Why Are People Trying To Phase Out These Great Steels? - TKG 221
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Some GREAT knife steels are being mislabeled as "obsolete" and it's getting ridiculous.
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Love that you put this out. I see so many people hate on S30V, S45VN, D2, 154CM for no reason other than they heard or read that 1 stat is superior ❤
S45vn is one of my favourite steels. 🥰
To be fair S30V can be a bitch and a half to deburr. And d2 can be a bit finicky to sharpen, but it offers so much edge retention at such a low price.
s45 is fucking amazing, basically elmax.
I like all except D2. I have knives in D2, so don't hate it. But for me, 154CM has the same toughness, negligible difference in edge retention, and much better corrosion resistance, so it makes more sense.
haha I am going to hate on D2 as well because it's a pain to sharpen and wears stones quickly I am not a fan of the mega super steels for the same reason. My favorites S30V, S35VN, S45VN, 154CM, and Nitro V too they nail the balance on ease of sharpening and corrosion resistance.
I've carried my trusty Griptillian in 154CM for a very good long while. Most of its time was in my pocket while in pharmacy where it would cut plastic straps holding medication shipments. It's also been in my pocket while working on cars, and doing nearly every daily task around. I've honestly never oiled or really done much to maintain the blade but it's had no corrosion whatsoever and after nearly 10 years or so (of admittedly fairly light use) it's probably finally ready to be thoroughly sharpened. It's for that reason I love 154CM. I've been able to keep it tucked away in a pocket and essentially forget about it and it just keeps right on trucking. It's been a fantastic steel for me over the years and I've recently purchased a few more knives in the steel to give the benchmade a break lol. It's not the newest or the greatest of super steels but for me (a fairly average knife user) it's been great.
Edge retention is king until the first time they go to sharpen something above 440. Then its hated and never gets truly sharpened due to lack of patience. Its all in what your capable of maintaining.
If I cant sharpen it in 5 minutes after work I dont want it.
Depends on your sharpening equipment though.
That is a very important point. If you have a 65hrc blade and you bring out your 20$ amazon whetstones, you will have a frustrating evening.
If you go hard you have to buy expensive tools to maintain it and "learn" how to use them. You don't give it to your scissor sharpener at the local Mall.
Same goes with cars. If your car is incredibly fast, you must learn to handle it properly.
@callyacaos5339 you can easily sharpen the new Rex 121 Sage 5 at 72ish HRC on a $30 worksharp field sharpener.
Not even remotely true tho
D2 and S35VN take about the same amount of time to sharpen
WITH THE RIGHT TOOLS
Use a good diamond stone, not a 20$ “whet stone” from Amazon
And you’ll be surprised at how fast you can sharpen a hard steel
Why buy a 100$, 200$ 500$+ knife
Then sharpen it on a 15$ sharpening stone
Like buying a Lambo and cheaping out on the tires
Edge retention doesn't matter when you have more knives than days of the year.
😅😅That's me. Plus I love to sharpen.
Most people could stop with anything in VG10, 154cm, 14c28n, s30v and a worksharp field sharpener, that is all that they would really need. Between those compositions you get a ton of variety but similar quality
Magnacut is perfect for me. Cut tons of sheetrock, plastic shipping straps, cardboard, wet bags of gravel n mortar n sand, wood shims n of course my steak n fruits n veggies 😅
Edge always comes right back with a little honing and strop with 1 micron diamond paste on leather so fast and easy
My guy, magnacut is perfect for everyone XD
@call_me_mado5987 yea, like...no really? The steel with the highest stat balance in all 3 categories is perfect for you??? 😂
@@yoinky you have 2 comments here (ever) and both are inflammatory. I'll make sure everyone knows not to take you seriously if this is your whole goal. That, or I can just get rid of you permanently. Make better decisions
Magnacut is also my favorite. It's amazing how easily cardboard, tape, and plastic destroys blades and Magnacut does some to hold up the best to that type of work.
You are soooooo right about s30v! Give me Spyderco s30v over We 20cv every day all day
Many people don’t realize you can only strengthen 1-2 attributes of steel while having to sacrifice another of the three, edge retention, toughness, and corrosion res; you can’t maximize all three. Maybe a better rephrase idk.
