Is the New Jace Breaking Modern!?!?!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- Four mana Jace is out, two mana Jace is in!
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Unfortunately if you copy Prismatic Ending (e.g. with Jace), the copy can only exile something with mana value zero, because no colors of mana were spent to cast the copy. LSV didn't seem to realize this, but notice how the second Amulet doesn't go away at 1:02:20.
Very cool deck though and awesome video! 🙂
I can only imagine the guy going:
"Ok, just counter this with my free plotted counterspell"
"oh, this mechanic sucks"
Plot is pretty good for precisely slickshot show-off
@@Drakshlit's fun in limited, and the coyote is actually decent.
@@Drakshlnaw that mechanic is just really strong.
@@dougisacat that was kind of the impression I got but I've seen people have mixed thoughts.
Slickshot itself seems to have inspired people to try a broader variety of red + x heroic/spellslinger style decks at least in explorer.
You can only cast plotted cards as a sorcery, so...
38:52 is when it happens for those wondering
Keep it up! We need all the modern and legacy videos!
Jace looked like the worst card
Ancestral MVP
Dreadhorde Arcanist and Finale of Promise just feel kind of better, both with Visions and as standalone cards. They don't slot into control, but draw that is so easily anticipated seems pretty weak in Bowmasters.meta
Blue white control, love it
Ancestral Vision is really like an ancestral recall if you think about it
Interesting deck. Is Jace and Ancestral Vision better than just playing 4 The One Ring? Well, probably not but it's cooler that's for sure :D
Opp in M2G2 really threaded the needle in an impressive way
I don't really understand not wanting to board in Stern Scolding vs UR Murktide when you're on the draw. I feel like the way you lose that matchup is to early DRC and Ragavan.
copying p-ending didnt really work because you didnt spend mana for the second one? so you get only cmc-0 spells
edit seems lke p-ending is bugged on mtgo
Looking like the new Jace was the worst card in the deck. I'm not impressed, at least in this shell. Not near consistent enough.
It ramps you for 6 mana turn 4…also let’s you protect cards from discard and also make them strong against counter fights.
It also can loot, it only plus and has a strong ultimate…
It also let you cast suspended cards for free…
Immagine him with talking turns card like “savor the moment” or restore balance.
Great card
It won lsv the game against murktide!
@@fclmfan1 Ancestral Visions won him the game against Murktide that he suspended. He actually never even cast Jace in either game he won against Murktide.
It won the game because the opponent plotted their own Counterspell, so there was upside in having it in the deck and giving your opponent the chance to cast it and make that awful misplay 😄
Glory, glory to the Azorius.
Maybe shadeless is worth it here. Not comboing but sometimes flopping a Jace or an ancestral is just solid.
Haha the dirty Murktide player plotting a counterspell was **chef's kiss**
What's dirty about playing Murktide? It's like the fairest deck in the format lol
@@Vermilio893 I smell a Murktide player... XD
@@jstuckless Nope, I tend to be more on the UW side of things :P but I don't mind playing against murktide, much rather that than living end or goryo's nonsense
@@Vermilio893 haha just busting your balls, and that's mostly what I was doing to the Murktide players too. I'm just tired of it being a staple of the format for so long. It's basically a gatekeeper deck, if your deck can't beat murktide why are you playing modern kinda thing.
Murktide is probably the worst it's ever been. It's bad against all the top decks.
Game 2 against pie gonti you could've also suspended at instant speed thanks to Teferi. I forget the ruling but you're allowed to suspend at instant speed if you have an ability that makes sorceries be casted at insant speed
It's from the Suspend rules themselves.
The rule is that you can suspend "any time you could play this spell", and not "any time you could cast a Sorcery" which is why Teferi + Suspend works but Teferi + Plot doesn't.
This is incorrect. Suspending a card is not casting it.T3feri only allows you to "CAST" sorceries at instant speed. Suspend rules States "Exiling a card with its suspend ability is not casting that card. This action doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to."
we need to see LSV play more UW Control!!!!!!
Do you think crashing footfalls would be a good enough card to splash?
might as well just run an aggro/tempo build with Finale of Promise and Dreadhorde Arc or even Cascade at that point. Two 4/4s that can't attack until T6 isn't good, even in control. Verdict makes it even worse.
@KungFuIsland I'm thinking add in line of anticipation so that you can cast Jace earlier than turn 4, but even so, wouldn't the 2 4/4s give an extra line of attack in an archetype that usually doesn't have creatures? Maybe not in the mainboard, but a neat sideboard swap?
i feel like this deck wants more white cards for pitch cast solitude, or another sublety
Esper splash for valki combo why not lsv 😉 much not too much strain on the mana.
What is minamo for in this deck?
Untap geier reach is pretty much the only target since I have never seen a tapped kaheera. I suppose it is a left over from when the deck had the one ring, just went under the radar?
