The Vaquero at half the price (buying one as a leftover) of the other bikes was a no brainer for me. I sat on almost all those and the fairing rolled right into the lowers and it looked so much more “finished “. Throw on a nice seat and taller windshield and comfort is great. You can do just slip ons since the cat is in the stock slip ons. The throttle by wire lag can be fixed with a throttle mod. Dollar for dollar it’s the Vaquero. Unless you want to visit the repair shop a lot. Then it’s HD lol
In Canada the Vaquero is $18,000 out the door. The Harley street glide and road glide are $28,000 out the door. The BMW is over $32,000 out the door. The Eluder is $29,000 out the door. The Vaquero is $10,000 or more cheaper then all the other bikes. That’s not even in the same league. The other bikes have better build quality and more toys because they cost $10,000 more then the Vaquero. The Vaquero has adjustable suspension, linked ABS, cruise control, stereo, and everything else you need at a best bang for the buck price. Hard to beat it for the money. My 2014 Nomad 1700 has the same motor and tranny as the Vaquero and I have 164,000km on it so far with no problems. You won’t be able to say that about some of the other bikes in this test. Ride safe.
You can find the Vaquero for $10k brand new. Thats a winner in my book. Ivans Flash Tune really wakes it up as well AND you dont need valve checks on it.
Harley, Indian and Yamaha all use hydraulic lifters as well so no valve adjustments there either. Not sure about the Guzzi, but they have a reputation for being reliable and easy to maintain. That 1600cc 6 cylinder in the BMW is legendarily expensive to maintain, almost as bad as Ducati maintenance costs.
Putting the kawi in this list is kinda funny. You can easily buy 2 for the others. Ya it has not quite the fit and finish and use hard touch plastic but it cost less and that factor was not even mentioned. As said getting an Ivan tune some pipes and maybe an intake and you have a bike with around 90hp and well over 100ftlbs.
Brand new Vaquero is NOT 10k, in US its $17 k and in Canada just under $20 k. Ide gladly spend the extra $8 k and will on the Indian or HD. U get what U pay for. Ride what U like, just ride and ride safe.
I pick the Vaquero as the winner. Why the Vaquero? 1. Price 2. Water cooled 3. Technology ahead of Harley and Indian 4. Cheap to upgrade. 5. $350 ECU flash by Ivan in NY. 6. Extended warranty only 700 bucks for six years 7. Looks as good as any of the others 8. My money is on the Kawasaki.
It is your winner. Nobody picked it. These guys put hard miles on these bikes. They rotated bikes and they all came to their own conclusions. IMO these were not bagger guys. You can just tell by looking at them. I would like to see this test with real bikers.
DUDE!!!! I COMPLETELY agree with you on all 8 points! ESPECIALLY the first 3! K-ACT is great!!! AND water cooling! AND I'd add: cruise control even at that price point and Kawi's reputation for EXTREME reliability. My money is also on the Kawasaki!
@@davideldredge1335 how do you like it? I test rode one but the locks didn't work and a plastic piece in the center console broke off :( the bags seemed pretty small and with side openings, it did't seem like it would carry a lot of things(ie cold weather/rain gear)
Took me minute to ponder the absence of the Honda F6b 1800 but then it dawned on me, this was a battle of 2nd best bagger, it was already assumed the F6B was the undisputed king. Well done, had me wondering for a sec.
Where's the Gold Wing if you're going to do a ride review do it with all the best bikes don't leave one out a great one... you do it every time because you want the Harley and be on top so you leave out the Goldwing
The Vaquero is a great motorcycle. I'm surprised it isn't so popular. I like the aesthetics of it over the 2 HDs; no, I'm not trying to start a war, but the 2 HDs seemed small to me (I like all HDs, by the way). Also the Vaquero will wake up when you throw some AF into it. Such a pity to not see Kawa's former ingenious 2053cc V-Twin engine in the Vaquero. The Eluder? It's really growing on me. Indian really raising the bar, very glad for them.
love my Vaquero. I have Harley, Goldwing, Yamaha roadstar but the vaquero is fun fun fun I ride solo. Don't know what these guys are talking about. I rode a Indian chieftain okay if you're willing to pay 25k plus. As long as you're on 2 wheels and enjoy it, that's what you should go for.
@@mytriton54 Unfortunately the tight emission regulations in the US and Europe have made it very difficult to bring back the 2053c beast. I'm afraid the 2053cc engine (or Kawasaki VN2000) will never come back, which makes me shed a tear as it's one of the best engines ever built on a motorcycle.
