With that central attium with the artifical environment sure shows how it was a luxury vessel first before becoming a warship. Must have made down time between battles a lot of fun abaord the ship.
@@FrostbiteDigital The earliest EU materials said that Mon Cala was an alien civilization that Empire made first contact with. Underestimating them led to Empire losing an entire fleet during their initial subjugation attempt. Ackbar was enslaved and became "personal property" of none other than Wilhuf Tarkin. Not aboard the Death Star when it was destroyed, he was able to escape (presumably taking the advantage of chaos and power vacuum resulting from loss of the Death Star) and contact Rebel Alliance.
They weren't luxury vessels...they were literally mini cities. Like, think of them as skyscrapers clustered together at the bottom of the oceans of their home world. They were designed to be able to flee in case of emergency, which the Empire certainly was. So, it's literally a home ship by any definition
Being a bonafide ship nerd and hangar bay enthusiast, this is by far one of my most beloved ships. I loved the hangar bay scene in jedi. I would love to see someone fab up on blender something new and different for landing operations, or do an interior of home one.
@@lukesearle1302 I really wasn't into gaming, but I watched my friends. I guess you could say I was in a pop culture blackout. The graphics may not be up to par, but the framework and storyline was better it seems
I still wanna see one of these ships filled with water for it's aquatic crew. That could make for an interesting battle, with scuba troopers being used in a boarding action.
@brandonjew1397 If anything, a ship full of water would probably take much longer to decompress, and water has a much higher specific heat than air, so it would take much longer to freeze.
Home one was the name of the ship shown in return of the jedi. In 1:54 in the bottom right corner it says that it's type is the mc80A cruiser/mc80 cruiser
I remember reading somewhere- maybe one of the X-Wing novels- that some of the small "blisters" were actually anti-starfighter bombs. Sensors would indicate whether an incoming fighter was friend or foe, if it would fly though a predefined field of effect, and if there were any friendlies that could get caught in the blast. If the conditions were right, the armament would detonate and throw a lot of shrapnel at the enemy. Rebel/Republic fighters would abandon chasing some enemy fighters if they got too close to the Mon Cals to avoid any unnecessary conflicts.
@@lukesearle1302 I think those were about A wings ? Using bulk cruisers as makeshift Carriers being an old trick , and that A wings are interceptors not very good for escort duties , that's what I can remember about bulk cruisers , the Blister bombs is what I remember about assault frigate or escort frigate
Do love the breakdowns! Some of the flaws of the design were mostly due to them being converted from passenger liners. The ship was a broadside vessel, which meant it could only bring half it's guns to bear on a single target at a time. Whereas an ISD facing forwards could bring virtually all it's guns beyond the rear arc to fire for brutally effective barrages. Given they were broadside vessels, this also meant that the hangars were vulnerable to concentrated fire which made launching and recovering starfighters over combat was extremely dangerous. Also until after the Battle of Endor due to the ships being made primarily for Mon Calmari physiology repairing them was extremely difficult due to the unique nature of parts intended for them and the small number of technicians who were fluent with them. Very few shipyards the Alliance had could do more than basic repairs on them, and virtually only the shipyards on Mon Cala could build them, which meant very few were capable of being fielded. But they were virtually the only ship in the Alliance Navy that could go toe to toe with Imperial class Star Destroyers and survive (or sometimes win) which made them desperately necessary. Going by Legends you have the Battle of Turkana (the debut of the X-Wing fighter in combat) where 7 MC-80 variants drove off 11 ISD's with only a few squadrons of X-Wing and Y-Wings with them, that eliminated the Imperial fighter screen and left the ISD's vulnerable to a crossfire.
See I much preferred the original idea back in the EU when Mon Calamari warships were actually just converted passenger luxary ships like the those big ocean liners we have today. Home One literally had an indoor beach, it doesn't get anymore luxurious than that! I wasn't a fan when they retconned them into being underwater buildings with engines in the new canon...
that idea is retarded and a refuse to accept the "new canon" The MC-80s being a mix of passenger and cargo ships converted into military use is both more interesting and historically realistic (prior to the last 140 years) it was not uncommon for merchant ships to be converted into war ships.
It would be interesting to see a version that would work like the outbound flight dreadnought ship. With 6 sub section ships around an MC-80-ish core hull.
mon cala cruisers are some of my favorite ships in star wars i just love the design and seeing the home one in ahsoka is just awesome my favorite is the mc80 liberty the winged version
Thanks for another upload! How did the #Moncalamari and #Quarren feel about the #Gungun ? Did the later serve on their ships? Did either build or have colonies on #Naboo ?
Ngl I kinda like the idea that Home One is bigger and more powerful than a traditional ISD. Gives the rebels at least one ship that could be considered a “Dreadnought” (before they got their hands on Imperial Dreadnoughts).
