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EckhartsLadder I want to see a new versus series. The battle would be a 5 vs 5 shadow scout aka imperial storm commandos vs republic commandos aka clone commandos
I have an issue with your description of the weaponry. Quad laser cannons have always been notable anti-starfighter weapons, not necessarily great capital ship weapons. Turbolasers are the primary anti-capital ship weapon
I was thinking this as well. From my understanding the Immobilizer was mostly armed to protect itself from fighters and corvettes while the Star Destroyers it was with would focus on capital ship engagement. The MC30 on the other hand is far better armed with both medium turbo lasers and heavy proton torpedoes met for capital ship engagement and the twin laser canons and cluster bombs are to help deal with fighters.
have to agree all the descriptions of the quad lasers on the 418 are anti-fighter not anti-cap ship....hence firepower wise and overall the battle would go to the MC30
The MC30 is pulled from hyper space by the Imobilizer. The Imobilizer immediately opens fire, using its superior speed the MC30 gets far from the Imobilizer and gets behind it. But not before taking considerable damage. The Imobilizer sends its TIEs after the MC30. The MC30 has to act quickly, it fires its torpedoes at the back of the Imobilizer. The TIEs are upon it, it must divert its attention to them. While the MC30 is distracted the Imobilizer gets into better position and fires all it has at the MC30. The MC30 is unable to to take out all the TIEs and evade the Imobilizer. In a last effort it unleashes all its weapons into the weakest points of the Imobilizer. But it is not enough, knowing it is doomed the MC30 charges the Imobilizer at full thrust. The Imobilizer is too slow and the dying MC30 rams right into the back gravity well. The Imobilizer gives a shutter then the gravity well explodes with a force so huge it rips the Imobilizer in half and the MC30 is blown to pieces. I pronounce this battle a TIE, I mean tie.
Rebel Alliance fighters have their own hyperdrives, and can escort the MC30 even if it hasn't got a fighter bay. The Empire is forced to bring fighters with them, because their fighters do not have hyperdrives.
Quad laser cannons are meant for fighter defense, while turbolasers are anti-ship weapons. As an example, the Falcon is armed with 2 quad laser cannons.
+EckhartsLadder Medium Turbolasers are FAR more powerful than Quad Laser cannons, quad laser cannons are what the Millenium Falcon had, those can't touch a warship, they are purely anti-Starfighter and the immobilizer had no actual anti-warship weaponry unlike the Mc30c
Not to forget the heavy proton torpedoes that will wreak havoc on any ship of that type, while the cluster bombs and anti fighter lasers take care of the 24 TIE. The Immobilizer is not the Vindicator, it's a ship using the hull of one without any of the weaponry of that heavy cruiser.
Good fight, i'd go with the MC30 primarily since Immobilizers (and interdictors in general) aren't designed primarily for ship to ship combat and instead are meant to be used as part of a fleet, without being the main warship in it.
Something critical you missed is that, in most of the media I've seen, interdictor types of ships can use their gravity wells to deflect proton torps and missiles away from the hull. Unless this was deliberately missed out, it would have pushed the odds further in the Imperial favour.
I thought quad laser cannons were the appitamee of anti-starfighter weaponry. I was informed that they were the equivalent of heavy laser cannons but were designed in a quad form to put out more shots in a volley which would theoretically make it easier to hit a fighter.
The one thing you keep getting wrong is that LASER CANNONS even Quad cannons, are anti-starfighter emplacements. Turbolasers, even light turbolasers, are anti-capitol ship weapons, much more powerful than a regular laser. Remember that a quad laser cannon is what the Millennium Falcon was armed with to take out starfighters. Yes, quad laser cannons are powerful, for a laser cannon, quad laser cannons are seen popping starfighers in single hits after all. Even if the MC30c did have a fragile hull, it does have very strong shields, as all Mon Calamari ships do. The 418 is going to get raped by the MC30's medium turbo lasers, and leave the dual laser turrets to deal with the 24 fighters. It really should not take long for the MC30 to win this battle. Fortunately, you rarely get battles this wrong...
It depends on the situation. If the MC30 is pulled out by the Interdictor, then the Interdictor will probably lose. If the MC30 saw the Interdictor and decided to attack, the MC might win. I tried this battle in SW Empire at war, if I called in the Interdictor, the MC would lose, and vice versa.
EckartsLadder, I know that this week you are doing star wars things but please concider making a versus between Reapers from Mass Effect and The Galactic Empire from Star Wars.
Honestly I don't see how the 418 could ever win this. The mc 30 is better armed, better shielded and has superior mobility. I mean, the 418 was so weak that the imperials later started putting gravity well generators into modified ISD:s because the 418 couldn't defend itself at all. All the 418 was was a ship meant to prevent the enemy from escaping so that the actual combat ships could destroy them
EckhartsLadder Which one are you having the most trouble with? According to the citations on their Wookiepedia articles, the info about the MC90 came from the Dark Empire Sourcebook, and the Anakin Solo was a standard Imp-II with some extra equipment.
Agreed. The Headhunter is a tough ship and all but it is completely outmatched by the X Wing. The only way the Z 95 Headhunter beats the T 65 X Wing is if the Headhunter catches the X Wing completely unawares (unlikely) or the Headhunter Pilot is a combat ace facing off against an X Wing Pilot that just doesn't have his level of skill or expirence so much so that even the Superiority of the X Wing can't compensate for the difference in skill.
With how Eckharts does versus, the pilots are equal it's just the ships. X-Wing would win easily, better armor, better engines, better weapons. Better everything.
UM, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't quad laser cannons ANTI-STARFIGHTER weapons? Wouldn't quad turbolaser cannons be the ANTI-CAPITAL SHIP weapons?
The MC30c frigates eat Victory-class Star Destroyers for breakfast in Forces of Corruption. These things spam proton torpedoes like one would not believe. Imagine a ship getting bombarded by torpedoes; it is probably because of this ship. In EaW, MC30c's are unlocked at Tech Level 5. They are also expensive for their size and class, but they are very dangerous. TIE Defenders and TIE Bombers are an effective defense against them, if one can catch them, but if a player does not not have them, they are screwed.
Mandolorian cruiser vs Munificent class star frigate. Huge fan of the old republic and the Mandolorian wars! They are with out a doubt my favorite starwars faction because they aren't really good or bad they just love war!! It's my birthday on Wednesday and would be a dream come true to see this match up!
I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a quad-laser cannon was like what the Falcon has... i.e. its an anti-fighter weapon and not intended for anti-ship. Again, I am not sure but I think Turbolasers out-class lasers in the Star Wars universe by a significant amount thus the Immobilizer has a very good anti-fighter weapon system but nothing amazing in terms of anti-ship? Please correct me if I am wrong here.
I clearly disagree. The MC30C was meant to attack and destroy full sized star destroyers by using their speed and maneuverability to close the distance and nail them with heavy torpedoes. I doubt that a pocket star destroyer would be able to withstand thst amount of fire power
Quad Laser Cannons are like Quad .50 Cal machine guns used in WW2... not an anti-ship weapon. (Star Wars RPG, it is plainly obvious based upon the stats listed for the weaponry) I think the reason the ship had this weaponry, in addition to its starfighter compliment, geared towards anti-fighter/bomber roles, was because it was never meant to operate alone. The Interdictor-class was supported by at least one other capital ship throughout the X-wing vs TIE-fighter game. Also, the weaponry aboard Imperial-class star destroyers makes a point to differentiate between each laser cannon and turbolaser by type/size and number of barrels. The ship is a one trick pony: pull stuff out of hyperdrive/prevent it from escaping. It just had to survive long enough for other capital ships and fighter/bomber wings to eliminate the threat(s).
