Was I Wrong? Are Citizen Watches Any Good?
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- In this Citizen BM7360-82L Super Titanium review, I answer the question: are Citizen watches any good? Was I too harsh on them in my tier list video?
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Bogus watches Misselling by the Japanese
No not at all, I recently bought a
#CitizenEcoDrive #PerpetualCalendar and it shows September 31 with no way to correct rather I had to MANUALLY Advance and set the month and day to October that is today @titanwatches #Helios @CITIZENWATCHJP
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I've been wearing a nighthawk every day since 1999... Anyone who thinks citizens watches are no good, are buying watches for reasons other than having a watch.
Dude the watches that they were producing in 1999 were so much better, if u buy a citizen now it will never last 20+ years
@@andreabilardi508 I seriously doubt that. But if that's what you think, don't buy one. I've got almost a dozen, going back at almost 30 years, as new as last year, and every few years between. Never had an issue with a citizen watch, ever. So... You can assume, or take the word of someone who actually owns them. Up to you, I don't have a dog in the fight.
So far, the top comments on the matter, seem to be agreeing with me. So again, there's that...
@@andreabilardi508I have several more modern ones, including a recent Promaster. They are perfectly fine watches. Love them.
As a Citizen owner, I’ve always liked and been more than satisfied with their watches. They do exactly what they were built to do and exactly what I bought them for. That’s what I like in a watch. Well built and precise. In summary, Citizen watches are great, but they’re not meant for everyone.
I love every Citizen watch I own, 5 or 6 of them. They are all Ecodrive quartz. Some were expensive for a quartz watch, be nice if you could get their fit, finish and quality and such a bit cheaper
Well built and precise is also why I have mine. Got it 10 years ago and its never missed a beat after wearing it pretty much every day, and the hand alignment is still perfect as far as I can see. I got it with the intention of never having to buy another watch, and seems to be doing well so far.
My first watch was the Citizen Blue Angels watch and it’s one of my favs - even years later. It radio syncs nightly and I have never had to change a battery. My biggest complaints are the 23mm band I night glow. A 22mm or 24 mm band would have been ideal. I also feel the night glow could be improved.
@@__-fm5qvW0W…..one watch! What model did you buy if I may?
Citizen is outstanding.
@@allisonsmith9050I could easily argue that Citizen is the greatest watch company of all time. They don’t have great lume though and need to step up their game.
I have an Eco Drive Citizen and for almost 10 years it has kept dead on time and still looks good. I would call it a solid watch that is worth the money.
Na man.... It doesn't fit his wrist.... It's automatically trash.
I've had one since my marriage 7 years ago and man does it work like clockwork.
Takes no lickin but keeps on tickin.
@@halilhammer7607 if his wrist is skinny, buy small watch and don't be stupid, and don't blame a brand for you choosing the wrong watch
My dad bought me a citizen watch at the airport when I was 12. It was digital/analog and also told the temperature. I couldn’t believe my luck! Over the years new watches came and went and for around 30 years the citizen watch sat in my drawer untouched. A few weeks back I found it again and put a new battery in it. Amazingly it started up again as new. That is a great quality product.
Not to mention Citizen back their watches with a five year warranty. I love mine. Fantastic value for money.
I have 7 Citizens. They are all fantastic.
I have 3 eco drive watches, all of different styles, and I love them so citizen gets my vote over Casio. It’s all very subjective though.👍
Or Seiko
The watch choice of Bernie Sanders
Same here. Fab watches. I'm going to get 2 automatic citizen watches. They are better than Seiko
@@denisdaly1708 Particurly from what I read in QC
@@oscarosullivan4513 what is QC, friend ?
I'm a Citizen fan Ben but I take the points that you are making, which are perfectly reasonable. I find their QC to be better than Seiko overall.
I agree.
What is QC ?
@@jeanbon6710 quality control
@@booperdooper1808 thanks
Spot on!
About three years ago, I bought a solar Seiko. The POS pissed off after a month!
Got a less expensive Corso and the thing just won't quit much less lose even a second a week.
Citizen watches are a fantastic value. As a watch collector, I have aspired to higher end Swiss watches, but day to day work watch is a Citizen or sister company Bulova
i have citizens for daily wear and bulova precisionists for dress watches. my favorite thing is that they make big enough watches. ben's gripe is that they only have grown up sized watches.
