LOOK Keo Clipless Pedals - Full Strip Down (not the usual crap)
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- I usually get crap on this show and I personally view the bike industry to be a hive of crap engineering. These pedals are quite good. There is an obvious weakness and my preference towards standard parts always exists but there are a number of people who want low weight and low stack height for which the market is much bigger than a vocal youtuber.
I would recommend these
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For those tuning in for the injury. it was at 2:50
Classic engineer with no practical experience on how to use channel locks without gauging the grip surface. Wrap it in a few layers of black tape before trying to grip it with the plyers
If you enjoy watching a 5 year old hurt himself, I'd say your heart is Absolutely Black.
Everyone has driven a flat head in one time or another...
@@SuperDodoe Half of the pedal has snapped off. That is why they were sent in. What is the point of using tape on scrap?
@@Hambini Ok then tape up your hand before picking up a driver . The point is learning how to use tools and your head instead of the pen is
As soon as the Princess safety blanket is not in use, people get injured!
If you don't want to bother with the special tool just use an old inner tube to avoid marks and for better grip.
FYI, Bernard Hinault was using the first Look pedals in 1985. 😊
Hinault also claims he gave Look engineers the idea for the pedal.
He did. He did cross country skiing in the winter besides cyclo cross and asked them to make a pedal that used that sort of binding to help prevent further injury to his knee he picked up kn 82 /83. Greg lemons smoked Laurent Fignon in 1989 using Time Racing TBT pedals. They were the only real rival to LOOK at the eeeeeeeer ..TIME😂
Greg reckons he’s owed royalties on every pair sold from his lvc deal but never saw anything.
Yes he was. I remember watching a video of him a few years ago. He still rides his old Tour de France bikes, he was getting a chainring on his bike machined or repaired.
Most of us mere mortals who were not wealthy had to wait quite a few more years before they became available to buy without costing an arm and a leg. I got my first paif of the white look pedals in the very, very early 90's. And they were still a fortune back then.
Bernard Hinault first wore them in 1985. Lemond won with them in '86 against Hinault. Lemond used TIME pedals to "munch" Fignon in '89
I’ll stick with my Shimano SPD-SL pedals. They just work and last forever without any need for maintenance.
Same here. Dura Ace, Ultegra, or 105. All great.
The "hammer" is the MOST special of tools.
The special tool has a hammer
Thanks for following through and making this video. Nicely insightful.
Great video, I have these but non-ceramic. My first clipless pedals were the Delta (forget the mode) from circa 1990. They were the tri-color pedals. Anywho, best damn pedal I ever owned. Used them for 20 years but the top plate finally began to wear making the fit a little sloppy. I use Keo now and like them. I've changed the blade to a stronger one (12 Nm) from the factory installed 8. The number indicates the torque required to unclip. I prefer stronger & heavier than weaker & lighter.
SpeedPlay - mount cleat to spindle and pedal mechanism to bottom of shoe. That will make pedal lighter :-)
and the shoe heavier. :(
Hi there ! I use to ride Look Keo Blades but the older version , not the slim carbon spring but the one without screw cup. I like it more because it has 3 bearings, maybe not a difference but …I like it more, and titanium axels of course. About bearings replacements in second hand selling pages are lot of broken crash pedals. You can check wearing of the pedals looking at the engraving look at the plate that goes disappearing with the use. 20 euro used to be price for full spare parts for the pedals…
I like this Keo blades, but no ceramic expensive and with no profit for me.
Needle bearings can easily put out with an 8 mm hexagonal key.
Nice video, thank you
You could actually increase the spring tension by putting a few shims under one end of the carbon leaf spring.
I have a pair of these and had to RMA them twice because the bearings felt like they were assembled under the Seine. the third pair did come good. They are the titanium axle version though. My older keos have never bothered me at all in their years of service.
I like the serious review of a quality pedal product after the last one - i feel like the pen is trying to tell us something 😂
I used to have LOOK with carbon spring. They worked well, but I had a hard time unclipping them. Got rid of those. Now I'm using Look KEO2MAX Carbon on both of my bikes. I serviced them several times and even broke one of the plastic nuts. Made aluminum ones instead and installed them. Work perfectly!
