with the flair ya gotta go through the routine of preheating the brew head with hot water for a couple of minutes before you reassemble it to make the brew- supposedly with the robot- you don't have to preheat as the brew basket isn't thick metal, but rather just thin aluminum- so it doesn't leach the heat from the hot water as quickly as the flair would if you poured the hot water into cold brewhead. Cleanup with the Robot seems to be much easier too- and you can brew shot after shot without having to preheat the chamber each time- the only downside is how expensive it is- BUT it will likely last a lifetime- so it would be something you can pass down even and it should still work-
Play with pre-infusion also - one of the advantages of manual levers is that you can have pre-infusion without paying for an E61 head. I love my flair, though wonder if it would be replaced by a robot one day.
this Robot is a little marvel! to miss a shot, you have to do it on purpose! my ratio: 18g in 36g out. Depending on the roast, a 10s pre-infusion, then 9 bars, then 8 bars, then 7 bars and I finish at 6 bars for the last 6 grams for a shot under 40s without counting the pre-infusion. Well, just about, because frankly, it's still good.
I've been reading conflicting info online about the grinder you would need for this product. Would you say a premium hand grinder (kinu, comondante, royal grinder, etc) would be suitable for this machine, or would you need something that can go even finer? I feel like the 47 mm burrs from the Kinu or Royal Grinder should be able to get fine enough already....but dont wanna waste money on this machine if my grinder isnt good enough
Another one that works well is the BizPlus Apollo hand grinder. I've been using one for a year, and the grind is as good as I got from my commercial equipment using Robur burrs. I've been using it with a Robot for 5 months now, and am happy as a clam. Another upside is that the pairing is compact enough that I have been traveling with it -- not lightweight, but I prefer the results to most of the shops, and as long as COVID is closing shops, it's often the only game in town.
We are expecting a new shipment in the next week or so. If you sign up for the back in stock emails on the listing, you will receive an email notification when it's back in stock.
Interesting that you effectively had about a 1 minute pre-infusion, between adding the water and beginning the pull. Is this standard in the workflow and what effect does it have on the shot profile?
The ability to infuse the grounds softly is unique to lever machines (and some high tech flow-profiling machines). The idea is to saturate the coffee fully before adding significant pressure. This allows for greater evenness of extraction and also finer grinds than you can use with a traditional espresso machine. This workflow is not necessary, but it is one way to do it!
Thanks for the reply and indeed, - I use a La Pavoni and always do a pre-infusion, but typically only for maybe 10 seconds or so, so what I was wondering is whether your 1 minute was deliberate or just a function of making a video at the same time as making a coffee, which I’m sure isn’t exactly easy?
@@MrHarlequin2316 I'm pretty sure it was just the video-making that interfered. On my Robot, I use boiling water up to just below the top, immediately lock in the portafilter, and then spend 15-30 seconds tidying up before pressing down. The use of more than enough *boiling* water compensates for the amount of heat pulled out by the piston, the basket, the screen, and the portafilter itself. I find it just about perfect for dark roasts. For lighter roasts, I also heat the basket/portafilter in the same water I'm boiling in a little pan.
Bahram MIRMIRAN probably not. I would not buy the machine with an Encore. There’s just too much variance in grind size. Now, Baratza makes a model called the sette, which can dial in espresso grind and has a good price range. You should do some research on a better grinder before you buy a machine.
Like Vincent said, the Encore isn't suited for espresso. You would need to look into a hand grinder like the Kinu, LIDO, or Comandante or the consider the Baratza Sette.
A quick question there are 2 types of the robot one for 20$ and the other for 310$ if you could please tell me the difference between them? Does the 20$ one come with the necessary equipment to me an espresso?
You did not bother to even skim the manual? Two things you did wrong. From the manual: "It is also important not to under fill the basket either. Air compresses whereas water does not, if you have a large void full of air the lever press will feel a bit spongy and not give you good feedback on the pressure you are extracting." Also from the manual: "The PF should be inserted on the left side. Lift the portafilter up and then move it all the way to the right as far as it will go."
This is good. But did you edit your script and overall video flow? Because you should. I like your channel I really do and you should deliver better. Cheers mate
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I love my Robot. Pairs great with the niche zero grinder.
The follow up about the paper filter, missing? A comparison with the latest offering from Flair.?
with the flair ya gotta go through the routine of preheating the brew head with hot water for a couple of minutes before you reassemble it to make the brew- supposedly with the robot- you don't have to preheat as the brew basket isn't thick metal, but rather just thin aluminum- so it doesn't leach the heat from the hot water as quickly as the flair would if you poured the hot water into cold brewhead. Cleanup with the Robot seems to be much easier too- and you can brew shot after shot without having to preheat the chamber each time- the only downside is how expensive it is- BUT it will likely last a lifetime- so it would be something you can pass down even and it should still work-
Play with pre-infusion also - one of the advantages of manual levers is that you can have pre-infusion without paying for an E61 head. I love my flair, though wonder if it would be replaced by a robot one day.
this Robot is a little marvel! to miss a shot, you have to do it on purpose! my ratio: 18g in 36g out. Depending on the roast, a 10s pre-infusion, then 9 bars, then 8 bars, then 7 bars and I finish at 6 bars for the last 6 grams for a shot under 40s without counting the pre-infusion. Well, just about, because frankly, it's still good.