YUP, I have a day-date field watch, PMD56, 2 promaster divers, and a dress watch all Citizen Eco-Drive. The durability and the comfort factor regarding the no need for maintenance make it awesome daily for a university student like me for different occasions.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off.
Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements!
I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon.
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@@syloffire it's not complicated. it is radio controlled, not gps. the only problem it is too small and titanium. i don't like my watches that light.
@@louiscyfer6944 the price is mostly from super titanium - material used in spacecraft. Super durable and light.
I plan on only using that watch for rest of my life, and not spend on 5 or 6 like most ppl
One of the great things about Citizen is that they seem to have more sapphire crystals at lower prices than other companies, at least from what I've seen. That's key for someone looking for an affordable watch. I expect a watch case to get banged up over time but I want the crystal to be pristine.
You're absolutely right. I remember as a kid buying a $189 quartz sport chronograph and EVEN THAT had sapphire crystal.
One exception: the Citizen Satellite Wave watches available in the US, list price around US$800, have mineral glass crystals. Just stinginess.
low price? try finna automatic citizen under 200 quids with saphire crystal today
Good point, I've noticed they use sapphire a lot on their watches. Seiko might want to take a lesson from Citizen. I prefer Sapphire to the Seiko Hardlex. I tend to scratch watch crystals, and Sapphire has been the only material that resists the scratches.
@@balesjo for the stainlesss
I bought a Citizen watch as a graduation gift for myself and it has been running flawlessly for 7 years. The only thing I have to do with the watch is to adjust the date every other month.
Always been impressed with my Citizen watches ( eco drive) my titanium is over 15years old now and just keeps going.
I have 5 Citizens in my collection currently. I love all of them. One of my favorite watch brands.
Citizens are built to last and tend to be very accurate. My 10 year old Citizen Eco-Drive is strangely more accurate than my fairly new Casio G-Shock GD350.
However, the misalignment is an issue.
My new eco drive is 0 seconds off after 1 month. That's what I like it most. Precision
Navigator watch I agree mens dress watches are too big
My 180 Eco Drive is off 12 minutes after 2 years. Got an apple watch and set it aside. Back to the citizen for a few days a week now.
Around 1997, I picked up a Citizen Skyhawk Eco-Drive for $470 from my jeweler. List was $650 I believe. It's still working and showing little wear on the bracelet clasp. It still keeps time and is radio controlled. It's the only watch I wear. Of course I don't wear it when working on my car or house. I think Citizen's are a great value.
Have the same watch blue an yellow
I bought a skyhawk in titanium about 20 odd years ago. For some weird reason the jeweller seemed to think that I didn't want to buy it at £400 and while I was admiring it suddenly blurted out that I could have it for £350! Naturally, I didn't tell him that I was about to agree to buy it at £400.
Best watch I have ever owned!
But wait until you have to get it serviced. I've just paid £200 to have a new capacitor fitted!
You're obviously a man of good taste, Sir!
@@davidashton2361 Thanks! You obviously have good taste too. :) My brothers wife bought him a Breitling that cost around $4,500 USD. He was forever talking about it. i was looking at it one day and pretended to about drop it and he about had a heart attack. He didn't let me see or handle it again. I think Ben should stick to Timex watches. He doesn't know a quality product fairly priced.
I know its at the very high end, but the Caliber 0100 - amazing with an accuracy of +/- 1 second a year - any Watch company that can engineer something like this has my Vote
Rolex fanboyz crying in thier pillows
Actually ANY CITIZEN watch with the radio symbol or atomic clock
Citizen is amongst the best watches in the world. Period. Love them. And they are definitely in the top of tiers. They're better built than Seiko for sure.
You said it.
I can confirm that Eco drive watches can go 20+ years before you need to change the capacitor.
I like Citizen and own two of them and was surprised when you put them in "B-tier" but that is your opinion and you are allowed to have one so i dont understand the hate. People have different experiences with different products. I do however think Casio offers better value and those that ive owned have been excellent.