Most uninformative comparison I've seen. Almost everyone had conclusive decision. They were saying idiotic things like if I was going to buy one it would be this but if I wanted one to put miles on it would be this. What don't you so called experts get? When we watch a review we want to see acceleration tests, we want to know how each one handles, we want to know how their brakes are. Being that they are baggers we want to know about storage and comfort and we want reasons for your opinions. To be honest all these manufacturers are stupid for letting you take these bikes because you're really not doing anything but going for a ride because as far as a comparison goes after watching this I still have no idea which is the better bike. Thanks for waisting 16 minutes.
I'm a sorta old dude. I started riding in the dirt in 1969. Never been without a bike since. All kinds of bikes-loved and hated every one of them. Bagger versitility is the closest I've come to satisfaction. My bike is a 1998 Honda Valk bagger. 1520cc Power: 100.00 HP(@ 6000 RPM) Torque: 95.9 ft.lbs(@ 5000 RPM). Six cylinders, six carbs, six into six exhaust. Big? Yup. Heavy? Yup. Unsophisticated by today's standards? Yup. But it's got soul, it's a beast and a blast to ride. I'd change the pegs to be higher and further back, I'd change the seat height up by 2", I'd have a bigger tank for better range, I'd get rid of all that rusty chrome and powder coat , anodize, and stainless EVERYTHING I could black, and I'd add a sixth gear. Other than that Brunhilde is perfect. I find the new bikes competent but a bit vanilla...
@@ivancardenas2860 if the 6 cylinder BMW K1600B is a bagger, than the Honda Goldwing flat 6 is too. They also have a bagger version of the full dresser.
@@ivancardenas2860 Goldwing F6B pre 2018 is indeed a bagger and a GREAT one at that, and the Goldwing Standard (non-tour) 2018+ is also a bagger and also a GREAT one at that..Check them out. :)
@@jsflagstad my father has taken his f6b from CT to Cali and back 2x and I do all of his maintenance. Even with 80k miles now I'd choose it over a brand new road glide
I absolutely love the looks and ride of the K1600 B and own a H-D Street Glide BUT @longhaulpaul got 100,000 miles plus on the Yamaha Star Venture. (Eluder) and didn't get valves checked until like 50k miles, which were fine and needed no adjustments and had zero issues with the mc for 100k. In my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't a touring bike out there besides the Honda Goldwing, that'll give you that comfort and peace of mind for long distance "Touring". If you haven't already, check his 100,000 vid out. Bike still sounds brand new after 100k. Wow!!
I find it strange you didn`t discuss purchase price. Kawai does what the other bikes do for 8-10k less. You said yourself, Kawi has good power, better ride with more travel than the Harleys. 10K less than the Harleys. Liquid cooled .4 valves/cylinder. Great warranty. The resale thing does not hold water. I have been pricing new and used Harleys for the past 30 years. You lose just as much at resale as with metrics. New The Kawi will be worth 5k lless after purchase and so will the Harleys, maybe even more.
the Kawai is 10K less, and feels like it's 15K less is the problem. The hole bike is cheap plastics with awful fit and finish. If it was 5K less, and felt close to the others, it woulda been a huge deal. And if you think the resale value on Harley/Indian is the same as Japanese bikes, you're a special kind of stupid.
@@HumbertoYi0878 The whole business about Harleys holding their value is bullshit. It's just something else that the Harley clones tell themselves to justify their purchase of an underpowered , poorly engineered, unreliable piece of Milwaukee junk. Don't believe it? It's easy enough to research.
Kurt that Kawai is a great bike for the price but its not 10k less. That would make it a 10 to 12k bike. You can get into a Street Glide for about 21k.
What's going on with the camper at 9:12? It's too short of an overhang to be a 5th wheel, but it doesn't look like a bumper-pull either. What would you do with a little bitty overhang like that? Not bashing, I've just never seen one like that before.
