CRAP 3D Printed hubs| David Arthur Reams me, EXCLUSIVE NACA spokes: Real Reporting Eurobike 2024
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- Day 2 at Eurobike consisted of some real analysis of Scope's new 3d printed hubs. GCN described these as making incredible wheels. I think an honest person would describe them as utter crap, the holes look like octagons. I also got a first look at some NACA-profiled aero spokes.
And even though you may think it was AI, I got a selfie with my hero, none other than David Arthur @davidarthur
We also ran into Chris Miller @ChrisMillerCycling
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I think you are much more handsome in real life!❤
The german answer to zwift is like zwift but its not allowed to be fun
Are you sure you said cut?
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@@JNorth87 don't want to be relying on power-ups on the road, Mario
Those quick disconnect hydraulic parts should be an industry standard. What a great product.
Been in the endurance racing world for a long while now. Should have been designed into the system from the start. Marketing saying they copied the car industry yet didn't bother with this likely as the first to market cost would be extremely high to justify it. Guess now it is reasonable seeing how much people are paying for bikes these days.
@@paulschulman8131 no doubt significantly more expensive
I have quick connect couplers for the hydraulic line of my Kubota garden tractor. The Japanese are so advanced 😂🙃
there's already a few who have similar for MTB brakes, Magura, Lewis and another the name I can't remember.
@@CurtisCycles
Intend?
Trickstuff?
Hambini had to end the video there before things got out of hand. Re: hydraulic decouplers. We all use them/ know they exist in other industries just waiting for the wanketeers to market them as a new must have miracle. I've gone to the effort of preemptive product names: so Shimano system will be called Hydrolink and SRAM Rapidhose, LTWOO will be HhRX
This is spot on 😂
There’s no need for anybody to be nasty to David Arthur and glad to see your interaction was cordial 😃
Be careful you might get shilled from behind
he's a paid shill and nothing more
"I'm objectively nice, and my mum says I'm handsome!"
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Reamer and shiller in one shot! Some slight cringe.....
Stolen comment
Khunt.. interview ends.
Hambini is being nice this year! 😂 I'm a big fan of Winspace but their logo always reminds me of Warner Brothers lol
oyyyyy vey
those quick disconnect hydro plugs remind me of pc water cooling, but i imagine it's much harder to do on something so small.
also loved the "C-HUNT"......pause.....cut. proper cracked me up. have fun diving into all that clunge.
The proper comment by that gent should’ve been, “Help me Obi-Wan Hambini, you’re my only hope.” 😀
All those manufacturers trying desperately to reinvent the wheel...
"These people are insane, this whole industry is bizarre !" Preach.
I didn't think David Arthur was there for the clunge some how..
3D printing is the next shite PR to hit cycling. And this is coming from someone who does this.
As someone into the 3d printing world, one of the main reasons you would replace conventional manufacturing with 3d printing is if there were geometries that were just not possible to manufacture. It doesn't seem like those hubs are solving any problems and adding to complexity by having computer generated structures.
I'm surprised David Arthur didn't slip some laxatives in your coffee buddy!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
3D Printed hubs should come with 3D Printed Coffins!
Dave and Chris!!
Great info, Hambini. Thanks!
Of all the qualifier _Vision_ would like their wheels to get, *_Agricultural_* must be the last one.
saw a video going over the TDF bikes and a number of those tractors were running Vision wheels.
that Agricultural hit hard for some reason and I don't even get the slung
The factory pre-built rim brake wheel market is dumping all its stock i think. I had a hell of a time finding a decent wheelset that was a, available to buy in the UK, b, did not cost a fortune and c, was not either mavic, fulcrum or campag.
I rode mavic for the last 35 years because of their SUP tech where they weld the rims together. This weld makes it so you do not get stuttter when braking. Others that use pins to join the rim jionts tend to get a build up of rubber that causes the stuttering. Even if you clean the rubber off there will be most times a metal lip from the pinning process that will still cause the stuttering. Even pinned then milled rims will still get that metal lip over time causing the stuttering when braking.
So i like Mavics.
Till i got a pair of Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels in 2018 The rim is SUP welded like the Open CD series. Aero spokes. They look the part, feel the part and act the part till you start using them on a regular basis. Unlike fulcrum and others, Mavic do not seem to have a no twisting of the aero spoke tech on most of their wheels. This leaves you at the mercy of having to constantly twist, with a bladed spoke tool, the spokes back into the proper angle. After every ride i would be using the tool to twist the damn spokes back.
If you only twist the bladed spoke and not the nipple with it at the same time, you are slowly but surely trueing the wheel into being bent. This is what happened to the rim over time. I bent it out of shape and made it useless due to the daily spoke twisting that i had to corrent.
