I just love your videos, they always put a smile on my face 🙂. Not only do you impart plenty of vital information and advice, but you have a wonderful dry sense of humour which reduces apprehension for a novice rotary pilot.
Subscribed! Just bought a rotary and everyone makes it out to be extremely difficult. You answered all my questions in this 13 minute video and added a lot of value by doing so.
You are the Bob Ross of the auto detailing art. I see you have the same barber. Your voice is calm and soothing through the whole thing. I put your video on and go about my work glancing up every few minites to see how you are doing. By the time you are done I am done and both projects look great. After listening to your videos I feel like I could go out in the yard and wham bam dial the Ram right in.
I'm more versed on the DA but the rotary definitely gives a better finish. Low speed, no pressure, let the machine do the work and your process very quick and simple. Excellent video Mr. Lacroix
Great video Yvan, I don't have a rotary polisher just yet, however, I have applied your methods to my polishing process with a DA and have had much better results. Thank you for sharing so much knowledge will all of us.
Great review on using a rotary. I just tried to practice with mine on customer vehicle roof on a large SUV. It was easy to work while stretching to cover that top.
Have always buffed with a random orbital but recently obtained a dewalt rotary. Used it on an Audi q7 on some heavy defects and it looked awesome. Two days later im at the dealer and see holograms everywhere. Pulled out the random orbital and fixed it but after watching some of your videos I know what I did wrong and id like to give it another chance. Thanks for the video!
I learned more from this short video than I have watching hours of DA video's for paint correction. As a detailer at a high volume Toyota Dealership (Soft paint) I thank you Yvan. Looking forward to the new work week as we have an 'olskool' rotary I've never used and hoping to see a difference from the Rupes LHR-21 I currently use. Cheers, :)
hey friend, how do you aproach these japanese very soft paints that become sticky. because ive learned the hard way! whats your aproach so you dont burn some soft clear?
When I start doing this as a business I had to choose to buy one machine because I didn’t have enough money to afford both rotary and DA and I preferred the rotary. I had to learn how to deliver a great polish work with no marks just using rotary. They are pretty good, and like you said, it’s the machine that leaves marks but who is behind it. Thanks for the content.
One of your best videos yvan, keeping the rotary alive. The Industry needs to fully adopt spray polishes like the one I've used for 12 years and optimum polish. Keep those pads clean, what I've been saying for yonks. Pad washer makes it easier than ever
@@Detailers-Business-Academy its time for more manufacturers to throw those old formulas out and make the switch but do many of them really care to bother, that's the question.
do you also cut with the rotary? at what exception would you use a rotary to cut instead of a DA or vice-versa and why? i just got my rupes lh19e and thought it would do the job to cut because i buy and sells cars from 2010 models to 2015 and most of them are extremely neglected and all kind off different depth scratches but now i'm confused with how you would proceed to DA cutting and rotary finishing ( all i'm looking for is to make my cars look great enough to sell for top dollar, not get them showroom condition)
@@rochlanteigne5123 I normally use a DA to cut. The exception being in tight areas, a rotary is sometimes the only way to correct an area efficiently. Sometimes hand polishing is the only way to correct paint (like under door handles). If you aren't going for near perfection, none of this really matters. I find a DA cuts better with most modern pads/abrasives, while adding some safety. You can do a refining polish with a DA too, but sometimes soft, dark paint is too finicky for the more violent action of a DA, no matter how soft of pad you use. You can use a rotary to cut, as well. You just need to be more careful and have good technique on body lines and edges so you don't burn through. When I polish/refine with a rotary, I use a very low speed (never more than 30% of full speed) and careful not to add any pressure from my hands. I think you would be best off by going over the vehicles with a good all-in-one (rupes UNO advanced) paired with light to medium cut pad - depending on how hard the paint is you are working on. Just go after the light defects, but you will make the paint glossy as heck. Plus, you will spend minimal time, make the cars look good to 99% of people, and you aren't removing much material so there is minimal risk in doing any damage. You made a good purchase to do what you want to do - a quick polish on your inventory. Use a slow speed, dont fight the machine - more of guiding it in the direction you want, stay off body lines as much as possible, you shouldn't have any issues. If you find you are leaving marks behind from your machine, slow the speed down and use a less aggressive pad.
@@scottmattern482 hey scott thank you so much to elaborate over the topic as much as you did, i do have a clear understanding of why you would use 1 over the other, great tips i'll see how this will work out for me 👍🏼
Thanks for getting me over the hump and into using the rotary, I've been using it more frequently and enjoying every minute of it. I think one of your most under-rated bits of wisdom is posture and working a controlled area from shoulder to shoulder... the results are better, achieved more quickly and with less fatigue. Sometimes the smallest pearls yield the greatest returns.
Very good informative video, I want to get into using a rotary to get that perfect finish especially on my carbon roof on my ZR1 but I hesitate just from all the horror stories I’ve heard.
Very great video ! My 16 year old D.A Porter Cable broked (LOL) and I purchased a small rotary polisher. Already learned from you : pad always flat on surface, low speed always, let the machine do the job : no pressure,, waffle pads , don't do long lateral movements getting out of reach , don't dance with the machine (making artistic performatic passes) and keep good posture . Amazing content ! Perhaps someday you can make a vid about rotary polisher on concave and convex surfaces 🙌. Repetition is the soul of learning. keep up the good videos !
Finally after years of nonsense on the internet. I always polished with a rotary. I’d use a DA on a new car before sealing or coating only for the sake of preserving clear coat and not achieving perfection. I’ve never removed compounds off panels when moving into a less abrasive polish. I only tape off plastic trim so I don’t burn it and on emblems to give myself less clean up after. No one is spending 20+ hours with 2 machines and a mise en place of polishes and compounds and making money. One thing I do is wash the car down with dawn after to remove dust before sealing or coating. Crucify me.
