How Much Power Does A STOCK M140i Really Make?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- After hearing multiple stories of M140i/M240i going on a dyno and producing considerably more power than the stated 340bhp from BMW, I thought I'd see if this was true by trying it myself...
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For those wondering if my GPF/OPF/PPF filter had an affect on the power, please check out CarWow’s recent video of 2 RS3s (one pre facelift, one facelift GPF car) head to head...
It's certainly an interesting discussion point! If you look at the Golf R for example, pre GPF was 310ps and now they're 300ps again
Don't now whats wrong with the comparison from carwow but opf cars usualy have a higher 100-200 times, there are much videos about that on youtube...
The tune is different to make up for the losses from the restrictions from the particulate filter. It's been reported that the torque curves are different in a few cars.
Steve is correct, the tune means the filter is taken into account to produce stated powers.
@Datdon Dondat wait, you say torque is the primary fact for acceleration 😅 that's just not true
Really pleased with this result. Ive just purchased an April 2018 registered M140i shadow edition, as it didn't have the GPF filter fitted (it missed it). I run it on V-Power, knowing that they do run around 360bhp is exciting :)
v-power actually isnt as good as they say try tesco premium you will probably gain anywhere upto 20 extra brake compared to v-power
I love the shape of the 3-door 1 series I have to admit! Great video as always mate and HNY!
Thank you!
4/5 door is much better sells also better, practical if you have a bunch of friends carrying around
Keyser Soze wrong mate
3 door all the way!
3 door is way better to get in...
That integra type R in the background is a beauty
Wish we got the m140i in the states I definitely would have bought one and I have a 7.5 golf r
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Running the invalid reading as the teaser feels like slightly poor form.
Would like to see what it made before the res delete see how much influence that had. Great content.
Finally someone understands roller climb and corrects it!!!!
NV Motorsport UK what is roller climb?
Yes that's exactly what we did, we provided the guys with a graph showing climb and non climb run for comparison.
Plenty out there doing it deliberately to inflate their customers results.
KleanBonyo I think it’s when they don’t strap the car down tight and the wheels start to climb the rollers as such
Honestly you guys and TTS seem to be two of a small number of genuine tuners! Was awesome to be there on the day and have the whole thing explained by the guys at TTS. Keep up the great work NVM❤
360bhp sounds about right, according to other dyno testing companies too.
Mine came in at 361bhp 2 years ago
I’m guessing yes but that should be the same on the 240i right? It’s crazy how much more horsepower these cars make than they say in paper.
The B58 engine in the M140i is not a ‘detuned’ engine out of the M2. The M2 runs a N55 engine which is a completely different engine platform (although still 3.0L and single turbo). The B58 in the M140 is completely different in nearly every single way.
Yeah I often get this wrong, it's the 135i that runs the N55 so you're right!
M2 runs N55, M2 Comp Runs S55.
Sheila Morrison Correct. The S55 is an BMW M evolution of the N55 for the M3/M4 and later the M2 Comp. Both still completely different engines to the B58.
Looking at the B58 engine and what cars use it now and not back then. Do you understand what he was trying to say? The B58 is being used in most M cars now because it’s a beast.
@@EditCrazeEdit The B58 isn't used in any M cars
M2, afaik never had B58 engine ;) Standard M2 has N55, and competition has S55 (twin turbo). So you could argue that M140i has a better engine, than standard M2.
LooK253 No argument. Really a no-brainer.
My M140i with remap and downpipes made 457bhp. Only 344bhp I think when stock. It was ridiculous how quick it was once rolling.
Mine was only 336bhp stock, but as anybody who knows cars & tuning will tell you, bhp = bullshit horseshit power, it's not an accurate measurement.
Many dyno's are calibrated to read higher, so that when a car is remapped, the figures look amazing, and it gets them more business.
After a map mine made 411bhp, and 576nm torque.
And that was on a very accurate dyno.
That was really interesting. Good video. Loved that GTI.
Thank you man ❤
Get full size number plates or sort them hole's out dude they look bad man . You have spent lots of money on a lovely car but as you know it's the small things that make a big difference. 👍
It looks perfect wtf
You Can be well pleased with your figures. Just keep it pointing the way you want to travel! Enjoy the fun.