@MetaNerdz hey man really like your vids and I personally always thought that the MonCala ships were underrated. Cheers for this. If I may make a suggestion, could you make a video on the Darklighter family? In my opinion is it that the Darklighter’s may be the most influential family in all of StarWars lore
Adm. Ackbar doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves. I'd like to see a life story on him. He's always so cool under fire, and in his crisp white uniform, he reminds me of the naval captains in old WWII movies. What events shaped his life? What made him such a confident badass? He's got a different "something" than all the others.
Some say that the Home One Type MC80's aren't all the same size and that Ackbar's Home One was one of the largest. But really, I think the ship scales in the movie aren't consistent (because they weren't taking it THAT seriously back then) and the size changes from scene to scene. Then later, source books didn't know what to do about it so now we got wack ass numbers and nothing adds up 😅
@@Kurayamiblack So - forgive me if I go off on a exceptionally in depth essay, for fans here: All those statistics listed are 'official' basically - beginning in West End Game's Roleplaying Game. It's possible the 10 starfighter squadrons figure began there too, but perhaps that is a holdover from some behind the scenes information? The Return of the Jedi Novelization in 1983 hints the Home One is 'larger' than pretty much every other Rebel ship preparing to go to Endor. The Technical Commentaries site estimates the right-hand hangar is about 29.146 times smaller than the overall ship length - but has an interior 'lip' with a smaller inner bay, which seems to be much smaller (44.26 times smaller than the whole length - or 5.4 cm relative to a 239 cm total model) All that leads to a very large size for the ship, assuming the bay is over 60 metres wide. Easily close to 3000 metres. If it is 70 metres wide internally then the total length is about 3100 metres. And in Ahsoka recently, when the Ghost lands inside - that has been estimated (by rebelscale. cm) as giving a total length of 3200 metres or more - or two miles. Whilst Technical Commentaries uses other clues about the landed shuttle or ships outside, to get an upper limit of 3800 metres. Myself I am most comfortable with a size of 3.1 to 3.2 km. The 1300 metre size has been added in the early 2000s, I think - by the Wizards of the Coast roleplaying game. Obviously it only works if you ignore the hangar's literal layout. The sublight speed figure is prone to shift between RPG stats and the X-Wing video games (which rounded some up or down) If the speed given is '7' in the RPG, and the TIE Fighter speed is '8', then the TIE either clocks out at 100 MGLT, or 80 MGLT. But both the X-Wing and the TIE have variants in West End Games where the speed is listed as '10'. If the former, then 100 may = 8, and then 87.5 may = '7', and 75 may equal '6' (like the ISD and the MC80 are often listed as) In the video games, all warships average much slower speeds though - not counting atmospheric speeds. Also, yes, a lot of this has been hashed out on the Jedi Council Forums (particularly in Fleet Junkie Flagship pages) and also: yeah, I am a member these days. Just FYI. But it can be fun to discuss such things. Just like with a certain 'five mile SSD' ah - dispute.
So Home one at one point was 3 kilometers, so twice the size of an ISD. Most MC80's where built smaller than a ISD. Depending on reference guides, or cannon versus legends.
i don't think that "MC-80" should refer to anything other than Rebel Mon Cal Cruisers equipped with the Advanced Rebel 80 series reactor core. Basically, it was developed by the Rebels so they could convert the MonCal Merchant and exploration fleet into a first-rate battle fleet. First they cut out sections for installation of an "MC-80" reactor then after installation they would fitt out the ship appropriately for its role in the Rebel Fleet. Some were used as frontal Battlecruisers, others as Battle Carriers (like Home 1) Since Moncal Ships came in so many varieties ships were basically custom built but they all had the MC-80 reactor in command that allowed very powerful shielding and Turbo Laser support. They Key to the MC-80 line was the MC-80 reactor was superior to the older type model used on ISD Is and ISD II (it was in fact a heavily upgraded version of a pre-clone Wars reactor) After the destruction of Alderan and the destruction of the first Death Star the Empire lost virtually all political credit beyond fear and bribery. This is why the Rebels gained so much power in such a relatively short period as lots of first-rate scientists joined the Rebelion and many planets began to ""lose"" (donate) valvule resources and equipment, allowing the Rebellion to expand. Of course the Empire was still a very powerful force, but it could no longer rule by any kind of popular mandate and only through fear.
The MC80 Home One ships gotta be one of my favorite ships. I do have to wonder though, what would happen if the Kamminoan cities wasn't destroyed by the Empire, and the Kamminoans joined the Rebellion, with a bunch of Venators, Acclamators and Kuat decided to say "eff it, let's join the Rebellion", while contributing the ships the clones were used to? I know, i know, it's an alternate Star Wars reality, but who would supply the Empire if Kuat decided to change team, and collaborate with the Mon Calas. I actually want to see a What If show, just like the one Marvel has, but for Star Wars. I do hope we get to see a movie where Kuat and the Mon Cala ship yard collaborates in a ship and for once is on the good side, together, helping the Republic Rey, Finn, Poe and the Resistance helped to rebuild and restore, during their war with the First and Final Order. We do after all know Star Wars EP 10, 11 and 12 is coming, so maybe we get to see Mon Cala Shipyards and Kuat Driveyards on the same side. I hope it happens
In X-Wing Alliance, it's name was the Independence. In my mind it was only titled Home-One when it was acting as the Rebel Alliance HQ with Mon Mothma and the other Rebel leaders, but it became synonymous with the ship particularly after Endor, so old rebel hands continued to refer to it as the honorific Home One even after it's call-sign changed back to the Independence.
