I really appreciate that no matter what arguments are brought forward by the atheists, the Imam never wavers from the arguments he has regularly made. It shows his confidence in his belief.
Brother Sabahat, you have a special way of articulating these complex topics, May Allah increase your knowledge and spirituality so that these conversations convert into conversions.
Another great episode..the Imam once again articulated his points in a very respectful, calm manner. However Kudos to both men also who came forward with such calm, respectful demeanor. Very very engaging and thoughtful conversation. You can see both guests had the intention of actually understanding and observing the rational and reasonings unlike many of the previous guests who just came in for a debate without the intention of understanding. Amazing
I love these talks. And I am obsessed with watching them in 2x speed. It’s so much fun. Please keep doing the great work in decreasing stigma around religion and increasing perspective on this topic! ❤❤❤
Brother, you're an honourable man, having the knowledge and patience to educate many of the lost souls to figure out the purpose of their existence, where they come from, why they're here and where they going is a respectable work. May Allah the most Merciful protect you and accept your work, Ameen
The theory of atoms, which posits that matter is composed of indivisible units called atoms, suggests a fundamental point of indivisibility-where halving and halving again must ultimately reach an indivisible atom. Similarly, in the realm of causality, tracing causes back through an infinite regress must reach a singular, ultimate cause, often perceived as God, the cause of all causes. Just as we cannot see atoms directly, even with today's technology, and instead interpret their characteristics through indirect observations, we cannot see God directly but interpret the cause of all causes through the observation of the universe, such as the expanding cosmos and background radiation. This concept also parallels the conservation of matter and energy, where neither can be created nor destroyed, only transformed, suggesting an underlying continuity and singularity in the fabric of the universe. Thus, the existence of an indivisible atom and an ultimate cause both point toward a fundamental principle or entity at the core of all reality, which can be interpreted as evidence for the existence of God.
"The proponents of logical empiricism or logical positivism argue that metaphysical statements that imply the existence of some super natural reality are devoid of empirical content hence can neither be verified nor falsified through empirical observation. However, if that is the case, they conclude, such statements are meaningless. " What's your opinion on it.
if we asked the question who created god when are we gona stop at what point we gona stop saying and who created that god and who created that god ? it s infinite so logicly it has to have a starting point then we will never be able to be here in the first place
I am loving this series. The Imam is such a nice person. These were very constructive conversations. So far, all the atheists are very respectful. I was wondering if the same would happen the other way around. If someone went to a Muslim-majority country with a sign "God Doesn't exist, prove me wrong,." I wanted to see the conversations that would take place. It could even be the Imam who is presenting the series, and he could say, "Atheist say this, what would you say in return?"
It's interesting, I saw in the beginning of the series, the Imam was holding up a sign that said "If God Exists, Why Is There Sufering?" but I don't think we saw any interactions regarding that. Also I think the US is still a religious country too lol
Everything that begins to exist has a cause. Universe began to exist. Therefore universe has a cause. My issue here is with the first premise. It should have been "Every material thing that begins to exist has a material cause". Universe began to exist and it is made up of matter. So by logic shouldn't conclusion reach to "Universe has a material cause". The definition proposed by Engels for matter was that, "Anything with motion is matter". Now can you please present your thoughts on this.