I'm completely with you there mate
I have an ae-1000
I bought a Citizen Promaster in 2001 planning to actually use it for scuba diving. I have made over 500 dives with it and it has worked flawlessly. I have used and abused this watch on several continents and just recently replaced the crystal for the first time. I thought about buying a Luminox or Omega to replace it, but I have no reason to. It still looks great and performs perfectly. You can have your posh Seikos or whatever. This Citizen is amazing.
40 watches in my collection. 4 Citizen’s…
NY040(automatic 90’s diver), The ‘Solar Tough’, Blue Angels Nighthawk, and a PVD coated Promaster Diver. I end up selling off a lot of Watches but these have stayed in my collection. I find the bracelets to be much more comfortable and a better quality than the Seiko equivalents. I’ve never had a misalignment on any Citizen And I certainly can’t say that I got a number of Seiko’s that I’ve owned. I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist… And I must admit that I find a lot of their watches right on the edge of what I can wear size-wise. Thanks for the cool opinion piece!
Citizens are amazing My father has a 600 dollar sapphire face, titanium bracelet (which means it’s super light) eco drive watch by them he’s had it for 5 years and everything still works perfect. Quality on Citizens are legendary. If you can’t afford there higher end watches they have cheaper options with still good quality.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off.
Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements!
I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon.
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A really good to check out is the Promaster diver. I personally have the Citizen NY0100-50M, which is made out of titanium and I absolutely love it. It's the perfect summer watch! Automatic, really nice turquoise lume, really light, and overall very nicely finished. I definitely think it could be worth looking into!! It's great on a NATO strap.
Agreed. I have one and have made hundreds of dives with it.
When I was a kid, I suddenly realized how decidedly middle class my family was, when we were so excited to get a Citizen or Seiko watch, which we thought were the finest watches around. Then my rich uncle showed off his Rolex watch, and we realized the income bracket Citizen caters too.
My favorite watch is my radio-controlled/eco-drive Citizen. It sets itself at 2am every night and never needs a battery. Got it on sale for $150
Love Citizen. I've just bought another, this time an automatic promaster diver's 200 metres, certificated thingy, the rest of mine are eco-drives. Banter is one thing but entirely dismissing them and slagging them off is another. Citizen has many fans and there are many other watch channels out there.
I owned an Eco-Drive for 3 years. Kept it in a drawer for months and it never stopped. I can't remember the time ever being out on it (Maybe needed to change it once?) I sold it on ebay regretfully 3 months ago and then bought another today because I missed it so much. My life is whole again.
Citizen is one of my favorites brand, in my old days a digital Casio is my daily watch and a "tank" gold tone of Citizen quartz wear for weekend, both all accompany with me with twenty happy years, and now I have an eco drive and I believe that another twenty happy years will on it way.
I've had a BM8180-03E on my wrist most for the past 8 years. I think it's a great value that's served me well. 37mm and I paid under US$100 for it though it currently retails for around $150.
That's my everyday when I'm not at work in construction. Casio is on the wrist at work.
Ben has, hands down, the best watch channel, however is missing the mark on Citizen. Like a lot of other Japanese brands, Citizen keeps the good stuff for their domestic market. They also focus more on the higher end and even has GS competitor called Campanola . Citizen is also one of the few watch companies that maintains control over their entire production process and develops their own movements. Even third party sales of Miyotas are not particularly cheap. Citizen is a dyed in the wool watch company and always has been. I hate so say it but Casio is primarily a calculator company that also makes keyboards and sometimes watches but never mechanical ones. Take that Ben. pew pew.
Casio may be also a calculator company, but they've ALREADY proven they can make awesome, accurate watches regardless of the price tier. OK, maybe not mechanical but within quartz they dominate - why bash them for something they don't even make? It's not a fair contest...
@@GodIsInHisHeaven I’m not bashing my compadre. I don’t think Ben’s comparison is fair though. They are two very different companies. Citizen is a watch company that adapted by using electronics while Casio did the opposite. One is the head(casio) and the other is the heart(citizen).
@@MrMadvillan I agree that comparison with Casio is not fair, because any watch compared to Casio is simply unnecessary.