The bearings are exactly the same size as in this video. The bearings are exactly the same size as in this video. And honestly, I don't think they will last any less than the carbon body of the pedals. I noticed severe wear on the pedal body where the clip goes. Both on the body itself and on the backside part (the one that moves when you clip in and unclip)
I've always found at each level/price point, LOOK are the "better" constructed and longer lasting pedal, if you can get on with, or are indifferent to the KEO system they are the better option IMO (between them and Shimano).
The KEO compatible Exustar pedals are pretty good too, their E-PR1's are like the road pedal equivalent of the bombproof Shimano M520's, Cheap as chips, and don't look anything special, but they just take the abuse and keep spinning.
I've been using my Exustar pedals for 4 years now hahaha. They're so cheap and so reliable.
Gotta ask, who looks at their pedals while riding?
@Hambini loved what you did there at 7:58
Regarding the special tool to get the axel out, I just use one of those work out bands to get a good grip around the axel and then twist it out.
Got 5 sets of these in current use, never had any bearing issues with them. The main problem with these pedals is the plastic rear clip deforming where the cleat pushes it open reaulting in excess float, which might be why they stopped supplying 16nm springs
I wasn't prepared for the opening 😂
Me neither, I tunred down the sound for a few seonds and then still got hit with it.
I like how you popped champagne to drink w your review
Hey Hambini - what I really want to know is how you got the interference fit ring and bearing off the axle?
@HAMBINI good sir , Lemond creamed Fignon on TIME pedals(Lemond also used Time Shoes) in 1989.
It was the Badger who used Look pedals first in TDF a few years earlier.
Do Look Keo cleats still squeak like hell? Always found the bearings developed play after not much usage.
I have never tried Look pedals, instead going from Shimano to Time. I loved Time pedals and rode a pair of their MTB pedals for over twenty years, until they finally needed a bearing replaced. When I contacted Time, they had already sold the pedal business to SRAM. You can imagine the response I got when I spoke to SRAM. I remember well what SRAM was like when I had to work on the rubbish as a mechanic in a bike shop in Bath in the 90s and then recently had to try to fix a derailleur for a friend with a SRAM equipped bike. So I now run Crank Bros. If you want a battered set of twenty year old Time MTB pedals to pull apart and ream, I still have them somewhere. Thanks for another interesting video, as controversial as you can occasionally be, I always find your films to be informative and fun.
This is my 8 year old's favorite engineering channel. He thinks you brits have some funny words.
I used a pair of the first white look pedals in the very , very early 90's. They were my first clipless. Back then it was either Look or Time that you had. Time was more expensive so most of us went with the look design. TIme had the yaw movement and was supposed to be better on your knee's.I then moved over to speedplay and then shimano MTB SPD's. Been on MTB SPD's for 30 years now. MTB SPD's in MTB SIDI's but i ride road, so i walk on them - and, yes, defend myself better in case of agression. It was a fight in the plastic reverse high heels tha ti lost that i should have won that made me change.Speedplay is very slippery indeed. It will come as a shock to most when they first use Speedplay. It is like walking on ice. Just take a bit of time to get used to.
Had look deltas from 1996 to 2009, preferred them, had two pairs of keos since 2009, yep they get play, i just pack the axle area with grease.
How did you get the bearing off? Did you press on the plastic piece/sleeve? Is that not going to break the plastic?
I have a Look Pedal in- Crank Brothers-Design. Rode it for a lot of years, last winter axel broke in a sprint, luckily I didn’t crashed. Could send them over for a review.
I used to ride Look pedals. Recurrent squeaking from the pedal/cleat interface and clicking from the pedal were both reasons I changed to Shimano SPD-SL.
I switched to Speed Play from Look b/c of the squeaking of the Look Delta cleats. Otherwise would have stuck with them as they did operate well. That said, I like the float of the Speed Play standard model.
@@mattkavanaugh5623Experienced the speedplay rock yet? Speedplays are great for few thousand before the pedal body wears and you start rocking...