Asking God for help is one thing, just remember that you prayed, because the more you get into the supernatural, then it gets harder, because now you've experienced the reality which is strange in many evident observations even in direct questions being answered almost the next day or moment. What's strange is when asking, the answer can come at different points but the answers can come in a sense of perfect timing when it needs to happen. And you'll realize oh man, was that because of that communication to existence ? But then you get more wise and more stupid, and you'll end up observing more so heavier challenges in life, and it takes more away from your life. I have always yearned to understand the more behind the curtain intellect, so it's a good and bad thing to research it. Good because you'll always be looking to further research, bad because God( supreme intellect of existence) isn't your slave, so understanding this will be problematic and good for your life. A creation isn't the creator, and the creator isnt going to give you whatever you want. Say if someone asked God for a million dollars many times, you may get the million, but you'll also be confronted with many strange events of using that million. You'll be tested very heavily, or depending on the person that asks, the answers change with the type of person. You'll be given a heavy amount of work, and it'll be hard to do anything else, leaving more considerable and honorable things behind. You'll constantly be pushed and pushed to a madness of gluttony. You'll regret ever asking, so be careful what you ask eternal existence which is the teacher of teachers. I struggle with this a bit, because there are times things make sense which I do not want, but which I want don't make sense, but wisdom of patterns is something I'm unable to comprehend well. There will be times youll have to live moments like a Nabi, and deal with people you really do not want to deal or ever know. Shunning them away is like asking for a million dollars and not expecting to get tested. God is no ones slave or magic jinn. I have many of experiences because it's my research, and I intend to research further.
Good work ,but better at the end you should deliver the message of Islam explicitly to them .maybe they think you talk about another God .thanks and keep forward
Both of these guys had a very civil conversation it's nice to see people who have a discussion without arguing and listening to each other calmly. Love it.
Is this a Qadiani channel? Just realised now. Your arguments for a creator is amazing. But I don’t think you will have any arguments about Qadiani religion. It’s simply not Islam.
I feel like Athiests seem to “want” to believe there is no God, maybe some religious trauma… As a revert to Islam from Christianity then Atheism myself, I wouldn’t really say I “want” to believe in God (astagfirullah, I dont know how else to put it) because lawlessness on some level is desirable/tempting; however, lawlessness/no-accountability isn’t a world I want my family to live in, nor myself & 2) despite wanting to give into desires & not worry about anything ever, all the facts added up & it isn’t about blind faith in Islam so acknowledging Allah is what I believe in because I to attest to truth & it isn’t about a “want” sort of motivation. To be fair & for the record, I do want Allah to exist but I don’t rely on desire when it comes to my faith, it was a logical decision for me & not something I was convinced by a charming man in a button down at the podium while a guitarist strummed on an accoustic.
He says, "So when God is by definition, infinite...when you come to an infinite being, you don't ask where it started." This is circular reasoning. He gives his definition of God as infinite and then claims God is infinite. This is not a proof for God or proof that his definition for God is true. Does God exist? We don't have sufficient evidence to claim a God exits. Where did we come from and why? The simple answer to both those questions is, "We don't know." To fill in the blanks with "God" as the answer is specious. This guy is soft-peddling Islam.
We did not say that, we said that, if you wish to assert that there must be an infinity before this universe, that is, when atheists asks the question of who created God Then the answer is that, if the being is infinite, then there can be no assertion of infinite regress, how can you have a being before a being that is infinite? The atheists choose to attack the Islamic version of God, so the Imam defends it in accordance to the Islamic concept of God!
Its the other way around ( *Islam denys that we are a simulation- God can create anything and everything so creating a simulation is nothing for God or who you call "Islams God" , but islam denys that our existance is a simulation, there is a difference* ) we are created for a purpose, created as physical beings that occupy physical space as evident by adam's story in the quraan, if everything is a simulation then whats the purpose of the human suffering and the prophets' patience on their people? Any concept of rationality and patience is useless in the simulation theory in my personal opinion.. I remember there are talking points against the simulation thing in Islam but im not a knowledgable person on that matter so I wont say... Refere to respectable shiekhs to give you a good understanding on the topic
By the way, it is not near impossible, it is impossible, even one single protein synthesized randomly. Your chance of winning lottery each week in your lifetime is more likely than a cell made randomly.