Huh new Jace. Let's see how it works
I love visions. The good old days with K commands and snap caster mage. Oh! Cryptic command. Mmmmm
@@benlittle5543 I was wondering why no snap casters in this uw shell, do you think it can work ? Jace + ancest visions + snappy ?
As a heads up. You can suspend at instant speed after Teferi +1
I think this deck could use 1 mystic gate.
The new Jace actually makes me wonder if it might be decent in something like a blue black living end, or a reanimator style deck. Basically, because you can't cast it it's skipped over, but being able to set it up to just plot a Living end is decent enough with some good creatures.
I'm pretty sure that's not how cascade works. Cascade states to exile cards until you reveal a card with lesser mana value. It doesn't get skipped you just hit the Jace and are unable to cast it.
@lngun I'm aware, my point however, is that it could be run without needing to worry about it being cascaded into until turn four and even then you could use its ability to plot the Living End from hand if you already drew a copy. Basically it would allow for a bit of a backup plan if needed for the deck. Remember the cards still go back on the bottom of the deck
Interesting so the cascade just bottoms the jace? Didn't know that's how the interaction worked.
@@mageius The issue is then the Living End player would probably be dead at that point. Livind End does not play interaction, so if they have to wait until earliest turn 4 to cast Jace and then plot living end and then wait to turn 5 to finally cast the living end they are probably dead. I can also see a Living End player staring down lethal on the board to Ardent Plea cascading to hit Living End only to hit Jace and instantly scoop. Cascade is at it's strongest when it know exactly what it is going to hit off of cascading. You don't want to gamble off of hitting a card you can't cast turn 3 or does nothing.
@iinsomniaaaaa Says may cast it but Jace can't be cast. Although honestly I'm not sure come up but either way the exiled cards are put on the bottom of the library after the ability resolves.
Wait for savor the moment-jace-as foretold combos
Why is there a Minamo in the deck? Just to make your opponents think you have One Ring?
Geier Reach Sanitarium
He mentioned the original list didn't play Ancestral so there's a high chance he left it over from when it played Ring.
Even if you want an untapped blue source and don't care about your basic land count, it's so much worse than Oboro.
Minamo combos with Kaheera, nice
I seen a guy cheating valki out with the new jace it was pretty ggod vs me. in timeless on arena.
If you cast jace you get to cast ancestral vision for free on turn 5!
Me, reading the text of ancestral vision 🤔👀
Joy, yet another way to abuse mana costs. Pretty sure this is gonna be just like the Cascade into Tibalt crap, already seeing it happening on Arena where you're getting a 7 mana spell for free.
Edit to add* You could even get it early with something like Restoration of Eiganjo into discard jace and plot. Not sure how consist it would be but there's gotta be a bunch of ways around the can't cast cause to get an early free win
Restoration is still turn 4 Jace.
I love the thumbnail for this vid bc it implies to me that there was a day where LSV had to do a "shocked reaction" photoshoot. On a hard drive somewhere there exists a bunch of pictures of LSV just looking like :O
"New T4 Jace can cheat out suspend spells on T4, without the restrictions of Cascade!"
*Dreadhorde Arcanist, Finale of Promise, and Electrodominance exist*
That aside, running two cards that are dead before at least T4 seems not very good with the speed of Modern and Bowmasters all over the place. Also the anti-synergy with the Evoke elementals, counterspells, and Omens is not great. Seems like a Restore Balance build might be the way to go with 2Jace, but even then everything just feels too slow.
Agreed.
Ancestral Vision looking really strong in modern. The new Jace looked okay here, but AV is OP
12white cards with 4 solitudes sees ambitious
See the truth is actually draws you as many cards as ancestral but doesn't trigger orcish bowmasters and is less dead in your hand
this build seems extremely sussssssssssss
it's trying to do too many things without doing any one of them particularly well.
Minamo
plotting counterspell is a choice.
I mean just imagine how vastly superior a deck is with 4 rings then this jace/ancestral/days undoig gimick nonsense. There is like reason you would run ever less then 4 teferi 4 ring and skip the entire cute stuff.
Jace is a horrible card in Modern. Due to the card having Serra Avenger clause makes it a horrible card in modern. Being unable to cast the card until turn 4 at the earliest is horrible. Being unable to cast the plotted card until your next turn at sorcery speed is horrible. Modern is far to fast for this card. Jace will probably have a home in Pioneer where it is lower powered and can wait until turn 4 to Jace and plot away Valki. In modern though this card is bad at best and horrible at worst.
Leyline anticipation, idk how the deck would actually play but that gets around the sorcery speed and you can play jace on oppents t2
Interesting theory. Did you watch the video?
@@LunaLasceria yeah, i'm just spitballin ideas
@@chadcload1349 Not you lol, I was (possibly too subtly) mocking OP.
@@LunaLasceria lol
3 mana draw 3 wouldn't be good enough for modern wtf? Show me a 3 mana draw three card with no drawbacks
Lol yeah a castable 3 mana draw 3 no drawbacks would instantly break Modern, Legacy and Vintage.
had it the whole way match 2