I wonder if you'd ever be interested in covering some of the lego star wars ships. Obviously the lego sets themselves aren't really somethino cite for lore or information, less than even the action figures would be, and Lego Star Wars is definitely on the outermost run of "canon" in the franchise regardless of Disney's pretense of canon. But there's been a few Lego Star Wars shows and movies put out by this point, so it exists as a thing to consider. Mainly I just really like the Freemaker Adventures, which is about a group of salvagers who eventually join up with the rebels as repairmen and shipwrights, and I think there are some neat designs in there. (and ironically I don't think the tie-in lego sets are even very good anyways). I think season 2 where they're serving on the Home One servicing starfighters is kind of a neat perspective on the ship, even if it's all jokey and cartoony
Mon Calamari Cruisers are basically works of art, converted to warfare, but built to last. But realistically in terms of warfare, converting civilian vessels to war use, is only done out of desperation which was the case in the star wars universe. The Rebel Alliance couldn't afford to be picky, and an MC80 with its powerful armament and durable shields and hull was simply just too good to refuse. Like in Star Wars Rebels when Phoenix Squadron steals 3 hammerhead corvettes, its obvious, the Rebels took whatever they could get and that makes good practical sense. The MC80's "blisters" being breakaway lifeboats, seems like a good idea, but in truth it makes more handy to just use escape pods because a breakaway craft, would have to maintain its own engines and life support systems, and that would require more crew and resources to maintain. Remember, the more systems your ship has, all the more can go wrong. I would like to see more vids on the actual Mon Calamari Cruisers like the MC90's that were built strictly as warships.
Happened a little bit like in the 80s with for example, the Atlantic Conveyor being used as an aircraft carrier for Harriers in the Falklands or the Britannic being used as a hospital ship in WW1
My life has been a complete and total misery ever since a Wookiee stole my precious girlfriend in the middle of the night. 😒 He even took all her clothes and the T.V. 😔
Nah even in Legends they were those sizes. They retconned those informations, because... I don't know. But you can find it on Wookiepedia or some other sources. Some prefer to give the Home One the size of around 3.000 metres. But the most sources use the 1.2 - 1.4 kilometres
@@EddieCorsis9398that started around the time feloni was getting going, and while it was before the buyout, it's still definitely more a part of the Disney era than what came before.
@@wordwyrd The stats making it 1.2 and 1.3 km began long before Disney. But yes, 3.1 to 3.8 km is what evidence based on the hangar interior keep pointing to. Even in the Ahsoka show. The thing is that old printed stats keep getting recycled. Even the new encyclopaedia book gives the wrong length for the Hammerhead corvette.
So was it 2 Mon Calamari’s in the Endor battle cause one obviously got destroyed by the Death Star. If I’m not mistaken Akbar was on board an MC 80 during the whole battle & before hyperspace, ROTJ showed 2.
Forgive my ignorance, but i believe i have seen pictures of these vessels being used as habitats under water before being used as war ships, the picture depicts them as almost tower blocks nestled amongst the fauna under water.
The issue was they never mass produced their ships cause each ship even if in the same general line had so many custom features per ship. The ISDs were mass produced at KUAT. Sure a Mon Cal ship is way stronger then and ISD, but for every Mon Cal ship you make, they make 5 ISDs
@@uridovitzgaming2281 Thats empire at war definitely, but with what mod? no sure. Can be Thrawn mod, or awakening of the rebellion or maybe some other.
One of my biggest disillusionments in star wars was how multiple sources of canon state that every moncal cruisers hull "blisters" were a unique / random pattern / placement and this was literally never indicated in any star wars media like, ever... 😢
There must have been a lot of open space! They are almost a mile long but only hold that of a modern aircraft carrier. 5000 personal and 120 fighter ships?
As much as i love the Mon Cal Cruisers and their unique design i always think that it is mere plot armor that a MC of any version is more powerful than any Star Destroyer. the ships are redesigned civil luxury cruisers. how could that compare to a ship that is specifically designed for space combat and intergalactic warfare? image telling anyone that the redesigned titanic would have been the most powerful battleship in WW1. you`d ask yourself "how on earth could that be ???" it couldn't. and i dont understand why there is so much effort to make the MCs the better ship instead of having the underdog story
1:40 it always makes me annoyed with stuff like crew counts in starwars. like this ship, It would probably need like 50,000 crew to operate, but it's only a couple of thousand . It just doesn't make sense, and it bugs me a lot.