Hi luke, I picked up my m140i yesterday, I'm loving it. Can you do a video on all the driving modes and traction control combinations? There's a useful table on babybmw forum but it would be nice to see it in practice.
Glad this video is about the real M140i and not the 4 Zylinder 😅
Cylinder you fucking dumb fuck
@@BalkanBoyBiH it's a joke you fanny
@@jimjamthebananaman1 And there is no M140i anymore, it's an M135i .....
Happy new year to you and Chloe and all your beloved ones :)
Thank you! And you
@@hampshirephoto thx :)
Posted this video on FB 'BMW m140i owners club' can't believe how a few people dismiss the findings
Kan interesting results! Happy new year thanks for the content over the past year! 🍻🎉
Thanks for the support!
Came across this vid by accident. I had my totally stock M140i tested last week and produced 375bhp. Boy, these cars vary greatly!
Happy New Year from Northern Ireland
Thanks for tuning in! HNY to you too
what are you on about the m140i has no similarity to the engine in the M2. The non comp has the n55 which is the m135i engine and the comp has the s55. Both different to the b58.
Had my M140i about 2 months. Coming from an S3 it feels a lot stronger than that, 360hp is mega!
@Keyser Soze m140i is decent ya melon
I'm curious to see what the xdrive version would put down? Maybe bmw give the xdrive an extra 2psi more boost to compensate for the awd?
Good point!
M140i x drive isn’t available in the uk
@@PPGNI well that was completely irrelevant lol
Rhemedy
Lol
Holy moly is trademark of Max @ AutotopNL lol
I was thinking the same thing! 😂
360bhp from factory?! This has to be my next car
@@sparkford04 340hp is really not a lot to get down safely and consistently even in the wet with the right tyres. It's not 1990 anymore.
My stock M240i had the exact same results. mines 2017, pre OPF
I’m new to BMW. Just got a 2018 m240i is it OPF or pre OPF? I don’t even know what the hell all of that is. I guess I could Google that.
The B58 isn’t a detuned M2 engine, the M2 never used this engine. M2 used N55 then S55 in the M2 Comp
Left handed hood looks nice 😂 keep the vids coming
I currently have a fiesta ST and want an m135i so bad I think I’ve got to see what the hype are about these cars!
It's the M140i you want with the much newer b58 engine.
keep the st
Nice Vid. Some people say that German Manufacturers understate BHP figures.
Might be interesting to get some other stock cars and find out?
362 from stock is still good
It’s about right. Mine made 369 on the same Dyno.
i never was on a dyno, but the fact i was able to be faster on the autobahn than an rs3, shows that the official numbers are lower. i even have a manual
How accurate are dynos for real is the question? How are they calibrated?
Alot of people don't realize all dyno's read different need to put it on 2 or 3 different ones to get a rough idea
My BMW Diesel makes between 315hp and 330hp depends on Dyno and temperature
@@xCobi Exactly, bhp = bullshit horseshit power.
You can run the same car 5 times on the same day, and same dyno, it will give 5 different readings.
The person calibrating the dyno, and adjusting/calculating the corrected power, can basically make it read what he want to.
Higher (exaggerated) figures sell tuning maps, so it's best to take your car to a dyno company who do a lot of motorsport tuning, as they are more likely to give you an accurate reading.
My First car a 95 Golf 3 VR 6 AAA Stock got 192bhp instead of 174bhp. So i installed a k&n intake. Kat remove with stainlees exhaust and headers. Back on dyno got 196bhp. So sad😕
You said they detune the BMW M140i and M2 to make the Bhp difference a lot. But the m140i are around 340and the m2 are 365?
The pipes definently helps the power
Please do check out carwow’s recent video of 2 RS3s head to head - one 2017 model and one 2019 GPF model. This will suggest otherwise.
hampshirephoto basically saying it’s added HP by u taking gpf out as it’s not restricted no more
@@hampshirephoto I'm not saying you would gain 20hp but only a couple of hp which might not be noticable. Even if BMW have more hp than they say the gpf delete gives more hp but not much.