The wheel set was tensioned for me when i first got them. So these were not loose spokes but a crap system that does not hold the spoke into place on the hub. So i am staying away from Mavic as none of their weels have a tech to stop the aaro spokes from twisting. Fulcrum and campag have this tech built into their wheels and their spokes do not twist.
Why am i saying all this?
I bought a pair of Vision Trimax 30KB's. But instead of a bike shop where you normally buy bike parts, i had to buy it on ebay cos no shops here in the UK had rim brake wheels for sale. They did have some but they were mostly carbon and in the 750+ pound sterling range. I am not in a position to spend 750 or more for a set of wheels.
I ended up spending 300 pound on the set.
Lets see if their wheels hold up better. They look really well made and i saw how they are made in a yourtube clip. They properly relieve the stress and re-true when buidling the wheels like you should to get a propely built wheel. I was impressed when i saw that. They even had a machine that stressed the wheel for them. It was as if somebody stood with all their weight on top of one side of the hub and did the same on the other side. Rinse and repeat a few times.
On my every day bikes that i ride i have 105 hubs on 32 hole Mavic Open CD's. GOod wheels. They use J bent spokes. NO aero spokes. J bent aero spokes also wont bend.
Long read....sorry :) BUt i was so impressed with the Vision wheels and the quality that i also did not know what to think of that agricultural description. It made it almost sound bad when then are good wheels. These wheels were not so long ago in the range i could not afford. But people are dumping their rim brake wheels so i could get them.
I like tractors.
“Be nice” was perfect.
L-twoo stand gave me a idea how I could adapt my dad's bike to my little body. I had no idea one could not only flip stem but run it backwards.
You’ll boink your junk on the stem and the same with your knees and the handlebar, I reckon. The steering will also be super twitch
I have just booked a flight on a 3d printed moon rocket should I rethink?
They are fully reliable until point of failure. 😊
Should be better than the original lunar lander...
@@bosrey7807 that was made outa coke cans
"i'm only here for the clunge" perfect!
Winspace agile looks nice.. lovely paint job also.
That wheel with the "melted" together spokes looks quite interesting.
David Arthur just makes me think Gareth from The Office.
More reaming. Let's goooooo!
Wow, never thought to see IC trainer on a bike expo. It's quite fascinating what these guys have made. The UI of the App is really crap for modern standards but the features, connectivity and third-party integration is outstanding. The even have already implemented Zwift virtual shifting with the Zwift Cog.
Thanks for mentioning the zwift virtual shifting. I have a hub one and was wondering about that!
IC Trainer got a mention by Hambini, nice! I us ICT in the second year now and I am glad that i found their software for my training during winter. The UI is a overload by information but their support and quick response to any of my question was fast and really helpful. I recomment iCTrainer if you have no need for gaming gimmicks but for a smart trainer controll software.
Headset spacers are the new derailleur hanger
Loved to see you go to the National Cycling Show at the NEC in June and gave that a real good reaming. I almost was going to go until I realised how unimpressive it was
It's nice being able to talk with fellow shills now that you're one of them as described by Benji you LOOK brand shiller 😉
You sent me the pedals!
@@Hambini okay... Customer supplied shilling
@@Hambini talk about the efficiency of Classified hubs please.
The QR brake line at the end looks sick! I run my brake line thru the steerer on several of my bikes, that would save me lots of time
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nice ending
COVID superspreader called s Bahn 😂😂😂
wireless tire pressure monitor? now we need active tyre pressure adjustment on the go,,,imagine the possibilities
I'm pretty sure there are hydraulic quick disconnects available that don't require bleeding. They only seem to get used on travel bikes with frame couplers.
th-cam.com/video/gy8LuN5VVUc/w-d-xo.html
Extralite and Duke been machining teeth into their freehubs for years.
Those hubs look lethal.
I’m surprised they allowed him to attend.
🤣
Any more info on that tire pressure sensor? Its annoying having to check pressures, this would definitely simplify it. And no batteries is genious. Does it just stick to the inside of your rim? Will it work with sealant?
I assume that wirelsee tpms uses piezoelectric pads for generating power? Clever.
You should start making your own hubs - Hubini.
am I wrong in thinking the t1550 downtube leading edge iss a bit too blunt and the taper towards the trailing edge a bit too aggresive to be ideal?
also am waiting to see if farports offer and rims that are 30+ mm wide and 60+ mm deep. Would be great to have a wide tyre at the back for rolling resistance and comfort gains without gimping aerodynamics by putting a way too wide tyre for the rim.
Chris with his head in his hands.😂 Literally me everyday at work wishing I was riding my bike instead
1:58 hello to Chris Miller! Great to see the TH-cam cycling legeds coming together
Hambini has a new 3-D Printed Prime Minister! Yaaaaaay!