A spaceship would be in likeness to a submarine crew. Small and well equipped to preform multiple different roles for the vessel. Also the federation gets passed this problem with having many many piolt Droids. Many of the larger spacecraft would also doubt less have programing to run half of the ship on its own.
They have literal AI. Like, they actively have components capable of a level of intelligence and self sufficiency that we do not. Their crew sizes are going to be significantly lower as a result.
I mean, Jezus, we know this channel was created by a kid, and I don't mean to embarrass him. But good god is there a one of you alive who thinks that Lucas, or the profiteering movie studio gave ANY thoughts or shits about this level of detail? They were selling movie tickets. No matter how much you love it, the entirety of this franchise contains tons of physics plot holes and crappy dialog. This isn't "lore" guys, for god sakes go invent something, please.
Lets just admit what we all know. The root of all problems in the Star Wars universe is religion. The war between the Jedi and the Sith is the true conflict, with everyone else just pawns. Without them, the Empire is certainly not evil and more or less a human peace keeping force, protecting trade and human interests and in fact are generally quite polite soldiers on the ground just doing their jobs altruistically and professionally. The rebels by and large are just terrorists, and with the Jedi and Sith gone, there is no reason for their existence.
I LOVE the Mon Calamari cruisers.
Watch out for that iceberg!!
me too!
yeah, they look like flying poops =))))))
They're the best! I always imagine commanding a Mon Calamari fleet, would be so amazing!
With that central attium with the artifical environment sure shows how it was a luxury vessel first before becoming a warship. Must have made down time between battles a lot of fun abaord the ship.
That *was* the case until CTW and following subsequent media retconned Mon Cala ships as underwater buildings with engines...
@@FrostbiteDigital The earliest EU materials said that Mon Cala was an alien civilization that Empire made first contact with. Underestimating them led to Empire losing an entire fleet during their initial subjugation attempt. Ackbar was enslaved and became "personal property" of none other than Wilhuf Tarkin. Not aboard the Death Star when it was destroyed, he was able to escape (presumably taking the advantage of chaos and power vacuum resulting from loss of the Death Star) and contact Rebel Alliance.
"Don't let the humans swim in the atrium! Every time they do the water makes our eyes itch! Can't figure it out..."
They weren't luxury vessels...they were literally mini cities. Like, think of them as skyscrapers clustered together at the bottom of the oceans of their home world. They were designed to be able to flee in case of emergency, which the Empire certainly was. So, it's literally a home ship by any definition
My personal head Canon is that the Home One itself is 3.2km long. OG Empire at War size.
3.2-3.8 is the apparent scale as close to consistent as you can manage it in he movies.
I do remember home one straight dwarfing the ISD
When I did an analysis for my website RebelScale, I came up with about 3.2km. It has to be at least 3.2km to fit the Lambda-class shuttle in it.
@@rebelscale Yes, I read that! Nicely done.
It is at least 3.2km. the shorter length was a conflict/retcon in Legends material if i recall correctly.
Being a bonafide ship nerd and hangar bay enthusiast, this is by far one of my most beloved ships. I loved the hangar bay scene in jedi. I would love to see someone fab up on blender something new and different for landing operations, or do an interior of home one.
I always wanted to wonder around one in X-wing versus Tie fighter the computer game. So disappointed that I couldn't.
@@lukesearle1302 Don't even get me started on squadrons. Some of it is decent, but a lot of missed opportunities.
@@RemoWilliams-jg4yb I wish they remade the old games. I spent days on Force Commander.
@@lukesearle1302 I really wasn't into gaming, but I watched my friends. I guess you could say I was in a pop culture blackout. The graphics may not be up to par, but the framework and storyline was better it seems
I still wanna see one of these ships filled with water for it's aquatic crew.
That could make for an interesting battle, with scuba troopers being used in a boarding action.
I imagine that a boarding party just breeches the hull and all the water and aquatic life freezes
@brandonjew1397 If anything, a ship full of water would probably take much longer to decompress, and water has a much higher specific heat than air, so it would take much longer to freeze.
Home one was the name of the ship shown in return of the jedi. In 1:54 in the bottom right corner it says that it's type is the mc80A cruiser/mc80 cruiser
In 1:14 you have the same MGLT rating for the MC80 and Executor.
I remember reading somewhere- maybe one of the X-Wing novels- that some of the small "blisters" were actually anti-starfighter bombs. Sensors would indicate whether an incoming fighter was friend or foe, if it would fly though a predefined field of effect, and if there were any friendlies that could get caught in the blast. If the conditions were right, the armament would detonate and throw a lot of shrapnel at the enemy. Rebel/Republic fighters would abandon chasing some enemy fighters if they got too close to the Mon Cals to avoid any unnecessary conflicts.