It's also hard to tell if BMW increase the power when a GPF is fitted to match the non GPF versions.
Pwoah that GTI is the real weapon here 👀
🤩👀💥
Yea, the ultimate understeer machine!
@@diogobotelho5141 own one do ya?👀
@@willcasey7407 I have driven a couple of GTIs
@@diogobotelho5141 that's fair enough. When set up properly they dont understeer much at all
If the dyno figures had been the other way around, would you have even shown the video?
Of course, my main objective was to see what the true power of the car
3 door looks far more sporty and better, great video though👍
The same goes for VW tho, I know its totally different car, but my Polo 6C GTI 1.8 TSI EA888 VW claims it has 192HP from factory. But runs 215HP on the dyno totally stock
Polo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great power from that B58! Quick question: where can I get body kits (lips, diffusers, etc) from the UK? that can ship worldwide, I live in Mexico and is really hard to find things for my M140i. the only one I know is Maxton.
I took my M140i to Surrey Rolling Road and my average was 357 BHP. This was probably due to using V power since I collected my car from new in October 2018. Great videos, by the way, keep them coming!!
Interesting to know! Thanks for the kind words also
Our dynos are identical machines. Same brand same software version.
@@tunedbyrabbid The figures given you confidence that they are genuine particularly if dynos use the same software.
Tesco Momentum has the same 99 ron.
@@danielfinch362 It's better than Shell, after the whole scandal with built 99RON only engines blowing using VPower which definitely wasn't 99 fuel
Only observation... was that a cold start 5:48 before the guy pulled it onto the Dyno...? If so hopefully it was up to temp before the run?
No, every startup runs a ‘cold start’ on the B58s. The engine was warm so no harm was done
Its called "cold start roar" every 140i has it, you hear it more cause of the gpf delete...
Good choice for the next car.
Have you done any tuning to your m140i chap? Like a remap?
The comment about both M140s being different is no surprise, even 2 of your own dyno runs varied (not inc the 275 one). Its the way engines are, no 2 are identical in any car due to tolerances and each pull will make the engine perform differently - go look at a non smoothed torque output of a hub or engine dyno 😉 Dynos are not inherently accurate due to this and therefore anything within around 5bhp is just natural variance.
Each dyno is as different as each car is. What is the figures at the tyres?
Not sure sorry
I believe I saw figures of around 320bhp
Would be around 305whp
What is the spec of the Golf GTi that went on?
Running a JB4 with a Mountune X3 intake and full turbo-back sports cat exhaust from Cobra :)
A car running 500 odd BHP weighing 2.000kg can be be slower than a car running 330BHP weighting 1350kg It’s all down to power to weight ratio.Good figures for a stock BMW140i mate 👍
keith morris Yes those are also a benefitting factor mate 👍
The car only as good as the driver i can beat faster cars down the back road cause i know how to drive my car most people don't
andy harper I agree to existent mate.
Thats power to the wheels?
How twitchy are these with being RWD ? They kick out easily ?
Very, they are fucking scatty as fuck. This car isn’t for everyone, and you will crash it if you don’t no how to deal with it.
I enjoy watching your content, but it sucks to see you filming while driving at 3:00
360
Wtf has weight of fuel tank got to do with a dyno? xD
I'm surprised I had to look so far down the comments to find someone who noticed that lol
Is that 362.8 at the rear wheels?
So this exhaust you have put on how does that work with the new E U laws on emissions etc as every time I say am going to get one told will fail mot but do not see company's putting something on that will fail your car
Regulations state that brand new cars be fitted with one. It's more the fact that you're taking it off that makes it fail the MOT (I think). Companies will sell you just about anything! Same as a decat pipe.
Forget the bhp figure. Your car has more torque than an F80 M3 looking at your graphs!
How the fuck do you not know what fuel you put in the tank😂😂😂
Problem is You could put the same car on 10 different dyno’s the same day and not get a single reading the same as any reading can be affected by multiple things
Which is why a 1/4 mile or 0-60 time is a far better representation of actual output, which is at the wheels and being driven
People get obsessed chasing Dino figures, mainly just so they can quote them in a car park of vlog
Translate that to a track or fast road when it also comes down to the skill of the driver regardless of power
Does it do the car any good these rolling roads,
Its harmless weve run some cars several hundred times
Haven't got much weight onboard which is good....!??... What
What on earth is that stupid “defuser”? Great power on these M140i’s
Car needs bigger alloys
375 all the way? DYNOsaur car!
