Should a DIY Type Be Using a Rotary Polisher?
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And yet I've just watched a video by Yvan Lacroix who says the complete opposite - a DA is faster at cutting, and a rotary is better for finishing.
Rotary work is really a practiced art form. Once you get the pacing, pressure, and correct posture down it's actually quite simple. Even more, being a good rotary polisher will make you an even better orbital polisher, because the basics are the same despite the orbital having a higher threshold of safety and lower barrier to entry. I recommend looking up some of Paul Dalton's older polishing videos, he always focused heavily on rotary technique and he made it look really smooth and easy.
Well said.
totally agree with you. being a veteran of rotary it made me a much better DA guy when I do use them
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“Pick up the bead” thank you I just learned something new! I’m going to try that next time I compound.
Just use a little soapy water and clay! 😊
I first used a machine to polish in 2006 and that was a Porter Cable DA. I moved up to a rotary a couple of years later. I switched to the Rupes LHR’s 3 years ago but still have my rotary which I use for spot pad work now ( can’t justify the price of a nano!). I’m really glad I can use a rotary because used properly a rotary will correct in half the time. It’s a handy skill to have even though I rarely use it.
Awesome video Matt! When I watch the video from Optimum with Ivan I think he said it best, slowest speed, no pressure. Thank you for your work here, I appreciate it.
I think mastering the rotary is like mastering straight pool: once you've done it, you can handle anything else thrown at you.
Exactly
I never used a rotary. Now that i see this video I think I will never use one. We do really good job with the DA so we will stick to it. Great video.
This is why I enjoy Matt, he shows his mistakes and learning curve with shame. A lot of people hide their flaws and he doesn't. Well done brother.
If he slows down the D.A. , he'll be able to remove that haze
Just did my car today with a rotary funnily enough.
Rotaries are my favourite by far
I started on rotaries over 20 years ago. You were absolutely right, White pad on speed 2.5 would of cleaned that up nicely. Your gut instinct was totally right imo
Stick with the rotary. It’s art mate
I love my rotary!
great video obsessed garage, I missed this one and only just noticed it now. Jason is awesome.
Awesome video thanks for sharing.
Been doing Yacht detailing for 22 years with a rotary using a 9 inch wool pad.I wish yachts were all painted, gelcoat is so much harder to bring back.
My first job at 16 years old was washing cars at a local car dealership. $2 an hour :) and one of the jobs I had to do was detail some of the worst paint finishes on used cars. I learned how to work a rotary polisher using 10-inch lambswool pads. The first thing I was told was don't burn the paint. So you kept the pad moving with even constant pressure. Rotary polishers can be your friend once you learn how to use them.
I've been painting cars for 25 years. When I started painting and buffing cars back then a lot of painters didn't want to show you how to paint, buff or anything. but I use a rotary buffer and I can finish faster then using a da. I tried a da and it's good to know both but I just don't have the time to do both. If you really learn how to use a rotary buffer u will be able to do everything with a rotary a lot faster and time is money.
I'm 100% with you on this one. I have had my dewalt rotary for 15 years it finally died on me so I let the TH-cam experts talk me into da polisher had to literally throw it away and went back to the DeWalt.
I cannot wait to polish now or before I hated it
Ivan Lacroix uses a rotary for fine polishing and finishing DA for cutting
I think to the question about why would you pick up a rotary instead of a DA is because... in some cases i’ve come to a panel that won’t correct easy, it’s tough as hell, pick up a rotary with a wool pad and hammer in and you can get it done faster, more efficiently, less work, using rotary and DA i think they both benefit each other, like finishing down with a DA is easier then rotary, but if you have time on your side finishing down with rotary for me is more rewarding, i feel the paint is that bit more sharper ( personal preference)
Well said.
Absolutely agree
if you know how to use a rotary you’ll finish way better with rotary been in the paint refinishing and car body for decades have tried every type of polisher none beats a rotary
Rotary Polisher’s are great, but can go Pear Shaped very quickly for the inexperienced! Great Video👍👍
Ok so I want to do that priming trick in my garage right now.
thanks Matt
Great video very informative.
Matt great video bro. Thank u
loved this. thank you. i personally believe rotary can be much quicker if you learn to use it.
With Larry doing stuff with Kevin and you with Jason/Dylan we are spoiled. Thanks!
Craig Seifert hahaha totally!