Edit, people also need to look at Spyderco’s steel chart on their web and see how similar cpm20cv, cpm s30v, cpms90v, and magnacut are in terms of composition. S90v being the oldest of the four made in the 90’s has the most basic composition but shares all of it’s elements in the other three steels described and has the highest vanadium amount. S90v also shares the same chromium amount with s30v. While inferior in amounts of vanadium to s90v, Magnacut also shares the same vanadium amount as 20cv and s30v. Just saying there is lots of similarities between these four.
That’s why S90V for example (side note, why don’t we get S110V blades? It’s tougher and more stainless than S90V, while not losing too much edge retention)
S90V at 60 HRC, will have like 35% higher edge retention then 20CV at the same hardness
But 20CV is like 25% more stainless and 10% tougher then S90V
It’s all a trade off
Most people don’t need the endless toughness of a 56 HRC low alloy steel, so losing 50% of the toughness of a blade isn’t all that big of a deal when you increase Carbon and Chromium carbides
Then there are other carbide makers such as Vanadium and Molybdenum, which are both significantly better at their respective roles over Carbon and Chromium
Needing less of the more expensive materials, but getting similar edge retention and stainless properties
That’s why Magnacut is so tough
It has fewer total carbides, while using more expensive carbides in higher amounts then normal, to get a tougher blade as well as the other elements
That and added nitrogen and niobium carbides make the blade tougher
We are getting closer and closer to the best possible material science
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 we are and it is really cool to see the evolution of knife steel composition
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 have a s110v native 5.......
@@OneMinuteKnifeReview he obviously meant why don’t we get s110v more in the modern day market vs the “hype” steels
@@ArrowVelocity i think you said it, the hype
S30v on my native 5 is fantastic!
Wait… so when a new steel is created, the steels that came before don’t cease to function?!
Wish I hadn’t thrown all my D2 knives away!! 😆
It’s funny how the average knife user will obsess over a steel’s composition but doesn’t obsess over much more important things - like the tires they put on their automobile for example (which are used FAR more often and on which their lives and the lives of their families actually depend).
Such is the power of influence and marketing.
It’s an upside down world we live in!
🤣
Yeah, I hate that I had to throw away my dad's old Buck 110 when came out. That old Buck skinned a lot of deer, elk, and pronghorn, it used to do every job asked of it and was easy to sharpen and maintain, but when came out, it suddenly just stopped cutting and then dissolved into dust. I hate it when that happens.
Why not just collect and appreciate different steel compositions and admire each of there attributes it's expensive but enjoyable😊
😢but😅, I find myself doing the same along with different lock mechanisms
I think the craziest thing, is unless you're doing actual cut test comparisons. You could hand anyone a knife for day to day tasks. And it wouldn't matter what steel it was. They wouldn't know or couldn't tell the difference as long as it had a working edge.
Not sure about this. I've had cruwear survive drops edge first onto concrete and s110v chip cutting old caulk.
But you KNEW what it was. I'm saying if I gave you a knife with no labeling.
@@SMS2884 Huh? I'm saying if I used an unlabeled blade to cut caulk and it snapped a tip I'd know it was not very tough steel. I could definitely tell the difference if I switched to an unlabeled blade in cruwear and it didn't chip or break.
Likewise, doing yardwork for a day with D2 here in the south will bring out corrosion on the blade. This would also show up regardless of if it was labeled or not.
Ya know, for being so interested in chemistry, you're correct saying I've never done anything with a knife another knife couldn't do too! Maybe edge holding is prized because it's the only thing that's measurably different
@@dan_taninecz_geopol I guess you're missing the point. It's all good. Have a good day.
Great video, I admit i fall into the steel type hype too much.
I do too but it's when I want to up the novelty when I buy a knife the alloy being common detractsthat which for me is painful. So ultimately it's me cutting my enjoyment. My own worst enemy
I learned D2 is great if heat treat matches what you want to do, I found that very true, some D2 is crap if way soft. But get it up and it's awesome
The worst D2 is the chippiest sort, nothing worse than a blade that chips rather than rolling, that shit is hard to fix.
Love me some D2. Not had a single problem with it in the 10-12 knives I own with it. Lucky I guess, but it sharpens nicely and always kept an edge longer than I expected.
Back in the “old days” D2 was a super steel
@@cwalker228 If im not mistaken , D2 originates from WW2, that's quite a time back lol, of course it has been modified a bit, hasn't stayed the same.