Tho, in this case, it's probably Citizen company to blame, maybe because they don't have much models presented on the market. Whenever I see some Citizen watches on sale, I find them a bit boring and meh. My impression of Citizen is they produce only watches for white collar employees who work in cubicles. LOL
@@damyr yeah it’s unfortunate that they have such a limited selection despite being bigger than seiko even.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. I don't see it as complicated at all - just pull the dial out and rotate to corresponding timezone and set daylight savings on/off.
Since the watch is radio-controlled and gps navigation, it will do all the work for you : just have fun watching the adjusting movements!
I am very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch - it features three-dimensional look that expresses the surface of the moon.
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Not going to judge you. I’ll simply state a point in favor of Citizen. I have three and their capacitators haven’t failed me, unlike two Seiko Solars and a Kinetic.
Which Seiko models? I’m just curious
I don't get Seiko Kinetic. It's the worst of both worlds. You have the bulk and weight of an auto without the sweeping seconds hand. Solar is a much better alternative.
I have a titanium Citizen and am quite happy with how comfortable this piece is . Ever since Seiko has gone off on their new path, Citizen (and Bulova) has become my go-to brand - specially when you can snag them for around Cdn $200 at their factory stores.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day.
Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch
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I've got the World A-T titanium , never missed a beat.
Just curious what do you mean by Seiko going off on their new path ?
My first watch was the Citizen Blue Angel watch and I still love it years later. I have never had to change the battery and it radio syncs so the time is always correct. The two major complaints I have are the 23mm band and the night glow. A 22 or 24mm band and a better lume would give it a solid 10 for under $500 US dollars.
Citizen's mechanical watches are pretty decent. They even launched a 38mm SARB counterpart in their lineup recently that looks pretty great. The other leg up Citizen has over other brands in my opinion is their Eco-Drive GMTs. The only Citizen I have in my collection is the BJ7100-82E Promaster GMT with a world timer bezel and a traveling GMT (or "true GMT" as some would call it). It looks great IMO and packs a lot of value.
Just binge watching your videos and I had the same thoughts when you ranked Citizen so low. I recently took my 21yr old Citizen Eco drive out of storage, recharged it, reset it by pulling the pin for 30s and hey presto off it goes and I haven't had to do anything else. How many other watches keep going for 20+ years with zero maintenance or battery changes?
Is it better to put in storage or leave in a sunny place for years?
@@ljb9983 I don't know the official advice (check the Citizen website) put now personally I'd leave it in light if I could, I didn't have that option at the time.
@@JCJW101 Thanks😊
@@ljb9983 You should definitely leave it out in the light to avoid deep discharge.
citizen watches are fantastic. I own/ have owned may Citizens. Great QC, excellent time keeping, never needs a battery. Their chronos and divers are especially good. Just try to find ones with sapphire crystal when possible. The Chandler and Attesa series are personal favorites. If you prefer smaller watches, the chandler AT0200-05E is 39mm. I've owned it for years and can say it's a great piece, even with the mineral crystal.
Good video, Ben. I have owned quit a few Citizen eco-drive watches, and they have all been solid performers. I currently have one in my collection that I've owned for 11 years, with no issues except minor scratches and an a mineral crystal gouge. But the watch has always run fine and keep good time. I have another, the Calabria, perpetual time in gold and stainless, with a black dial and gold indices (that's one you should check out; 40mm with a short lug to lug-wears beautiful on my 6.25 inch wrist). I've owned that one for 7 years, and it still runs great.
I just picked up a World-timer, GMT echo-drive, which is more of a tool watch, also very sweet. I think that there is room for improvement. I would like to see them start using more sapphire crystal placement on there models over $150.00 USD. If companies like San Martin can do it so can Citizen, Casio and Seiko. Which is another point. In all reality, I don't see a vast difference in the quality of a Citizen over a Seiko, or a Casio for that matter. I think it depends on the particular model of the brand your looking at, as with all things. Some will appeal to you and some will not. But overall, I think the big 3 Japanese watch companies are all pretty comparable, depending on the models your comparing. Some are great, and some suck. I feel the same about most Swiss and Chinese brands as well. Best regards, Mike
Your doing great. Loved your into and usual style.
Funny thing about watch rankings is that they're based on personal views. They're not like computer builds that can be arranged according to objective measurements. If Ben thinks Citizen belongs to B rank, that's fine. I do appreciate the second look though. I own a Citizen Avion and promaster divers myself which I both adore and would put at A rank along with the rest.