I know it’s not a full on touring bike but I have put so many miles on Kawasaki’s Concourse and I just love these bikes. My first one was the first year 1986. I bought it used (1992) with 8200 miles on it. When I sold it, it had 378,788 miles on it and the guy rode off on it. The things I had to do to it were. I replaced the timing chain once and the tensioner. Two times I thought the clutch was going bad and both times it was this star shaped washer. Oneof the fingers on the sringsteel washer breaks off and the clutch will slip every once and a while. The first time I bought the friction rings and the steel plates and made a tool to hold the flywheel from turning. When I got the clutch apart everything was in good shape so I replaced the old parts with the new parts and put the old parts in a plastic bag with some oil and kept them. That was at about 140K. The next time was at 295K I took the clutch apart and it was that washer again. So for shits and giggles I checked the thickness of a new friction plate and it was 0.217 then the old plates and they were 0.217. That shocked me I checked all of my old plates and one was 0.215 and one was 0. 214. I had to replace one relay for the lights and then brake pads and oil and filters adjust valves and tires. I sold it in 2008 a bought a 2005 Concourse with 8700 miles on it. That bike had been sitting for a year or two so I took it for a test ride and could tell the carbs needed to be cleaned out. I trailered it home. I live up in the mountains of California in a small town called Twain Harte about 16 straight north of Yosemite. I was working at Gallo as a maintains mechanic on the swing shift. So my bikes get a work out running from 4500 feet above sea level to under 100 feet. The first bike I rode much harder hitting 100 plus almost every day riding to and from work. The 2005 bike I rode a little less aggressively may be 85 to 90 most times and once in a while 100 or more mph. I am 69 years old now and have slowed it down on the street and keep the faster stuff for my RX7 and the race track. So the 2005 bike I have 55 k on it now. I had to change some O-ring’s because of coolant leaking and I had a radiator hose pop off and had to fix that on the side of the road once. I pulled the carbs out and cleaned the pilot jest and was good to go. Other than that Oil changes, plugs, set the valves, one set of brake pads and tires. And one windscreen (Dam Owl) that’s it. I have taken me bikes camping and it held all that I needed to camp for two or three days. They get around 42 mpg if you ride like a sane man and I have gotten 50 mpg once trying very hard riding like my grandma. I got 37 mpg riding like an insane man like a stupid kid. I love these bike because they ride great they handle good (not like a sports bike) and best of all both of these bikes I picked up for $3500 each. So till me were else you can get a bike that has all that and can get hundreds of thousands of reliable miles for so little.
Wow, you guys.... This... Video review thing... You're leaving a lot to be desired. Presentation of neither the bikes nor the testers was present, in no form or way were there any sort of systematic breakdown of neither models nor opinions of the reviewers, bunch of random shots and a "okay that's day one complete!" thrown in somewhere - with a terrible summary situation at the end of the video..... You've got to rethink this TH-cam-thing, maybe hire someone who understands the format.... Just a tip....
Agreed - they didn't even introduce which models they were reviewing. The beginning of the video "we've made it to the dam dam and that's it for day one."
"... no systematic breakdown...of [the] opinions of the reviewers..." I was thinking it may have been only me who felt like that. I completely agree with you.
Thanks for the video. I see a lot of comments asking for the Goldwing. It would make sense to have it here. My 2015 F6b sits next to my 02 Harley Night Train in the garage. I bought the F6b after testing the Road and Street Glides, for much less $ than the HDs. Pros: cost, motor performance and reliability, baggae space, handling. Cons: super windy, so much plastic, cheap paint, horrible comfort on long distances causing more pain than my NT ever has, jerky shaft drive, no infotainment, no 6th gear. Looking to trade it in. Indian and Harley are at the top of my list, and now I’ll have a look at the Yamaha.
Absolutely NO QUESTION if I liked the video, this is awesome... I am in the market for three of the bikes you guys rode... BMW K16B Road Glide Star Eluder NOW...number one looks goes for the Eluder, second the Road Glide and third the K16B, but according to all reviews read, the Eluder was a mistake by yamaha in many ways and that scared me as many people are saying the depriciation is going to be HUGE, the Road Glide is the REALLY NICE being a Harley, but TOO expensive and little technology comparing to the others, and BMW the techiest, power, comfort, but do not look like a bagger, even though I am a sports bike guy, but I am now 52 years of age and I want a CHANGE. Dificult choices to make...I love the ELUDER, I like the Road Glide and I care for the BMW, but that does not solve my problem... Thanks a lot guys... LCL
7. Kawasaki - tried it and the turbulence over top the windshield at my height of 6.2 ft is atrocious 6. H-D Street Glide - everybody has one 5. Moto Guzzi - it's a little out there styling wise 4. Indian - torque monster 3. H-D Road Glide - Harley's best mile eater IMO 2. Yamaha - that is one heck of a couch and I can not wait to take it for a test ride once the snow melts 1. BMW - I want it all and this bike has it all, Grand America in black please.