I think the issue with this rant really comes down to two main issues. First is that most knife people know s30v is more than good enough for the vast majority if not all pocket knife tasks. MC is cool if the price is right but I love s35vn for most of my folders personally. Rarely would be able to notice a difference between s30v and s35vn in all honesty. The issue is then putting premium price tags on s30v g10 type knives. Bodacious for example, I'm sure its a great capable enough knife but $280 for s30v and flat g10 is, imo, at least $80 to $100 overpriced. Especially when Kershaw has well priced MC and aluminum knives available. Wheres the disconnect? That is a very valid complaint. The Second issue is most knife collectors aren't really knife users. Thats not a dig just facts the people who work in an office and don't camp or do outdoors things aren't using a knife as an actual tool. So it then does become about the newest greatest steel available. It's pocket jewelry to show off to other knife people first a tool second. They do want to phase out s30v for that reason.
Ageed 👍 My most used are s35, 14c, or 154cm. Only have 1 elmax from ray laconico & 1 s90v from divo. All of which are used. Had a koenig arius & sold it because I didn't want to use it (price go's 👇)
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!??!
MC probably
S30v is still great steel, but it should be cheaper.
I like s30v more than 35 or 45!
Why though?
Nitro V is my ride or die until I can afford a Strider
Lmao what kinda crap knives are you making
K so I’ve been in the knife world for a long while now
And I do have to admit D2 hasn’t lost its luster with me such a performer everyone uses it now it’s just everywhere and it’s still really good I don’t care what the hater’s say
I preordered a sage 5 rex 121 and then cancelled because i did more research. I consider myself a newbie although i’ve always carried a pocket knife. Couldnt tell ya to save my life what kind of blade steel my old kershaw chive and leek used. Ever since i bought a para 3 in s45vn (and sharpened it myself), ive been diving down the rabbit hole of learning about blade steels! I still want a sage 5 but i think im gonna go with the spy27 steel because it seems like a good balance of toughness and harndness for my everyday use. Great video 🤙
I thought about the the sage in rex, then reminded myself I didn't really need that steel 😅
Think in terms of bastard files. They're very hard (high hrc). They'll shatter if dropped on a hard surface. Such as concrete..
Well said. I recall meeting Earnest Emerson at a knife show about 15 years ago. He clearly explained that 154CM steel "did everything it was supposed to do. " His product is a lethal combat weapon. Now I'll admit that I enjoyed the ride of collecting. Your video today needed to be said for our evolving knife community.
I am new and I really appreciate the advice aimed at us newbies.
Welcome.
I've been in the addiction- hobby about 2 years and joke that the only people with the same time in that know more about pocket knives have some tism.
Now, that being said, I still feel like a newb. Just a slightly refined newb hahaha
🤘🏼✌🏼
THANK YOU for making this video!! I'm an older guy and I have been collecting for a little over a Decade. I love S30V!! I've had almost every steel para 2 spyderco has made and the only one I actually EDC is my oldest S30V. It has performed like a champ! It's cut everything it's needed to. I've put it through the laundry more than once (by accident)LOL! Today it is currently one of the sharpest knives in my collection! I love all the Metals that have fallen out of favor S30V, M390/20cv and D2!! All if heat treated are AMAZING!!! I've fallen in love with S90V but that's another story. So cheers!! Thanks for fighting the good fight and keep up the great content!!!
Knives are to cut things with, Not pry things open or apart and knives are not screw drivers either, Use them to cut things with and learn how to sharpen and you can enjoy all the different types of steel
Try telling that to the average Joe and Jill 😅😅😅
I’ll admit I initially started to get caught up in steel composition when I first got into pocket knives, which wasn’t all that long ago. I have a lot of hobbies though and always end up deep down a rabbit hole so I did tons of reading and got a better grasp on things. Even now knowing what I know I still catch and have to remind myself of two main things, 1. there are many factors that affect the properties of a blade and 2. many of the “lower end” high quality steels are amazing. The single biggest thing for me was learning how to sharpen a knife really well, that relieved the bias of prioritizing edge retention so highly. I now get just as excited for new sharpening stones as I do for a new knife or instead of spending time hunting for a new knife I’ll go spend time seeing how good of an edge I can get on my current knives. I still understand people who get caught up in collecting and owning different knives/steels, it’s all fun if you can remember to not take things too seriously.