I do know that playing as the Empire using the "interdictor" in Star Wars Forces of Corruption was THE only way to counter those bloody op mc 30's in space battles in the vanilla game. And if you where playing as the Consortium you where screwed if the Rebles decided to spam these things.
Sun crusher for the win! 1. I don’t think starkiller base could target or even hit the sun crusher. It is too small and fast. Essentially it is like a large fighter. While the starkiller base is designed to target planets which are the relatively immobile compared to state fighters and even capital ships. Even the cannon new republic fleet was only destroyed by starkiller base because it was in close orbit of the worlds the starkiller base was targeting. The fleet was destroyed by the planets exploding. 2. The sun crusher could easily destroy starkiller base by firing one of its torpedoes into the star the base is orbiting. The planetoid base would be destroyed in the resultant supernova. Starkiller could stay away from stars to avoid destruction (assuming it knew the sun crusher’s abilities) but then it would be unable to charge its super laser and thus unable to fire its main weapon. 3. Even if the starkiller base did somehow hit the sun crusher, I’m not sure the sun crusher would be destroyed. The sun crusher survived completely intact after being dropped into the massive gas giant Yavin. After it was pulled out of Yavin, it survived a supernova of its own making. Some outer systems were damaged, but its main armor and torpedo launcher were undamaged and still fully operable. Kyp Durren, who was the main pilot of the sun crusher, later said (in the new Jedi order series) that if the sun crusher had been dropped into a star he could still have pulled it out of the star with the Force like he did when it was in a gas giant. 4. I’m not really counting the fighters on star killer base, or even the fleet that would likely be guarding it, because they would not be able to damage the sun crusher at all. It literally flew straight through a star destroyer to destroy it and survived. I picture the sun crusher hyperspace jumping into the system. If the starkiller base notices it and knows about its abilities and armor, than it will try to target and destroy the sun crusher. The sun crusher is able to either avoid the blast or possably even just tank it, though I don’t think it would want to, as it would lose it point defense laser cannons. Then the sun crusher targets the Star with one of its supernova torpedoes and starkiller base dies. Or, if the star is to depleted by starkiller to create a large enough supernova, the sun crusher waits in the outer system and follows the star killer base to the next star it will use to charge its super super laser. Before or just as it starts charging the sun crusher jumps into the system and launches a torpedo into the sun before it can be depleted. The sun crusher jumps to a safe distance and star killer base is destroyed. Those are my thoughts. What do you think?
On the subject of the quad laser cannons, you have to consider a number of things. 1. This ship, as you said, is not meant to be a front line fighter. The supporting starships will be engaging the enemy fleet while the Interdictor... interdicts. This means that the primary threat to it would be starfighters, which could easily slip past fighter screens and capital ships in order to try to destroy the Interdictor to allow the Rebels to escape. Quad laser cannons are therefore more logical armaments for this ship's role in the order of battle. 2. The power requirements for the gravity well generators, which are the Interdictor's primary role in a battle, create a major draw on the ship's reactor. It may be very likely that the Interdictor couldn't power heavy turbolaser weaponry while maintaining the gravity well. Lighter laser weaponry would therefore once again be preferred. 3. Star Wars diagrams such as that are usually rather used to labeling things as either 'laser' or 'turbolaser'. Such an error on the charts is therefore highly unlikely and an assumption of different weaponry should only be made if there is direct supporting evidence. Another thing that I'd like to add in this fight is that one of the attributes of the gravity well generators, at least in Legends, was the ability to deflect the paths of warheads in close vicinity to the ship. You see this in the PC game Empire at War as well as the tabletop game Armada. Since the MC30's primary offensive ability is heavy warhead launchers, this deflection ability would likely right any imbalance between the Interdictor's rather light weaponry and your original assessment.
Though at least in Empire at War, were proton Torpedoes not unaffected by the well generator, since they were guided and it was mostly an anti-artillery weapon?
@@l0rf nope, in game, it could draw in all physical warheads. I would still give the win to the MC-30 though, because the interdictor just wouldn't have had the weaponry to challenge a ship the size of the MC-30. Also, using the gravity well to disrupt the proton torpedoes would weaken the shield, and allow the turbo lasers to kill it off. As for the TIEs, they would be decimated by the cluster bombs, rendering the squadron impotent
umm i have a contradiction to your analysis. a quad cannon is not meant for Capitol Ship or ship to ship. its primary purpose was to destroy small fighter vessels like snub fighters and frigates like the falcon. the alliance vessel is armed with medium turbolasers these are meant for ship to ship combat. so either you got the armaments of each vessel mixed up or you forgot what the weapons were capable of.
I am curious about the source behind the Immobilizer 418's quad lasers being effective anti-capital ship weapons. My understanding of quad lasers was they are very effective against fighters but under-powered for use against capital ships; at least compared to turbolasers. From that understanding I thought the MC-30 would win the firepower category.
While you do have a Postscriptum about the turbolaser/laser cannon issue, I just don't see it like you. The Vindicator was a heavy cruiser, yes. It had dedicated anti-ship weaponry. It would have defeated an MC30c with some damage to itself, I very much think so. It did not have to worry about four giant gravity well generators though and the ship had far more energy available to dedicate towards weaponry, shields and engines. When you play the Galactic Empire in Empire at War, which was pretty official for Legends, the Immobilizer had only laser cannons and was a very weak ship that needed a Star Destroyer escort. These are not battleships in the sense of a heavy cruiser, these are refitted for a singular purpose, a dedicated hyperspace snare carrier. They depend upon others to bring down the prey they entrap . The MC30c on the other hand is a heavily armed beast of a fast attack ship with sufficient anti-fighter weaponry (definitely against 24 TIE/Ln which do not even have ion cannons or missiles to attack hardpoints), medium and light turbolasers and proton torpedoes. While it's a glass cannon, that still makes it more than a match for a ship that had much of its systems stripped in order to accomodate four gravity wells. While the gravwells can distract heavy unguided concussion missiles, that does not work with proton torpedoes. I just don't see an aggressive ship like the MC30 lose against what is essentially an armed mouse trap in space. This isn't meant to distract from the incredible usefulness of the Immobilizer 418, but rather to emphasize the fact that while it is based on a heavy cruiser, it is not armed like one and it isn't used like one. In short: no. The Immobilizer 418 does not punch in the same weightclass as a Vindicator, it's simply based upon the hull. it has four giant weak spots that also obscure much of the firing arcs for the turrets and was never intended to engage the ships it pulled from Hyperspace.
Could we see a three part/topic video: 1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation. 2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship. 3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
But they said it was a Star Destroyer Killer... The MC30c Mon Calamari Frigate managed to gain itself a reputation that was feared by the Imperials simply because it could destroy a Star Destroyer...
Aren't quad laser cannons more point defence weapons than anti-capital ship? If you assume that they are instead quad turbolasers, then you are effectivly putting the MC30c against a Vindicator+, not the Immobilizer. Since the Immobilizer is a dedicated support ship, it makes sense that its weapons would be more dedicated to anti-starfighter than capitol ship because starfighters have a much higher chance of breaking through the capitol ship screen and actually engaging the interdictor so their fleet can make an escape.