Love to hear it! It really is a great machine for those who want full control of their espresso experience.
Is the space above the liquid that is recommended by the manufacturer sufficient in your opinion, or can you fill it up even almost to the top?
It looked like you were only at 4 bar the whole way? I have one and even 6 bar is strenuous. What is recommended press on the tamp?
saving up for this. thanks for the review 😊
Please compare it to the Flair and the ROK.
I would like to see that too!
how does it compare to Flair Pro 2?
same my question too
Would you get decent/good results paired with the Eureka Manuale? Thank you!
Prices went up, but when is it back in stock?
Hi does the baratza Encore esp match the cafelat robot in term of grind size ?
Hi! Yes, the ESP can grind fine enough for espresso.
Did you use the forte bg? And at what setting?
I've been reading conflicting info online about the grinder you would need for this product. Would you say a premium hand grinder (kinu, comondante, royal grinder, etc) would be suitable for this machine, or would you need something that can go even finer? I feel like the 47 mm burrs from the Kinu or Royal Grinder should be able to get fine enough already....but dont wanna waste money on this machine if my grinder isnt good enough
Hey there! If you have a Kinu you will be equipped with exactly what you need! Kinu's were designed specifically for grinding super fine.
Another one that works well is the BizPlus Apollo hand grinder. I've been using one for a year, and the grind is as good as I got from my commercial equipment using Robur burrs. I've been using it with a Robot for 5 months now, and am happy as a clam. Another upside is that the pairing is compact enough that I have been traveling with it -- not lightweight, but I prefer the results to most of the shops, and as long as COVID is closing shops, it's often the only game in town.
are you expecting another shipment in the near future? they're always sold out when i check. would love to buy from you guys
if you go to the robot's website, they sell it , but international shipping takes 1-2 weeks.
We are expecting a new shipment in the next week or so. If you sign up for the back in stock emails on the listing, you will receive an email notification when it's back in stock.
Interesting that you effectively had about a 1 minute pre-infusion, between adding the water and beginning the pull. Is this standard in the workflow and what effect does it have on the shot profile?
The ability to infuse the grounds softly is unique to lever machines (and some high tech flow-profiling machines). The idea is to saturate the coffee fully before adding significant pressure. This allows for greater evenness of extraction and also finer grinds than you can use with a traditional espresso machine. This workflow is not necessary, but it is one way to do it!
Thanks for the reply and indeed, - I use a La Pavoni and always do a pre-infusion, but typically only for maybe 10 seconds or so, so what I was wondering is whether your 1 minute was deliberate or just a function of making a video at the same time as making a coffee, which I’m sure isn’t exactly easy?
@@MrHarlequin2316 I'm pretty sure it was just the video-making that interfered. On my Robot, I use boiling water up to just below the top, immediately lock in the portafilter, and then spend 15-30 seconds tidying up before pressing down. The use of more than enough *boiling* water compensates for the amount of heat pulled out by the piston, the basket, the screen, and the portafilter itself. I find it just about perfect for dark roasts. For lighter roasts, I also heat the basket/portafilter in the same water I'm boiling in a little pan.
Do the SILICONE SEALS affect the brew because of their supposed (natural) ODOUR - especially when exposed to HOT WATER?
No, not at all.
for grinding coffee at home I have a "Baratza Encore", can I get decent result with cafelat Robot with this grinder?
Bahram MIRMIRAN probably not. I would not buy the machine with an Encore. There’s just too much variance in grind size. Now, Baratza makes a model called the sette, which can dial in espresso grind and has a good price range. You should do some research on a better grinder before you buy a machine.
Like Vincent said, the Encore isn't suited for espresso. You would need to look into a hand grinder like the Kinu, LIDO, or Comandante or the consider the Baratza Sette.
@@primacoffeeequipment Eureka Manuale?
Do you think the Brewista Smart Scale II would fit under the Cafelat Robot?
unfortunately not direct fit, only in similar "angle style" as shown in the video
I want one!
Can you compare it with the flair?
We will have a comparison of the Flair and Robot coming out soon! Keep an eye out for it.
I find it easier to get the right water temperature with the much cheaper ROK.
Hi, can you make a review video comparing distribution tool like ocd, mahlgut doser, asso coffee jack leveler, etc...
Rok presso has the actual portafilter can fit with ocd and tamper and best results
I love my flair, this one interesting
A quick question there are 2 types of the robot one for 20$ and the other for 310$ if you could please tell me the difference between them? Does the 20$ one come with the necessary equipment to me an espresso?
Back to Renaissance!
Stay caffeinated, quarantined.
You did not bother to even skim the manual? Two things you did wrong.
From the manual:
"It is also important not to under fill the basket either. Air compresses whereas water does not, if you have a large void full of air the lever press will feel a bit spongy and not give you good feedback on the pressure you are extracting."
Also from the manual:
"The PF should be inserted on the left side. Lift the portafilter up and then move it all the way to the right as far as it will go."
I have found that neither of these issues interferes with making amazing shots. Hats off to Paul, the inventor!
This is good. But did you edit your script and overall video flow? Because you should. I like your channel I really do and you should deliver better. Cheers mate
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