All good, with the exception of washing with Dawn. Yes it cleans oil off Ducks, but it definitely doesn’t strip anything off of cars. Dish soaps leave a film by design to promote a slow sheeting action so dishes dry evenly. This same sheeting action is why the old wives tale of “Dawn strips waxes” persists.
great vids ivan! thank you. how do you aproach correction on factory very soft and sticky paint? some say, never use a rotary on soft paints only DA and one step. but i have situations that cars paint is very neglected and one step just masking the problem. whats your opinion and aproach on factory soft and sticky paint ?
I use the rotary and waffle pads. The softer the paint, the more you’re going to like the rotary. Don’t try it with a flat pad though, you will detest it.
Have you used a vertical polisher? If so, any pro’s/ con’s over a traditional rotary? Will a vertical polisher work well on horizontal surfaces? Shinemate has one that I’m kinda interested in.
Definitely polish on an MF towel by hand! I used to own a PXE 80 with a lot of extra's, so I could use it for specifically that. I got tired from the amount of time it took to use. Then I just tried polish on an MF towel, and got better results in about 1/5th of the time and effort. I quicly decided to sell the PXE lol.
Hey Yvan, something I've never seen you discuss on TH-cam is whether or not you use a small polisher for edgework. I'm looking into getting a little 1 or 3 inch polisher for intricate body panels and hard to reach places. Is that something you recommend? If so, would you go for a rotary or a random orbital for your small polisher? Thanks!
Spray with a pad cleaning solution, work it into the pad, dip pad in bucket, then rinse. If you are detailing for a living though the pad washer should be part of your tools.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thanks for the reply and info. Just getting into detailing as a weekend warrior and bought my first rotary.New subscriber here - thanks again for the videos.
Questions about using the pad washer...1. After you have used the pad washer, are the pads damp? While the pad is still in the washer, when you turn up the speed to get rid of the extra water, is the pad still damp enough for continued polishing? 2. If you are continuously using the pad washer as you polish a vehicle, is your cleaning solution a no rinse product, or one of the powdered brands that I have seen you use?
Hey Yvan, thanks for the informative video! Been following you and your work on YT for awhile now. I recall from another video you mentioned about DA is doing a better job in cutting, and why is that again? Is it something to do with heat production? And the same reason for the Waffle pad over that MF Pad or Foam Pad? Thanks!
The dual action cuts faster as long as you keep the surface cold. Wool is best for cutting, both DA and Rotary. The waffle pad is my choice because it keeps the surface cooler, it glides over the paint easier, and better surface contact.
Can you do a video to talk how your experience with using the rotary avoids the issue of holograms? Okay hit 11minutes and hear about swirls but is part of your success in using the foam versus traditional wool pads?
I have to ask Yvan, how much defect removal did you achieve? I'm very interested in learning to use a rotary, but on black paint, especially GM black, I'm concerned I'll be too aggressive. Do you have a before and after or side by side comparison?
Ywan you changed the way i am thinking about polishing waffle pads, spray polish, system 4000 pad washer and a rotary is not only the most effective way of polishing it's also meditating i have a mini rotary polisher i am using now but i want to get another rotary polisher i am thinking getting the milwauke cordless rotary and 15 mm da combo to cut the cords but this pe 14 is a killer machine it's confusing me so did you made the transition to cordless fully or you still prefer to work with this machine please give me your thoughts on this thank you so much for all the killer tricks you teached all of us
Do you recommend staying in the same brand of products when doing this type of 2 step? I mean can I use whatever brand X compound and go over it with XY spray polish?
I started on a budget rotary from harbor freight, and it was a battle to control it. It constantly tried doing its own thing, and pulling. In another one of your videos, you mentioned it's possible it'll do that because of the pad not being wet enough. I got a DA polisher and it's a dream to use. What rotary would you recommend?
Few questions I got . Wouldn't not wiping off the compound off leave some interference with applying the coating off the bat. and also I notice when I use a damp pad and wet polish slings it leaves white specs that aren't easy to wipe off
The compound doesn’t need to be wiped off in most cases, the polish does need to be wiped off. If you are getting sling your pad is still too wet, or you are using too much product on your pad.
Would The Miner towels by The Rag Company be good towels for this? It's what i normally use and love them but sometimes they can be a hassle do you recommend anything else?
Hi Yvan I am really hoping yo can help me out. I am brand new to polishing and have been grooming cars for a repair shop and now I have been given the task of polishing the vehicles. So my question is some of the freshly painted panels require getting rid of the small bits of “dust” on the clear coat (which is done with a razor blade) then a 1500 sand followed by a 3000 wet sand. I have then been told to use a rotary polisher with a firm pad, lots of polish,a medium speed and “lean into” and apply pressure to the pad. However I find this creates a lot of heat. On a black vehicle the polishing is a three stage process with a firm pad and to softer pads. My confusion lies in the fact that almost all clips on TH-cam say “heat” is your enemy while polishing. How would you tackle this situation correctly and saving time. Hope I have explained the scenario well enough and thanks for your time.
Unfortunately in body shops they continue to use techniques that should have disappeared with manual chokes and bias ply tires. In my Body Shop we used the DA with a short nap wool pad to cut, and a waffle pad on the rotary to finish.
I’m having a particularly hard time with with getting efficient and effective results on hard (BMW) paint using a heavy cut pad (short microfibre) with heavy cut compound (Carpro ultra cut) to remove moderate scratches that are smooth to the touch. Would a rotary make this process quicker/more effective?