I haven’t had that issue. No rocking that I’ve noticed. Riding them on my two road bikes for 15+ years. Have replaced cleats a few times of course.
That was also one of the resons i changed over. I went to MTB DPS with MTB shoes on a road bike so i could walk.
Another classic eargasm intro.
I really love the Blade pedals. I can't seem to get good life out of the carbon blades as springs though. They wear out, and are sorta expensive to replace. I've switched back to the cheaper spring ones, which I really hate myself for, but I just can't keep paying for the carbon spring consumable. Sidenote - I have shimano in trial now and am very happy with them, may switch.
Look started with ski bindings and had cornered that market world-wide.
As to the tool, there's one available, so you don't need to use water pump pilers...but it is pricey.
Hey Hambini, any update on the bike lubing video?
I use look Keo cleats on Wellgo pedals also (Xpedo)... prefer the fixing bolt on the outside of the pedal.
Have broken many Look pedal bodies as the plastic just cracks.
Greg Lemond used Look pedals in 1986 when he rode for La Vie Clair, but in 1989, when he beat Fignon, he was on Time pedals.
Greg Lemond*
@@einundsiebenziger5488 oops! My bad!
Haven’t read all of the comments given so many so please excuse if a repeat. The ca🎉hon spring comes in three stiffnesses - 12, 16 and 20nm. The box our ceramic bearing pedals came with 12 and 16 along with a pin to make reinserting the bolt simpler. 20nm spring is allegedly for track.
We have several sets of blade pedals and only broke springs on the first version where the blade was outboard and broke (2x) as a result of a crash. Look rep provided replacement springs for free.
For the non ceramic pedals when they were bought you would buy the nm you wanted. In our case 16nm.
are the injection molding tolerances high for something like this? It seems like that side bearing pressed into plastic with the tang would have potential to misalign or warp
i'm currently using wahoo pedals and they are not so god and not so bad. I want to switch into a model with the powermeter, has anyone the assioma-shi model? i'm interested but i've some doubts since i want a pedal with almost no lateral play (in the past the best so far i used were the keywin). Can anyone clarify how they are from a point of lateral free play? are the 0° cleats really effective?
I did overhaul a set of these once. No dramas but I had issues trying to find replacement bearings. (eventually got onto a miniature bearing company overseas but I only got the bearings because he had a few spares left in a drawer which he sent me free of charge. They were all steel bearings not ceramic. I think they were the company that originally supplied Look).
Any ideas of where I can purchase these non std. bearings now?
I am not even sure if look will supply replacement bearings?
The cursing at 2:53 I hope your hand is okay Hambini
The lack of a stepped shoulder for the bearing or a groove for a circlip is to eliminate stress risers and broken axles. Which has plagued older Look gen 2.0 pedals. That needle bearing appears to be serviceable ie can be lubricated. The Speedplay cleat is problematic but the system is the best. Remember that Contador was sponsored by Look but rode Speedplay.
Different springs for that pedal are available with different tensions from Look. I believe they have three different ones available.
I still use old Look Delta pedals. Those have a c-clip to hold the bearing (a 6800) in place. Dunno why they changed it.
So these pedals are great for going backwards right?
I’ve had Look Keo Carbon blades for quite a few years and twice a carbon blade has failed on me. They both fractured half way along and the two pieces dropped out. A bit of a show stopper if you’re a long way from home as you can’t clip in. It could be a long one footed pedal home.
You know a customer of my company had one pedal brake, I don't know what brand, hit with his foot the street, got catapulted over the bike, broke both wrists, than some car hit him, his back broken....they could fix him, forever in hospital, he is now 0.5-1 inch shorter than before but OK. All because the pedal broke
It was just the blade that broke on mine, the pedal itself was intact. Both happened when clipping in. The result was that I simply couldn’t clip in, just kind of rest my foot on the axle.
Ha ha, that is Paul, good work! ❤❤😮😅
Recently Look has done the trick whereby if you want the 12nm tension, you have to opt for the ceramic bearings. I would prefer that they offer the 12nm on the non-ceramic, but hey that's life.