Please, could someone tell me where the space battle video at the start of the video is from? S for VS. I would suggest a single Tie Defender VS 3 (or more) X-Wings
I gotta say I don't think I agree with the result. The quad laser canon armament on the Immobolizer is anti-starfighter and therefore short-range (similar to the quad lasers on the Falcon which are capital-ship spec - from a Dreadnaught, I believe), and the proton torpedoes on the MC30a are designed specifically to damage capital ships.and are long range and bypass energy shields. I don't see the Interdictor winning when the MC30a can just sit at stand-off range and lob torpedoes and turbo-laser fire in, using its agility to avoid fire from the shorter range quads and its cluster bombs and twin lasers against the Ties. What quad fire hits it is consumed/dissipated by the Mon Cal shields. SW EaW classes the MC30a as a capital ship destroyer and that's exactly what it would do. Even if it took a while.
You conclusions about the Immobilizer are wrong. The quad laser cannons are not turbolasers. They are for combating starfighters and smuggler ships. I know it's odd to think of a ship this size having no weapons for engaging Capital Ships but a lot of it's insides were built around the gravity well projectors. It simply wasn't designed for Heavy Combat against Capital Ships. These ships are often deployed to intercept ships on spacelanes for customs inspection and such. The type of thing Han Solo would have hated running into in his days prior to the Rebellion. It was deemed unnecessary to arm these ships with Turbolasers on account of if it were ever in a situation to battle a Capital Ship it would usually be part of a fleet that would be engaging the capital ships while the Immobilizer just used the gravity well projectors to keep the enemy ships from escaping. It was absolute SH-T in capital ship combat. It was used to perform a specific task in a support role in fleet engagements, otherwise they were Highway Patrol operating checkpoints to check vehicles going down that particular highway... er.... spacelane/traderoute. This thing would get cut to pieces by even a small Mon Cal vessel unless reinforcements showed up or the Immobilizer ran like H#LL... as in... shut down the gravity well amd jump to hyperspace.
So the interdictor shown in Rebels is a immobilizer 418 and not a modified star destroyer I thought the interdictor in legends was not large enough to hold a rebel blockade runner in its hanger?
In Empire At War the guns the Immobilizer is depicted with definitly are quad-lasers. I think it may in fact may sense for it to have those; the gravity-well generators take a tremendous amount of energy, and considering how consuming would quad-turbolasers be, the Immobilizer just wasn't powerful enough for all this array of equippement. Furthermore, considering the Immobilizer was meant to be used in relatively large naval squadrons, who would dedicate lot of their ressources to protect it, it may not need anti-capital ship defences, but instead anti-starfighter defences, as a light crafts are much more likely to go trough a capital ship squadron than frigates the Alliance usually use. Even if the Immobilizer actually had quad turbolaser, considering the manoeuvrability of the MC-30, it could easily place itself above or under the Immobilizer, and on a flank, avoiding by this way most of the laser barrage. Considering most of the MC-30's armament is located at it's bow, it could just position itself on the rear of the Immobilizer and destroy it under heavy fire.
2:36 I thought the immobiliser had turbolasers not laser canons which are usually found on smaller ships like snub nose fighters and the Millennium Falcon and are not good against capital ships
Medium Turbolasers weaker than Quad Laser Cannons? Isn't Turbo Laser A Term for a Category higher then that of a Laser, even if it's fired from cannons (Quad)?
I still give it to the MC30 because the Interdictor was designed to catch and attack small ships like corvettes while the MC30 was designed to destroy capital ships with advanced heavy proton torpedoes meant to penetrate Imperial II armor.
i THINK that is a bit easy to do.I think the the clone turbo tank(HAVw juggnort is going to win because firstly it dosent yave legs......it has wheels so it will be nelly imposibl to nock over whilst the at at has legs which can be destroyed and pushed over seened in rebles and secondly it is way more faster and finaly it has missiles wich can shoot at the walkers head and BOOM!!!!!!
I'd like to see the Mc30 or Nebulon-B go up against the Gladiator class Star Destroyer... or whatever other ship you can think of that might be a good match for the Gladiator. The wiki says they were outmatched once the Rebels got better capital ships, and I can't think of what kind of ships those would be, outside of the Mon Cal ships which in the Original Trilogy are the biggest (and probably least common) ships the Rebs have in their fleet.
Angelo Adorno the imperial 2 definitely more weapons better sheilding better fighter support sure the aggressor has that ion cannon and plasma cannon but it has shitier defense than an imperial 2
a quad laser cannon is a laser cannon not a turbolaser cannon though they might be powerful they are not as powerful as a turbolaser cannon so by default the turbolaser cannons are more powerful than the laser cannons, or were you suggesting the cruiser had quad turbolaser cannons, I am might have misheard what you said, just wondering but keep up the videos they are awesome.
Have to disagree with you on that one. MC30 with 15 Heavy proton torpedo launchers could do SERIOUS damage to the Immobilizer, wich is why the Immo will need to activate it´s Grav generators to scramble the Torpedos wich in turn will take away power from shields and weapons. Of course the TIEs will make a difference, yet the missing power on the Immobilizer´s side is going to make a dent in the Turbolasers effect on the MC30
Plus the Immobilizer has those huge generator Bulbs wich make it hard to impossible to use the standard ISD tactic of concentrated fire (line of fire and so on) ;D
My question is, if the MC was flying under the immobilizer and fired its cluster bomb up into the hanger bay of the imperial ship. We have seen other fighters fly into enemy hangers and if the imperial ship was currently sending out fighters it would be open as well. But regardless, IF it got this shot in, do you think the cluster bomb would do much damage or even cripple the ship?
Can you please...please...please give the MC30 a worthy match or at least something in the same ballpark. I think it would be better to match it up against a heavy dread naught cruiser. They are of similar size/length. Its a great mix of old vs new tech. More older fire power vs Newer and better shielding. I have really been looking forward to an MC30 match up but no offense this was not a good match up. I know you spend a lot of time and effort putting these up and I thank you. But please consider my match up to better use the MC30.
I just came across this video but it doesn't make sense even after 3 times of playing it back: - Immobilizer had 20 Quad laser cannons. Typically Laser cannons were Anti-Star fighter, high accuracy and rate of fire weapons, not actually anti capital ship weaponry. Being a support ship and surrounded by other capital ships the tactic most used to knock out the Gravity Well Generators would be star fighter/bomber attack making an anti fighter armament the logical choice. That said MC30c is specifically designed as anti-capital ship hit and run platform, meaning the Turbo Lasers and proton torpedo's would mean it out-classed the Immobilizer. On that basis alone your outcome is incorrect by your own explanation.
Light Turbolasers outclass Quadlasers so why wouldn't 16 mediums outclass 20 quadlasers? Even if you say the 20 quadlasers and 16 medium turbolasrs tie then the heavy torpedo tubes give the firepower edge to the MC30C. Plus everything I've ever seen gives the turbolasers an effective range advantage which would hurt the Interdictor's ability to keep the frigate in effective range when combined with the MC30C's speed
Whoa, wait a sec, aren´t the quad lasers the same kind of weapon the Lancer class frigate and the Millenium Falcon use to fight off enemy fighters? I always thought the Interdictor was primarily to fight pirates and smugglers, so anti.fighter weaponry would be the best choice. Especially since it is, as you pointed out, normally part of a group of ships. And the MC30 was designed to counter the Interdictors, outgunning it significantly. Or did i get my facts seriously wrong somewhere?