Islam is the truth and the only way to paradise, all Prophets from adam(as) to Muhammed(saw) were muslims(submitting their will to god) To allah we belong and to him we will return
يتكلمون عن العشوائية و لكن فمك لا يوجد في بطنك و عيناك ليس في قدميك و يتكلم عن واقع افتراضي قل له انك في انريال انجين النسخة الاخيرة باخر تحديثاتها هههه
If the whole purpose of creation is humans and their test, God would have created humans on day one of creation. God would not wait for some billion years for the first cell to emerge and from that another few billion years for humans to take shape. If you consider the age of the universe, the time span for which humans have existed is nothing. Does not look like a God who really cared about creating life and even less about creating humans.
God is outside of time since time is his creation. You make it sound like god needs to wait? Maybe you don't understand the definition of an infinite being outside of time.
I don't think anyone says the whole purpose of creation is human, at least not in this video or in Islam perspective. There are so many things in the universe and human is just part of it
God is not bound by time because He created time for His creation. He does whatever He wants, whenever He wants. Additionally, God has many other creations beyond this world. So, don't think our world is all there is. 39:62 Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs. “I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known, so I created a creation, then made Myself known to them, and they recognised Me.”
If Christopher Hitchens was alive, he would be amused. Also I respect this channel creator for standing strong on his belief but he can't talk on behalf of science provided with the knowledge he has no experience in studying it. My in depth study of theology and physics, itself guides away from a loving creator, and rather a human invention.
If you take love out or in, that's isn't an ontological argument against existence of a God. If you acknowledge there is existence then you already acknowledge there being a foundational source for this existence
This is fallacious in that it is quite clearly an argument from authority. Lol just take for example Christopher Hitchens, who HIMSELF didn't have a science degree! Therefore, would you say Hitchens did not have the right to speak about science? This is why your comment is quite irrational. Sure, your research pulls you away, but again, if the experiment isn't correctly tuned, the conclusion will almost always be incorrect. Furthermore, you must admit that your knowledge isn't the end-all be-all of knowledge, so there may be more knowledge or experience out there that convinces you otherwise.
I really appreciate that no matter what arguments are brought forward by the atheists, the Imam never wavers from the arguments he has regularly made. It shows his confidence in his belief.
Alhamdulillah, the truth never needs to change 🙌🏾
It shows he's doing circular reasons
That proves his arguments are weak
I totally agree!
Imam ?
Brother Sabahat, you have a special way of articulating these complex topics, May Allah increase your knowledge and spirituality so that these conversations convert into conversions.
آمين
Can never get enough of these videos.
Honestly same
The suspense always kills me, but this time The Existence Project is spoiling us with two debates in one!! 😂
These UK talks have not disappointed.
Amazed how my man keeps the board high during the whole conversation ❤ Respect
Another great episode..the Imam once again articulated his points in a very respectful, calm manner. However Kudos to both men also who came forward with such calm, respectful demeanor. Very very engaging and thoughtful conversation. You can see both guests had the intention of actually understanding and observing the rational and reasonings unlike many of the previous guests who just came in for a debate without the intention of understanding. Amazing
A Simulation without a Simulator. Atheist Logic.
Theistic logic - I know it! God did it!
Causality is fundamental and can't be caused.
Perfectly put!
Masha Allah, this brother talks smooth as silk. Always, decent and respectable conversations, keep doing it!!
What an outstanding job to use scientific reasoning to explain the existence of God
Brother, we need these videos alot more often! You're channel would grow even more as it should! InshaAllah!
I can't wait for your videos, I want to watch 3 of these everyday
I love these talks. And I am obsessed with watching them in 2x speed. It’s so much fun. Please keep doing the great work in decreasing stigma around religion and increasing perspective on this topic! ❤❤❤
Brother, you're an honourable man, having the knowledge and patience to educate many of the lost souls to figure out the purpose of their existence, where they come from, why they're here and where they going is a respectable work.
May Allah the most Merciful protect you and accept your work, Ameen
Lovely conversation. I would really love it if you can somehow speak with Dawkins or other professors like him. E.g Lawrence Krauss etc
The theory of atoms, which posits that matter is composed of indivisible units called atoms, suggests a fundamental point of indivisibility-where halving and halving again must ultimately reach an indivisible atom.