Well said. Every beginner with a rotary . Use a smaller size pad. I started off with 8 inch . Was a lot harder to control compared to the 6 inch. Much better control . Rotary is still king.
Thanks for vid! I just tried a large wool pad and taped off the trim, and the polish flew up on the windows, the roof, the hood, wipers area, sides of bed of truck, front fender, I was only buffing a small part of door,. ya I'm a noob. The rotary worked amazing on the paint!! I have a five inch backing pad and 5 different foam pads coming tomorrow, hoping I can get better at not getting sling everywhere, wasn't expecting it to be that big of a thing.
Great video. Rotary tools are the best removing huge defects! Cut max from Sonax and this... Just perfect 👌 DA with perfect finish and you're done!
Sonax is amazing stuff.
I love my pe14 and kompakt and pretty much do all my edge work, tight space polishing, and heavy work with them. They are really versatile and with the low speed machines available now are very safe.
Bro I love how you’re like “what’s the point” I follow you because I share the same logic. I can’t get behind something unless it’s justified haha. It’s too bad you didn’t have beat up paint like I always see!
Best advice when using a rotary 👍👍👍👍👍
Rotary is king in almost all situations except for 1 steps in my opinion. I’ve have every Rupes machine but my makita rotary never sits on the shelf for any thing more then to be cleaned up lol. Learn the rotary. It’s twice if not three times as fast at doing work then DAs.
It's also removing more material and will require more work to fix what rotary leaves behind.
Obsessed Garage That’s why I measure each area I do. For me in terms of safety there is a lot of misunderstanding in the rotary world, it’s still a great tool and is far less expensive to run overall in the right hands. Less vibration, and you can remove less material at a lesser rate at a lower speed.. I still use all my machines, but if I have something that is hammered... rotary cutting all the way. Less hammered? Then LHR21, LHR75 and my ibrid...
@@matthewnorton1080 what if my car has really good paint and I just want to do a little maintenance on it? Can I do a one step with meguiars m210 and an ultra fine pad?
16:13 looked like Jason was like dude its like holding any otherpolisher haha ;p
DA stalls. Don’t like feel use. Rotary feels pro. Slow down if heat up. Cannot think of a reason to use a DA over a rotary. Can anyway suggest???? I’m new to compounding polishing.
i just learned that i really have no business using one of these. Thankfully I haven't damaged anything to bad, but they look so much fun that you want to jump right in. Thank you for posting this. Pick up the bead, let the rotary do the work ( dont man handle) and less is better. I'm sure the guy in the truck ss a smart guy, but try listening more and speaking less AND REMEMBER THE MANTRA kiss. however, i UNDERSTAND HIS ENTHUSIASM.
Best learning video on youtube
So does this mean that the dual action is still the ideal equipment for beginners in polishing? Because you don't need to apply a bead for every pass you make on the panel. I see it that way because the DA seems to be ideal if you're compounding or polishing a whole panel like a door as you just put 3 dots and then start polishing again. I think the rotary is ideal for some tight areas where the DA might accidentally hit it. I really haven't tried polishing because I don't know if going straight to the rotary as a beginner is a bad idea.
On 2 steps I always use rotary because of more gloss and the haze/hologram is easier to remove then the haze from a DA if you ask me. But it's a question of religion and skill set
I never used a dual action polisher, But it seems to be a trend now a days rotary gets the job done especially if your buffing in a three-step process.
There really isn't much of a need for a rotary any longer unless you are doing boats or really heavily messed up paint. DAs get the job done in less steps, is easier to learn, and has none of the side effects of the rotary.
@@ObsessedGarage I was looking for this answer on your videos. I watch your channel since the M3. I will buy a DA 5 inches, 15mm orbital. Cheers from Brazil Mat.
Da is for sanding that’s it Rotary is for polishing Period
I learned detailing with a rotary but haven't gone back since using a DA. This brought back memories haha!
After watching the video, i think you need to put more pressure onto the paint with the machine at a lower speed. You really need to keep that pad flat. Try using the single side handle. Works much better
@@louisalvarado6412 more product too !
I can finish better with way better results with a rotary
Da doesn’t remove much defects
@@gerryr1893 I believe is all in the technique
@@gerryr1893 thought i was doing something wrong too..DA doesn't remove defects effectively
My Rupes rotary sounds exactly the same. It has this high pitch tinny noise. Some other Rupes rotaries sound much better. Is mine defective?