Ah... that´s what you get for commenting right at the start... So... now i watched the whole thing. The Interdictor is in it´s base already a completely different ship that the cruiser it´s based on. Due to the energy consumption of the Grav generators the ship no longer would be able to power quad TURBO lasers, and given the inefficiency of Turbolaser against star fighters a ship meant to fight pirates and smugglers would choose quad lasers over turbos. Wouldn´t that mean the ship is woefully underarmed? YES, but it has the Grav gens and is as such a specialist unit.
The immobilizer was designed to be a support ship, designed to pull a fleet out a hyperspace and prevent them from escaping. It is not designed to destroyer capital ships and any weaponry it had would be designed to protect it from star fighters. It would always have an escort and would commonly be used with larger ships who would destroy and enemy capital ships. The MC30 on the other hand was designed to destroy a capital ship, with its turbolasers and proton torpedos heavily damaging to immobilizer and its laser cannons and cluster bombs destroying the TIE fighters. It is unfortunate, but the rebellion would win in this battle.
Hey Eck! For a cool starship vs. would be about 5(ish) viscount star defenders vs the MSD. I think it would be a cool battle showing the of both factions.
Doesn't the Immobilizer have a defense against missile-based weapons, like a jammer? I remember it being used in Empire at War and the TIE Fighter animated short (yeah yeah I know it's not canon)
I actually think the victory ratio should be reversed. proton torpedo launchers, especially the heavy types are way more destructive than any Turbolaser battery. If the M30 30 uses it's strengths then it would pull a Allie and do runs against it, arching it's shields to cover the direction it would receive fire from. since proton torpedos go through shields, the 12 shields would be minimal. would not just be a slugfest..
20 quad laser turrets not turbo lasers. The 20 quads are the same type of weapon the millennium falcon had, anti fighter weapons. The accompanying fleet with the 418 took care of any ships of the line. The quad lasers were very efficient against fighters and each turret would be like an X-wing strafing run. The MC30 has fire power advantage for days, as well as speed. With the amount of shield generators the 418 has the redundancy the mc30 has as far as shields go. My assessment: firepower goes to MC30 Defense goes to the 418 Intangibles goes either way MC30 has speed and maneuverability where as the 418 has 24 ties. MC30 5.8/10 it’s close it comes down to the ties being knocked out quickly
Unless there were any TIE bombers in there, the 24 fighters would be wasted anyway, the laser cannons can't do anything to a shielded vessel. They'd mostly just serve to deplete the cluster bomb launchers and give the dual laser cannon gunners something to do.
I have to disagree with this one match true the mc 30 is not as sturdy as most mc cruisers but this ship was an anti capital ship cruiser using its speed to maneuver and struck with heavy torpedoes and crack Star destroyers with not too much difficulty. It rarely used its medium turbo lasers for ship to ship combat now the interdictor was a support ship that mainly focus on their gravity wells to kick ships out of hyper space. It's not defenseless but it's not as thick or well shielded as a imperial destroyer in a one on one battle fighters would make a difference but not too much do to the mc's anti fighters defense turrets and closter bombs I really think they over running the cruiser would.be a problem that's my personal opinion once again thanks for you're videos and feel free to write back. Love taking Star Wars with others
Uuuhhhh.... dude? The Interdictor has quad lasers, not quad turbolasers. Lasers are nice, but they are much weaker than turbolasers and have a shorter range. The Interdictor was designed this way so it could protect itself from being overwhelmed by smaller craft, but that means it's not a capital ship you want to be battling other capital ships with. At least you didn't mention that awful Empire at War ability.
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EckhartsLadder I want to see a new versus series. The battle would be a 5 vs 5 shadow scout aka imperial storm commandos vs republic commandos aka clone commandos
EckhartsLadder how about Vader Vs neo from the matrix
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EckhartsLadder Hi there Brother I playing empire at war and the MC30 is a pain in the game in numbers. by the way great video sir. :):)
Ian Price Now that be fun
I have an issue with your description of the weaponry. Quad laser cannons have always been notable anti-starfighter weapons, not necessarily great capital ship weapons. Turbolasers are the primary anti-capital ship weapon
I was thinking this as well. From my understanding the Immobilizer was mostly armed to protect itself from fighters and corvettes while the Star Destroyers it was with would focus on capital ship engagement. The MC30 on the other hand is far better armed with both medium turbo lasers and heavy proton torpedoes met for capital ship engagement and the twin laser canons and cluster bombs are to help deal with fighters.
I was pretty confused about this as well, but he actually mentions it in a post-script at the end of the video.
I can’t understand where his understanding of the quad lasers comes from. Quad LASERS, NOT TURBOLASERS!
have to agree all the descriptions of the quad lasers on the 418 are anti-fighter not anti-cap ship....hence firepower wise and overall the battle would go to the MC30
@Max Smith Quad turbolasers.
Griveous invisible hand vs star destroyer
I Vote for the ISD
Class I? Then the Star Destroyer will have a close win.
Agree. Mk II´s victory is totally out of question, but Mk I could be interesting.
Star destroyer class 1
The invisible hand is just a Providence with thicker armour and like 10 more turbolasers and 3 more proton torpedo launchers
The MC30 is pulled from hyper space by the Imobilizer. The Imobilizer immediately opens fire, using its superior speed the MC30 gets far from the Imobilizer and gets behind it. But not before taking considerable damage. The Imobilizer sends its TIEs after the MC30. The MC30 has to act quickly, it fires its torpedoes at the back of the Imobilizer. The TIEs are upon it, it must divert its attention to them. While the MC30 is distracted the Imobilizer gets into better position and fires all it has at the MC30. The MC30 is unable to to take out all the TIEs and evade the Imobilizer. In a last effort it unleashes all its weapons into the weakest points of the Imobilizer. But it is not enough, knowing it is doomed the MC30 charges the Imobilizer at full thrust. The Imobilizer is too slow and the dying MC30 rams right into the back gravity well. The Imobilizer gives a shutter then the gravity well explodes with a force so huge it rips the Imobilizer in half and the MC30 is blown to pieces.
I pronounce this battle a TIE, I mean tie.
Please I don't need grammar corrections.
Rebel Alliance fighters have their own hyperdrives, and can escort the MC30 even if it hasn't got a fighter bay. The Empire is forced to bring fighters with them, because their fighters do not have hyperdrives.
Matas, this came out before TLJ.
Immobilizer can jam incoming missles and torpedoes.
TastyChicken This is just the individual ships and what they bring with them, not with any other supplementary vessels.
Quad laser cannons are meant for fighter defense, while turbolasers are anti-ship weapons. As an example, the Falcon is armed with 2 quad laser cannons.
+EckhartsLadder Medium Turbolasers are FAR more powerful than Quad Laser cannons, quad laser cannons are what the Millenium Falcon had, those can't touch a warship, they are purely anti-Starfighter and the immobilizer had no actual anti-warship weaponry unlike the Mc30c
321gman he's completely biased towards anything imperial
321gman I was thinking the same thing! Quads are weaker than turbos.