1-BMW - I just found out they make cars too 2-Indian - but pay the monies and do the Stage 3 upgrade 3-HD Street- only because I still have a little (though draining fast) fondness for HD 4-Kawasaki - Don't care for the design though 5-HD Road Glide - Dad, can I borrow the keys to the Buick? 6-Yamaha - Nice short term ownership, until you try to sell 7-MotoG - A very cool, though quirky bike
Agree with Bobbo Morgan about the GoldWing fuel capacity. I've been on many trips where a 250 mile range (on up to 300) was a very good thing. Another aspect he left out is it's big decrease in storage capacity. I rode my BMW GTL down when I demo'ed the Wing, and compared them side by side. The storage has been substantially decreased; it's quite a bit smaller. It's definitely less than on the GTL, and the inside of the Wing saddlebags have some intrusions which might make the use of liner bags a little squeezed too. Two up the GTL handles our efficient packing for a 10-14 day trip, but I'm not sure my wife would appreciate being restricted another 20% or so. ;)
2018 K1600 GTL here, the gearshift assist pro works quite well on upshift and downshifts for me. Just let 100% off the throttle when downshifting. (Doesn't matter throttle on upshifts, but its at the most fun at redline and WOT!)
I'll be happy to have a race with my "mini van" Chieftain against any sport bike around. Five hundred miles first one there and the rider can walk 100 feet at the end wins.
As a person seriously mulling over my purchase options, I have ask "Where was the Goldwing?" Seems incomplete without it. I was hoping to see how it stacked up here. Why was it omitted from this comparison?
Harley is too cheap to put cartridge forks on a 30 grand bike (don't let that base price fool you, these approach 30 with options). The Indian has showa cartridge forks and at least the one I test rode handled great for a cruiser.
I’d like the Indian with the new 116 inch engine package now that I think about it . I had a 2005 Harley which I modified like a street glide and to me I never had a problem with it’s handling . I put Avon tires on it and they worked great.
Their riders value the "slammed" look over a functioning shock. People don't buy baggers to tour on anyway. These are just bar hoppers with big stereos. The Electra Glide has a full travel shock.
I really liked the BMW when I test road it but I just didn't feel like I would want it all the time for touring. I have always been a Harley guy and still am I went with a road Glide Ultra. But it always comes down to what you like. I like all the bikes and wish I could afford them all! But if I could have a second bike it would be the BMW 1600 B! Great Video!
why 2 harleys? same bike ,different fairing. I don't see the reasoning here. the eluder looks like a big man's bike. harleys has old school dimensions. the Vaquero is the only one that is a good value. 10k cheaper.
Agreed. I have and ride a 2014 nomad and I love it. As far as the street glide goes there are a lot of them for sale here in south east mi. I asked a previous owner of one, and he said that low pro front wheel makes handling a pain. This review should have separated the frame mount fairings vs fork mount. Had a guzzi once loved its agility, but there is only one dealer here in Michigan. My nomad wind buffets one freeway so, I am going to try my first frame mounted fairing bike and that will probably be a voyager or eluder.
Then just buy you metric and shut up. Most people that bash the Harley is because 1 they cannot afford it or 2nd do not want to commit to a bigger investment. That is just the plain damn truth.
The Goldwing is a touring bike. The video was set around baggers. Did you see the Harley Ultra? Did you see the Road Glide Ultra? Why is everybody crying about the gold wing?
These are baggers so bagger riders should be the test group not sport bike riders. You wouldn't have bagger riders come test sport bikes would you! To me this Channel misses the mark
I respectfully disagree, as a MOTORCYCLE rider, I don't like to be classified as a bagger rider or a sport bike rider. I am a motorcycle enthusiast and love to ride many different bikes. When I'm on a bagger, I know the pros and cons, same as when I'm on a sport bike.
Fair point, and I tend to agree. There seems to be a general discredit, if you will, for those that don’t ride in full tuck. As though we somehow are less discerning or competent to describe our own experience, so let’s get some cafe guys in for clarification.
I disagree. I'm a sportbike rider and I've test ridden most of the baggers. I can completely understand the appeal of them. Super comfortable, good looking, capable of making a decent pace on a twisty road without scraping hard parts, and just killing miles in comfort.
If anything a non-bagger rider will be more objective. Sportbike riders aren't likely going to be HD fanbois. Though I personally found the Harleys to be the best of the bunch despite not being a Harley fanboi.
Robert Polkamp, in the Bagger class the Guzzi for sure. So, they better don't talked about it.... I'm a german Biker and to me the BMW ist not a Bagger, it is a Sporttouring Bike.
I think they were looking at "bagger" in sense of saddle bags, but no touring trunk, but I think goldwing even has a model that meets that definition. And I agree, a touring comparison without a goldwing is not a good comparison....
Having owned the Street Glide, I can attest to it having the shitiest suspension of any bike I've ever owned. For $24k, it ought to have a better ride quality. I traded my SG in on a Venture so I'm partial to the Eluder, but the Beamer is the best bike here.
BMW should not have been included in this lineup. It is a sport touring motorcycle not a true bagger. Just because it has bags doesn’t make it a bagger. 😉
@ Rusty Kinion. A true bagger is a "cruiser" styled bike by tradition. They can call it a bagger (presumably because it has "bags"), but that does not make it a "traditional bagger" (e.g. Electra Glide, Roadmaster, Venture, etc.). Is it okay to call a Goldwing a "bagger" then?