I have 2 citizens and i have to say they are great for what they are more than i expected, i also have omega, breitling and panerai not to compare but i wear my octavia citizen more than those others, not only funcionality and look but also for how sadly dangerous now a days is.
great video, I actually have the chance of buying this watch but am on the fence around one question if you can please answer for me. Can the band of the watch in metal be switched out for a leather band if I so wanted? Thank you
Thank you so much for this video Ben! I often bump into the same issues about Citizen but am excited for their new Automatics with the caliber 0200. I like this Citizen eco drive you reviewed in the video but wish it was 40 or 38mm with 20mm lugs. I love my Eco Drive Bryce Chrono but wish that had smaller dimensions as well.
Same! I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's a bit small at 42 mm, but can't complain otherwise!
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Bloody brilliant video, Ben.
You can't put them in a low tier because you don't like the styling - the quality is there. I got a CQ in 1995 and it still runs great and looks chic.
Sure I can, it's my tier list after all. Not gonna wear something that I don't like the look of unless it serves a very niche purpose
@@BensWatchClub Yeah but you consider yourself a reviewer right? The point of a review is to be objective. You might not like the styling but someone who watches your review might like it. Plus if you don't like the styling of citizen watches this does not mean they are bad in terms of quallity. Also, in this video you say you don't like it because you have small wrist. How is that Citizen's problem? This is your problem. Learn what "review" is.
The point of reviewer is being objective? Good luck opening your own channel, being "objective" there and realising that tons of people disagree with you, even calling you names because of that . Try communicating for thousands of people and know the wild madness of the variety in human beings' thoughts, bro.
Besides, let people have opinions, man. This is not a science channel.
I have this in my collection, it is a great daily wear for work. As it is titanium it took a while to get used to as it’s so light I would forget that I had a watch on.
It is also a great Budget Bond alternative to the Aqua Terra
I have a eco drive sapphire titanium for 10 years. Very similar to the one from the video. Never charged and not a single scratch. Looks good. What else do I need from a watch? 10 out of 10
I love my Eco Drive and the second hand and hour and minute hands line up bang on with the index markers. It's a Chrono and around £220-250. I've owned watches 3 times more expensive that weren't as good or comfortable on the wrist.
I think depending on the watch family, Citizen ranks lower or higher depending on several factors. For instance, Promaster, Super Titanium, some Stilettos, etc are great, great watches. Other options, such as the Chandler look quite cheap (however they could be good ones).
I got my Citizen titanium eco drive for 5 years now and it doesn't have a single scratch yet. I only set the time twice a year. I've never experienced errors or malfunctions of any sort. I have a small wrist and yet it sits quite comfortable...
Sir, I have doubt regarding the Citizen watch movement number. May I know the numbers that printed on your watch surface are the same as that carved on the back cover ?
Citizen are one of the best watch companies, innovative technology. Eco-drive, great job of titanium. I have two citizens, both eco drive. one titanium radio controlled then another stainless steel. My other watch is a sporty G shock
Are there any ankle watches you recommend?
Just bought the PCAT chrono atomic watch. Stoked to see it in person. It looked great on reviews
Just got a Citizen "Garrison" Eco Drive AW0050-82E and it's very well made for its price, the seconds hand does line up with the minutes marks. Worth looking at!
Big fan of the channel, Ben! Usually agree with your videos, but have to disagree with this one. The build quality, engineering and selection of Citizen watches is pretty much unmatched by any of its competitors on the affordable end of the market. In particular, their affordable dive watch range is excellent - 200m divers, both eco drive and autos for under 200 quid. The NY00 selection look good on small wrists (like mine) and were even used by the Italian Navy for 10 years. Quality watches!
I have been flying Citizen Eco-Drives for years, and have never had a hand alignment issue. My current CC9015-54E isn't in your price range, but it does allow you to micro -set all the hands separately. I've never had to use it, though.
I have two Citizen watches and the alignment issue is spot on. Putting that aside though they are some of the best quartz watches I have owned. Accurate and the Eco-Drive is amazing. Unlike other solar watches I have not found the need to replace a battery.
