro!! I miss you man. I hope we get more content.
May الله سبحانه وتعالى guide this young man and grant him knowledge of the Deen. Ameen!
This was just beautiful
I like this. It's respectful and thought provoking, no insulting or name calling on either side. These types of dialogue are what feeds food for thought
Amongst all of these videos that push the same agenda, this has been my favorite. Insightful, calm, deliberate, understanding, and just intelligent preacher.
This is a gem!!! So underrated, btw thank you so much for this ❤
This isn't a debate, this is a conversation. The kind of conversation you have during midnight and you have the urge to bother and call your friends.
You've raised the bar with those brilliant Q&As. So much respect for you, guys!
Another reason for pain, is that this life is a test, we are tested to see how we deal with the good and the bad, the abundance and the lack thereof, the pleasure and the pain. If you want a system where pain doesnt exist, strive for heaven. If this life didnt have pain, there would be no point of there being a heaven
So real. 10/10 series
The God Summit announcement! Must be that 😊🎉
It better be another live because that's what I want to see!😂
Lol agreed! 😊
Hmmmmm "...the devil is not a person, it's a misunderstanding. It's just the absence of good when we choose to do evil...."
May I know what did you learn from the story of iblis or shayṭān/shayāṭīn?
Did you just brush it over and choose philosophy over Quran?
Really well spoken, Barak Allahu Feek
This conversation was really interesting and informative. I am impressed with this video. The answers were precise and beautifully delivered. The young man is also brilliant with those questions. There were no off route answers or any egotistical behaviour which we see happen a lot. Thank you.
There's literally a disorder called congenital insensitivity to pain, and it's horrible.
Great example that reinforces the vital role that pain plays in our lives. As you’ve alluded to, individuals with CIP experience unique challenges because - without being able to detect pain - they can injur themselves unknowingly. Hence, pain is actually a critical tool.
And from an Islamic perspective, the pain of innocents will always be recompensed, which is a true source of comfort for believers.
But they do experience mental pain right?
@@razee7869 Great question. Probably should ask a doctor lol
@@abduugas😁 , in this video they are mostly talking about mental pain too I assume.
PLEASEEE DO ANOTHER VIDEO WITH THIS MAN PLZZZZZZZZZ
the more pain you got. the more stronger you are. the more knowledge you got, the more humble you are ✍
Please keep posting videos every day 🙏
Insanely good series.
I like that kid for taking this seriously and actually giving meaningful questions and i like that debater for giving holistic points and patiently explains instead of pushing the idea.
subhaana'Allah. I thought I knew pain because my past experiences but if you look at this brother's perspective, it's much more than we experience. It's a force that compels us to think and act 10x better than we did before we experienced pain. It's a force you can't prevent but you can surely work the hardest to never experience it and not be afraid of it either. It's beautiful.
great video! love to see
once again, amazing video with amazing answers!
An excellent, excellent way of explaining such complex and important topics.Extremely helpful for us all. Waiting eagerly for the next huge program.Jazzakallah.May Allah bless you abundantly 🙏🏻
Great work!
No pain. No gain.
Pain is only bad if you cause it to someone else unjustly.
so what about pre-human mass extinctions and animal suffering before humans emerged on earth?
…it was good till he said the shaytan is a “metaphor” for the absence of good and not a real being. He’s philosophized himself into weird territory.
since Satan is to you a literal living being then رسول الله (ﷺ) said that Satan runs through our veins. Has anyone cut open their veins and found Satan? Not at all. If you read the Holy Quran properly, you will see many different metaphoric uses for Satan
It is a metaphor, in the sense that it's not literally a man going around making people do stuff, it's just whispers in one's mind enticing evil, which we must fight
Great, I really wanted you to tell him that we believe that this dunya is a test and pain is a major aspect in it, and having patience and expectancy to be rewarded is the key to deal with any pain you've suffered.
In programming AI, the most efficient models give points to the AI for the right answers and subtract points if it made a wrong decision.
In these lenses we can judge that coding intelligence into things will require motivation, the AI doesn’t want to lose points since it get rewarded for the maximum amount of points it collects through a trial, so we can judge that taking points from AI is “painful” and adding points to AI is “pleasurable” in a sense.
This system is much more simplistic than the human pain and pleasure system, but it puts into prospective that the best and most efficient way even for humans to code intelligence is to use a simplified system of pain and pleasure.
Jesse is a smart guy, and since he is a CS major he would realise that eventually hopefully.
Yes. I am a revert and partially because of watching a tonn of "Teaching AI to ..." just for fun, which brought me to compare our world to it. It is a perfect example to show to people who position themselves as a "man of science" and denying even talking about God. But the truth is that science and religion aren't from different worlds. Science just answers "how?" while religion answers "why?".
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A lot to process and he needs to make peace with the answers. I wish him good luck. Good heart. May God make him happy and successful in both lives
Good job❤❤❤
Keep up the good work RoR team
Mash’Allah very profound
Excellent arguments, presented very beautifully.
6:02 That's why I find the people who say that purpose of life is to have fun or do what you want is deeply problematic!! That's what paradise is for , this life is clearly not paradise, you cannot have things your way in this life, you have to surrender and follow the rules ....