Not sure what the percentage is but mostly. More so than HD’s.. Nit knocking Harley’s, I currently own one along with a Buell and a Chief Dark Horse. The Dark Horse is probably the nicest bike I’ve ever owned and it has been reliable as a wood burning stove. Test ride one for shits and giggles & you may have a new bike payment! Lol
Been riding many many years had all kinds of bike hate to say it but Harley-Davidson has the best dealer Network anywhere when you're touring is awful nice to know
👍🏿 How was the mileage on them? I had a 2016 Victory Magnum but I totaled it. I now have an 2017 Indian Chieftain with the 116 motor, intake and exhaust. It sounds great and it gets up and goes but I have yet to do a road trip. I am hoping you guy get a chance to review the 116 motor.
Good job guys on putting together info about these bikes. I gotta love the comments. Can’t test em all guys, good job Sean with a little education about the dams background. Also love your real world body type. Beautiful motorcycles, wish I could replace my st1300.
i dont get the hate for this video if you want a performance bagger go with bmw , stylish bagger? road glide or street glide , want a nicer suspension bagger ? chieftain dark horse all around bagger feel? the eluder, got no money? go for the kawasaki want something different? MGX-21
I WOULD BUY THE ELUDER FOR EATING MILES & ISN'T THAT THE REASON YOU BUY A BAGGER ? THE ONLY BAGGER THAT COULD CHANGE MY MIND MIGHT BE THE NEW GOLD WING !
Interesting how a lot of you 'the badge' makes the difference on what you would buy verses what is the better bagger when actually riding it and what is most versatile bike.
I want them all! I ride an HD Road King and really enjoy that bike. But I think that if I was going for another bagger I'd prob start looking at the K1600B. Lots of hills + tight and twisty riding were I live ... bet that'd be the bike for that terrain.
Black Dog keep up? You might need to do a small amount of research, the BMW is the only bike that could give the goldwing some trouble "keeping up" and I'm referring to the "old"goldwing
The Moto Guzzi and Indian got dissed in this video, but it's hard to imagine including these and not the Goldwing F6B. I guess the 'Gold' standard is always in a class by itself. One day I hope to have one. As for this group...I'd pick the Eluder or Vaquero.
I love my Chieftain. If I had another choice, I’d take the BMW Bagger. I’ve owned a 2014 Chief Vintage, and I’ve owned 4 BMWs. I presently own a 1995 R1100 GS Adventure, so I know BMW fairly well. My Indian Chieftain is the best Bagger I’ve ever owned. But the best bike I’ve ever ridden is the K1600 GT. The BMW Bagger seems to be a lot like it, but lower.
There are a lot of comments so this may have been previously addressed, but two things that were not addressed in the video was regarding the dealer network or the social aspect of owning a Harley. I thought about buying an Indian, but there were NO dealers nearby and I'm in the LA area (Ventura County) so service was going to be a hassle. I bought a Harley and one of the considerations is the vast dealer network across the county for service and support. if you go on a long trip and have an issue on a Harley it's going to be MUCH more likely to find a dealer close by than on one of the other bikes. Indian recognizes this and I believe will tow you for as far as it takes to get to a dealer, but who wants to go possibly hundreds of miles out of your way. Another thing that drew me to the Harley is the huge social network and nostalgia of being on a Harley. I ride with 4 different groups and the majority of the riders are on Harley's. We've been out in a huge group of Harley's and come upon a BMW only group and there were 4 guys. Now, I DO prefer to ride in smaller groups of more accomplished riders, but I got the impression there were fewer in the group because there are fewer riders on BMWs. I've made a lot of great friends and I attribute that partly to being a Harley rider. I'm in no way implying that Harley riders are different or better, there are just MORE of us and we are very brand loyal, as well. If you're making a logical decision based on features for price, I'd probably buy the BMW. I owned BMW cars for many years and BMW makes great products. With Harley's, you really pay more and get less compared to the other brands, but the dealer and social aspects of owning a Harley outweigh the logic, at least for me.
The Kawasaki is WAY underated. You get a lot of motorcycle for a lot less money 💰. A used one can be bought for 5 to 8k if you look around for one. Try buying a used Road Glide for that! Try buying any of them used for that! For what you get the Kawasaki just kicks ass. I have a Vulcan 1600 I only paid 3000 for and it had only 11k mikes on it. A comparable Harley used is easily TRIPLE that at the least.