I got myself two brand new Citizen Eco Drive for less $900 from the their website when it was on sale. The watches are powered by any light sources, one is a World Chronograph A-T (AT8113-04H) and the other is a Super Titanium Armor (CA7050-57H) both are high quality and beautifully made watches. Great content and thanks for sharing.
I have a number of citizen watches and I think they are great. If you were to rate watches on a price to engineering and quality basis, I think they would be placed right at the very top of the tree. Obviously that's just my view. However, an ecodrive motor together with titanium and sapphire crystal is pretty hard to beat
You just gotta look for a good one. Check out the citizen BM8240. 36mm. Eco-Drive.
Ben - take a look at the Citizen Collection NB1050-59A. Sakura watches has it listed for $408 USD - so this falls nicely in the 'mid-range' Citizen tier. It is simple, elegant, and serves as one of my dailies. It houses a 9000-series Miyota, so at that price point, it is well worth it - and not to mention 38mm, sapphire crystal, and 10 bar WR.
I've got a Promaster Tough super titanium (BN0118-12L) as my daily beater, simple clear uncluttered dial, monocoque case and Kevlar strap, nigh on indestructible. I've got G shocks too but they are just so thick and uncomfortable when worn under cuffs such as motorbike jacket and gloves. I'm also not a fan of Casio analogues (or mostly analogues) as per the vid. Personal taste plays a big part be it a conscious or unconscious decision. I guess having teeny little wrists is a consideration too ;)
I have two Citizen watches in my collection. One Promaster and one Chronomaster, both are excellent watches in their own right. The promaster rivals Seikos SKX series and the Chronomaster is on par with Grand Seiko in terms of finish while offering perpetual calendar and solar recharge.
Noooo you didn't.....my friend,no one but no one compares to Grand Seiko they are at another level,many Galaxies away from another watch brands wend it comes to finishing and movement for that matter.
@@Zzzzalazar I have both Grand Seiko and Citizen in my collection so I'm sure of it.
@@endusima well,don't take it personally but you need to perfect your stainless steel skills or maybe you need new glasses,you can't possibly compare the level of finishing of Grand Seiko with entry-level Citizen, just saying ( I don't own GS watches but I have seen many documentaries about GS finishing techniques, not even Patek
@@Zzzzalazar Citizen chronomaster is not an "entry level Citizen". It is their premium line and uses the same zaratsu technique as GS. You obviously don't know what you are talking about if you thought Chronomaster is entry level, on top of that you don't even own a GS.
Citizens are amazing even in the luxury class (such as the Chronomaster), comparing detail wise to a Grand Seiko, but unfortunately you have to import those from Japan. I guess there's not much of a North American market for such things, likely due to the preconceptions most of us have regarding Citizen.
Citzen watches are amazing especially with the watches they have their main focus on when it comes to technology. Such as the chronomaster line and their new mechanical movements.
Ive got one citizen and I really do like it, I like the design of a lot of their models and if you’re going premium quartz then solar seems like a no brainer, but I definitely agree on all of your critiques. I don’t have that small of a wrist but to me comfort and wearability comes first. I would definitely have more of them if they were alittle smaller, take 1-2mm off of each model and there is a handful that I would be looking into getting.
I do watch repair. I didn't care for your tier list. Although, I find that the case with most "influencers/collectors/etc." More people tend to get info from them, and shrug off my opinions when I'm the one taking apart watches daily. Oh well. 🤷🏻♂️
Would love to hear your version of the tier list… it’s not often you get to hear an actual professional’s opinion on reliability etc
I've recently got an NY-0040 and must say it's placed me firmly in the Citizen fanboy camp whilst completely agreeing with your criticisms regarding their range. Most of their watches are indeed too large and their designs are indeed a little bland when viewed as a whole.
I do however strongly urge you to get your hands on a black dial NY-0040, it's possibly the best automatic diver you can get in the sub £200 price point. It's ISO rated to 20atm with genuine Special Forces heritage with the Marina Militare (who internally tested the watch successfully to 500m) and looks so good in the flesh with that inky dial.
Totally agree. I have the blue sunburst dial and it looks awesome on a tan leather strap.