I had a Makita rotary and I still have it, but it's too heavy and old. I recently bought a Rupes rotary but I'm not satisfied with it, I don't like the sound and how it fits in my hand. Is it worth changing to the Flex in Videoclip? thanks! I am writing to you from Germany. Good luck, I'm following you.
Main reason I went to rotary is because I was looking at having to have major wrist surgery. All the years using da and junk polishers in the beginning wrecked my hands. Started using rotary and it’s not so painful on my wrist!!
Yvan, for a DA user like myself who has come to really enjoy the DA, what brand is a good Rotary that is not entry level but won't break the bank? Also, have you used the UDOS 51E? I have considered getting the UDOS 51E b/c I am mobile and I like to minimize what I have to pack/unpack for jobs. Merci!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Yeah but which Rotary machines travel on the "Lacroix Cruiser? If they make the cut for the "travel team" they must be legit!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I have a Dewalt Dwp849x, a little on the weighty side but a nice machine to use and a Shinemate Ep803 mini rotary which I prefer due to it's size and weight but still more than able to run a full size pad if required . I've also a Dewalt cordless Da which is very convenient and a Flex Pxe80 which is a real dream to use.
How do I clean the pad without a pad cleaner? Bought a Makita rotary for my boat, mainly - I invested in four lambs wool pads, so do I just alternate them?
I used to detail Rolls Royce in Melbourne Australia at a large Dealership in the 1980s,we would use the Rotary and finish by dry buffung on a new pad using cornflour for great results-swirl free. I still do this today for select customers who are extremly happy with the finished result. Thanks Ivan and best wishes
I have a bad tendency to lean way in and it wears out my lower back. I start out being mindful of posture but once I get into a deep focus I just lean way in without realizing it.
With any tool let it do the work, your just their to guide it. By leaning into it and applying pressure your cutting slower, hurting the finish, your polisher, and yourself.
I was surprised that you didn't remove the "cutting" polish before using the finishing polish. I am assuming that once the abrasives are broken down that the polish removal is unnecessary as long as the lubrication is there?
I just watched meguires do a video on there compounds they say you can cut without removing compound and just go over it with a polish or even a glaze then wipe it off.
I didn’t think you could rotary half a whole truck door with 4 dots of compound. :p I assume you’re not going for anymore than 80% perfection? What compound you using
I noticed you didn’t “stamp it out” on the surface to spread the compound. Could you explain your thought prōcess on why it isn’t necessary? (And maybe even why your little goes a long way in this instance.) 🤓😎
Yvan, could you help me understand why optimum clear coat restoration creates a white haze when applied to black paint. It gets worse the further along I go. What is the best way to remedy this problem? Thanks
Not sure it’s the same formula as when I was there, have they been able to help? My initial guess would be that it’s a residue on the surface interacting with the clear coat.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy yes, Dr. G. said to scuff it again and lay down a second coat. He suggested maybe moisture trapped on the surface. I thought i would ask you to see if you knew of a way to prevent it from happening
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I'm pretty sure it's still the same formula. Maybe it has been tweaked. They have never mentioned and reformulations. But you know Dr. G. He doesn't mention it if it's a slight change
Yvan you make that look too easy, is it as easy as you make it look or is that decades of experience showing through? I just picked up an lhr15 mark 3 but your talk of rotary makes me want to attempt it.
Hello Sir 😊. I hope you're doing well. I have a question for you I mean it's about Machine polishing. I have a small sports bike. I preserved it without swirl marks from 9 months since I bought. Now actually I want to remove factory orange peel & polish as well as protect using ceramic coating....But the thing is my motorcycle has lots of shapes & even if I use Waffle Foam pad I don't know how it will cover those insane angled edges.....what should I do in that edged places Sir?....I mean I feel like I may need tiny polisher for that 😅...or try covering those angles with Waffle foam pads?....I didn't polish yet .....It would be amazing if I get top advice from you Sir 😊.
The lowest speed your polisher will go, 400-800 rpm is ideal. The lower the speed the better the cut and finish, the goal is low heat. In Georgia it’s the 18-19 October 2022, Warner Robins GA.
My G... I really love this, but speaking of effiency; I have been filming myself, just to see where I lose time, and I am losing so much time because my "OCD" comes in to play and guess what I am doing: inspect, inspect and inspect again. ESPECIALLY when I do a test spot. Maybe you can show us how you perform a test spot?
Many people loose time with test spots. Test spots are simply to validate your chosen process . Choose a process with experience and the customers budget/ expectations. Do your small test spot, and if needed adjust. If not finish the job.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy What pad do you recommend to use for cutting on a Rotary? I know you preffer the DA for cutting but if all you have is a Rotary what pad would you use for cutting?
So in between you're cleaning your pad with the bucket system. So Isn't the pad still wet? Doesn't ruin the Polish in the effectiveness of the overall job?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I have a question. why is it that people say you should always start if your a beginner with a DA? is it because its "actually safer"? I mean with a DA your speeds are actually faster that a ROTARY. Also from what I understand you can actully damage the clear or paint just as fast as a Rotary, is this true?? I have used smaller pads to do some small areas of paint correection. I used it with a cordless Drill. I also used the Meguiars DA system/ Attachment which you also use with a highspeed Drill as well. Even though this may not be as good as a true DA. I found that using a small pad on a Drill does a better job at correcting scratches or imperfections than using the drill and Meguiars DA attachment/system. So now I actually want to buy a True Rotary Polisher. I was told that I should stick with a DA instead as a Beginner. What are your thoughts?? Last what are some models you would recommend on both? Thank you.