Torque?
Wasn’t given any figures
Yes it's on your graph right hand column solid lines.
Looked around 430lb.ft @ 3k
Torque is 500
430LbFt
Is this an m2
M140i
You answered it in the first 8 seconds, not giving anyone a reason to watch and find out!
That wasn’t the final result
Typical bmw, underrating the power to overdeliver and make the customers happy ;)
Btw not fan of dyno's that show crank horse power just to show higher number, the crank horse power is calculated and is not always accurate.
It can only be measured with the engine out of the car in the factory where bmw makes them.
Wheel horse power is way more accurate and honest way of measuring the power, as every dyno has different multiplier for the losses on the auto/manual box. Some people say 18%, some 15% so you can't calculate correctly the losses to calculate the engine power.
360 bhp factory stock . .....theat is mad. .....well done BMW 😉
I'd Like to hav A little play with your car I'm only in portsmouth 😉
Cars arent stock though!!!!
I feel like you sometimes look about 14 and other videos about 45. Is that just me?
Both on v-power ?
Bmw have lied about there power figures for quite some time now 😏
Of they under play HP they went get sued.
Everyone does it, the power figures BMW, Audi or Mercedes claimed is the minimum power the car makes in terrible wheater conditions
@@xCobi True but BMW seem to do it more than others.
375bhp is the answer.
No it isnt. You didnt watch it did you.
Generous dyno! Vaguely remember your Golf making silly stock figures too..
Look up other dyno companies with regard m140i engine performance figures.
I believe 360bhp is about right according to other companies stats
Yes, 322bhp on the Golf
My old M140i made 365hp completely stock!
hampshirephoto what map was on the gti? My revo stage 1 made 311hp 510nm but the place I went only done 2 runs
I’m around 320hp with current mods
This isn’t a generous dyno I’ve had loads of mates go on this dyno and it’s known for giving low figures
Absolutely pointless figure. The only figures that matter, are real world driving times. 100-200 for example. Dyno's vary figures too much. My car ran 336 bhp on a MAHA dyno, same dyno's used by BMW. Its only useful to calculate a percentage increase after a remap. You could line up 50 stock M140's all showing different figures on the dyno, and drag them, they'd all cross the line at the same time (traction dependant ofcourse).
Change for bigger creen.. small one is ugly asf
13:04 ur welcome
Your laugh is so strange.. ha hah hah
Haha thanks
When i was a kid i always thought a faster car is always better. But, that's not the case anymore when you actually have to live with the car on regular basic. 1 Series just looks and feels so cheap both outside and inside. Suspension, handling, road noise aren't great either. But, i understand why it can be appeal to a younger audience due to the cost of ownership.
Bullshit, I had a 750i, S6 C6, and c350 but the 140i is superior in its class and for its price. It doesn't feels cheap and it handles perfect, it is the perfect balance between daylie driver and sportiness and it is actually the best HotHatch on the market in this price range.
@@xCobi You need a trip to Specsavers.
@@xCobi thats true. From qualtity its the same like my 530 and the Handling and acceleration is top for that price.
Wow... So underpowered for a modern 6 cylinder engine.
To be honest I started following this channel because of the golf r don't get me wrong I like the m140i but the current videos just aren't getting me excited as much as the golf r did I think the golf r has more character than the m140i
I had a Golf R, and I'm absolutely no way shape or form does a Golf have more character. My main problem with the Golf was that it had NO character. My M140i was just mental, and felt like it was always trying to kill me. I liked that.
Really? The R has a four pot with horrible DSG farts when changing gear. The M140i is dominated by that fantastic B58 engine; it’s bloody good.
@@samcourt6228 Not to mention the Golf is a safe, slightly understeery on the limit, AWD car.
the 140 is a mental, overstering, handful, with too much fun.
Has the Rolling Road Calibration Cert expired 😬