That wasn't Mon Cal's, that was bulk cruisers. It was in Heir to an Empire trilogy.
@@lukesearle1302 Maybe bulk cruisers , but Maybe Assault frigates?
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 no Bulk cruisers as Thrawn said that the rebels had started arming their bulk cruisers to defend convoys.
@@lukesearle1302 I think those were about A wings ? Using bulk cruisers as makeshift Carriers being an old trick , and that A wings are interceptors not very good for escort duties , that's what I can remember about bulk cruisers , the Blister bombs is what I remember about assault frigate or escort frigate
@sumukhvmrsat6347 it was during that battle, it was a single sentence. The A-wings was also mentioned.
Do love the breakdowns! Some of the flaws of the design were mostly due to them being converted from passenger liners. The ship was a broadside vessel, which meant it could only bring half it's guns to bear on a single target at a time. Whereas an ISD facing forwards could bring virtually all it's guns beyond the rear arc to fire for brutally effective barrages. Given they were broadside vessels, this also meant that the hangars were vulnerable to concentrated fire which made launching and recovering starfighters over combat was extremely dangerous.
Also until after the Battle of Endor due to the ships being made primarily for Mon Calmari physiology repairing them was extremely difficult due to the unique nature of parts intended for them and the small number of technicians who were fluent with them. Very few shipyards the Alliance had could do more than basic repairs on them, and virtually only the shipyards on Mon Cala could build them, which meant very few were capable of being fielded.
But they were virtually the only ship in the Alliance Navy that could go toe to toe with Imperial class Star Destroyers and survive (or sometimes win) which made them desperately necessary.
Going by Legends you have the Battle of Turkana (the debut of the X-Wing fighter in combat) where 7 MC-80 variants drove off 11 ISD's with only a few squadrons of X-Wing and Y-Wings with them, that eliminated the Imperial fighter screen and left the ISD's vulnerable to a crossfire.
See I much preferred the original idea back in the EU when Mon Calamari warships were actually just converted passenger luxary ships like the those big ocean liners we have today. Home One literally had an indoor beach, it doesn't get anymore luxurious than that!
I wasn't a fan when they retconned them into being underwater buildings with engines in the new canon...
that idea is retarded and a refuse to accept the "new canon"
The MC-80s being a mix of passenger and cargo ships converted into military use is both more interesting and historically realistic (prior to the last 140 years) it was not uncommon for merchant ships to be converted into war ships.
Apparently they're a mix of the two in newcanon.
It would be interesting to see a version that would work like the outbound flight dreadnought ship. With 6 sub section ships around an MC-80-ish core hull.
I like to imagine that the New Republic did something similar to Outbound Flight. Mon-Cal ships seem like the best option
Another fine addition to my collection
*cybernetic cough of approval*
I dreamt of the day you'd cover the MC80
Some dreams do come true.
mon cala cruisers are some of my favorite ships in star wars i just love the design and seeing the home one in ahsoka is just awesome my favorite is the mc80 liberty the winged version
MC80 Liberty is gorgeous!
Thanks for another upload!
How did the #Moncalamari
and #Quarren feel about the
#Gungun ? Did the later serve
on their ships? Did either build
or have colonies on #Naboo ?
Why did you type it like that? Lol
@brandoncoleman673
Like what?
I have a tiny screen?
Fat fingers?
@@ChristopherPowell-g5y The hashtags and the weird spacing?
Loved these books. Great to see you combine the other lore sources with it.
Home-One Class is so good in Thrawns Revenge, easily one of the NRs best ships.
Thank you for this when I least expected I needed it. With GW being a pita and everything else needing work... This sates my boredom. Thank you.
One of the greatest Star Wars ship lines!
I've been waiting for this
All mon cala ships are awesome but its something about the home one design that makes it look sooo cool
Ngl I kinda like the idea that Home One is bigger and more powerful than a traditional ISD. Gives the rebels at least one ship that could be considered a “Dreadnought” (before they got their hands on Imperial Dreadnoughts).
I love Mon Cal tech so this is right up my alley.
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Thats a VERY smart design.
Need to come back and watch again i miss watching these videos
Shipyards over Coruscant repaired HomeOne! the irony😮
Playing Empire at War Thrawn’s Revenge mod gives you an appreciation for how huge and tanky these things are
What addon is this in 0:14
@MetaNerdz hey man really like your vids and I personally always thought that the MonCala ships were underrated. Cheers for this.
If I may make a suggestion, could you make a video on the Darklighter family?
In my opinion is it that the Darklighter’s may be the most influential family in all of StarWars lore
Adm. Ackbar doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves. I'd like to see a life story on him. He's always so cool under fire, and in his crisp white uniform, he reminds me of the naval captains in old WWII movies. What events shaped his life? What made him such a confident badass? He's got a different "something" than all the others.
I still refuse to believe that the Home One is smaller than a ISD
Some say that the Home One Type MC80's aren't all the same size and that Ackbar's Home One was one of the largest.