I just love your videos, they always put a smile on my face 🙂.
Not only do you impart plenty of vital information and advice, but you have a wonderful dry sense of humour which reduces apprehension for a novice rotary pilot.
Wow, thank you!
Subscribed! Just bought a rotary and everyone makes it out to be extremely difficult. You answered all my questions in this 13 minute video and added a lot of value by doing so.
Glad I could help!
You are the Bob Ross of the auto detailing art. I see you have the same barber. Your voice is calm and soothing through the whole thing. I put your video on and go about my work glancing up every few minites to see how you are doing. By the time you are done I am done and both projects look great. After listening to your videos I feel like I could go out in the yard and wham bam dial the Ram right in.
Thank you!
I'm more versed on the DA but the rotary definitely gives a better finish. Low speed, no pressure, let the machine do the work and your process very quick and simple. Excellent video Mr. Lacroix
Thank you.
Big ups to you. Your style is superb 👌
Thank you
With the rotary how do you avoid those alogram ?
@@deanfox3920he literally just spent half hour telling you.
Awesome video! I'm a new detailer and I appreciate the way you explain.
Thank you
Thanks Yvan I really enjoyed that video! Lots of very useful info and tips. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
I've been wanting to try a rotary. maybe this spring, i'll give it a go.
Enjoy, let me know your thoughts.
Great video Yvan, I don't have a rotary polisher just yet, however, I have applied your methods to my polishing process with a DA and have had much better results. Thank you for sharing so much knowledge will all of us.
Thank you for commenting.
Great review on using a rotary. I just tried to practice with mine on customer vehicle roof on a large SUV. It was easy to work while stretching to cover that top.
Excellent, thank you!
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Whats the name of the pad cleaner
Have always buffed with a random orbital but recently obtained a dewalt rotary. Used it on an Audi q7 on some heavy defects and it looked awesome. Two days later im at the dealer and see holograms everywhere. Pulled out the random orbital and fixed it but after watching some of your videos I know what I did wrong and id like to give it another chance. Thanks for the video!
Thank you.
I learned more from this short video than I have watching hours of DA video's for paint correction. As a detailer at a high volume Toyota Dealership (Soft paint) I thank you Yvan.
Looking forward to the new work week as we have an 'olskool' rotary I've never used and hoping to see a difference from the Rupes LHR-21 I currently use.
Cheers, :)
Thank you, let me know how it goes.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I'm rather excited as I have 6" pads for the rotary, one cutting, one polishing and both are waffle :)
Excellent, waffle pads are definitely my favourite
hey friend, how do you aproach these japanese very soft paints that become sticky. because ive learned the hard way! whats your aproach so you dont burn some soft clear?
As shown here, Rotary, and a clean waffle pad. Flat pads are not good with a rotary.
When I start doing this as a business I had to choose to buy one machine because I didn’t have enough money to afford both rotary and DA and I preferred the rotary. I had to learn how to deliver a great polish work with no marks just using rotary. They are pretty good, and like you said, it’s the machine that leaves marks but who is behind it.
Thanks for the content.
Thank you, what machine did you get?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy It was a DeWalt. They make pretty good tools, I guess.
Yes good machine.
Pop's be cool AF and I be makin MONEY fo watchin da man
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One of your best videos yvan, keeping the rotary alive. The Industry needs to fully adopt spray polishes like the one I've used for 12 years and optimum polish. Keep those pads clean, what I've been saying for yonks. Pad washer makes it easier than ever
Spray polish is definitely a game changer on clean pads.
@@Detailers-Business-Academymassively better.
Those who don’t try them will never know how effective they could be
@@Detailers-Business-Academy its time for more manufacturers to throw those old formulas out and make the switch but do many of them really care to bother, that's the question.
No they don’t care.
I love using my Flex rotary for polishing. The rotary just finishes much better, especially on soft paint, from my experience.
Same here, DA for cutting, rotary for finishing
do you also cut with the rotary? at what exception would you use a rotary to cut instead of a DA or vice-versa and why? i just got my rupes lh19e and thought it would do the job to cut because i buy and sells cars from 2010 models to 2015 and most of them are extremely neglected and all kind off different depth scratches but now i'm confused with how you would proceed to DA cutting and rotary finishing
( all i'm looking for is to make my cars look great enough to sell for top dollar, not get them showroom condition)
@@rochlanteigne5123 I normally use a DA to cut. The exception being in tight areas, a rotary is sometimes the only way to correct an area efficiently. Sometimes hand polishing is the only way to correct paint (like under door handles). If you aren't going for near perfection, none of this really matters.
I find a DA cuts better with most modern pads/abrasives, while adding some safety. You can do a refining polish with a DA too, but sometimes soft, dark paint is too finicky for the more violent action of a DA, no matter how soft of pad you use.
You can use a rotary to cut, as well. You just need to be more careful and have good technique on body lines and edges so you don't burn through. When I polish/refine with a rotary, I use a very low speed (never more than 30% of full speed) and careful not to add any pressure from my hands.
I think you would be best off by going over the vehicles with a good all-in-one (rupes UNO advanced) paired with light to medium cut pad - depending on how hard the paint is you are working on. Just go after the light defects, but you will make the paint glossy as heck. Plus, you will spend minimal time, make the cars look good to 99% of people, and you aren't removing much material so there is minimal risk in doing any damage.
You made a good purchase to do what you want to do - a quick polish on your inventory. Use a slow speed, dont fight the machine - more of guiding it in the direction you want, stay off body lines as much as possible, you shouldn't have any issues. If you find you are leaving marks behind from your machine, slow the speed down and use a less aggressive pad.