Similarly, in the realm of causality, tracing causes back through an infinite regress must reach a singular, ultimate cause, often perceived as God, the cause of all causes.
Just as we cannot see atoms directly, even with today's technology, and instead interpret their characteristics through indirect observations, we cannot see God directly but interpret the cause of all causes through the observation of the universe, such as the expanding cosmos and background radiation.
This concept also parallels the conservation of matter and energy, where neither can be created nor destroyed, only transformed, suggesting an underlying continuity and singularity in the fabric of the universe.
Thus, the existence of an indivisible atom and an ultimate cause both point toward a fundamental principle or entity at the core of all reality, which can be interpreted as evidence for the existence of God.
YES!............. singularity in the fabric of the universe!"
just a heads up, nuclear fission and I believe also string theory would like to disagree with you. The atom is very much divisible
This is a very unique way of thinking about things!
Beautiful conversations, Good to see both gentlemen were able to postulate the Existence of living God, keep them coming Imam sb.
I admire ur intelligence and the respectful interactions u make with people. Keep spreading islam my friend hope people find the true relegion.
ما شاء الله سبحان الله Very good conversations
جزاك الله Murabbi Sahib
I love the way you speak brother allah bless you ❤
Can u plz upload more videos bro coz these conversations are fantastic
What took you guys soo long. Been waiting 😂
جزاك الله خيرا
Brother, I wanted to hear your take on the different sects in Islam, such as Ahmadiyya, Sunni, Shia, and others. It would be really enlightening.
Brother so great in speaking articulately
It was a good conversation with the first guy.
Salam,
Really, you are doing a tremendous job! Maa sha'Allah
Beautiful arguments. May Allah bless you
This is Amazing, we as Muslims need more of this.
May Allah bless the Imam
"The proponents of logical empiricism or logical positivism argue that metaphysical statements that imply the existence of some super natural reality are devoid of empirical content hence can neither be verified nor falsified through empirical observation. However, if that is the case, they conclude, such statements are meaningless. "
What's your opinion on it.
if we asked the question who created god when are we gona stop at what point we gona stop saying and who created that god and who created that god ? it s infinite so logicly it has to have a starting point then we will never be able to be here in the first place
Another thing is that when people ask who's the inventor of a thing after the answer nobody continues to ask who invente the inventor 😂
I absolutely love these videos. Very Logical and Philosophical.
If your in a simulation then god to you is the creator of the simulation
What's the name of this guy? And where is he from?
Jzakallah morabe Sabhat ali
I am loving this series. The Imam is such a nice person. These were very constructive conversations. So far, all the atheists are very respectful.
I was wondering if the same would happen the other way around. If someone went to a Muslim-majority country with a sign "God Doesn't exist, prove me wrong,." I wanted to see the conversations that would take place. It could even be the Imam who is presenting the series, and he could say, "Atheist say this, what would you say in return?"
It's interesting, I saw in the beginning of the series, the Imam was holding up a sign that said "If God Exists, Why Is There Sufering?" but I don't think we saw any interactions regarding that.
Also I think the US is still a religious country too lol
12:00 - 12:10
Is that Brother Munib from @QuranStudy ?
I didnt quite understand why we shouldnt talk about who created god. Can someone explain me in a friendly way?
МашаАллах ❤️
Sabahat! Very convincing arguments...
Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
Universe began to exist.
Therefore universe has a cause.