But really, I think the ship scales in the movie aren't consistent (because they weren't taking it THAT seriously back then) and the size changes from scene to scene. Then later, source books didn't know what to do about it so now we got wack ass numbers and nothing adds up 😅
@ I just go with the Empire at War sizing
@@Kurayamiblack So - forgive me if I go off on a exceptionally in depth essay, for fans here:
All those statistics listed are 'official' basically - beginning in West End Game's Roleplaying Game.
It's possible the 10 starfighter squadrons figure began there too, but perhaps that is a holdover from some behind the scenes information?
The Return of the Jedi Novelization in 1983 hints the Home One is 'larger' than pretty much every other Rebel ship preparing to go to Endor.
The Technical Commentaries site estimates the right-hand hangar is about 29.146 times smaller than the overall ship length - but has an interior 'lip' with a smaller inner bay, which seems to be much smaller (44.26 times smaller than the whole length - or 5.4 cm relative to a 239 cm total model)
All that leads to a very large size for the ship, assuming the bay is over 60 metres wide. Easily close to 3000 metres. If it is 70 metres wide internally then the total length is about 3100 metres.
And in Ahsoka recently, when the Ghost lands inside - that has been estimated (by rebelscale. cm) as giving a total length of 3200 metres or more - or two miles.
Whilst Technical Commentaries uses other clues about the landed shuttle or ships outside, to get an upper limit of 3800 metres.
Myself I am most comfortable with a size of 3.1 to 3.2 km. The 1300 metre size has been added in the early 2000s, I think - by the Wizards of the Coast roleplaying game. Obviously it only works if you ignore the hangar's literal layout.
The sublight speed figure is prone to shift between RPG stats and the X-Wing video games (which rounded some up or down)
If the speed given is '7' in the RPG, and the TIE Fighter speed is '8', then the TIE either clocks out at 100 MGLT, or 80 MGLT. But both the X-Wing and the TIE have variants in West End Games where the speed is listed as '10'.
If the former, then 100 may = 8, and then 87.5 may = '7', and 75 may equal '6' (like the ISD and the MC80 are often listed as) In the video games, all warships average much slower speeds though - not counting atmospheric speeds. Also, yes, a lot of this has been hashed out on the Jedi Council Forums (particularly in Fleet Junkie Flagship pages) and also: yeah, I am a member these days.
Just FYI. But it can be fun to discuss such things. Just like with a certain 'five mile SSD' ah - dispute.
So Home one at one point was 3 kilometers, so twice the size of an ISD. Most MC80's where built smaller than a ISD. Depending on reference guides, or cannon versus legends.
i don't think that "MC-80" should refer to anything other than Rebel Mon Cal Cruisers equipped with the Advanced Rebel 80 series reactor core. Basically, it was developed by the Rebels so they could convert the MonCal Merchant and exploration fleet into a first-rate battle fleet. First they cut out sections for installation of an "MC-80" reactor then after installation they would fitt out the ship appropriately for its role in the Rebel Fleet. Some were used as frontal Battlecruisers, others as Battle Carriers (like Home 1) Since Moncal Ships came in so many varieties ships were basically custom built but they all had the MC-80 reactor in command that allowed very powerful shielding and Turbo Laser support.
They Key to the MC-80 line was the MC-80 reactor was superior to the older type model used on ISD Is and ISD II (it was in fact a heavily upgraded version of a pre-clone Wars reactor)
After the destruction of Alderan and the destruction of the first Death Star the Empire lost virtually all political credit beyond fear and bribery.
This is why the Rebels gained so much power in such a relatively short period as lots of first-rate scientists joined the Rebelion and many planets began to ""lose"" (donate) valvule resources and equipment, allowing the Rebellion to expand.
Of course the Empire was still a very powerful force, but it could no longer rule by any kind of popular mandate and only through fear.
The MC80 Home One ships gotta be one of my favorite ships. I do have to wonder though, what would happen if the Kamminoan cities wasn't destroyed by the Empire, and the Kamminoans joined the Rebellion, with a bunch of Venators, Acclamators and Kuat decided to say "eff it, let's join the Rebellion", while contributing the ships the clones were used to?
I know, i know, it's an alternate Star Wars reality, but who would supply the Empire if Kuat decided to change team, and collaborate with the Mon Calas. I actually want to see a What If show, just like the one Marvel has, but for Star Wars.
I do hope we get to see a movie where Kuat and the Mon Cala ship yard collaborates in a ship and for once is on the good side, together, helping the Republic Rey, Finn, Poe and the Resistance helped to rebuild and restore, during their war with the First and Final Order. We do after all know Star Wars EP 10, 11 and 12 is coming, so maybe we get to see Mon Cala Shipyards and Kuat Driveyards on the same side. I hope it happens
In X-Wing Alliance, it's name was the Independence. In my mind it was only titled Home-One when it was acting as the Rebel Alliance HQ with Mon Mothma and the other Rebel leaders, but it became synonymous with the ship particularly after Endor, so old rebel hands continued to refer to it as the honorific Home One even after it's call-sign changed back to the Independence.