@@scottmattern482 hey scott thank you so much to elaborate over the topic as much as you did, i do have a clear understanding of why you would use 1 over the other, great tips i'll see how this will work out for me 👍🏼
@@scottmattern482 a good all in one with a light to medium pad but da or rotary?
You’re a really cool guy 😎. I like your wealth of knowledge. And your through introduction on your presentations or videos. Thank you 🙏🏻
I appreciate that!
Awesome Stuff
Thank you.
Thanks for getting me over the hump and into using the rotary, I've been using it more frequently and enjoying every minute of it. I think one of your most under-rated bits of wisdom is posture and working a controlled area from shoulder to shoulder... the results are better, achieved more quickly and with less fatigue. Sometimes the smallest pearls yield the greatest returns.
Thank you John, happy to have made a positive difference.
Totally agree on the posture. I took Yvan’s advice on “Stand up straight,be proud” as my back was killing me.
Thank you, happy to have helped your back.
Agreed! I invested in really nice knee pads and polishing the side of vehicles is much better!
Next step is a Racatac.
Awesome 😎
Thank you
Very good informative video, I want to get into using a rotary to get that perfect finish especially on my carbon roof on my ZR1 but I hesitate just from all the horror stories I’ve heard.
Go for it!
I, like many, started with a DA. I now, almost exclusively use my rotary. So much smoother and great results.
I started with a Rotary, had a fling with a DA, came back to the Rotary.
Great video after listening to you talk about the rotary. If I had to pick only 1 polisher. DA or rotary. I would get the rotary with no regrets.
Thank you.
Very great video ! My 16 year old D.A Porter Cable broked (LOL) and I purchased a small rotary polisher. Already learned from you : pad always flat on surface, low speed always, let the machine do the job : no pressure,, waffle pads , don't do long lateral movements getting out of reach , don't dance with the machine (making artistic performatic passes) and keep good posture . Amazing content ! Perhaps someday you can make a vid about rotary polisher on concave and convex surfaces 🙌. Repetition is the soul of learning. keep up the good videos !
Thank you, good idea, I’ll find something curvaceous to polish.
Thank you, good idea, I’ll find something curvaceous to polish.
Finally after years of nonsense on the internet.
I always polished with a rotary. I’d use a DA on a new car before sealing or coating only for the sake of preserving clear coat and not achieving perfection.
I’ve never removed compounds off panels when moving into a less abrasive polish.
I only tape off plastic trim so I don’t burn it and on emblems to give myself less clean up after.
No one is spending 20+ hours with 2 machines and a mise en place of polishes and compounds and making money.
One thing I do is wash the car down with dawn after to remove dust before sealing or coating. Crucify me.
All good, with the exception of washing with Dawn. Yes it cleans oil off Ducks, but it definitely doesn’t strip anything off of cars. Dish soaps leave a film by design to promote a slow sheeting action so dishes dry evenly. This same sheeting action is why the old wives tale of “Dawn strips waxes” persists.
I love your work. Quick question; is there other ultinative way to clean your pad, if you dont have that Pad cleaner?
Yes, but the pad washer is worth every cent.
Hi yvan shame you are not doing classes in the UK , great video as always 👌👍
Gather 10 Detailers and I’m on a flight
great vids ivan! thank you. how do you aproach correction on factory very soft and sticky paint? some say, never use a rotary on soft paints only DA and one step. but i have situations that cars paint is very neglected and one step just masking the problem. whats your opinion and aproach on factory soft and sticky paint ?
I use the rotary and waffle pads. The softer the paint, the more you’re going to like the rotary. Don’t try it with a flat pad though, you will detest it.
Great video Yvan. Where is your class in Florida going to be and when?
The 29th in Orlando, 1 day class 100% rotary
Have you used a vertical polisher? If so, any pro’s/ con’s over a traditional rotary? Will a vertical polisher work well on horizontal surfaces? Shinemate has one that I’m kinda interested in.
Those were popular in the 70’s and 80’s the ergonomics of them were quite good.
hope we get more of this videos. i was wondering if you have any good tips for under the door handle?
Polish on a MF towel by hand.
Magic Eraser with compound then polish by hand with a micro-fiber cloth :)
Good idea.
Definitely polish on an MF towel by hand! I used to own a PXE 80 with a lot of extra's, so I could use it for specifically that. I got tired from the amount of time it took to use. Then I just tried polish on an MF towel, and got better results in about 1/5th of the time and effort. I quicly decided to sell the PXE lol.
Many people are under the belief the inner door handles are scratched. Most of what we perceive as scratches, are simply transfer from finger nails.
Hey Yvan, something I've never seen you discuss on TH-cam is whether or not you use a small polisher for edgework. I'm looking into getting a little 1 or 3 inch polisher for intricate body panels and hard to reach places. Is that something you recommend? If so, would you go for a rotary or a random orbital for your small polisher? Thanks!
I rarely use smaller than 6 inch, and if I do 3 inch is what I use.
What kind of compound and spray polish are you using? Very good video for a rotary noob. Thanks for the great content.
McKee’s 37
Thank you for your excellent videos. What would you say is the most effective way of cleaning a pad without the pad cleaner that you have?
Spray with a pad cleaning solution, work it into the pad, dip pad in bucket, then rinse. If you are detailing for a living though the pad washer should be part of your tools.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thanks for the reply and info. Just getting into detailing as a weekend warrior and bought my first rotary.New subscriber here - thanks again for the videos.
Thank you!
Great video! I was wondering though; doing this process that you did in the video how long would it take you to finish the vehicle?