I test rode the Indian then a Guzzi Eldorado. It took me less than 5 minutes to realise which bike was more comfortable, more character, better handling, brakes and power. The Guzzi won it by a mile. I am tall and the Indian gave me back ache for 3 days following a 2 hour ride
Reasons I'd have a hard time with the BMW. I hated my F6B seat and the Beemer seat looks almost the same. It only comes in black. Few dealers to find a deal, few dealers to get service if you needed it on the road. I think it comes down to the Yamaha and Street Glide. Low seating position means a TON to rider and passenger. Yamaha's reliability is a big plus, HD's dealer network, unbelievable modificability factor, and resell probably make it tough to not buy one.
The socialist comment by Sean at the beginning of the video is a perfect way to alienate a portion of your audience. I tune in to see motorcycle content, and only motorcycle content. There's enough politicization around today, that I don't need it here too. Believe what you want and be vocal about it on your own time, and on your own personal channel. When your on the clock, stick to your day job, reviewing motorcycles. Otherwise you'll kill your viewership.
Since when was a infrastructure a socialist manifestation? These loons are mental. You can tell easily if it was socialist built, were the laborers paid a wage? Or where they given tp vouchers and rice.
oh yes lets not call things what they are for the sake of being PC. We cant possibly offend someone by telling the truth. Please note he only stated a fact. The interpretation is left entirely to the viewer. Someone who supports socialist bullshit could say, see, look how well that worked out! and someone who supports free enterprise could shake their heads and see what a waste of money it is and how poorly it has been run.
Robert Giggie has nothing to do with being politically correct. It just has to do with this being a motorcycle channel. I couldn't give a damn what their political views are thats not why I'm here. If they start spouting political BS, then I and many other viewers won't be here anymore. Look at Target, they decided to take a stand on the bathroom issue, and now they're suffering the consequences with massive losses of sales. I subscribe to other channels for political commentary, not this one.
I made the comment. It was not political. It was a statement of fact. I expressed no opinion either way as to the benefits or problems with socialist projects, police departments, fire departments, schools, roads, etc.
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The Kawasaki hands down. Price, reliability, and just looks damm good. Next time get actual riders not writers !!
The Vaquero at half the price (buying one as a leftover) of the other bikes was a no brainer for me. I sat on almost all those and the fairing rolled right into the lowers and it looked so much more “finished “. Throw on a nice seat and taller windshield and comfort is great. You can do just slip ons since the cat is in the stock slip ons. The throttle by wire lag can be fixed with a throttle mod. Dollar for dollar it’s the Vaquero. Unless you want to visit the repair shop a lot. Then it’s HD lol
In Canada the Vaquero is $18,000 out the door. The Harley street glide and road glide are $28,000 out the door. The BMW is over $32,000 out the door. The Eluder is $29,000 out the door. The Vaquero is $10,000 or more cheaper then all the other bikes. That’s not even in the same league. The other bikes have better build quality and more toys because they cost $10,000 more then the Vaquero. The Vaquero has adjustable suspension, linked ABS, cruise control, stereo, and everything else you need at a best bang for the buck price. Hard to beat it for the money. My 2014 Nomad 1700 has the same motor and tranny as the Vaquero and I have 164,000km on it so far with no problems. You won’t be able to say that about some of the other bikes in this test. Ride safe.
You can find the Vaquero for $10k brand new. Thats a winner in my book. Ivans Flash Tune really wakes it up as well AND you dont need valve checks on it.
Right on Iceman, I just didn't like this years color scheme on it. Had it been a solid blackout version....I would of bought it for sure.
Harley, Indian and Yamaha all use hydraulic lifters as well so no valve adjustments there either. Not sure about the Guzzi, but they have a reputation for being reliable and easy to maintain. That 1600cc 6 cylinder in the BMW is legendarily expensive to maintain, almost as bad as Ducati maintenance costs.
Putting the kawi in this list is kinda funny. You can easily buy 2 for the others. Ya it has not quite the fit and finish and use hard touch plastic but it cost less and that factor was not even mentioned. As said getting an Ivan tune some pipes and maybe an intake and you have a bike with around 90hp and well over 100ftlbs.
Brand new Vaquero is NOT 10k, in US its $17 k and in Canada just under $20 k. Ide gladly spend the extra $8 k and will on the Indian or HD. U get what U pay for. Ride what U like, just ride and ride safe.
No you cant, at least not brand new. Its only 30% less money becoz its cheaper quality. But to each his own, its still a nice bike.
I pick the Vaquero as the winner. Why the Vaquero? 1. Price 2. Water cooled 3. Technology ahead of Harley and Indian 4. Cheap to upgrade. 5. $350 ECU flash by Ivan in NY. 6. Extended warranty only 700 bucks for six years 7. Looks as good as any of the others 8. My money is on the Kawasaki.