I love hearing you do the beloved Mon Calamari ships #MetaNerdz
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I love the Homeone it's been my favorite for a long time
I wonder if you'd ever be interested in covering some of the lego star wars ships. Obviously the lego sets themselves aren't really somethino cite for lore or information, less than even the action figures would be, and Lego Star Wars is definitely on the outermost run of "canon" in the franchise regardless of Disney's pretense of canon. But there's been a few Lego Star Wars shows and movies put out by this point, so it exists as a thing to consider.
Mainly I just really like the Freemaker Adventures, which is about a group of salvagers who eventually join up with the rebels as repairmen and shipwrights, and I think there are some neat designs in there. (and ironically I don't think the tie-in lego sets are even very good anyways). I think season 2 where they're serving on the Home One servicing starfighters is kind of a neat perspective on the ship, even if it's all jokey and cartoony
I attended a nerf herder conference on an old home one. Some of the nerfs got into the water passages. It was fun.
I have a suggestion for a ship breakdown for you. The contentor class resupply ship
Mon Calamari Cruisers are basically works of art, converted to warfare, but built to last.
But realistically in terms of warfare, converting civilian vessels to war use, is only done out of desperation which was the case in the star wars universe. The Rebel Alliance couldn't afford to be picky, and an MC80 with its powerful armament and durable shields and hull was simply just too good to refuse. Like in Star Wars Rebels when Phoenix Squadron steals 3 hammerhead corvettes, its obvious, the Rebels took whatever they could get and that makes good practical sense.
The MC80's "blisters" being breakaway lifeboats, seems like a good idea, but in truth it makes more handy to just use escape pods because a breakaway craft, would have to maintain its own engines and life support systems, and that would require more crew and resources to maintain. Remember, the more systems your ship has, all the more can go wrong.
I would like to see more vids on the actual Mon Calamari Cruisers like the MC90's that were built strictly as warships.
Happened a little bit like in the 80s with for example, the Atlantic Conveyor being used as an aircraft carrier for Harriers in the Falklands or the Britannic being used as a hospital ship in WW1
Do more MC-80 Ships breakdown
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Even the TV? Now that's just cruel.
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Home One (and her three sister ships) was twice the size of an ISD until Disney started screwing things up.
Nah even in Legends they were those sizes. They retconned those informations, because... I don't know. But you can find it on Wookiepedia or some other sources. Some prefer to give the Home One the size of around 3.000 metres. But the most sources use the 1.2 - 1.4 kilometres
@@EddieCorsis9398that started around the time feloni was getting going, and while it was before the buyout, it's still definitely more a part of the Disney era than what came before.
@@wordwyrd The stats making it 1.2 and 1.3 km began long before Disney.
But yes, 3.1 to 3.8 km is what evidence based on the hangar interior keep pointing to.
Even in the Ahsoka show.
The thing is that old printed stats keep getting recycled.
Even the new encyclopaedia book gives the wrong length for the Hammerhead corvette.
So was it 2 Mon Calamari’s in the Endor battle cause one obviously got destroyed by the Death Star. If I’m not mistaken Akbar was on board an MC 80 during the whole battle & before hyperspace, ROTJ showed 2.
Forgive my ignorance, but i believe i have seen pictures of these vessels being used as habitats under water before being used as war ships, the picture depicts them as almost tower blocks nestled amongst the fauna under water.
i read that some were originally cruise liners for luxury travel
Next try the MC-80 Justice, the MC-80 Freedom and the MC-80 Alliance
I love Mon Calamari but I much prefer the MC 80 Liberty Type or even the MC90
Let's go, Squid Ships!
We are getting a Lego of it!
If these capital ships have so many turbo lasers, how come you can never see them on the ships?
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The ship is almost like a large whale with smaller fish hitching rides. Very marine like!
The issue was they never mass produced their ships cause each ship even if in the same general line had so many custom features per ship. The ISDs were mass produced at KUAT. Sure a Mon Cal ship is way stronger then and ISD, but for every Mon Cal ship you make, they make 5 ISDs
YES!
what is the game they're using to show The ships cuz it looks like Star Wars Empires at War but newer
It is empire at war but probably with some mods. But best will be if you will write timestamp so I can be 100% correct.
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@@uridovitzgaming2281 Thats empire at war definitely, but with what mod? no sure. Can be Thrawn mod, or awakening of the rebellion or maybe some other.
Thrawn's Revenge mod
@@spartantraveler7251 is there any way to get that high quality for the Clone Wars mod
For me, the "Home One" is still just a call sign. Akbar's actual ship was called the "Independence".
