LS Oil Pump Shimming- (correct method)
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Much easier than other methods I've seen. Thanks.
Thanks for that tidbit of information. Getting ready to rebuild 5.3L LC9 block and this looks to be the easiest method for centering the gear.
Thanks for the video. Used it to set mine up tonight after my first cam install. Feels good knowing it’s all done and done right.
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Nicely explained
I always wonder why people skip this simple step on, arguably, the most important engine component.
Because many guys don’t know that it is necessary. TH-cam is full of them.
because the pump manufacturers (melling) void your warranty if you remove the front cover. Also if it was so crucial, GM service would have a procedure for centering the pump. They don't.
@ Kyle Allen
On my LS1 I installed a new Melling oil pump by priming the oil pump before I installed onto the crankshaft. Good oil pressure to this day.
I'd say that it IS the most important component!!! Without it, you could dump a $100,000 into your engine, and it wouldn't run for more than several seconds before it took itself back apart again!!
Thank You sir for the informative and simple process of shimming the oil pump. Keep up the good videos. Have A Productive Day! 🛻🚚🚛
Wow - that is vastly simpler than the other methods I've seen.
I'm performing a LS rebuild procedure very soon and I'm subbing you because you sound very helpful
This video is perfect. Only thing I would ask, and I know it’s weird, is how to install an oil pump on an ls while the engine is still in a car or truck. I’m looking to do a cam and pump upgrade.
What size shims are you using?
Great video like always,,,was wondering about a in depth video on a break in how to,,,thanks again,,,
Thank you for your time sir.
Very helpful.
All your vids are awesome brother.
God bless
Great video from Australia 🇦🇺
lol, Melling says finger tight and lap the crank, toque the mounting bolts and send it. That is a sure fire BOOM. I like this method way better than the 4
My man! Quick and simple video.
thank you for another excellent video
So what size shims or feeler gauges did you use?
.002”-.0025”
@@reeljamescooperI was coming here to comment the same thing. He literally said it in the video
I am amazed that shops still just bolt those pumps on and not 'center' em ! Been building the ls motors since about 2001... center the pumps on every one of em. Some pumps only allow .0015".... that is tightest i've seen.
That is the best method i have seen for that.
All you need to increase soil pressure is 3245 mm bolt washers underneath that spring cap on the oil pump itself. You don't need to buy all these extra colored Springs. The spring that's in it works fine. Just shove the damn thing like we've been doing for decades. It's amazing how many people keep trying to reinvent the freaking wheel. It also doesn't help that there is at least 3 oil pressure relief valves on an LS motor. And one of them Works after the bypass valve that's in the oil filter.
Best procedure I've seen
Thankyou for the video. I’m getting ready to do this prospect in my truck
What about priming, if necessary?
What I was looking for. Putting in a Melling HV pump soon. THANKS!
Also remember to prime the pump as well.
Update- tried to remove the cover on my new melling pump with a t30 bit.... second bolt head stripped. Wtf! Can't shim now.
Yep, Melling doesn't want you taking those out. They don't recommend this anymore.
@@1bad69xss4 Awesome, thanks for the info. I installed mine without shimming and it's still holding up and performing great after a few months of use. Glad i did it. Oil pressure is in a healthy range at idle now.
@@1bad69xss4 From what Melling's video showed was finger tight, rotate the crankshaft 360° then torque it down.
@@pointblank2910I’ll be installing mine oil pump on tbss ima just do that 360 and sent it 👍🏽🙏🏾
What timing gear set are you using on this engine?
What size feelers?
What size feeler gauges did you use ?
Obviously, you didn't watch, or can't hear......
I believe he said 0.002".
Does this have to be done to LT4 engines too??
Where's your timing chain damper?
What thickness feeler gauges are you using ? Also at what torque setting are the front oil pump cover screews torqued back down to ?
sounded like he said 2 thousand gauges and 108 inch pounds
Two 0.0025 shim and torque to 108 inch pound (i think it's around 6-8 foot pound)
So you had two of the same feeler guage thickness ?
What single row timing chain and gears do you recommend….Thanks
Very good information. I just found your channel and subbed.
Thanks I’m replacing my lq4 engine with a hv melting oil pump is the 2.5 thousand gap the sam
Thank you sir !
Is there a place for a 10296 (high volume) i use the 10295 all the time just never see anyone use the other.
Ok I’m doing my 1st LM7 , 2002 I have the stock rockers . If I want to up grade …. To what worries about clearance. I swing a new gm hi flow
Oil pump.. there was no o ring on the pick up tube . It was disintegrated . My question is what color do I need .
Nicely done 🤸♂️🏋🏄♂️
Ya what were the 2 Shim's Demissions?? I must of missed that???
What type of oil are you squirting in to it? It looks super thick.
Thank god for internet!!
Clever sir
does it have to be done in an old pump too after removing it?
I have 2018 ls3 chevy perf. crate motor 495 hp. Should I use the 10295 or 10355
Thank you for a great video!