Thank you and a very well done video! Seiko is good but is obviously more geared to automatics while Citizen products are geared more to quartz watches. My very first diver's watch was an Aqualand and I have bought Citizen watches ever since becuase the quality and aesthetics of their watches are solid. Casio's quality has come up too and I like their Oceanus and Edifice lines. The kind of watch one buys or likes is soley up to the consumer. However, I have consistently been pleased with Citizen's products.
I have been very happy with the automatic Citizen C7 re-issue I bought (NH8390-20L). It's pretty much the perfect watch for me. The shiny dark blue dial (comes in some other colors as well) is absolutely gorgeous, it tells the time, day and date, and it works both in casual and formal occasions. It was my first automatic, so I was a bit afraid it would not keep the time very well, but so far it has been very accurate.
The normal price for it in my country is 279€, which is not bad at all, but I got it for 199€, which is an absolute steal for such a good watch. It looks more expensive than it is, and the one in white and gold and a brown strap also looks very fancy, if that's more your style. The downsides would be no sapphire glass and only 5 ATM, but I'll probably just get some Casio for all my sports and outdoors needs.
I have like 9 citizen watches. reasonable price, good looking, and never have to worry about the battery.
Hmmm, Casio make some attractive analogue faced watches and then deface them with putrid Digital displays.🤢🤮
You have to try the JP2000. An iconic Citizen with solid feel and satin finished built quality.
Picked up my first Citizen Ecodrive about 12 years ago and bought another last year(Green strap watch from @9:18).
Great watches.
Don't hate.
God damn some of those comments were rude. Those people need to calm down, its just a silly watch tier video.
their promasters are great. save the hate for timex
Why hate on Timex? They do a great job at what they do. Some of the price points are a bit high for their reissues but people obviously are willing to pay for the vintage look.
@@dougdavidson3260 they do a shit job at what they do. every time i give them a chance, timex lets me down. they are ultra low quality
In November 2022 I purchased my first Citizen watch, the Citizen Promaster Land Titanium. It is a JDM watch so I hard to import into the US, but it was worth it. Case diameter 39mm, sapphire crystal, blue dial, titanium bracelet, Eco Drive (I prefer automatic watches but decided to give it a try). The hands alligns nicely with the Arabic numerals and indices. This happened to be a model that has the radio controlled settings that only properly work in Japan, but there are a couple of work-arounds to use it in the US, and you can still set it manually which I orefer using. So far the accuracy is superb, and I'm very happy with the overall design. My only disappointment was that the week after ordering the watch in blue, I found the model with a green dial that I would have much preferred. I've considered selling the blue and using the proceeds to order the green, but I admit I do like the blue. Probably my biggest complaint about Citizen is that many of their watches have case diameters well over 40mm, which is too large for my small wrist. My other gripe is that too many of the dials are really busy with all the displays the have. I prefer a dial that's simple. The Promaster Land fit the bill. Ordering and having it shipped (I found this one at a shop in Spain) to the US ran $425 USD, which I found very competitive for what you get with this watch.
Hey Ben great review yet again. I'm not sure if you have reviewed this brand yet. But you should try Momentum watches I don't personally own one but ive seen them around alot more now.
Casio is god tier, wish I could subscribe twice.
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Oh a Nico's viwer i see
Okay, Nico.
I have always rated citizen higher than Seiko. I’ve owned both, the Seiko quality has always been worse, never understood why Seiko is more popular with watch snobs.
probably because of grand seikos. I only have one watch which is a citizen but i want a seiko because of the lumibrite hands and they offer 10 bar water resistance at a low price
Because Seiko offers more automatics and better designs in the American market.
Does the second hand on eco driven Citizen watches shake/ jitter?
Only clicked on this as I’m wearing a Titanium Citizen Attesa BL5530-57L as my work watch haha. Been impressing me over time and still quite a pretty piece with depth.
I have a Citizen Tough, sapphire and 200M water resistance, great lume, all for a tad over $200 via Amazon (217 I think). it's my do everything, go anywhere watch with classic design elements. But I think Citizen's worst issue is a lack of clear design language across the models, except where the DL is "cram the dial full of shit of varying sizes and complexity."
Citizen choice of bernie
Ben: Here's my opinion...