Not to forget the heavy proton torpedoes that will wreak havoc on any ship of that type, while the cluster bombs and anti fighter lasers take care of the 24 TIE. The Immobilizer is not the Vindicator, it's a ship using the hull of one without any of the weaponry of that heavy cruiser.
@@l0rf yes, but an interdictor can easily use its gravity well to deflect the torpedoes
A full week of Star Wars battles is amazing I absolutely love it! :)
Good fight, i'd go with the MC30 primarily since Immobilizers (and interdictors in general) aren't designed primarily for ship to ship combat and instead are meant to be used as part of a fleet, without being the main warship in it.
Something critical you missed is that, in most of the media I've seen, interdictor types of ships can use their gravity wells to deflect proton torps and missiles away from the hull. Unless this was deliberately missed out, it would have pushed the odds further in the Imperial favour.
imperial raider class corvette vs cr-90 corvette
Lmaowars yessssssssss I was hoping someone wanted this one!
I thought quad laser cannons were the appitamee of anti-starfighter weaponry. I was informed that they were the equivalent of heavy laser cannons but were designed in a quad form to put out more shots in a volley which would theoretically make it easier to hit a fighter.
The one thing you keep getting wrong is that LASER CANNONS even Quad cannons, are anti-starfighter emplacements. Turbolasers, even light turbolasers, are anti-capitol ship weapons, much more powerful than a regular laser. Remember that a quad laser cannon is what the Millennium Falcon was armed with to take out starfighters.
Yes, quad laser cannons are powerful, for a laser cannon, quad laser cannons are seen popping starfighers in single hits after all.
Even if the MC30c did have a fragile hull, it does have very strong shields, as all Mon Calamari ships do. The 418 is going to get raped by the MC30's medium turbo lasers, and leave the dual laser turrets to deal with the 24 fighters. It really should not take long for the MC30 to win this battle.
Fortunately, you rarely get battles this wrong...
It depends on the situation. If the MC30 is pulled out by the Interdictor, then the Interdictor will probably lose. If the MC30 saw the Interdictor and decided to attack, the MC might win. I tried this battle in SW Empire at war, if I called in the Interdictor, the MC would lose, and vice versa.
This series is how I got into your channel last may, I miss it😢😢
EckartsLadder,
I know that this week you are doing star wars things but please concider making a versus between Reapers from Mass Effect and The Galactic Empire from Star Wars.
Thanks for noticing!
Honestly I don't see how the 418 could ever win this.
The mc 30 is better armed, better shielded and has superior mobility.
I mean, the 418 was so weak that the imperials later started putting gravity well generators into modified ISD:s because the 418 couldn't defend itself at all. All the 418 was was a ship meant to prevent the enemy from escaping so that the actual combat ships could destroy them
Executor VS. Borg Cube
Lol
Metanerdz: the Mc30 is the ultimate capital ship killer !
Eckhartsladder: NOPE !
Harrower class VS valor class pls
TIE predator vs TIE Defender
M.L. this is a great idea
My vote goes to the Harrower! It's just so badass
M.L. I wanna die
random guy axiom would win obviously
Could you PLEASE do the MC90 vs. Anakin Solo this week? You said you would a while ago.
+Thomas Parry I've been doing research, not sure if the ships have enough stats for me to do it
EckhartsLadder Which one are you having the most trouble with? According to the citations on their Wookiepedia articles, the info about the MC90 came from the Dark Empire Sourcebook, and the Anakin Solo was a standard Imp-II with some extra equipment.
how about this 2 mc80 liberty vs 3 imperial 2 class star destroyer
3 star destroyer...which star destroyer?
Brot kann schimmeln imperial 2 star destroyer
Rip mon Cala ships. I'd say the mc80 libertys are on par with the imperial 2 class star destroyer
Nicholas Wong you also have to include the star fighters
Imperial class.
Z-95 headhunter (as it was during the clone wars) vs the x-wing
Mic Clank Obviously the X wing....
The X-wing is pretty much a more advanced Z-95.
z-95 was essentially an earlier version, with less weaponry.
Agreed. The Headhunter is a tough ship and all but it is completely outmatched by the X Wing. The only way the Z 95 Headhunter beats the T 65 X Wing is if the Headhunter catches the X Wing completely unawares (unlikely) or the Headhunter Pilot is a combat ace facing off against an X Wing Pilot that just doesn't have his level of skill or expirence so much so that even the Superiority of the X Wing can't compensate for the difference in skill.
With how Eckharts does versus, the pilots are equal it's just the ships. X-Wing would win easily, better armor, better engines, better weapons. Better everything.
UM, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't quad laser cannons ANTI-STARFIGHTER weapons? Wouldn't quad turbolaser cannons be the ANTI-CAPITAL SHIP weapons?
The MC30c frigates eat Victory-class Star Destroyers for breakfast in Forces of Corruption. These things spam proton torpedoes like one would not believe. Imagine a ship getting bombarded by torpedoes; it is probably because of this ship. In EaW, MC30c's are unlocked at Tech Level 5. They are also expensive for their size and class, but they are very dangerous. TIE Defenders and TIE Bombers are an effective defense against them, if one can catch them, but if a player does not not have them, they are screwed.
Mandolorian cruiser vs Munificent class star frigate. Huge fan of the old republic and the Mandolorian wars! They are with out a doubt my favorite starwars faction because they aren't really good or bad they just love war!! It's my birthday on Wednesday and would be a dream come true to see this match up!
Millennium Falcom VS The Ebon Hawk ( Revan's Ship )
this has to happen
I could be wrong here but I was under the impression that a quad-laser cannon was like what the Falcon has... i.e. its an anti-fighter weapon and not intended for anti-ship. Again, I am not sure but I think Turbolasers out-class lasers in the Star Wars universe by a significant amount thus the Immobilizer has a very good anti-fighter weapon system but nothing amazing in terms of anti-ship? Please correct me if I am wrong here.
I clearly disagree. The MC30C was meant to attack and destroy full sized star destroyers by using their speed and maneuverability to close the distance and nail them with heavy torpedoes. I doubt that a pocket star destroyer would be able to withstand thst amount of fire power
Quad Laser Cannons are like Quad .50 Cal machine guns used in WW2... not an anti-ship weapon. (Star Wars RPG, it is plainly obvious based upon the stats listed for the weaponry)
I think the reason the ship had this weaponry, in addition to its starfighter compliment, geared towards anti-fighter/bomber roles, was because it was never meant to operate alone.
The Interdictor-class was supported by at least one other capital ship throughout the X-wing vs TIE-fighter game.
Also, the weaponry aboard Imperial-class star destroyers makes a point to differentiate between each laser cannon and turbolaser by type/size and number of barrels.
The ship is a one trick pony: pull stuff out of hyperdrive/prevent it from escaping.
It just had to survive long enough for other capital ships and fighter/bomber wings to eliminate the threat(s).
I do know that playing as the Empire using the "interdictor" in Star Wars Forces of Corruption was THE only way to counter those bloody op mc 30's in space battles in the vanilla game. And if you where playing as the Consortium you where screwed if the Rebles decided to spam these things.
Subjagator-class Heavy Crusier (the Malevolence) vs Executor class Star Drednaought.
AdmiralSupreme It's been done with the Eclipse before on the channel.