As a blue collar guy who uses their knives at work, I can definitely appreciate things like S90V and Maxamet. I can get a week out of said steels where something like cruwear or d2 can be trashed in a day. Wouldn't even make it a full day with something like 8cr.
How's the toughness? Genuinely curious as I've no experience using either. Id like an edge that can last a week but Ill also bang on the spine with a hammer or side torque it to pry staples etc. Hard to find something that gives both. Best I've found is PFs N690 on the fixed beluga which will hold an edge 3 or 4 days of hard regular use
S90V lasting a week is crazy work brother. Have you considered investing in a good utility blade?
What work are you doing with a knife? Specifically. That would help the convo.
@@johnpaulgonzalesLWB I used the week number because he did. As I said. Zero experience with the stuff. And utility blades are thin chippy crap for what I do
@@johnpaulgonzalesLWBhi, whats a good utility blade in your opinion? Thank you
TBH, I feel the same for VG10... all my decade old Spydies in VG10 are fan-freaking-tastic. I definitely got a blade in Magnacut when one came out that I can afford, (thank you Bestec), but I didn't do it because my other knives in other steels don't work, far from it. I'm a small collector... that's it. But I would be able to recommend 14C or Nitro-V for anyone that needs a damn good knife, VG10 as well. S30V is STILL a step up from those steels, so I would happily recommend that, too.
Consumerism is everywhere, and the best way to sell new things is to make the old stuff seem obsolete.
Hell, Buck 420HC is fine for much of what anyone would need a pocket knife for. I definitely appreciate this vid and the message behind it.
Just found your channel and you definitely earned a sub.
Blade geometry is more important to me than steel composition. Any blade steel will cut if it is sharp and maintained that way. I have more issues with handle materials than steel type. Super steel (s90v) matched with an injection molded plastic handle doesn't appeal to me. Oh! Did I open another can of worms?
My experience has been that even using some of the more got to have steels such as 20cv, s90v, maxamet are all wonderful steels for what they are designed for, however as a professional first responder when I look at what I do and what I need a blade for I generally have 2 go to steels…s30v and magnacut.. I find those to be very well balanced with good toughness…and quite honestly in my line of work I’m still not pushing those steels to their limits…the interesting thing is both of these steels is they were specifically designed for cutlery…and s30v is very similar to magnacut with the exception being in corrosion resistance…when heat treated correctly of course…now I may be in the minority but when I get asked what I use and recommend from my experience I recommend s30v from a good manufacturer known for doing heat treating and geometry correctly…my daily carry is either a manix 2 …shaman or a griptillian
Magnacut is about 3x as tough as S30V with the same edge retention. S90V has about 33% more edge retention than S30V with the same toughness. Sorry, it's obsolete.
Then why are companies still making knives with s30v ? Why is it still so awesome of Steel ? S90v and magnacut are awesome too.
@Jmon808 Mostly because they are used to working that steel, and it's cheaper than the better steels. The only real benefit to the consumer is that it's slightly cheaper.
I haven’t been in this hobby for that long, but as a knife guy. I honestly don’t care what the steel is as long as it CUTS.
Yes, I try collecting steels that I don’t have, but I will also admit that most of the time all I ever do with a knife is open letters, cut boxes, cut box tape, or cut cord.
I buy what I buy because I just have a passion for it and my hobbies distract me from the burdens of life. 🤣
TKG is the best part of my Sundays
This and Tristate live. Don’t forget about Tristate EDC
Right???
i love my spyderco amalgam in s30v but i just buy my knives based on appearance
Happy are those like you!
We really need more videos with ding dong grandpa! I haven't laughed that hard in a while watching a youtube video. I think its because it sounds like something one of my family members would say.
Of all the steels out there, few if any were designed for pocket knives. Once you include fixed blade knives and industrial knives,, there are a lot of extra applications that are more likely to really need particular steel properties.
I still have good knives in ATS34
That's like Aus8 and Aus10... with the new shark cub being Aus10 a lot of people said... not for that price. It should be x or y. But personally, all the other options people wanted were worse, IMO.
An just like you touched on, all the other options people wanted had better edge retention but way less toughness.