It depends on vehicle size and condition.
Questions about using the pad washer...1. After you have used the pad washer, are the pads damp? While the pad is still in the washer, when you turn up the speed to get rid of the extra water, is the pad still damp enough for continued polishing? 2. If you are continuously using the pad washer as you polish a vehicle, is your cleaning solution a no rinse product, or one of the powdered brands that I have seen you use?
The pad is slightly damp, but will not sling. It’s perfect for polishing. Yes, tge pad washer gets used constantly. The powdered cleaners work best.
Great advice and tips ✅
What’s the recommended polish , compound to use for this paint correction
Use the one you have.
Hey Yvan, thanks for the informative video! Been following you and your work on YT for awhile now. I recall from another video you mentioned about DA is doing a better job in cutting, and why is that again? Is it something to do with heat production? And the same reason for the Waffle pad over that MF Pad or Foam Pad? Thanks!
The dual action cuts faster as long as you keep the surface cold. Wool is best for cutting, both DA and Rotary. The waffle pad is my choice because it keeps the surface cooler, it glides over the paint easier, and better surface contact.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Awesome! Thank you for the explanantion, I appreciate it alot!
My pleasure.
Thanks for the tutorial! May I ask what correcting cream and spray finishing/prep polish you are using?
DIY Detail
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thanks!
Can you do a video to talk how your experience with using the rotary avoids the issue of holograms? Okay hit 11minutes and hear about swirls but is part of your success in using the foam versus traditional wool pads?
Wool is just as safe as foam, it’s all about technique and keeping your pad clean.
I have to ask Yvan, how much defect removal did you achieve? I'm very interested in learning to use a rotary, but on black paint, especially GM black, I'm concerned I'll be too aggressive. Do you have a before and after or side by side comparison?
The rotary is less agressive than a DA
Ywan you changed the way i am thinking about polishing waffle pads, spray polish, system 4000 pad washer and a rotary is not only the most effective way of polishing it's also meditating
i have a mini rotary polisher i am using now but i want to get another rotary polisher i am thinking getting the milwauke cordless rotary and 15 mm da combo to cut the cords but this pe 14 is a killer machine it's confusing me so did you made the transition to cordless fully or you still prefer to work with this machine please give me your thoughts on this
thank you so much for all the killer tricks you teached all of us
I prefer corded, but cordless is growing on me. For the DA I would suggest a 21 mm.
Do you recommend staying in the same brand of products when doing this type of 2 step? I mean can I use whatever brand X compound and go over it with XY spray polish?
Test your results before doing a complete vehicle, but yes you can.
I started on a budget rotary from harbor freight, and it was a battle to control it. It constantly tried doing its own thing, and pulling. In another one of your videos, you mentioned it's possible it'll do that because of the pad not being wet enough. I got a DA polisher and it's a dream to use. What rotary would you recommend?
No need to change rotary’s they all have the same effect. What pads were you using?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I used the 6 inch blue coarse foam polishing pad from bauer. then the ultra fine polishing pad for the polish
Please get some waffle pads, this will change your experience.
Hi Yvan. Quick question…are the techniques you use for auto clear coat the same for boat Gelcoat?
Yes
Few questions I got . Wouldn't not wiping off the compound off leave some interference with applying the coating off the bat. and also I notice when I use a damp pad and wet polish slings it leaves white specs that aren't easy to wipe off
The compound doesn’t need to be wiped off in most cases, the polish does need to be wiped off. If you are getting sling your pad is still too wet, or you are using too much product on your pad.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you
What spray polish are you using I would love to skip the IPA wipe down part to get to my coating quicker! TIA
McKee’s 37 coating prep polish.
Would The Miner towels by The Rag Company be good towels for this? It's what i normally use and love them but sometimes they can be a hassle do you recommend anything else?
Yes, it would.
Hello Yvan,Do you think a DA actually cuts better and faster than a rotary with a wool pad?
A da with a wool pad( short nap) does cut faster than a rotary. With the same pad the DA will always cut more.
Hi Yvan I am really hoping yo can help me out. I am brand new to polishing and have been grooming cars for a repair shop and now I have been given the task of polishing the vehicles. So my question is some of the freshly painted panels require getting rid of the small bits of “dust” on the clear coat (which is done with a razor blade) then a 1500 sand followed by a 3000 wet sand. I have then been told to use a rotary polisher with a firm pad, lots of polish,a medium speed and “lean into” and apply pressure to the pad. However I find this creates a lot of heat. On a black vehicle the polishing is a three stage process with a firm pad and to softer pads. My confusion lies in the fact that almost all clips on TH-cam say “heat” is your enemy while polishing. How would you tackle this situation correctly and saving time. Hope I have explained the scenario well enough and thanks for your time.
Unfortunately in body shops they continue to use techniques that should have disappeared with manual chokes and bias ply tires. In my Body Shop we used the DA with a short nap wool pad to cut, and a waffle pad on the rotary to finish.
I’m having a particularly hard time with with getting efficient and effective results on hard (BMW) paint using a heavy cut pad (short microfibre) with heavy cut compound (Carpro ultra cut) to remove moderate scratches that are smooth to the touch.
Would a rotary make this process quicker/more effective?
A DA cuts faster, MF pads create too much heat, slowing down the cut.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy so you are only using wool of foam these days and mostly all in a waffle weave?
Exactly, wool and waffle foam.
When you use the pad washer am I able to use a spray bottle to give the pad a light spray with water ?
The pad washer will make the pad damp, no need to wet it further.