Overall did you like the ride with the Rupes Rotary? I have the Mark lll, it was my first Rupes machine and I love it. Fatigue is not an issue and I’m looking to replace my rotary too.
It’s not bad. I like that it’s lighter and more compact than others.
Summary :
A successful detail business that’s pumping out a lot of cars in most cases you will find a artist inside with a rotary in his hand. I thought I could use one pretty good, but to really see a 30 yr experienced business owner do a complete correction and even Jeweled the paint with one in about 2/3 the time it would have taken me was seriously impressive. But there really is no need for 90% of the people using polishers today to learn the speed and effectiveness of a rotary due to the fact they are hobbyist or it’s just a part time income. It is a dying art sadly, thanks to evolution. The fact still remains, in the right hands on the business side it is faster.
Love the channel Matt, was going to comment when this first posted
Well said.
In my experience a DA polisher cant take out deep scratches like a 1000 grit scratch, but a rotory can. With a DA you need to sand up through some grits to get them out. Even the Flex. I work in a custom car shop , we do correction and finishes on world class cars daily.
You can put some on the pad and start You don’t have to put it on the vehicle I hate foam pads I have always used the wool buffing pad And yes I can paint and wet sand and buff I’m old school No bs
Awesome video Matt. I’ve always been a big rotary fan over the years and the Dewalt and Makita are great tools but they’re just too heavy and I don’t need anywhere near that 3500 rpm range. I’ve been itching to pick up a Flex PE14 or Festool Shinex, but that price is just too far out there for something that has been on the market for over a decade. I’ve been mulling over the LH19E for a month now, this might make me pull the trigger, it looks too sexy!
It's really nice.
Hey WaxMode, you ever pick one up?
@@bbdetailing9123 I did, and I like it! I've really become a big fan of Rupes' latest gen triggers, great ergonomics on this rotary and you definitely feel that significant weight difference compared to the full size Dewalt and Makita when you're working with it. It's not the most quiet polisher, my Dewalt edges it out on that, which is relevant to me because I frequently go out to the garage at midnight hours to pull the rotary out and run random tests. No complaints from the neighbors yet but it's always in the back of my mind to work as quiet as I can. The LH19E beats both the Flex PE14 and Festool Shinex on price which was a major driving force in me pulling the trigger for a mid-sized rotary, aside from videos like this one!
However, the reality now is the industry is going cordless. I just saw some videos on the new Dewalt cordless DA and mid-sized rotary, so I'm back to mulling. I'm beginning to realize just how much of a nuisance cord management is during polishing, it's not something you think is an issue until you realize there are options that completely eliminate the inconvenience. Hopefully we see a bunch of additional cordless polisher releases at SEMA this year to give us more options.
@@WaxMode after picking up a Dewalt and Makita at a store, I was like, too heavy. I picked up a Flex rotary and was sold on how small and light it felt. I love it, but don't use it much. Still need practice. I am surprised to hear you say the Rupes is less expensive. Did I read that right. Rupes cheaper than a Flex? Oh wow. I bet those triggers are awesome!!
I seen a post about the cordless Dewalt on IG a bit ago and been searching the web for more info. Finally saw a video today. Workshop Addict, I think. He used the DA version. As much as I like Flex, I dont have the funds, or enough jobs coming, to be able to pick up the cordless machines. I would live a direct drive cordless Flex!!! But with Dewalt being priced cheaper, I'm kind of glad I haven't picked up the cordless Flex. I have some 20v Max batteries so I could save money by buying the tool only. But man....the options we have now. I suspect Griot's will eventually get on board, too
Hey Matt, I bought a new BMW, I noticed on the roof spoiler there are some longitudinal scratches on it that look as deep as what some swirl marks usually get. I ran my finger nail across them and it seems like my nail catches on some of them, is this too deep to be repaired by polishing? I read online that if your finger nail catches on it, its too deep and needs to be painted? What do you think, should I contact my dealer?
The finger nail trick is a really good gauge to use to know how to attach the scratch. If it is that deep, I wouldn't go after removing it. I would simply try and improve it. That is generally when I would break out the 3000 grit sand paper to working on improving it.
Why not use the waffle pads generates even less heat and easier to control?
Did Rupes have waffle pads 4 years ago?
Oh that's a catchy title!!
Matt, it takes time to get the hang of it. Trust me.