The internet: Your opinion is wrong
I bought the Citizen field watch that you mentioned at 9:17 about a month ago, and I've barely taken it off. It does the job perfectly; easy to read dial and simple to set up. I'm still relatively new to watches but I think this one was a good choice to start off with. The only negative with it was the strap which I found to be a bit cheap and flimsy, however after changing it out for a leather one its much more comfortable.
Agreed! After several years the field watch is still my daily watch. I like it a lot but I am not afraid to use it, so it gets more time on my wrist. And the case diameter is reasonable. Excellent choice!
Citizen make great watches for the price... They also make a good amount of "too big and bulky" versions as well. I think you had them in the right tier though. They have some work to do to get moved up.
Have 2 citizens and have been very happy with them. Have held up well and a warranty issue was handled well despite happening during covid
Thanks for posting the video. I think you should try some more Citizen models. I own several Citizens as my grab and run pieces alongside my old Tag Link ct1110. I haven't worn my Orange Monster much in the last two years as it doesn't fit in with my work and it has a short power reserve. My 2004 Seamaster is getting worn less and less because of the 44 hour power reserve. Seriously considering one of 'The Citizen' HAQ models like the AQ4080 from a JDM dealer.
I have an everyday eco drive and a Titanium automatic dressy Citizen. I live em both.
My only gripe is the lack of Mico adjustments.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day.
Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other watch
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Hilarious intro. That's how to start a vid:)
The official Citizen UK range is very poor compared to what is available elsewhere. Even the European market gets a much wider and more interesting range, so it pays to look at the grey import market.
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day.
Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other citizen watch
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But you got the "Ray Mears".
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Ben! Have you seen the NB1050? That may be worth taking a look at, it's a size, value, and style that seems to be within your preference. High-beat automatic with sapphire and duratect coating, under $500.
I'm waiting delivery of AW1147-52L. and I have to say it wasn't on my shortlist, I discoverd it window shopping in the city.
Some watches need to be view by the naked eye
You are right about the size. I have this exact same watch (got it in Gloucester when I was over there). I love it, and it is one of my two daily drivers (solar G-shock being the other one). It looks dressy enough for a suit, and tough enough for every day. The only wear is some scratches on the clasp.
You are mostly right. I wish that it were 2mm smaller, and with a 20mm lugs. I tried mine with a 22mm NATO, but it just didn't look right, probably due to the size. The lume is great, but it needs a bit more, and the 12:00 marker should be bigger. I also wish the date window was beveled. The face is thick due to the need for a solar panel, and the date can get lost in the shadows. Otherwise, I think this is practically perfect.
As to the Casio.... Nope. There is something classy about a three-hand analog watch. The digital window on the Casio ruins the dressy appearance. You might as well go for a G-Shock.
A fine watch! But I am totally with you - the size is just too big on me! With a bigger wrist, an absolutely fantastic option! I actually have been realling liking the Citizen offerings lately. Cannot wait to see what they bring us next!
I got Citizen AT8185-71E. It's black so it's a neutral/safe color. One can't ever go wrong with black & it's stunning! Especially during the day. My wife tried to take it as my "gift to her" lol
Very satisfied with the purchase as I've never seen the design/layout in any other citizen watch
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You should take a look at the Citizen NB1050-59L. I think it is better than seiko's SARX and SARB line. It also has a slimmer movement compared to seiko ones.
I have Citizen Calibre with moon dial since 2003/2004 (dont remember for sure when I got it) with black leather band. It is still working on original capacitor. No problems with it and still looks very good compared to modern watch designs.
I also recently got their pro master diver, which is my fav diver watch and old skyhawk 2000gt ( I like this skyhawk design more than anything else). I got skyhawk used and had to replace capacitor.
I personally like all 3 a lot.
Citizen NY0040 or NY0085 should be enough of a proof that Citizen belongs in the A. Great true divers for smaller wrists despite the 42 mm (bezel is less + short lug to lug). Also, BM8180 should be right down your alley with its 37 mm. Overall the build quality is above both Casio and Seiko but I get that the design language is not for everyone.
Citizen Eco-Drive watches are among the best value watches available, you just have to wait and buy them when they are on discount. The quality is really excellent and you don't have to bother with changing batteries, ever. So I would say for quartz watches, Citizen ranks in the S tier. Full disclosure: my two daily drivers are both Citizen Eco-Drive titanium and sapphire watches. And I love them.