Caden Ollar not the eclipse the bellator class ssd
AdmiralSupreme u spelled dreadnaught wrong
PNOR _gaming right
Easily the Executor.
can you do the Sun Crusher VS. Starkiller Base please?
Sun crusher for the win!
1. I don’t think starkiller base could target or even hit the sun crusher. It is too small and fast. Essentially it is like a large fighter. While the starkiller base is designed to target planets which are the relatively immobile compared to state fighters and even capital ships. Even the cannon new republic fleet was only destroyed by starkiller base because it was in close orbit of the worlds the starkiller base was targeting. The fleet was destroyed by the planets exploding.
2. The sun crusher could easily destroy starkiller base by firing one of its torpedoes into the star the base is orbiting. The planetoid base would be destroyed in the resultant supernova. Starkiller could stay away from stars to avoid destruction (assuming it knew the sun crusher’s abilities) but then it would be unable to charge its super laser and thus unable to fire its main weapon.
3. Even if the starkiller base did somehow hit the sun crusher, I’m not sure the sun crusher would be destroyed. The sun crusher survived completely intact after being dropped into the massive gas giant Yavin. After it was pulled out of Yavin, it survived a supernova of its own making. Some outer systems were damaged, but its main armor and torpedo launcher were undamaged and still fully operable. Kyp Durren, who was the main pilot of the sun crusher, later said (in the new Jedi order series) that if the sun crusher had been dropped into a star he could still have pulled it out of the star with the Force like he did when it was in a gas giant.
4. I’m not really counting the fighters on star killer base, or even the fleet that would likely be guarding it, because they would not be able to damage the sun crusher at all. It literally flew straight through a star destroyer to destroy it and survived.
I picture the sun crusher hyperspace jumping into the system. If the starkiller base notices it and knows about its abilities and armor, than it will try to target and destroy the sun crusher. The sun crusher is able to either avoid the blast or possably even just tank it, though I don’t think it would want to, as it would lose it point defense laser cannons. Then the sun crusher targets the Star with one of its supernova torpedoes and starkiller base dies. Or, if the star is to depleted by starkiller to create a large enough supernova, the sun crusher waits in the outer system and follows the star killer base to the next star it will use to charge its super super laser. Before or just as it starts charging the sun crusher jumps into the system and launches a torpedo into the sun before it can be depleted. The sun crusher jumps to a safe distance and star killer base is destroyed.
Those are my thoughts. What do you think?
@@spencerjensen1993 I know starkiller base has no chance of winning, it will be just like a fight from one punch man. XD
@@calebchampion7781 hahahahaha! you are so right!
On the subject of the quad laser cannons, you have to consider a number of things.
1. This ship, as you said, is not meant to be a front line fighter. The supporting starships will be engaging the enemy fleet while the Interdictor... interdicts. This means that the primary threat to it would be starfighters, which could easily slip past fighter screens and capital ships in order to try to destroy the Interdictor to allow the Rebels to escape. Quad laser cannons are therefore more logical armaments for this ship's role in the order of battle.
2. The power requirements for the gravity well generators, which are the Interdictor's primary role in a battle, create a major draw on the ship's reactor. It may be very likely that the Interdictor couldn't power heavy turbolaser weaponry while maintaining the gravity well. Lighter laser weaponry would therefore once again be preferred.
3. Star Wars diagrams such as that are usually rather used to labeling things as either 'laser' or 'turbolaser'. Such an error on the charts is therefore highly unlikely and an assumption of different weaponry should only be made if there is direct supporting evidence.
Another thing that I'd like to add in this fight is that one of the attributes of the gravity well generators, at least in Legends, was the ability to deflect the paths of warheads in close vicinity to the ship. You see this in the PC game Empire at War as well as the tabletop game Armada. Since the MC30's primary offensive ability is heavy warhead launchers, this deflection ability would likely right any imbalance between the Interdictor's rather light weaponry and your original assessment.
Absolutely my thoughts but better said.
Though at least in Empire at War, were proton Torpedoes not unaffected by the well generator, since they were guided and it was mostly an anti-artillery weapon?
@@l0rf nope, in game, it could draw in all physical warheads. I would still give the win to the MC-30 though, because the interdictor just wouldn't have had the weaponry to challenge a ship the size of the MC-30. Also, using the gravity well to disrupt the proton torpedoes would weaken the shield, and allow the turbo lasers to kill it off. As for the TIEs, they would be decimated by the cluster bombs, rendering the squadron impotent
umm i have a contradiction to your analysis. a quad cannon is not meant for Capitol Ship or ship to ship. its primary purpose was to destroy small fighter vessels like snub fighters and frigates like the falcon. the alliance vessel is armed with medium turbolasers these are meant for ship to ship combat. so either you got the armaments of each vessel mixed up or you forgot what the weapons were capable of.
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@@PedrotheChihuahuaA8He’s wrongly assuming that they are turbolasers despite the fact that all evidence points to them being lasers.
I am curious about the source behind the Immobilizer 418's quad lasers being effective anti-capital ship weapons. My understanding of quad lasers was they are very effective against fighters but under-powered for use against capital ships; at least compared to turbolasers. From that understanding I thought the MC-30 would win the firepower category.
Might be the first one of the versus videos I've seen that I've liked and agreed with!
While you do have a Postscriptum about the turbolaser/laser cannon issue, I just don't see it like you. The Vindicator was a heavy cruiser, yes. It had dedicated anti-ship weaponry. It would have defeated an MC30c with some damage to itself, I very much think so. It did not have to worry about four giant gravity well generators though and the ship had far more energy available to dedicate towards weaponry, shields and engines. When you play the Galactic Empire in Empire at War, which was pretty official for Legends, the Immobilizer had only laser cannons and was a very weak ship that needed a Star Destroyer escort. These are not battleships in the sense of a heavy cruiser, these are refitted for a singular purpose, a dedicated hyperspace snare carrier. They depend upon others to bring down the prey they entrap .
The MC30c on the other hand is a heavily armed beast of a fast attack ship with sufficient anti-fighter weaponry (definitely against 24 TIE/Ln which do not even have ion cannons or missiles to attack hardpoints), medium and light turbolasers and proton torpedoes. While it's a glass cannon, that still makes it more than a match for a ship that had much of its systems stripped in order to accomodate four gravity wells. While the gravwells can distract heavy unguided concussion missiles, that does not work with proton torpedoes. I just don't see an aggressive ship like the MC30 lose against what is essentially an armed mouse trap in space. This isn't meant to distract from the incredible usefulness of the Immobilizer 418, but rather to emphasize the fact that while it is based on a heavy cruiser, it is not armed like one and it isn't used like one.
In short: no. The Immobilizer 418 does not punch in the same weightclass as a Vindicator, it's simply based upon the hull. it has four giant weak spots that also obscure much of the firing arcs for the turrets and was never intended to engage the ships it pulled from Hyperspace.
Could we see a three part/topic video:
1) About The Killiks VS the Trade Federation.
2) Dart Ships and Nest Ships VS Vulture droids and Lucrehulk-class battleship.
3) As well as Killik Troops VS Battle Droids if ether side tried boarding the other.
But they said it was a Star Destroyer Killer... The MC30c Mon Calamari Frigate managed to gain itself a reputation that was feared by the Imperials simply because it could destroy a Star Destroyer...