None have the tech that BMW has and they are all catching up slowly, not partial at all as I've owned so many different bikes over the years.
It is your winner. Nobody picked it. These guys put hard miles on these bikes. They rotated bikes and they all came to their own conclusions. IMO these were not bagger guys. You can just tell by looking at them. I would like to see this test with real bikers.
Ivan's flashes eluders too
DUDE!!!! I COMPLETELY agree with you on all 8 points! ESPECIALLY the first 3! K-ACT is great!!! AND water cooling! AND I'd add: cruise control even at that price point and Kawi's reputation for EXTREME reliability. My money is also on the Kawasaki!
I have cruise, adjustable windscreen and can flip my Chieftain around like my sportbikes. Love it.
In my price range, I’m going with the Vacquero and adding all the bells and whistles while still saving a TON of $$.
Great motorcycle. Did you end up getting it
Spent a whole 2 seconds on the guzzi and 13 minutes talking about the same old harleys....
Yhey didnt even speak on the Moto Guzzi it was an afterthought totally BS review by weekend warranty warriors.
I bought the Guzzi new for 10k 4 months ago... sweet!
They didn't even know what the size of the engine was. And you can get the Guzzi for a lot less money than the others.
@@davideldredge1335 how do you like it? I test rode one but the locks didn't work and a plastic piece in the center console broke off :( the bags seemed pretty small and with side openings, it did't seem like it would carry a lot of things(ie cold weather/rain gear)
The Guzzi is the coolest looking bike, but I just don't see it as a tourer. Those saddle bags are small.
Tried most of them but settled for a road king. I know it wasn’t tested but I absolutely love it.
Took me minute to ponder the absence of the Honda F6b 1800 but then it dawned on me, this was a battle of 2nd best bagger, it was already assumed the F6B was the undisputed king. Well done, had me wondering for a sec.
Where's the Gold Wing if you're going to do a ride review do it with all the best bikes don't leave one out a great one... you do it every time because you want the Harley and be on top so you leave out the Goldwing
The F6B would have been more fitting but heck ya... you are right...
Gold wing or FB6 better than all of them
Absolutely.... pre 2018 the Honda Goldwing F6B... and post 2018 the Honda Goldwing standard...
Gold wing is just a small ugly car....not a bagger
what about the Triumph Thunderbird?
The Vaquero is a great motorcycle. I'm surprised it isn't so popular. I like the aesthetics of it over the 2 HDs; no, I'm not trying to start a war, but the 2 HDs seemed small to me (I like all HDs, by the way). Also the Vaquero will wake up when you throw some AF into it. Such a pity to not see Kawa's former ingenious 2053cc V-Twin engine in the Vaquero. The Eluder? It's really growing on me. Indian really raising the bar, very glad for them.
love my Vaquero. I have Harley, Goldwing, Yamaha roadstar but the vaquero is fun fun fun I ride solo. Don't know what these guys are talking about. I rode a Indian chieftain okay if you're willing to pay 25k plus. As long as you're on 2 wheels and enjoy it, that's what you should go for.
HD is small.actually they are short in length.
I have wondered the same thing about the Kawa's 2053cc engine.
@@mytriton54 Unfortunately the tight emission regulations in the US and Europe have made it very difficult to bring back the 2053c beast. I'm afraid the 2053cc engine (or Kawasaki VN2000) will never come back, which makes me shed a tear as it's one of the best engines ever built on a motorcycle.
Most uninformative comparison I've seen. Almost everyone had conclusive decision. They were saying idiotic things like if I was going to buy one it would be this but if I wanted one to put miles on it would be this. What don't you so called experts get? When we watch a review we want to see acceleration tests, we want to know how each one handles, we want to know how their brakes are. Being that they are baggers we want to know about storage and comfort and we want reasons for your opinions. To be honest all these manufacturers are stupid for letting you take these bikes because you're really not doing anything but going for a ride because as far as a comparison goes after watching this I still have no idea which is the better bike. Thanks for waisting 16 minutes.
I'm a sorta old dude. I started riding in the dirt in 1969. Never been without a bike since. All kinds of bikes-loved and hated every one of them. Bagger versitility is the closest I've come to satisfaction. My bike is a 1998 Honda Valk bagger. 1520cc Power: 100.00 HP(@ 6000 RPM) Torque: 95.9 ft.lbs(@ 5000 RPM). Six cylinders, six carbs, six into six exhaust. Big? Yup. Heavy? Yup. Unsophisticated by today's standards? Yup. But it's got soul, it's a beast and a blast to ride. I'd change the pegs to be higher and further back, I'd change the seat height up by 2", I'd have a bigger tank for better range, I'd get rid of all that rusty chrome and powder coat , anodize, and stainless EVERYTHING I could black, and I'd add a sixth gear. Other than that Brunhilde is perfect. I find the new bikes competent but a bit vanilla...