I had a Makita rotary and I still have it, but it's too heavy and old. I recently bought a Rupes rotary but I'm not satisfied with it, I don't like the sound and how it fits in my hand. Is it worth changing to the Flex in Videoclip? thanks! I am writing to you from Germany. Good luck, I'm following you.
Agreed on all fronts, both the Makita and Rupes are not very ergonomic. The Flex is my favourite
Is that the McKees correcting cream and spray polish?
I used complete swirl remover to cut, and coating prep polish ( I added the sprayer) to finish.
Main reason I went to rotary is because I was looking at having to have major wrist surgery. All the years using da and junk polishers in the beginning wrecked my hands. Started using rotary and it’s not so painful on my wrist!!
Good news.
Yvan, for a DA user like myself who has come to really enjoy the DA, what brand is a good Rotary that is not entry level but won't break the bank? Also, have you used the UDOS 51E? I have considered getting the UDOS 51E b/c I am mobile and I like to minimize what I have to pack/unpack for jobs.
Merci!
All of the usual suspects are good. Yes I’ve used and own a UDOS 51e.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Yeah but which Rotary machines travel on the "Lacroix Cruiser? If they make the cut for the "travel team" they must be legit!
@@MakeMyAutoShine we carry Flex, Milwaukee ( cordless) and a few Chinese polishers.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Oh nope.
At our Dealership we've gone through 3 "Made in CHINA' junk polishers.
I know you don’t like to talk brands but which spray polish that is designed to prep for ceramic coatings are you using ? Thanks ! 😎
I like to use McKee’s 37 coating prep polish, but you’ll need to add your own sprayer.
Great video on the rotary , my machine of choice over the DA.
Thank you, what rotary do you use?
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I have a Dewalt Dwp849x, a little on the weighty side but a nice machine to use and a Shinemate Ep803 mini rotary which I prefer due to it's size and weight but still more than able to run a full size pad if required . I've also a Dewalt cordless Da which is very convenient and a Flex Pxe80 which is a real dream to use.
Nice selection!
How do I clean the pad without a pad cleaner? Bought a Makita rotary for my boat, mainly - I invested in four lambs wool pads, so do I just alternate them?
Yes
I used to detail Rolls Royce in Melbourne Australia at a large Dealership in the 1980s,we would use the Rotary and finish by dry buffung on a new pad using cornflour for great results-swirl free. I still do this today for select customers who are extremly happy with the finished result. Thanks Ivan and best wishes
That brought back memories.
Where can I find out which pads and compound you used please
The liquids are from McKee’s 37, the pads from Lake Country Mfg.
I have a bad tendency to lean way in and it wears out my lower back. I start out being mindful of posture but once I get into a deep focus I just lean way in without realizing it.
With any tool let it do the work, your just their to guide it. By leaning into it and applying pressure your cutting slower, hurting the finish, your polisher, and yourself.
I was surprised that you didn't remove the "cutting" polish before using the finishing polish. I am assuming that once the abrasives are broken down that the polish removal is unnecessary as long as the lubrication is there?
Correct, they are fully compatible, I wipe off for the test spot, after that, no need.
I just watched meguires do a video on there compounds they say you can cut without removing compound and just go over it with a polish or even a glaze then wipe it off.
Many brands can do this.
I didn’t think you could rotary half a whole truck door with 4 dots of compound. :p I assume you’re not going for anymore than 80% perfection? What compound you using
This was McKee’s 37
Why did you not wipe the compound off before going over with the spray polish?
It’s an unnecessary step.
I noticed you didn’t “stamp it out” on the surface to spread the compound. Could you explain your thought prōcess on why it isn’t necessary? (And maybe even why your little goes a long way in this instance.) 🤓😎
It’s simply a waste of time, and actually dries out the polish. Using a damp waffle pad, you don’t create any problems from dry buffing.
What is the difference between a dual action polisher vs a rotary polisher vs a orbital polisher?
Dual action and orbital are the same thing. The pad both rotates and oscillates. A rotary simply rotates around a single point.
When is you training in Georgia and where?
It was last week.
Yvan, could you help me understand why optimum clear coat restoration creates a white haze when applied to black paint. It gets worse the further along I go. What is the best way to remedy this problem? Thanks
Not sure it’s the same formula as when I was there, have they been able to help?
My initial guess would be that it’s a residue on the surface interacting with the clear coat.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy yes, Dr. G. said to scuff it again and lay down a second coat. He suggested maybe moisture trapped on the surface. I thought i would ask you to see if you knew of a way to prevent it from happening
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I'm pretty sure it's still the same formula. Maybe it has been tweaked. They have never mentioned and reformulations. But you know Dr. G. He doesn't mention it if it's a slight change
Yvan, what’s the spray polish that you use ? Regards
DIY Detail Gold Standard Polish
How do you polish the door handle cups ?
By hand. In most cases they are not scratched, it’s transfer from finger nails .
Hi Yvan, can you suggest a rough RPM to use with my rotary/DA would they be any different for cut, polish, or 3in1.
Rotary, the slowest it will go, DA enough to get backing plate rotation.
Hi Yvan I hope you are well therefore which speed did you use with the rotary, thanks
Speed 1
What pads, and polish do you recommend? I have a dewalt 849x rotary
DIY Detail Gold Standard Polish and waffle pads
Rotary all day long 👌
Agreed
Yvan you make that look too easy, is it as easy as you make it look or is that decades of experience showing through? I just picked up an lhr15 mark 3 but your talk of rotary makes me want to attempt it.
It’s as easy as it looks. In my classes most people get in in a few minutes of coaching. The key is let the machine do the job.
rotary is easily number 1, plus you can do a 1 step for a perfect finish with right pad and polish combo.