I always find it ironic how we look for aliens and wonder about them ...when in reality we are the aliens , we are the odd ones in this life ....our souls, our minds, our consciousness, we're not like other creatures..... we long for perfection,for complete bliss, for ultimate justice ...and we hate pain and evil.... which is so unlike the world we live in ... our world is not perfect, it's not fair and it has lot of pain and suffering... so why are we fighting these things? We don't see cats struggling like we do ! They're fine with their lives, every creature around us is fine with what they have ... but we aren't, we long for something more , we feel we don't belong here...
if we just look into ourselves, our minds..we can se that we are bigger then what this world has to offer, we don't belong here , we came from somewhere bigger then this ... we came from another realm , and we shall return there, this life is only a temporary passage, a test for our eternal souls ...
Hes a computer scientist major.
He shouldve known that the concept of Ai and machine learning models are created via mechanical pain (ending the program or a sim)
Basically people suffer from failures so one could thrive beyond history . When you tend to see the bigger picture, there's always reason for everything
Why did God create pain? Pain is undoubtedly important, but why use it as a path to total happiness? Imagine if there was only one color, like blue-representing happiness. If you were surrounded by blue your entire life, how would you truly appreciate its beauty? Without anything to compare it to, you wouldn’t know its value. In the same way, bliss without pain loses its meaning. Pain provides the contrast needed to fully experience and understand joy. Just as contrasting colors highlight the essence of blue, pain highlights the true depth and significance of happiness. I like your explanation and nature
thus the existence of a place without suffering －such as heaven－ would be meaningless and senseless.
When you choose to do something that brings pain you are simply doing it because you think it will bring a higher amount of pleasure than not doing it, example: if you workout it will be painful but the joy of being healthier and the feeling of accomplishment from working out outweighs that pain
there's medical case where someone don't feel pain.
and because of that, the person is living a very dangerous live. they will need help from others.
Keep on going murabbi saab u legend
We aspire for things like love, compassion and sacrifice because they bring us pleasure though
I kinda get what he's asking with they system thing, basically "why not create a paradise from the start? if the current system is that you experience pleasure from the existence of pain, why not create the way that we always feel pleasure regardless of you experience pain or not?" well being not too knowledgable in my own religion, i'd say aside that life on earth is a trial, the "BUT WHY!?" is that God knows what we don't know and that God wants us to learn and gain knowledge as much as possible
A.W.W, it's been a long time! Where did you go??? The episodes have not been streaming!
Nice analogy
I agree, there was so much insight shared. It’s healing to hear such deeply rational answers to existential questions.
The argument that why God creates pain in the first place is extremely weak.
The reason is that the same people who make this argument, also argue that eternal pleasure in Paradise is extremely boring and painful. They claim that there is no way they would want to go to Paradise as eternal pleasure is just torture.
So these Atheists won't be happy with whatever system you show them, neither would they propose a better system. It's a waste of time and never ending cycle
You receive paradise after going through life, which has pain. You still have your memories. Still makes sense imo.
12:34 If the devil is not a person in Islam, than who is shaytan? Who is Iblees that is talked about in the Quran? Is it all just a metaphor???
Iblis and Satan are not the same entity. They are related, but not the same. If you feel like I am wrong, please provide solid proof for the contrary. Same goes with Satan being metaphorical. Satan runs through our veins, has anyone ever cut open their veins and found Satan? You and I both know the answer
He is not human. He is a being from another race. In Islam we believe in humans, angels, and devils/jinn. They are all beings with souls and they will be judged in the afterlife, but they are created from different substances. Humans from clay, angels from light and the devils/ jinn from fire.
Simply means it's not literally a man with horns going around making people do stuff
It's whispers of evil in the mind that one must fight, thus a metaphor
I posted the exact same question and it seems people are defending that here but that's ofc not true.
The devil or shaytan or iblees is a creature and not a metaphor! so i don't see how he can say otherwise
I also posted my concern about him talking about darwinian evolution and i will copy paste my comment here so u don't have to search for it.
@rohaam_k1558 i guess i have to provide the timestamps.
1:41 he says: "we have evolved, only in the way of consciousness. That's the only way we're superior to other animals" so he sees human being as "other animals" and he thinks that consciousness evolved in us and was not given from the beginning.
12:34 he says: "the devil is not a person in islam", which im not sure whether he means shaitan does not exist or what exactly but that's not my main issue anyways, maybe he means something else.
So i hope he didn't mean that in the sense of darwinian evolution but i have to say what i saw ofc.
Alhumdulillah for Islam ❤
Beautiful!
The Islamic answer for the existence of suffering is that this life is a test, and suffering such as a disease is part of the test. Suffering can be a means of purifying a soul.
To confine the answer of suffering to one point is diametrically opposed to the Holy Quran itself, which states many different arguments. These points are relevant to those who believe in God, but a person who does not believe in God does not believe that there is an intelligent force testing us at all so you cannot use that argument until you philosophically demonstrate that suffering please a important role in the grand scheme of things.
@@SA-mn1uxthe question in general is "if god exist, why is there pain and suffering". The existence of God is already assumed to be true within the question. Therefore the answer still holds.
On the other hand, if one doesn't believe in God, they have no explanation on why something should or shouldn't exist anyway. So questioning something's existence in term of "why" is nonsense.
Allah Bless you Sir
Can you post more please