Aren't quad laser cannons more point defence weapons than anti-capital ship? If you assume that they are instead quad turbolasers, then you are effectivly putting the MC30c against a Vindicator+, not the Immobilizer. Since the Immobilizer is a dedicated support ship, it makes sense that its weapons would be more dedicated to anti-starfighter than capitol ship because starfighters have a much higher chance of breaking through the capitol ship screen and actually engaging the interdictor so their fleet can make an escape.
I think you missed that the Immobilizer only has laser cannons, not turbolasers.
Please, could someone tell me where the space battle video at the start of the video is from?
S for VS. I would suggest a single Tie Defender VS 3 (or more) X-Wings
Where did the digitally animated footage at the beginning of the video come from?
I gotta say I don't think I agree with the result. The quad laser canon armament on the Immobolizer is anti-starfighter and therefore short-range (similar to the quad lasers on the Falcon which are capital-ship spec - from a Dreadnaught, I believe), and the proton torpedoes on the MC30a are designed specifically to damage capital ships.and are long range and bypass energy shields. I don't see the Interdictor winning when the MC30a can just sit at stand-off range and lob torpedoes and turbo-laser fire in, using its agility to avoid fire from the shorter range quads and its cluster bombs and twin lasers against the Ties. What quad fire hits it is consumed/dissipated by the Mon Cal shields. SW EaW classes the MC30a as a capital ship destroyer and that's exactly what it would do. Even if it took a while.
This week is going to be really good this is my favourite series on ur channel
Squad of ARF Troopers on ATRTs vs Squad of Imperial Scout Troopers on Speeder Bikes.
odd question why didnt the rebels use the arc170 sense it was better then the x wing?
howiebabey I think they didn't have the personal at the time of a new hope
howiebabey ARC-170s needed 3 pilots and also were a lot more expensive.
What is the space battle from the beginning of the episode from?
Have you done vids on the various Shipyards of the galaxy. Mon Cal Kuat Sulust...ect?
You conclusions about the Immobilizer are wrong. The quad laser cannons are not turbolasers. They are for combating starfighters and smuggler ships. I know it's odd to think of a ship this size having no weapons for engaging Capital Ships but a lot of it's insides were built around the gravity well projectors. It simply wasn't designed for Heavy Combat against Capital Ships. These ships are often deployed to intercept ships on spacelanes for customs inspection and such. The type of thing Han Solo would have hated running into in his days prior to the Rebellion. It was deemed unnecessary to arm these ships with Turbolasers on account of if it were ever in a situation to battle a Capital Ship it would usually be part of a fleet that would be engaging the capital ships while the Immobilizer just used the gravity well projectors to keep the enemy ships from escaping. It was absolute SH-T in capital ship combat. It was used to perform a specific task in a support role in fleet engagements, otherwise they were Highway Patrol operating checkpoints to check vehicles going down that particular highway... er.... spacelane/traderoute. This thing would get cut to pieces by even a small Mon Cal vessel unless reinforcements showed up or the Immobilizer ran like H#LL... as in... shut down the gravity well amd jump to hyperspace.
Dude, quad laser canons are for taking out fighters man, tubrolasers are for taking out capital ships
So the interdictor shown in Rebels is a immobilizer 418 and not a modified star destroyer I thought the interdictor in legends was not large enough to hold a rebel blockade runner in its hanger?
In Empire At War the guns the Immobilizer is depicted with definitly are quad-lasers. I think it may in fact may sense for it to have those; the gravity-well generators take a tremendous amount of energy, and considering how consuming would quad-turbolasers be, the Immobilizer just wasn't powerful enough for all this array of equippement.
Furthermore, considering the Immobilizer was meant to be used in relatively large naval squadrons, who would dedicate lot of their ressources to protect it, it may not need anti-capital ship defences, but instead anti-starfighter defences, as a light crafts are much more likely to go trough a capital ship squadron than frigates the Alliance usually use.
Even if the Immobilizer actually had quad turbolaser, considering the manoeuvrability of the MC-30, it could easily place itself above or under the Immobilizer, and on a flank, avoiding by this way most of the laser barrage. Considering most of the MC-30's armament is located at it's bow, it could just position itself on the rear of the Immobilizer and destroy it under heavy fire.
2:36 I thought the immobiliser had turbolasers not laser canons which are usually found on smaller ships like snub nose fighters and the Millennium Falcon and are not good against capital ships
+Joshua Lansell-Kenny I mention this at the end
That battle scene at the beginning of this video is brilliant. Anyone know where it's from?
Love your channel fam keep up the good work!!!
Medium Turbolasers weaker than Quad Laser Cannons? Isn't Turbo Laser A Term for a Category higher then that of a Laser, even if it's fired from cannons (Quad)?
He’s assuming that they are quad turbolasers despite all sources stating that they are quad LASERS.
lucrehulk class battleship vs. imperial 2 class star destroyer
can you please do General Grievous's flagship the Invisible Hand vs the Imperial 2 class star Destroyer please.
You should do a video about the different laser weapons on ships cause sometimes that gets confusing when comparing ships.
I still give it to the MC30 because the Interdictor was designed to catch and attack small ships like corvettes while the MC30 was designed to destroy capital ships with advanced heavy proton torpedoes meant to penetrate Imperial II armor.
i love these videos you do man keep up the good work
What about the interdiction Field on the immobilizer that's meant to stop missiles
Can you do USS enterprise (kelvin timeline) vs an imperial light crusier? Or 1000 Y-wings vs an executer ssd?
HAVw A6 Juggernaut vs an AT-AT
I like it
i THINK that is a bit easy to do.I think the the clone turbo tank(HAVw juggnort is going to win because firstly it dosent yave legs......it has wheels so it will be nelly imposibl to nock over whilst the at at has legs which can be destroyed and pushed over seened in rebles and secondly it is way more faster and finaly it has missiles wich can shoot at the walkers head and BOOM!!!!!!
what's the footage at the beginning
I'd like to see the Mc30 or Nebulon-B go up against the Gladiator class Star Destroyer... or whatever other ship you can think of that might be a good match for the Gladiator. The wiki says they were outmatched once the Rebels got better capital ships, and I can't think of what kind of ships those would be, outside of the Mon Cal ships which in the Original Trilogy are the biggest (and probably least common) ships the Rebs have in their fleet.
the zann consortium aggressor-class destroyer (EU/ SWEWFOC) versus Imperial 2-class Star Destroyer
Angelo Adorno the imperial 2 definitely more weapons better sheilding better fighter support sure the aggressor has that ion cannon and plasma cannon but it has shitier defense than an imperial 2
>Says the MC30 has really sturdy shields
>Also says that the MC30 wouldn't last in an extended engagement
wat
a quad laser cannon is a laser cannon not a turbolaser cannon though they might be powerful they are not as powerful as a turbolaser cannon so by default the turbolaser cannons are more powerful than the laser cannons, or were you suggesting the cruiser had quad turbolaser cannons, I am might have misheard what you said, just wondering but keep up the videos they are awesome.