What’s the company you work for I keep hearing you say smetting or something in the other videos. Was wanting to see y’all’s products
Is it worth it to do this on a 2002 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3ls I'm replacing the oil pump and was wondering if I should do this or is it just a waste of time
What size feelers to use or is it best to measure the gap on one side to work out the size needed?
What gasket kit brand do you use on your builds?
Do I need the high volume high pressure oil pump, or stock volume high pressure pump for a btr stg 3 blower cam and lsa supercharger with 2.45 pulley? Roughly 700 wheel on E
Video was very helpful
Amazing. U da man with the plan
Its easy when you have it out and you have full control not like in real life
What does the other spring do? Add pressure? Or volume? I’m gonna be running about 1000hp with a turbo and was told to get a high volume oil pump but then was told it’ll suck my stock pan dry. So will this Melling one with that spring suffice and not suck anything dry?
Really need to be aligned?
Whats the measurement on the two feeler gauge
.002 & .0025
Melling has a video of correct method per their instructions. No feeler gauges no taking it apart either.
Hi there I have a 2002 chevy avalanche and I have low oil pressure its below 40 at idle and when I'm running 45 or 50mph it's at 40 to 42 and it has 249000 on the truck and had a lot of sludge in the motor do you think a new oil pump will fix the problem I done cleaned out the oil pan and pickup tub ?
cant go wrong with a new oil pump, it could also stop lifter tap also cause the lifters wont be starving for oil anymore
@@mctigmctiggy1475 most of them are, number 1 rule, you dont look at them lol
What kinda oil pump and timing set did you use
Sweet👍
Great idea. Thanks.
Were can I get them gauges?
I just blew my 2nd gm oil pump on my 2016 silverado HD 6.0... looking at a melling. What setup would you recommend? I tow a camper, and do not want to change it a 3rd time lol
You got other problems if your oil pump quit working twice.
Damn there are a lot of modifications for this engine to do it indestructible this mod the mod of drilling the pistons oil rings with 2 holes in each side for oil to go back the mod of the oil squirts the holes on the crack shaft to oil the piston the oil pressure pump springs and much more I tell you I am going to buy a a Chevy 5.3 single cab just to do all of this mods to see how much miles Can i put that engine make it my daily.
Very nice!
Why didnt you replace the chain guide for the timing chain? I have a cluster fuck on my hands after my brother passed away, and dont understand why he left off the guide as I put this camaro ls back together.
Damn bro, sorry for your loss.
These Rollmaster timing chains are incredibly tight compared to stock chains and do not require tensioners or guides.
What oil pump is that? Do u have part number. Also is it high volume?
Melling 10295, high pressure, std volume
What happen if you don't do this low oil pressure?
You run the risk of the gears breaking
Well done!
Why use gear oil? It gets flushed with engine oil as soon as the engine starts
@@Mr572u I thought he used assembly lube. It’s thicker, and stickier to help pull oil initially.
Whats size filler
genius!
What size is that
Did you use gear oil inside the pump? What weight?
Engine assembly lube
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That's what she said! Ha!
There is no reason at all to do this GM doesn't even do this
I just changed my pump to a Melling 10psi over stock... No more tics, value train is noticeably quitter However I skipped this step....Dooh
where do I apply to get time time back I waster watching this df video??
Meh my 250k mile pick up I just slapped it in gave it 3 ugga duggas and called it good.
I’ve put 20 LS engines together and NEVER aligned the oil pump. Reason being is as soon as you get it all done and remove the shims, guess what that gear is gonna do…. FALL AGAINST THE CRANK GEAR
Useless unless you tell us what thicknesses
Hey man, So im having an issue with belt to where its riding on the edge of my ati balancer everywhere on the accessory drive theres no issue. So it looks like my balancer is in too far. Do you think the oil drive was installed incorrectly? Or does that have nothing to do with it
This is the same technique I used on my 2005 5.3 with a new Melling M295HV pump. I could only get 0.0015" feelers into it though --- but it got centered just like yours. Thanks for making me feel good about doing this pump.
Same here!
What size feeler gauges ??
wow i’m actually really glad I stumbled upon this video, i’m pretty new to LS engines and i’m doing an oil pump on my truck here shortly and this popped up on my suggested. thanks 👍
Which oil pump are you using? Melling doesn’t recommend feeler gauges anymore
Melling doesn't even show this in their install video... i offer Warranties with my engines. Ive had an average of 2 out of 20 ruin a crank in break in. I couldnt understand why. But i started doing this and i havent had a claim since.... i been looking for this video that taught me this, for months. thank you
Awesome explanation. I’ve always done this. But i like your method better, by removing the shims. When you torque down the cover, there’s usually two of the bolt holes that have flattened edges, making them look slotted. I believe they are there to center the cover and should be the first two to install and snug down.
Wow..... I would have just slapped it on and never thought about it needing adjustment. Thanks for the video, I'll be doing this job soon.