Wherever is the princess blanket?
Speedplay is fully compatible with the three hole bolt system.
Hi Hambini, I just replace Look pedal bearings with standard sized bearings of a slightly narrower width, the collar just slides on a bit further. I’ve fixed dozens for myself, family and friends and never had any comebacks. Would you consider this bad practice?
I would guess the locknut would not screw in as far ie by 1mm.
@@Hambini That is not the case, everything tightens up fine. No play laterally in the pedal and you would never know any difference. Give it a go. Cheers, Dave. 😀
Can you share how you remove the bearing and collar? I’ve tried a socket + vice, but nothing moved at all significant force applied. Thanks
@@MarcioSa12 it's available on patreon
Hi Hambini, have you ever tested the Columbus Minimal full carbon fork. Its made in China. Would appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. God bless.
I want to know what they’re made of
Axles 25CrMo4 ?
You complete git, I turned the volume back up and the delay got me.
Me using a humble pair of mtb SPD pedals from 2018 watching this video like I know better 😅.
needle bearings will generate a lot of axial force when misaligned
I get the bearing and it's cover off using a long reach hex socket. Stand the socket upright with the hex on top. Clamped in vice would be better, but I don't have one. Insert the axle thread. It should seat on the widest part of the axle (just above the threads). Then tap the top of the axle with a mallet, or hammer. Not my idea. Saw it online somewhere.
Should add this was for older Keo blade pedals. Not sure if it would work for the more recent model Hambini has, with that plastic cover.
... its* cover (it's = it is)
Could you make a tool by notching out a PVC pipe in order to remove the bearing cover (or whatever its called)? It's so frustrating how difficult LOOK makes it for people to service their own pedals. Their new power meter pedals look great, but I contacted LOOK to inquire about about a rebuild kit and they said I'd have to send it in if it needed maintenance. Not for me, unless you can show everyone how you removed that bearing, and put a new one on
So it’s a waste to pay for ceramic bearing. Is it why they don’t put ceramic bearing on the titanium model?
They used to offer one or the other. Looks like the new lineup has titanium ceramic now
what about the Look P24 bike?
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Look keo pedals develop a lot of play. Bearings last around 1000 KMS before they develop play. I personally prefer Shimano because they are reliable and I prefer the fact that they don't spin so freely making easier for you to clip in
You can always look at Look. But you can't Shimano at Shimano!😂
The look pedals are certainly simple and reliable, but I had to move to Speedplay to help my knees and they feel so much better. Clipping in is easier, the float feels great. I love the feel of them.
However, they are over engineered and expensive.
Worst pedal system out there. With a good bike fit and proper adjustment, Look and Shimano offer more than enough adjustment. Speedplay is just a complicated, unstable system that wears out quickly
@@MS-bw7yt Wrong. My knee and foot changes position through the stroke due to biological factors, nothing to do with my professional bike fit. All the other pedal systems have center cantering float and less of it, Speedplay has 15degs free float with no bias towards center. Much better for specific people.
The pedal system itself is durable and very very easy to clip in and out. It’s a perfectly good system and has lasted me years and years. Also icing on the cake is they look cool.
I regret getting rid of my Delta pedals.
SRAM owns TIME but only the pedals. I figured they bought them to make a power meter pedal but its been years and they haven't done much of anything together.
they might have learned from wahoo/speedplay and they are released when they are ready
@helmutkok7833 sure, but it's taking a very long time to get ready. They're gonna lose the market since they're unlikely to be a bargain power meter like Favero.
I love my speed play but I have these on Another bike. They're top value.
Familiar with the "speedplay rock" yet?