I like Aus8 more than Aus10 in some ways for it's toughness. I carry a Utility knife at work and even a Oknife Utility in my fifth pocket every day. I don't need my knife to hold an edge for cutting boxes and stuff. I need it for hard use tasks that would snap or chip a lot of other steels.
That's like CPM 3V is another favorite of mine. I'll take it over s35vn or m390 almost any day.
I wish more companies would use cmp d2.
Good enough for JB Stout, good enough for me.
Why does aus10a seem so underrated? It’s sooo stinking tough and the edge retention seems better than good to me!
It's not bad, just outclassed today by most other budget steels, 14c28n, 9cr13Mov, nitro-v, D2. Aus10a is very good for a fixed blade, but for a pocket knife, you don't need such a tough steel, it's not like you'll be prying things open, or batoning with it. Unless you are a psychopath....
@@call_me_mado5987on paper and in real life - AUS10 outperforms 9cr in every category. You just fell into the recency bias trap.
AUS10 is a great steel. Don’t listen to the guy above. It’s in the same category as those steels he listed and actually outperforms 9cr in every category.
Because of Aus 8 ruining it’s reputation
@@just9911 Just realized my sleepy ass though of AUS8 instead of AUS10a... yeah but AUS10A that is definitely a solid steel. But that's why you do your research. Thanks for correcting me tho.
I've been around knives most of my life: Military, Chef, Trail guide, Pro Sharpening service, FMA practitioner.
I'm comfortable with all of the following:
420hc
440c
Aus 8,10
4116
X50
VG10
D2
1075,1095,5160
Depending on use.
Heat treat and Geometry are paramount. The rest is hype.
Buy a stone, learn how to sharpen. Best relaxing pastime ever.😊.Mordi.
I remember when knives with D2, 154CM or ATS-34 blades were considered PREMIUM knives. S30V was a major upgrade to those steels which relegated them to obscurity. I much prefer knives with S30V, 154CM/ATS-34, or D2 knives. Knives with these steels can be cheaply made, and the steels’ best heat treatment are well known and documented. Give me a knife made with 154CM/ATS-34 over 14C18N any day. Give me an S30V knife over an S35VN knife any time.
New drinking game
Any time MC says troglodyte take a drink 😂
A knife is a cutting tool. It's ONLY job is to CUT! Nothing more, nothing less. Edge retention means nothing if you can't and don't know how to sharpen your knife. S30V is a great steel and is till relevant. Sad thing is many manufacturers already phased it out of production and it's not an option anymore.
14C28N is one of my absolute favorites. It’s easy to hone to a screaming sharp edge and takes abuse well as a work knife. It dulls eventually but again, easy to bring back. S30 is great but sharpening is a job and I think the 14C28N can hone a little better due to smaller carbides.
My Sage 5 with carbon fiber scales in S30V gets the most pocket time. I sometimes wonder why CPM even made S35VN and S45VN, given how little difference there is between these 3 steels. I guess S35VN and S45VN are slightly tougher, but S30V is probably slightly more corrosion resistant and holds an edge slightly better. And then Spyderco had SPY27 created, which seems almost identical to S45VN. Seems like a lot of R&D for minimal returns.
This rant made me think of the Spyderco Subvert and why I didn’t want to go near it until the sprint run came out. Was it because S30V was unacceptable and they finally made a version in CPM-20CV? Nope. It’s because I loathed the abomination that was the orange G10 scales on the standard version and jumped with both feet when they offered it in carbon fiber. S30V would have been fine. Hell, G10 in another color would have been fine, too, or some flavor of micarta… don’t care… anything but the orange.
It makes me a little sad to see companies like Al Mar (Japan) left in the dust. Partly I attribute it to the customers/market getting really stuck on steel alone. In actuality, their heat treats on VG-10 and AUS-8 were very good. Whenever a company sticks to their “classic designs,” they can seemingly fall behind other modern offerings in the market. At some level I respect having the same knives in their catalog over the years (“if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”). Benchmade has done it with the Griptilian and 940 series, although admittedly they have more steels and handle materials now. I suppose it can be a catch-22: do you try something new and risk alienating your original customer base, or stick to the same and risk not appealing to new customers? Overall, you made some excellent points. My two favorite steels to sharpen are 154CM and S30V - both “old school,” but perfectly viable for edc.