I did slap it on my first ls engine. Why? Because my 2000 factory shop manual made no mention of this!!! I'd bet money that the newer editions do. Remember, back in 2000, these engines and manuals were only in their 4th year of production, and new, better methods get discovered over time......
Mellings website says put oil pump on and rotate crank 360deg then torque oil pump melling does not tell you to take the pump cover off
@@TheJdizzle02 I have also seen, and read about this method. I'm sure this procedure would work, too.....
@@milojanis4901 the high volume oil pump I installed didn't have enough clearance for a .0015
@@TheJdizzle02 how I do all mine install turn engine over and trq them
Finally a video that shows the proper install of a LS oil pump! it is refreshing to find a youtube HOW TO video from someone that knows HOW TO! Thanks so much!
How do you know this is a correct "How To"? Just some guy with a cell phone lol
@@Utubegofukurself Been building LS engines since 1997!
@@mewrongwayKOCXFIm sorry, did i dispute that?
@@mewrongwayKOCXF oh and, Melling says WRONG
@@Utubegofukurself Did Melling design the LS engine? Did Melling design the LS oil pump? No they just copy OEM parts and sell them for a profit!
I been building LS engines since 1997 and the LS did not appear in anything but a vette until 98. That tell ya anything? Does the fact that gears in a diff are set up with a certain clearance just like a LS pump, That tell you anything? Melling is doing the same thing in a less accurate manner lol, Melling just doesn't want idiots taking there pumps apart and *u*king them up and sending them back lol! So why does all the performance parts stores sell a Butler, Sac City, ICT or other LS oil pump alignment kit consisting of over priced feeler gauges?
th-cam.com/video/DzUy1RdOx50/w-d-xo.html
That is a total waste of time. I have built HUNDREDS of LS motors and have never wasted time doing what you did and guess what ?
Never had one single oil pump fail.
I think you sit around thinking of totally unnecessary things so you can make another video and get some more TH-cam cash.
Doing my first LS build and this has been really helpful. Thank you.
I've installed thousands of these oil pumps over the years and have never done this or heard of this and have never had Any failures or low oil pressure do to pump failure
Testify brother, it's just a damn oil pump. These idiots all want to stroke each other over this crap.
Your method absolutely worked for me cause my 685hp ls1 is still alive and excellent oil pressure...thanks
Melling instructions are to install pump finger right. Then rotate the crank 360 degrees. Next torque pump to 18 ft/lbs and you're done. That centers that gear. Could they be wrong?
Correct b/c this will automatically push out the gears to its proper spacing and youre done. The reasoning behind this is that once it’s ☝️ tighten, the 360 rotation of the crank will set the center spacing perfectly. New mechanic vs “old school”. If you bring this into a mechanics bay - they don’t have two feeler gauges handy - plus they don’t use them anyways unless it’s a rebuild shop etc.
Sorry to disappoint you guys but you can not always make it that simple. What Melling is telling you is that for a "stock" application you can get away with simply rotating the engine 360, and torque to spec. However, for kustom builds, generating generous power, "while changing out the stock spring to the COPO spring", just as this video is stating that this in fact is the application, you must shim the outer gear, utilizing .002 gauge then torque to spec. If you dont, the pump will fail. I have the destroyed pump and timing cover to prove it. You will only make that mistake once! I have a good deal of engine building experience and by far this is the most comprehensive video I have come across.
Melling, a huge retailer of oil pumps says just to rotate the crankshaft 360 degrees before final torque specs. They also show on their yt uploads. Which is correct?
Yes this is correct, this guy is wasting time and knowledge for nothing
@@siclt1 Sorry to disappoint you guys but you can not always make it that simple. What Melling is telling you is that for a "stock" application you can get away with simply rotating the engine 360, and torque to spec. However, for kustom builds, generating generous power, "while changing out the stock spring to the COPO spring", just as this video is stating that this in fact is the application, you must shim the outer gear, utilizing .002 gauge then torque to spec. If you dont, the pump will fail. I have the destroyed pump and timing cover to prove it. You will only make that mistake once! I have a good deal of engine building experience and by far this is the most comprehensive video I have come across.
melling instructions in the box mentioned none of this, i just sent her down and been great pressure for years. technically all it should change is the ratio of compression because it floats offset anyway. if it was so important there would be dowels for the oil pump
Thanks man ! That was helpful as I am planning to rebuild my LM7 engine. 🇨🇦🤘
I would like to learn more about these l.Yes.Engines, I'm old school.350 was the last engine I.Rebuild, so I'm trying to find out all the information I can about rebuild A.L.S engine because I definitely don't want to mess up.Thank you
Nope, it's not centering anything unless you shim the crank, too, as the crank is actually sitting on the bottom of the bearing. Go ahead, put a guage on the crank, grab it , pull up on it, and watch how far it moves.
It takes oil pressure to center the crank in its bearing. Otherwise, gravity brings that heavy hunk of steel downward until it rests on the bottom bearing
Which side does the thrust bearing go on the cam gear itself I have the same kit but doesn’t specify which side
Good job made it a lot more simple