George Rose is a legend
I have a question, what if some one leaves the polish on the pad for like a year after , and they use a polishing pad cleaner and let the pad dry , is it ok to use that pad again, or throw it away?
I'd toss it.
Maybe its just me but I've used both and I like a rotary more , i used it on my own car for my first time and got great results , done fast . Never had to worry about swirl marks or holograms . Maybe because I use a pad conditioner too ? Anyway check out the rag companies video , putting both and a forced action head to head . The results may surprise you
I am with you on this one I did not like da at all would you happen to have the link to the video you mentioned thank you
Damn back 15years ago when I was 18 I learnt to rotary buff myself. Funny that now when youtubing it to see if the skill has been refined. Nope still the same.
That poor truck.
Yeahhhhhhhh I'll stick with my DA. That shit was making me nervous.
i thought the central part of this video was made on a tripod lol
$150 a foot to buff a gelcoat on a boat. $175 for a buffer. Do the math haha.
I found for myself, the best way to use the rotary is using whool pad, first it is easier to use it and second, it is making less heat on the paint, so less kind of creating problems.
Same for me
You are 100 percent I hate those stupid foam pads I only use wool
It's interesting to see I feel the exact same way about da toy.
what's the point 🤣🤣
Elementary
Matt hates rotary's 😂😂😂🤣 rotary is more of a skill...no skills required for a DA that's the difference!!!!😁🤔
So that's what my haircut looks like........oh well. :)
13:11 you’re cute Matt. Your lack of knowledge of rotaries and technique is endearing
I don't know anything either!!
I think they are also considerably heavier, unless u get expensive pro-grade.. makes it hard to work on anything that isnt flat like this hood or roof. seems as if they are good for initial cutting compounding (saves time, for detailers that's a big plus) then you polish & finish with DA. For DIY'ers just get a bloody DA and forget about this
Only 28 comments?!
Ese technico no tiene estilo de trabajar
Why do they always use flat hoods no hood on a car is flat nowadays.
If you can't master rotary then you are not a good detailer so just use a da like all the amatures 😉😉😉😉😉
The guy to the right looks like Roger Waters
Great vid but the students negativity is shocking. The old saying 2 eyes 2 ears 1 mouth comes to mind. In other words watch.listen n stop moaning lol.
this video makes me never want to use a rotary lol
Mark Klein no way rotaries have their purpose. It’s what I first learned with.
There’s no need for rotaries in 2023 it’s not the 1990s anymore with the Mk3 15 I can cut just as much or EVEN BETTER than a rotary and guess what NO HOLOGRAMS so you don’t have to do as much steps meaning you will always cut and finish faster and just as efficient as a rotary if not more efficient I threw all my dewalts away no need to create more work when you can do correction and correction only DAs and forced Actions DAs Il take anyday over a rotary that you will truly never master
Just watching some old videos .. Matt you're lucky you weren't around in the old days, your inability to listen and wanting to direct and control would not have worked well for you.
You really need speak less and listen more, there is more time talking about what you're doing than time on the actual polisher.
This guy Matt thinks too much about processes and how do things I've been a detailer and a proffesional wet sander for 30 years and I will never use A da for anything a rotary is the way to go I've spent years using it daily. a da is for beginners I always cut and finish better with rotary even on fresh paint
Sounds like it’s time for you to learn something new. Doing something for a long time does equate to doing it right.
@@ObsessedGarage I learned the right way I am a master detailer I wet sand cars to a flawless finish under lights you've bought your way into the detailing industry i see your videos and laugh you buy all the latest crap and listen to what all these other guys on youtube tell you instead of having years of experience D a's do not correct like rotaries.thats why you hate them because you cant use one
Who says you are a master detailer? You? How do you get that title?
@@ObsessedGarage I detail over 70 cars from Spring to fall on top of working 2 other jobs All I've seen you do is the tail your Porsche on TH-cam videos I'm done with this conversation have fun on TH-cam
Max is a total loser!
guys spends 10 minutes on how to get polish on pad. REALLY? ridiculous
lol, that's the only part of video I was interested in, dang, I just tried a large wool pad and taped off the trim, and the polish flew up on the windows, the roof, the hood, wipers area, sides of bed of truck, front fender, I was only buffing a small part of door,. ya I'm a noob. The rotary worked amazing on the paint!!
Yes you need to stay away from edges and trim Then you be just fine ,get a smaller rotary polisher for those areas