My issue here is with the first premise. It should have been "Every material thing that begins to exist has a material cause". Universe began to exist and it is made up of matter. So by logic shouldn't conclusion reach to "Universe has a material cause". The definition proposed by Engels for matter was that, "Anything with motion is matter". Now can you please present your thoughts on this.
amazing
Asking God for help is one thing, just remember that you prayed, because the more you get into the supernatural, then it gets harder, because now you've experienced the reality which is strange in many evident observations even in direct questions being answered almost the next day or moment. What's strange is when asking, the answer can come at different points but the answers can come in a sense of perfect timing when it needs to happen. And you'll realize oh man, was that because of that communication to existence ? But then you get more wise and more stupid, and you'll end up observing more so heavier challenges in life, and it takes more away from your life. I have always yearned to understand the more behind the curtain intellect, so it's a good and bad thing to research it. Good because you'll always be looking to further research, bad because God( supreme intellect of existence) isn't your slave, so understanding this will be problematic and good for your life. A creation isn't the creator, and the creator isnt going to give you whatever you want. Say if someone asked God for a million dollars many times, you may get the million, but you'll also be confronted with many strange events of using that million. You'll be tested very heavily, or depending on the person that asks, the answers change with the type of person. You'll be given a heavy amount of work, and it'll be hard to do anything else, leaving more considerable and honorable things behind. You'll constantly be pushed and pushed to a madness of gluttony. You'll regret ever asking, so be careful what you ask eternal existence which is the teacher of teachers. I struggle with this a bit, because there are times things make sense which I do not want, but which I want don't make sense, but wisdom of patterns is something I'm unable to comprehend well. There will be times youll have to live moments like a Nabi, and deal with people you really do not want to deal or ever know. Shunning them away is like asking for a million dollars and not expecting to get tested. God is no ones slave or magic jinn. I have many of experiences because it's my research, and I intend to research further.
1. Don't be specific in asking- like 'I want this or that' . Seek what God thinks is better for you.
2. Feel pleased/ grateful with whatever you get.
mashallah terrific!!! wonder who the imam is?
Good work ,but better at the end you should deliver the message of Islam explicitly to them .maybe they think you talk about another God .thanks and keep forward
Wunderbar ❤️
does islam say that humans are the only intelligent beings created by god? if so what is the purpose of the rest of the universe?
ماشاءاللہ
Q: if we live in a simulation, who is the simulator?
A: God
Both of these guys had a very civil conversation it's nice to see people who have a discussion without arguing and listening to each other calmly. Love it.
Is this a Qadiani channel? Just realised now. Your arguments for a creator is amazing. But I don’t think you will have any arguments about Qadiani religion. It’s simply not Islam.
I feel like Athiests seem to “want” to believe there is no God, maybe some religious trauma…
As a revert to Islam from Christianity then Atheism myself, I wouldn’t really say I “want” to believe in God (astagfirullah, I dont know how else to put it) because lawlessness on some level is desirable/tempting; however, lawlessness/no-accountability isn’t a world I want my family to live in, nor myself & 2) despite wanting to give into desires & not worry about anything ever, all the facts added up & it isn’t about blind faith in Islam so acknowledging Allah is what I believe in because I to attest to truth & it isn’t about a “want” sort of motivation. To be fair & for the record, I do want Allah to exist but I don’t rely on desire when it comes to my faith, it was a logical decision for me & not something I was convinced by a charming man in a button down at the podium while a guitarist strummed on an accoustic.
He says, "So when God is by definition, infinite...when you come to an infinite being, you don't ask where it started." This is circular reasoning. He gives his definition of God as infinite and then claims God is infinite. This is not a proof for God or proof that his definition for God is true. Does God exist? We don't have sufficient evidence to claim a God exits. Where did we come from and why? The simple answer to both those questions is, "We don't know." To fill in the blanks with "God" as the answer is specious. This guy is soft-peddling Islam.
He is a Muslim. That's not a secret. And we do know: The Quran.
We did not say that, we said that, if you wish to assert that there must be an infinity before this universe, that is, when atheists asks the question of who created God
Then the answer is that, if the being is infinite, then there can be no assertion of infinite regress, how can you have a being before a being that is infinite?
The atheists choose to attack the Islamic version of God, so the Imam defends it in accordance to the Islamic concept of God!
Living in a simulation doesn't deny God. But it does deny Islam's God
How so?