Have to disagree with you on that one. MC30 with 15 Heavy proton torpedo launchers could do SERIOUS damage to the Immobilizer, wich is why the Immo will need to activate it´s Grav generators to scramble the Torpedos wich in turn will take away power from shields and weapons. Of course the TIEs will make a difference, yet the missing power on the Immobilizer´s side is going to make a dent in the Turbolasers effect on the MC30
Plus the Immobilizer has those huge generator Bulbs wich make it hard to impossible to use the standard ISD tactic of concentrated fire (line of fire and so on)
;D
Nebulon b vs acclamator
My question is, if the MC was flying under the immobilizer and fired its cluster bomb up into the hanger bay of the imperial ship. We have seen other fighters fly into enemy hangers and if the imperial ship was currently sending out fighters it would be open as well. But regardless, IF it got this shot in, do you think the cluster bomb would do much damage or even cripple the ship?
Can you please...please...please give the MC30 a worthy match or at least something in the same ballpark. I think it would be better to match it up against a heavy dread naught cruiser. They are of similar size/length. Its a great mix of old vs new tech. More older fire power vs Newer and better shielding. I have really been looking forward to an MC30 match up but no offense this was not a good match up. I know you spend a lot of time and effort putting these up and I thank you. But please consider my match up to better use the MC30.
PROVIDENCE CLASS DREADNOUGHT(larger variant) VS IMPERIAL STAR DESTROYER!!!!
I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS EVERY BLOODY EPISODE!!
I just came across this video but it doesn't make sense even after 3 times of playing it back:
- Immobilizer had 20 Quad laser cannons. Typically Laser cannons were Anti-Star fighter, high accuracy and rate of fire weapons, not actually anti capital ship weaponry. Being a support ship and surrounded by other capital ships the tactic most used to knock out the Gravity Well Generators would be star fighter/bomber attack making an anti fighter armament the logical choice.
That said MC30c is specifically designed as anti-capital ship hit and run platform, meaning the Turbo Lasers and proton torpedo's would mean it out-classed the Immobilizer.
On that basis alone your outcome is incorrect by your own explanation.
Sith battlecruiser vs The Venator battlecruiser
Light Turbolasers outclass Quadlasers so why wouldn't 16 mediums outclass 20 quadlasers? Even if you say the 20 quadlasers and 16 medium turbolasrs tie then the heavy torpedo tubes give the firepower edge to the MC30C. Plus everything I've ever seen gives the turbolasers an effective range advantage which would hurt the Interdictor's ability to keep the frigate in effective range when combined with the MC30C's speed
Doesn't the Immobilizer have some sort of warhead guidance disruption signal?
The Immobilizer 418 quad laser cannons are just that: short range anti-starfighter weapons. They pose no significant threat to any capital ship.
Tie striker vs rebel snow speeder
Whoa, wait a sec, aren´t the quad lasers the same kind of weapon the Lancer class frigate and the Millenium Falcon use to fight off enemy fighters?
I always thought the Interdictor was primarily to fight pirates and smugglers, so anti.fighter weaponry would be the best choice.
Especially since it is, as you pointed out, normally part of a group of ships.
And the MC30 was designed to counter the Interdictors, outgunning it significantly.
Or did i get my facts seriously wrong somewhere?
+Sim. Frischh no, there was some confusion here. I address it at the end of the video.
Ah... that´s what you get for commenting right at the start...
So... now i watched the whole thing.
The Interdictor is in it´s base already a completely different ship that the cruiser it´s based on.
Due to the energy consumption of the Grav generators the ship no longer would be able to power quad TURBO lasers, and given the inefficiency of Turbolaser against star fighters a ship meant to fight pirates and smugglers would choose quad lasers over turbos.
Wouldn´t that mean the ship is woefully underarmed? YES, but it has the Grav gens and is as such a specialist unit.
+Sim. Frischh still, your concern is legitimate
Your comment came just as i updated mine XD
Whats the footage in the beginning from?
love These vids, thx for making them
Can you compare the storm commando assault frigate from the videogames with the reconfigurable assault ship from EU novels?
The immobilizer was designed to be a support ship, designed to pull a fleet out a hyperspace and prevent them from escaping. It is not designed to destroyer capital ships and any weaponry it had would be designed to protect it from star fighters. It would always have an escort and would commonly be used with larger ships who would destroy and enemy capital ships. The MC30 on the other hand was designed to destroy a capital ship, with its turbolasers and proton torpedos heavily damaging to immobilizer and its laser cannons and cluster bombs destroying the TIE fighters. It is unfortunate, but the rebellion would win in this battle.
Hey Eck! For a cool starship vs. would be about 5(ish) viscount star defenders vs the MSD. I think it would be a cool battle showing the of both factions.
Finally ship vs ship again:)
what's the animation at the beginning source?
Doesn't the Immobilizer have a defense against missile-based weapons, like a jammer? I remember it being used in Empire at War and the TIE Fighter animated short (yeah yeah I know it's not canon)
I actually think the victory ratio should be reversed. proton torpedo launchers, especially the heavy types are way more destructive than any Turbolaser battery. If the M30 30 uses it's strengths then it would pull a Allie and do runs against it, arching it's shields to cover the direction it would receive fire from. since proton torpedos go through shields, the 12 shields would be minimal. would not just be a slugfest..
Episode 2 Jedi Starfighter vs episode 3 Jedi Interceptor plz
20 quad laser turrets not turbo lasers. The 20 quads are the same type of weapon the millennium falcon had, anti fighter weapons.
The accompanying fleet with the 418 took care of any ships of the line. The quad lasers were very efficient against fighters and each turret would be like an X-wing strafing run. The MC30 has fire power advantage for days, as well as speed.
With the amount of shield generators the 418 has the redundancy the mc30 has as far as shields go.
My assessment: firepower goes to MC30
Defense goes to the 418
Intangibles goes either way MC30 has speed and maneuverability where as the 418 has 24 ties.
MC30 5.8/10 it’s close it comes down to the ties being knocked out quickly
Unless there were any TIE bombers in there, the 24 fighters would be wasted anyway, the laser cannons can't do anything to a shielded vessel. They'd mostly just serve to deplete the cluster bomb launchers and give the dual laser cannon gunners something to do.
I have to disagree with this one match true the mc 30 is not as sturdy as most mc cruisers but this ship was an anti capital ship cruiser using its speed to maneuver and struck with heavy torpedoes and crack Star destroyers with not too much difficulty. It rarely used its medium turbo lasers for ship to ship combat now the interdictor was a support ship that mainly focus on their gravity wells to kick ships out of hyper space. It's not defenseless but it's not as thick or well shielded as a imperial destroyer in a one on one battle fighters would make a difference but not too much do to the mc's anti fighters defense turrets and closter bombs I really think they over running the cruiser would.be a problem that's my personal opinion once again thanks for you're videos and feel free to write back. Love taking Star Wars with others
CIS - Munificent Class Frigate vs Rebel Phoenix Home (Quasar-Fire class Carrier)
Uuuhhhh.... dude? The Interdictor has quad lasers, not quad turbolasers. Lasers are nice, but they are much weaker than turbolasers and have a shorter range. The Interdictor was designed this way so it could protect itself from being overwhelmed by smaller craft, but that means it's not a capital ship you want to be battling other capital ships with.
At least you didn't mention that awful Empire at War ability.
does it have to be ships?, because I think a AT AT vs a AT TE would be cool
AAT vs ATST?
Or Droid Tri-fighter vs TIE Interceptor if land vehicles aren't allowed
Hey could you do the rebellion's assault frigate mark 2 vs the victory class II?
Cuz empire at war lol
where is that intro clip from?