He looks like a walking version of a Lego man
@@Hambini seriously true and funny
Now you said it, yes he does look mechanical and toyish . Prepare for a lego 'labour cabinet' collectors set
@@HambiniYou mean a stiff wnkr? No problem that is his predecessor described as well😢
@@HambiniI think he looks like a living ( sort of ) spitting image puppet with the voice of zippy from rainbow
What's the name of that wireless tire pressure monitor? That sounds awesome.
Should be a winner with the pro teams and mechanics. Clever man, whoever he is
Chris Miller needs our help: please wave a kangaroo or koala in the air and cheer him up, throw him a prawn, anything to take his sadness away
I do hope the SLC 3 isn't implement dropped seat stay 😅
Dropped seatstay and disc only. Stay away my friend haha absolutely not worth it. "Upgraded" 3.0 is now a massive downgrade from the 2.0
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You need to check out zf e bike motors game changer 👍🏼
LTwoo need to get on board with replacement batteries like SRAM do .. otherwise its just a waste of cash unles they guarnatee replacing deraileurs when the irreplaceable battery fails... Luke at @TraceVelo covered this a while ago..
You must be thinking in wintop. The batteries on Ltwoo are easily replaceable and standard sized
Love you for pointing out bullshit products
Why the abrupt ending? The tension was unreal. Did u guys make out?
Making Simon Cooper look the mature one.
Mr. Hambini. What are your thoughts on the “Berd dyneema spokes”? They seem like an interesting bit of tech and I wondered if you had any experience or insight about them. Be well.
Could somebody help me understand how you change a spoke on those internal/glued in/molded (or whatever
) skokes hubs? 5:17 and 7:30
hydraulic decouplers would be useful if the frame holes could let them pass through, at least most of the carbon and alloy frame holes only let the hose pass, and it seems that the decoupler is a little bit bigger.
i have a pair of formula brakes with its "speedlock" connector (what is more or less the same as a decoupler) and its useless, it let you remove the brake caliper for what? the connector diameter is massive, its impossible to get it through a frame.
While I am aware its hard to show the shifting of a group set, those demonstrations (of L-two) are still silly. I want to take that to a decent accent and shift with some proper load. Then we'll see how good it works. I just remember a TH-cam guy who tests Chinese equipment (was maybe a year ago though) and he had problems with L-two.
Daves done you fair and square to be honest.
The is one of the worst shills in the industry
He interviewed me for his channel too!
that was awkward.
DId you name that tire pressure monitoring thing? Thought it was kinda cool, but didn't catch a name?
I should have sent in my Farsports handlebars before I binned them - utter shit!
was that some man love going on at the end.........
Don't see much clunge so far apart from the one in number 10 now
Looks like Carbon. The bike industry cannot have usefull innovation like those hydraulic disconnects. I was wondering if some of the major frame designers were going to introduce a revolutionary wheel size , 26" for gravel racing. you will be lower to the ground and have much better aero.
I though that the thumbnail was an AI generated Hambini giving the finger.
You know AI has trouble with fingers.
Your are reaming Scope hubs but have you ever tryed their wheels ? Because As a bikeshop, I can definitely than the Scope archtech wheels hubs are way more robust than mavic cosmic ultimate for example.
Its a bunch of blunt hating... I dont get it to be honest. Some people don't accept.. that for others product performance trumps safety and reliability..... sure the hubs may not be the safest, but 500g of weight saving comparing to other top range deep wheel sets?. that a hell of a lot in an Ironman distance. And I don't think performance athletes care about bullet proof safety.. But lets call it cycling hipster arrogance... If people buy pure race products and chose to ride them every day its their problem. I know hambini is technicly on point, but the sarcastic know it all arrogance throws me off every time, while I still think he misses the point alot of the time behind some producst
they are junk 🙂
Btw I am about to buy a Time bike but they told me they have no Hambini BB in stock 😢
Get Mr H to give them a nudge, or face a reaming
"Feels agricultural" :D :D :D
Would a NACA spoke actually have a significant impact ?
It is a shame that Interbike (and CABDA) are no more...in the US business to too ignorant to save itself anymore.
That hub could have been CNC machined. Easily.
Jokes on you the spoke ends aren’t round either
I'm only here for Dave😅
Hola Chris! Aloha Dave!
You didn’t visit 9Velo Wheels? If they where there that is…
What are those FarSports handlebars called?
You can't miss them on their website ;)
Was Dave “Gaped” as far as you could tell?
As an exhibition designer. Winspace need a better stand man. That's a poor show for such great products.
3D printing or SLS was developed for rapid prototyping without the need for machining or mould tooling . But it’s fast becoming a marketing managers wet dream. People on the street seem to think it magic or better than a cnc made part , or a part that injection moulded . It’s not in most cases . Saddles custom made that are 3D printed is a benefit , but apart from that it’s just over priced hype
Surprised it’s taken bicycle community nearly 150 yrs to make qd hydraulic lines
3D printed hubs could go under Nostromo name.