Its the other way around ( *Islam denys that we are a simulation- God can create anything and everything so creating a simulation is nothing for God or who you call "Islams God" , but islam denys that our existance is a simulation, there is a difference* )
we are created for a purpose, created as physical beings that occupy physical space as evident by adam's story in the quraan, if everything is a simulation then whats the purpose of the human suffering and the prophets' patience on their people? Any concept of rationality and patience is useless in the simulation theory in my personal opinion.. I remember there are talking points against the simulation thing in Islam but im not a knowledgable person on that matter so I wont say... Refere to respectable shiekhs to give you a good understanding on the topic
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Allahu Akbar
By the way, it is not near impossible, it is impossible, even one single protein synthesized randomly. Your chance of winning lottery each week in your lifetime is more likely than a cell made randomly.
MashAllah 🥰
We don’t even know if there was a big bang that’s just a theory
Islam is the truth and the only way to paradise, all Prophets from adam(as) to Muhammed(saw) were muslims(submitting their will to god)
To allah we belong and to him we will return
Improbable therefore god.
There you go, saved you 20 min.
You are free to give an othee alternative
What happened to you why you living as a refugee in Non Muslim country can you explain to me???
If something is outside of space and time, then it doesn't exist.
Therefore god doesn't exist.
Next question.
How to make an atheist cry! "If GOD doesn't exist, what exactly are they denying!"
Ba Dum Tss!!!
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يتكلمون عن العشوائية و لكن فمك لا يوجد في بطنك و عيناك ليس في قدميك و يتكلم عن واقع افتراضي قل له انك في انريال انجين النسخة الاخيرة باخر تحديثاتها هههه
who is this channel funded by? Gives industry plant vibes.
Which industry?
Not this one. Nice try.
What does that even mean? Industry plant vibes? lolll
First guy has a lot of illogical assumptions.
Yea it seems he's just on his path of learning, but honestly he was very kind while explaining, unlike many atheists.
If the whole purpose of creation is humans and their test, God would have created humans on day one of creation. God would not wait for some billion years for the first cell to emerge and from that another few billion years for humans to take shape. If you consider the age of the universe, the time span for which humans have existed is nothing. Does not look like a God who really cared about creating life and even less about creating humans.
Absence of life in the universe is not absence of design & function, so your point doesn't hold.
God is outside of time since time is his creation. You make it sound like god needs to wait? Maybe you don't understand the definition of an infinite being outside of time.
And you know God's ultimate plan for everything?
I don't think anyone says the whole purpose of creation is human, at least not in this video or in Islam perspective.
There are so many things in the universe and human is just part of it
God is not bound by time because He created time for His creation. He does whatever He wants, whenever He wants. Additionally, God has many other creations beyond this world. So, don't think our world is all there is.
39:62 Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs.
“I was a hidden treasure, and I wished to be known, so I created a creation, then made Myself known to them, and they recognised Me.”
If Christopher Hitchens was alive, he would be amused. Also I respect this channel creator for standing strong on his belief but he can't talk on behalf of science provided with the knowledge he has no experience in studying it. My in depth study of theology and physics, itself guides away from a loving creator, and rather a human invention.
A human invention?...so humans created the whole universe?
If you take love out or in, that's isn't an ontological argument against existence of a God.
If you acknowledge there is existence then you already acknowledge there being a foundational source for this existence
Have you ever tried Praying? Sincerely?
This is fallacious in that it is quite clearly an argument from authority.
Lol just take for example Christopher Hitchens, who HIMSELF didn't have a science degree! Therefore, would you say Hitchens did not have the right to speak about science? This is why your comment is quite irrational.
Sure, your research pulls you away, but again, if the experiment isn't correctly tuned, the conclusion will almost always be incorrect. Furthermore, you must admit that your knowledge isn't the end-all be-all of knowledge, so there may be more knowledge or experience out there that convinces you otherwise.
You have to use „lovable“ to delegetamize the existence of God. Your comment showed you have no counter argument to there being a God.
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