Yeah, but this nail ain't gonna drive itself, and the pipe wrench I usually use to drive nails is way over there. And the last nail I drove needs to come out. Hey, I carry a pocket knife! It might not be optimal but I can reach it from here and it'll do both those tasks...
Thanks for railing on a bit of reality. One of my favorite and best knives is made of S30V. It has cut open more than a couple steel and aluminum cans, but not driven any nails.
I put a mirror polish edge on a friends Spyderco manix 2 in S30V. They do such a good heat treatment. You can tell the difference.
I have no problem with 8cr13mov or 9cr18mov. For a large percentage of job tasks and people this wouldbo work. Being a knife guy I always have a sharpener on hand.Kind of reminds me of the BDZ1 rage,couldn't get enough material to meet demand so it disappeared. I made a post on the Hogue site asking about 30cv on the Ballista XL, no response,guess it's not current enough. Enjoy your content
I am not saying that S30V sucks but I personally don't like it. I have cleaned and sharpened a lot of knives for friends and family and S30V almost always needs some rust cleaned off and chips sharpened out. I've seen much fewer issues with S35VN. It's edge retention isn't quite as good but it's so much easier to work with and doesn't rust or chip nearly as easily. I wouldn't be upset if S30V became less commonly used.
S35VN was co-created by Chris Reeve specifically for folding knives. I have no idea why anyone would turn his nose up on that. I guess the knife community is starting to resemble the fashion community.The fashion commuity is extremely mock-worthy. The troll inside me is giddy with excitement.
Jump to TH-cam video of JoBob soaking his Magnacut blade is salt water for a few days only to learn that it can develop rust! Quick Bubba, grabs da shotgun wees been lied to!
Great rant and thanks for giving s30v and family some love. Given proper care, its ballance makes it one of the all-time greats.
I have two chefs knives one s35 and the other s45. Two of the best knives I own. The steels are perfect for their designe brief.
TKG is a fixture for Sundays. 👍👍🔪 I certainly enjoy picking up the latest steels. But I really focused on my sharpening skills when S30V became mainstream. I guess I'm fortunate,,, I still like it,, but I damn sure bought a Rex121 🤣 Thanks M.C.
On day one with the Maxamet Sage 1 I damaged the blade tip cutting straps around pavers. Must have caught a piece of gravel that was wedged between the strap and the paver. That gouge will always be there. And that's why working on stones gravel and landscaping is done with an inexpensive D2 bladed knife.
S30v is better then s35vn in my opinion. Sharpening is a little tougher but now a days with Diamond stones it’s not too bad. I’ll take s30v any day.
People definitely poop on 30cv these days
If MC dropped a Excalibur in a Bolster lock, Micarta, and S30V I’d buy it the day it dropped.
Same
Iv got some krupp 4.116 really stainless supposedly tough. I chipped the factory edge and now I'm worried to use it any more. Yes toughness is better in high hrc steels. Cruwear is probably 10 points higher hrc. Iv gotta put some time on the krupp yet but use your heads. I like my tough steels for said reason, & stainless is very important when using for food.
I just need it not to rust. I love sharpening so if i have to sharpen it all the time then great. Ill still take some magnacut or vanax. Lol. Perfectly heat treated m390 with perfect geometry on my Demko River Wolf is probably the best cutter I've ever had.
I have so many knives my Spyderco with 8cr13mov is still super slicey and I've never needed to sharpen it. No corrosion issues either, though I've had a d2 knife become corroded just by sitting unused
also, so far I've had really good results with my Civivi Praxis I think it's the 9 cr mov it's easy to sharpen. it seems to hold an edge fairly well and I've been using it lately as my day-to-day
What I wonder about is cost of different steels. Buck makes some knives with the old 420hc and its $50. But if you want a better steel like s35vn is $140. I understand its different and in demand but does it really cost $100 more? Its not like there is more steel in one than the other. Is it just manufacturing costs or is it just perceived value?
I needed my fainting couch when you started saying a knife can’t be used for everything. How dare you 😂
Good talk though, a lot of people need to hear it. So many people shit over any and every steel that doesn’t hit 64 and act like it’s butter.