Hambini, do you still stand by what you've said about winspace SLC 2.0? I'm just curious because Joe seemed to have distanced himself from the company
I'm about to have my SLC 2.0 completed... After major headaches from winspace. Tbh, if I were you I'd just avoid them at all costs haha plus they're going exclusively to disc so good luck getting replacement parts for anything in the future. Trust me, I got a frame 1.5 months ago and it's still not completed due to customer service and then tech difficulties on my end. The frame is super well built and it's stiff as... No doubt about that so I'll give them credit there. But their new SLC 3.0? Trashhhh, dropped seat stays, who the f**k cares about dropped seat stays on a climbing bike.... Yeah make it "compliant" when you're going 60-70km downhills 😂 absolutely absurd
@@joshuadebelis8478 honestly I already got an slc 2.0 (got the frame for a really good price), built with alu wheels and cockpit, still managed to be 7.5kg.
I'm very satisfied with it but just curious if hambini still stands behind the product.
Hi Josh, just about to build a rim brake kanazawa SLC2.0 with Chorus 12 speed, that I got on July 1st, what were the issues you faced with Winspace? @@joshuadebelis8478
Stay away from farsports carbon spoked wheels the spokes just pull apart. I have two wheels the spokes are a real issue
6:56 what a waste now you have to ditch out your whole Free hub when you broke the ratchet system
True but in terms of cost, a new Dt Swiss 54t ratchet costs the same as one of their freehubs. I have both
@FOTB407 I don't mind because I'm not buying DT swiss but that design just wtf such a waste
Show us some Hambini recommended Aero bits. I wanna make my bike go faster (it's already pretty fast but I want more)
Also show us what Light bicycle is doing these days.
Its called training 😄. You're welcome
Chris miller looked seriously burned out on the convention
I’m only here for the hair dresser.
Just because you CAN 3D print something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
In my opinion I would only qualify if its aerospace grade 3D printing. Pretty penny but the best!
Where is the absolute crap shirt? 😂
You really hate that gcn wont work with you again 😂😂
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With all of these "innovations" in the drive train, I just want one thing to be solved, that is the elimination of the drop chain. It's unbelievable that's still a thing that happens at the highest level every race every year, multiple times, on so-called top "tech", which being maintained by top mechanics. It's a real shame that this is still a thing considering how agricultural the nature of this thing is. We don't see our car or plane dropped a chain that often ain't ya? No matter how companies like L-Twoo or whatever maps their road, if this thing didn't get solved, nah. It's just a shame of the whole cycling industry. Just crashed at 40kph+ because of a dropped chain a month ago, suffered a lot. Ironically what brings me peace is to later what all the videos of pros crashing from the same thing and convincing myself well now you are one more thing similar with the pros! The latest encounter of such thing in the pro peleton is just 2 days ago, at the Stage 5 of this year's TdF when Cavendish got his historical 35th win - just after he made through the finish line and stopped pedaling, that chain dropped! Obviously that day the cycling god is on his side so that all happens after he's done it. This is just so embarasing as a industry. Now knowing even if on a well maintained bike that worth a cheap car, with top "techs", it's still a gamble that there are some not-so-small chances that you'll kiss the ground, just making standing up and do a "sprint" feels so reluctant on me -- well, what for? I just don't trust this thing anymore. How was your engineering view on this stuff?
Its called a 'narrow wide chain ring'. Used in mountain/XC bike drive trains very successfully , for decades. Why roadies dont use it? Not sure, maybe shifting ease or efficiency losses. Check out "berm peak" bike channel for a full demo. easy enough to find.
A bad use of additive manufacturing yet again.
Spitting manufacturing at its best.
_spits_
I love how they look but you can't get accurate shapes necessary for precision components like hubs. Truing those wheels must be a royal pain.
It’s actually not a bad application if done right. Probably could get better strength and lighter weight with generative (topology) design. Could always do some post printing machining for tighter tolerances
@@aidandibenerdini4545you actually can, at aerospace standards, but they went fast and cheap.
@@truantray of course you can but at aerospace prices. I love the look of optimized cad designed objects, I hope Scope can machine the spoke holes better
David Fruitcake Arthur 🎉
Wow! You really have an opinion on everything even if you have no fckn idea about what you are talking about.
Absolute crap not there?
3D printing is a stupid way to produce stuff. Just get the tooling and forge them like a proper company would, CNC machining if you absolutely have to, but that's still the inferior method and much easier for people to imitate.
3D printing also takes a long time, as we all know. I can't see how this is supposed to be beneficial. Stupid marketing trends, there's nothing 3D printing can do that makes a product better.
Agree. 3D printing is good for rapid prototyping, engineering mock-ups etc. Not the best when strength or longevity are priorities. Porosity and stress failures can also be a problem. But hey… it now has the fancy name of “additive manufacturing”. LOL.