Greg LeMond the first to use clipless in '89?? No no no...that was the clip on aerobar. The first clipless pedals was the white PP65 as used by Bernard Hinault in '85. The year after came gen.2 - the black PP75, used by Greg LeMond , all the while Hinault coninued to ride PP65 in '86, the year that became his last as a pro.
the ridiculously tight fit is to keep the pedal from falling off the axle
If ceramic is your thing, STP makes Ceramic Oil additive for your chain!😅😅
Handsome man with the number of a great hairdresser 😂
la vie claire was on looks from the beginning of looks
why do they put that in? well of course to prevent you from replacing the bearings yourself so you have to buy a new pedal everytime the bearings mess up!
spd sl are way better in my opinion for the quality of the pedals and the cleats
The injection molded body will probably wear out from the cleat before the bearings need service. These would be high performance throw aways. For those desiring longevity there's Shimano of Malaysia with aluminum pedal bodies and easy servicing. Reginald will cover this one for sure with the official Look spanner. He'll never use the spanner again and almost nobody will see his video.
I find the Keo cleats last longer than Shimano spd-sl
i switch from spd-sl to regular spd and i will never go back to spd-sl because i walk like a normal person
where is the Princess blanket?
It has been 'rescued' by the Green Berets. It was one tough operation. Hambini had a tight grip!
Controversial Cyclist reamed Hambini today. Never thought that would happen.
Next up: Hambini on thr "speedplay rock"? E.g. Speedplay bodies wearing after a couple thousand..
it was not Greg Lemond, it was Bernhard Hinault who was the first pro to wear them
...and of course, back then it was the "original" (1.generation) Look system, not Look Keo...
BH was the first to win in them. BH and GL were members of the same team back then, the team and Look were owned by the same person, so the whole team was obligated to use Look pedals. Lemond came in 3rd in 1984, second in 1985 and won in 1986 - all in Look pedals.
But they have play and they creak 😮
Speedplay has 3 bearings and roller bearing sits closer to thread than shown
Mate the Keos are so old now they are on keo classics. The deltas went out with the ice age😂😂 Reginald & me getting nightmares using what likes an adjustable pilers as a hammer on ➕ head screw driver 😱🫡
Liz Hurley is old. but she is hot!
@@Hambini I suppose she a life time of experience as well. If it ain't broke 👍🤣
Well as Reg says when it comes to Titanium frames and high end bearings they like a bit of rough with a hammer and chisel
Look Delta had a comeback as Peleton (the fancy stationary bike) pedals and cleats.
I miss frogs.
Requisite, if you really want a durable pedal system, go with SPDs comment.
Realtalk, I ride SPDs cause I really like being able to walk around in my cycling shoes. I also get stylish options like SPD Chelsea boots and SPD sandals. If you ain't the best dressed dude on the road, what's even the point?
I just want to say that you need some moisturize cream on yours hands.... lol
I use absolute black graphenlube. Made by Marcin golec in Milton Keynes.
simplicity itself (wallops repeatedly with hammer) ...
Why don't you test a pair of Speedplay Nano (you look like you weigh less than 82 kg).
Greg Lemond rode Time pedals and shoes🤓
He also rode in Brancales in 86 I think and in the early 90s Carnac
In 1989 when he won the Tour de France a second time, yes. From 1984 to 1986 as a member of the la Vie Claire team, which was owned by Bernard Tapis, the same person who owned Look, so he used Look pedals on his bike as did his team Captain Bernhard Hinault. BH was the first rider to win the Tour with Look pedals in 1985, GL won a year later, also with Look.
'Ol Reg, the youtuber whose bike is always carrying a tool, whether he packs any or not, must be on another subscriber drive as he is promising a "big conspiracy theory coming that involves Hambini and a certain Chinese manufacturer, and this conspiracy theory is BIG. Like it's REALLY big" 🍿😂
Is it better that when he said he could weld steel which melts at 1300c and aluminium which melts at 650c together?
@@HambiniI welded brass and steel together, they both melted 🤷♂️ GeeJay @ age 10 - lesson learnt
No Princess blanket 👸 - unsubscribed. Everybody knows the rules.
11:02 Why? To make people a hardtime to replace the bearing, it is. 😑😑😑😑😑 To have a non-standard size bearing would make life hard enough, then make it more hard to remove !!!.
Stopped using look pedals the wear was rubbish use speed play much better
It's like listening to a 5 year old trying to explain why they've broken their bike......🎉
This dude should work for Boeing.........
316 or 304
buttery soft
screw drivers can be dangerous
Look at those lovely brown fingers!!