I’m sorry but damnnn you’re just NOW doing the home one😭FINALLY
One of my biggest disillusionments in star wars was how multiple sources of canon state that every moncal cruisers hull "blisters" were a unique / random pattern / placement and this was literally never indicated in any star wars media like, ever... 😢
Is there a video that explains EVERY rebel and New republic space battles in SW legend?
There must have been a lot of open space! They are almost a mile long but only hold that of a modern aircraft carrier. 5000 personal and 120 fighter ships?
What's the video game at 9:25 and 9:35? I haven't played this one
ah yes, the space turds
KKKAMALA Hairyass went to space?
9:31. I must know what game that is!
To be honest the number one thing I'm looking at is the one part of the actual Shipley there's a forest no trees a beach and an island in it
Were the "home ships" used in Ahsoka a version or inspiration for their design?
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Anybody else notice that nobody outside Star Trek dares use rhe sacred name Enterprise? 😂
Home one is at least 2.3 KM, if not 3.2 I don't care what the written stats say, the model is clearly far larger than an ISD.
Complicated , you mean Beautiful
ur telling me it takes 4500 people to crew an aircraft carrier but only 5400 to crew a capital starchip the size of a small city
What book it it ?
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For once, it ISN'T a trap. Rest easy, Ackbar, you legend...
OK what does Megalight rating mean?
Would it seriously take a dozen ISDs to take one of these down? Are ISDs underpowered? Are Home Ones overpowered?
As much as i love the Mon Cal Cruisers and their unique design i always think that it is mere plot armor that a MC of any version is more powerful than any Star Destroyer.
the ships are redesigned civil luxury cruisers. how could that compare to a ship that is specifically designed for space combat and intergalactic warfare?
image telling anyone that the redesigned titanic would have been the most powerful battleship in WW1.
you`d ask yourself "how on earth could that be ???"
it couldn't. and i dont understand why there is so much effort to make the MCs the better ship instead of having the underdog story
Could you imagine how smelly that bridge would be!?
Complicated? Maybe. Inconsistent? Absolutely.
78 gunners? really? Cuz on the picture it says 246
day 4 of asking for a tie striker breakdown.
honestly forgot i was doing this after recovering from a fever
1:55 Ah yes, Star Wars numbers again. 20,000 tons of cargo? A ship with this volume is 10+ million tons. 20,000 tons of cargo? LOL
Your voice is a bit off today...did you spend the night yelling at Netflix last night like the rest of the country?
Why's that?
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That's exactly what I was going to say. So, why is that?
@@Nikolina_Zemljak @frenzalrhomb6919 the Mike Tyson fight last night...just as the main event was starting, Netflix bugged out.
@@frenzalrhomb6919Last night was the boxing match between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul
Now I’m curious….👀
20k cargo, 400k worth of ships in the hanger...
I know The Next Ship
The Mon Calamari Blue Diver
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I thought none of thier ships were exactly the same
Home One ist the Name of that specific one ship not the Ship Class name
It's a trap!
It was what now it was a part of the Starfleet command is it Star Wars fake note with
1,300 meters is BS
Whoever wrote those books should just retcon it to match ROTJ
star war is a story
I hear it took place long long ago.
Its so offending that this things is called a cruiser and not a star destroyer :/
Star Defender would be much better.
1:40 it always makes me annoyed with stuff like crew counts in starwars. like this ship, It would probably need like 50,000 crew to operate, but it's only a couple of thousand . It just doesn't make sense, and it bugs me a lot.
A spaceship would be in likeness to a submarine crew. Small and well equipped to preform multiple different roles for the vessel. Also the federation gets passed this problem with having many many piolt Droids. Many of the larger spacecraft would also doubt less have programing to run half of the ship on its own.
They have literal AI. Like, they actively have components capable of a level of intelligence and self sufficiency that we do not. Their crew sizes are going to be significantly lower as a result.
Wait till you find out it’s fiction 🤯
I mean, Jezus, we know this channel was created by a kid, and I don't mean to embarrass him. But good god is there a one of you alive who thinks that Lucas, or the profiteering movie studio gave ANY thoughts or shits about this level of detail? They were selling movie tickets. No matter how much you love it, the entirety of this franchise contains tons of physics plot holes and crappy dialog. This isn't "lore" guys, for god sakes go invent something, please.
Lets just admit what we all know. The root of all problems in the Star Wars universe is religion. The war between the Jedi and the Sith is the true conflict, with everyone else just pawns. Without them, the Empire is certainly not evil and more or less a human peace keeping force, protecting trade and human interests and in fact are generally quite polite soldiers on the ground just doing their jobs altruistically and professionally. The rebels by and large are just terrorists, and with the Jedi and Sith gone, there is no reason for their existence.
Sexiest ship in Star Wars.
Looks like a turd
I stopped after 35 seconds if it's just old legends nonsense. Mon Cal ships deserve better.
That's how long it took you to pointlessly and rhetorically make that comment.