Exactly.
if u dont have a 4000 pad washer what is my alternative? im from philippines we have insufficient technology here thank you master yvan
A bucket of Rinseless Wash
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Hello Sir 😊. I hope you're doing well. I have a question for you I mean it's about Machine polishing. I have a small sports bike. I preserved it without swirl marks from 9 months since I bought. Now actually I want to remove factory orange peel & polish as well as protect using ceramic coating....But the thing is my motorcycle has lots of shapes & even if I use Waffle Foam pad I don't know how it will cover those insane angled edges.....what should I do in that edged places Sir?....I mean I feel like I may need tiny polisher for that 😅...or try covering those angles with Waffle foam pads?....I didn't polish yet .....It would be amazing if I get top advice from you Sir 😊.
I World suggest a 3 inch rotary backing plate with extensions if needed.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thank you so much. Really appreciate your reply 😊
Sir, what is the name of the Pad cleaner that u used?thank you.
Lake Country System 4000
Do you like to cut with a wool pad on really pad paint as in with a lot of scratches ?
Yes wool pad and DA
@@Detailers-Business-Academy
What is your favorite brand for those waffle pads ??? I have a 7in rotary
And do you clean the wool pad with that bucket as well?
What polish did u use hyper polish?
No , McKee’s 37 coating prep polish.
What pad are you using?
6 inch Lake Country waffles
2 questions.
What speed? And can you elaborate more on recommend speeds?
Where in GA is your class?
The lowest speed your polisher will go, 400-800 rpm is ideal. The lower the speed the better the cut and finish, the goal is low heat.
In Georgia it’s the 18-19 October 2022, Warner Robins GA.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy dang that’s my home town and only 1hr away. I would love to come but I just took 2 classes 3 months ago.
Nothing stopping you from learning more.
My G... I really love this, but speaking of effiency; I have been filming myself, just to see where I lose time, and I am losing so much time because my "OCD" comes in to play and guess what I am doing: inspect, inspect and inspect again. ESPECIALLY when I do a test spot. Maybe you can show us how you perform a test spot?
Many people loose time with test spots. Test spots are simply to validate your chosen process . Choose a process with experience and the customers budget/ expectations. Do your small test spot, and if needed adjust. If not finish the job.
Amazing video and tutorial. What speed u using 3?
He usually runs on speed 1.
Correct, speed 1.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy speed 1 for cutting and finishing?
Speed one for everything except for spinning out the pad after using the pad washer.
Totally appreciate the help and videos you do.ty
Would you do anything different with a DA? Lowest speed on DA?
Speed 2-3 on the DA, wool pad for cutting, white waffle for finishing.
Thank you so much!! Would you still recommend DA, Orange Waffle, & hyper polish for a gloss enhancement?
Yes, that combination works well.
Hey what’s the pad washer you’re using ?
Lake Country Manufacturing System 4000
You bring common sense to what I always thought was complicated. thanks
Glad to help
Hey Ivan so what type of spray polish are you using?
McKee’s 37
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Is Optimum a good choice?
Yes
What speed were you cutting at
Speed 1
What rpm are you using on the rotary
400
Can you cut with a rotary and the gold standard yellow waffle pad? I know it doesn’t cut as well as a da but it still works. And how do I do it?
Yes, use low speed no pressure.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy What pad do you recommend to use for cutting on a Rotary? I know you preffer the DA for cutting but if all you have is a Rotary what pad would you use for cutting?
what Products did you use ???
A swirl remover, a polish, 2 waffle pads, a rotary, pad washer and MF towels.
I think that took approx 15 minutes. How long would it normally take to do the whole vehicle?
A panel without explaining for a video takes roughly 10-12 mins.
A panel without explaining for a video takes roughly 10-12 mins. So depending on the size of the vehicle, 90-120 mins
What polish are you using?
DIY Detail Gold Standard Polish
My friend I am determined to learn with a rotary first timer Q: you said low rpms for every step?
Correct
@@Detailers-Business-Academy thank you so much for your time and videos👍
So in between you're cleaning your pad with the bucket system. So Isn't the pad still wet?
Doesn't ruin the Polish in the effectiveness of the overall job?
It’s only slightly damp. The dampness improved efficiency, and gives a better finish.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy
so like sort of or conditioning the pad then? Thank you
Correct
@@Detailers-Business-Academy
I have a question. why is it that people say you should always start if your a beginner with a DA? is it because its "actually safer"? I mean with a DA your speeds are actually faster that a ROTARY. Also from what I understand you can actully damage the clear or paint just as fast as a Rotary, is this true??
I have used smaller pads to do some small areas of paint correection. I used it with a cordless Drill. I also used the Meguiars DA system/ Attachment which you also use with a highspeed Drill as well.
Even though this may not be as good as a true DA.
I found that using a small pad on a Drill does a better job at correcting scratches or imperfections than using the drill and Meguiars DA attachment/system.
So now I actually want to buy a True Rotary Polisher. I was told that I should stick with a DA instead as a Beginner. What are your thoughts??
Last what are some models you would recommend on both?
Thank you.
I always start training with a Rotary, I personally also find it safer.
My personal favourite is the Flex Rotary.
What RPM are you using when doing polishing with a rotary?
The slowest it can go. Ideally 400-800 max
@@Detailers-Business-Academy Thank you sir!
My pleasure
Hi. Does anyone know if I can use a 3” backing plate on this machine. I want to buy just one rotary. Ty
From 1 to 9 inches
Will this work on a boat?
Definitely.
How do you prevent the mess when using the rotary
Slow speed, and a spray polish.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy I tried that didn't work any suggestions