For my limited use at work and everyday life, budget stainless steels like 14c28n, 154cm, and 9cr13mov do pretty much everything I need. I have a Kershaw in 20cv, but I really can't tell much of a difference except that I don't have to strop it back quite as much. I was never a huge steel snob even though I do find learning about them very interesting, but that was more for the sake of finding the best value steel instead of the BEST at edge retention.
This is a great video topic! I used to get mesmerized but all the new fancy super steels but I have come to realize that I don't need any of those fancy steels and I'm sure that most knife owners don't either! Sure, I have many different steels and I enjoy the variety but I don't like to feel bullied into buying the newest steels just to have them! If you think about it, America was built with knives and tools made from far less quality steels! Lots of rough country was conquered and many trails were blazed with plain old carbon steel an somehow we made it to where we are now! If you want to be a true collector...enjoy new steel offerings but don't be afraid to embrace tried and true steels! They will still serve you well.
S30V is like the Toyota Camry or Honda Civic of knife steels in my opinion super reliable, easy to sharpen. definitely holds an edge for a good amount of time as well
@metal_complex I think you’re dead ass right about this issue of Blade steel I’m only about three years into the community and have had so many confusing past. I’ve gone down with Wade steel and treatment and why companies don’t do what other people say they should do to hit the no high numbers. I’ve asked questions and live stream that I cringe at now.and send Instagram messages that I cringe at now. I really think you should create a video that is for brand new to the knife community people and pin it in your I don’t know your page or your channel that way you can kind of talk through the various issues of evaluating and selecting a knife and God and help them avoid cringe moments like mine.
I kinda dropped off the steel hype train after I have learned how to sharpen my edges. I have a collection of many different knives and steels but I started really enjoying my knives with stuff like D2 and S30v
Always a great discussion MC. I must point out that you are part of that "problem" by pointing out different steels in knives and how you do it. If you look at your Maxace Black Mirror video, you specifically point out the quality of the steel for the price. Same thing with your Kunwu Padre review when you say "This steel is usually reserved for much more expensive knives". I've heard you say that in several videos. I'm not saying it's bad, not in the least, but whether you like it or not you are an influencer when it comes to viewer purchases. I've purchased several knives based on your particular review and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm part of the "problem" because I'm sick of M390 and would like to see more S90V, lol.
What difference do you find in those two steels? And how do you think S90V benefits you more? If you don't mind me asking.
@@Naptosis Like most folks around here, including MC, I'm a casual knife user. Meaning I open packages, cut up cardboard boxes and other light duty things. I've had bad luck with M390 when it comes to edge retention. I'm sure that has to do with bad heat treats as MC has pointed out on several occasions. S90V is easier to heat treat and holds an edge 3-4 times as long. At least in my experience.
The steels in reference didn't become expensive/popular after I pointed out that they were expensive/popular. I don't have any effect on the cost/popularity of this stuff. S90V/M390/ZDP have actually come DOWN in price since my presence on TH-cam. There were simply nowhere near the same number of S30V blades out there. I think this comment is off base, but I appreciate it anyway.
My point was that S30V/D2 etc are still great. Definitely not outdated.
@@metal_complex I totally agree with you about D2 and S30V. I own a few Spydercos with S30V and numerous others with D2 and have no complaints. The videos I referenced aren't ancient. The Padre Review came out last year and Black Mirror no more than two years ago.
@timothy9596 right, but either way, my praise and observations were just that. Praise and observations. My words didn't influence anything as far as where the steels sat in terms of popularity / spotlight in the community.
I have to laugh a bit at the "and it's not even MagnaCut" crowd, but I also want to thank them for turning up their noses to so many excellent knives in steels like S45VN making it easier for me to acquire them.
Because people(knife snobs) want to pay more than they need to for a knife they will most likely never use for anything but flicking and cutting some paper products with while simultaneously complaining about a "smiley face" that may occur should they ever needlessly sharpen the fancy super steel knife they hardly use.
Hey man thanks so much for all the info, I'm relatively new and I really need this information! And I think you're 100% on the mark! Thanks again!
People are messy. We all are guilty to some extent. I actually like how some companies, such as Kubey for one example, build a premium knife and use budget and mid-tier steels. You get a fancy pants build you can still enjoy because lets face it, ain't none of us using our fancy pants knives to scrape the old wax seal off of an old toilet flange.
I buy knives as a user and as a bit of a collector. I really don't get too worked up over the steel types, even if I do have my favorites. I don't get the S30V hate. It's totally fine as an EDC steel.
I recently bought the WMK Vision FG in s30v and it cuts like a LIGHTSABER! I love it.
Lololol thanks for that laugh. That’s spaghetti-o’s comment make me choke on the PRIME I was drinking!
back when i did drugs i couldnt sharpen a knife id steal a case medium Trapper and carry it till all the blades were dull. id pawn it after that and go steal another. years later i hate thiefs and drugs. I love s30 on my Bugout i paid full price for and another $150 making it stand out.. i love it and i beat it
I just sharpened my Civivi Brazin tanto with D2. It came out very well. I heard that D2 was hard to get a great edge on. I guess they were talking out of their azz.
Great video sir.... My daily carry is almost always D2... i use it for my needs for the day, hit it up on the strop and it is razor sharp for the next day... Geometry and heat treat... plus a good strop can keep a knife lasting for many years..
My hard use knife is in S30v and it's fantastic, holds and edge, easily touched up, just keeps working.
S30v is still really good. Makers know how to HT and grind it now (not the case when it first came out with Benchmade) and it performs great. I have a Fantoni that's 61-62hrc and a small cusom fixed blade thats 63hrc and they peform amazing (pretty sure they won't be good for cutting through nails though). I enjoy my older Spyderco and Benchmades in it as well.
Just as a reminder, high hardness steels are stronger than low hardness. Hardness and strength are directly correlated. Its just that high strength and low toughness skips right past bending right to shattering with no warning so they seem like they break more easily when you would have stopped prying when your low strength steel felt like it was bending. Its a false argument that they break more easily.
MC makes me laugh with his mocking voice impressions and talking like a caveman level vocabulary!!!!
If I were to buy a fancy shmancy knife I’d like it to have a fancy shmancy steel. If I were to buy a knife I plan to use I’d like it to have a steel that’s meant to be used.
I’ve been collecting for close to 30 years (mostly in the sub $150 range), I can remember when S35VN was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!! Way out of my price range! Of course I can remember when it started dropping as well, I bought as many knives with that steel as I could afford! Truly if my collection could consist of 14c, S35 and Elmax…I’d be totally happy! Like most collectors I have enough knives to keep a solid monthly rotation, I don’t even come close to using the potential of 14c…let alone S35 or Elmax. But I do enjoy the variety.
Really not seeing a lot of reason to run anything but magnacut, cruwear and 1095 anymore beyond maybe cost.
I rock S30V everyday Benchmade Volli 1000001 baby!
I remember when BG42 was used on Sebenzas and customs and I never see it anymore. I used own a $400 Dosier custom folder in D2. I used to have a double lock back traditional knife by PJ Tomes in 12C27, I bought around 2001 and it was the most expensive knife I ever bought at $600. Realistically, it was a gents knife and it would have lasted for years with that steel if used properly. Wonder steels are great, but most of are not going to come close to wearing out our expensive knives.
One trend I do love, however, is 154cm on inexpensive knives. Kizer uses it on lots of inexpensive knives.
All this talk about steel when edge geometry is the more important factor when it comes to cutting performance.
S30V is my favorite steel followed by 14C28N.
Thanks man. Great video here on an important topic. It’s a shame that so many people are putting down some of the best steels from “yesterday”. Well done. 👍
Having been in the tool & die for many years, there is always a balance between hardness and toughness.
I love S30v. That said, new steels sell knives. Personally I prefer the easier to sharpen steels over the super hard high edge retention steels.
Edge retention toughness hardness blade geometry and corrosion resistance are all the things I look for in a blade. Overall I look for good ergos, fun factor, good detent, multiple ways to deploy the blade comfortably, fidget factor, etc.
Thanks for educating me over the last 6 years MC! 😎👍
maybe the conversation should be on heat treat quality within the community
Man ! You are destroying all the fun hype! Thanks for spreading some knowledge.
It’s not a problem at all if you have your favourite steels for whatever reason. There are so many fantastic high end steels and if you like them, that’s perfectly fine. There are also many excellent “budget steels“ and you can also love them. 14C28N, NitroV, 154CM, even 10Cr… or Becut … all great. Gosh, I have some knives with 440A which are great. I love that we have the choice and we can enjoy all those fantastic steels.
Am I the only one that screamed Spyderco after he said 123?