Vulcan with the best price and common it's kawasaki! That bike will last longer than most of them.
The last Kawasaki I had was a 2007 1500 classic. Engine needed a rebuild at 18000 miles. Never again will I deal with that company.
You are right, it’s common.
Exactly!! Real bike .!!!!!!
vulcanman64 you probably bought it used 😂😂
@mtb supertroll my buddy had a 1600 that lasted over 150k when it finally needed a rebuild.
you're not going to see the goldwing here because the first one who chose anything other than the cadillac would destroy the reputation of the channel
You should have Ivan flashed your Vaquero. It makes it a whole different bike. For look, it has all of those bikes beat. IMHO.
The beautiful Yamaha Eluder for me😋
Where is the Goldwing on this one.
jjacksonjca gold wing its a vacuum cleaner it sounds so light
Gold wing is not a bagger
@@ivancardenas2860 if the 6 cylinder BMW K1600B is a bagger, than the Honda Goldwing flat 6 is too. They also have a bagger version of the full dresser.
@@ivancardenas2860 Goldwing F6B pre 2018 is indeed a bagger and a GREAT one at that, and the Goldwing Standard (non-tour) 2018+ is also a bagger and also a GREAT one at that..Check them out. :)
@@jsflagstad my father has taken his f6b from CT to Cali and back 2x and I do all of his maintenance. Even with 80k miles now I'd choose it over a brand new road glide
Take the Vulcan, get the ECM Ivanized at less than $400 and it will outperform or match the 2 harleys and be $10,000 cheaper
Its actually powered evenly with the road glide, a nod with a flash outperformance it by alot.
Another Harley commercial disguised as a consumer report
I absolutely love the looks and ride of the K1600 B and own a H-D Street Glide BUT @longhaulpaul got 100,000 miles plus on the Yamaha Star Venture. (Eluder) and didn't get valves checked until like 50k miles, which were fine and needed no adjustments and had zero issues with the mc for 100k. In my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't a touring bike out there besides the Honda Goldwing, that'll give you that comfort and peace of mind for long distance "Touring". If you haven't already, check his 100,000 vid out. Bike still sounds brand new after 100k. Wow!!
I find it strange you didn`t discuss purchase price. Kawai does what the other bikes do for 8-10k less. You said yourself, Kawi has good power, better ride with more travel than the Harleys. 10K less than the Harleys. Liquid cooled .4 valves/cylinder. Great warranty. The resale thing does not hold water. I have been pricing new and used Harleys for the past 30 years. You lose just as much at resale as with metrics. New The Kawi will be worth 5k lless after purchase and so will the Harleys, maybe even more.
the Kawai is 10K less, and feels like it's 15K less is the problem. The hole bike is cheap plastics with awful fit and finish. If it was 5K less, and felt close to the others, it woulda been a huge deal. And if you think the resale value on Harley/Indian is the same as Japanese bikes, you're a special kind of stupid.
@@HumbertoYi0878
The whole business about Harleys holding their value is bullshit. It's just something else that the Harley clones tell themselves to justify their purchase of an underpowered , poorly engineered, unreliable piece of Milwaukee junk.
Don't believe it? It's easy enough to research.
Kurt that Kawai is a great bike for the price but its not 10k less. That would make it a 10 to 12k bike. You can get into a Street Glide for about 21k.
@@russellnewcomb8542 Cheapest new Street Glides near me are 27,500 plus freight and dock charge. New Vaqueros 16,000
The only one in this group that even fits someone over 6’ is the Eluder. The rest require lots of add ons to make them comfortable.
I'll take my Cali 1400 Touring over the MGX-21 any day. Stable as hell at speed, and at 2 mph. Great classic look, too.
But it's not a bagger
What's going on with the camper at 9:12? It's too short of an overhang to be a 5th wheel, but it doesn't look like a bumper-pull either. What would you do with a little bitty overhang like that? Not bashing, I've just never seen one like that before.
I agree on that Streetglide windscreen. I own a Chieftain and love the adjustable windscreen.
12:58 - 13:02 “That’s a lot of cubic hairs!” 😂😂😂
I know it’s not a full on touring bike but I have put so many miles on Kawasaki’s Concourse and I just love these bikes. My first one was the first year 1986. I bought it used (1992) with 8200 miles on it. When I sold it, it had 378,788 miles on it and the guy rode off on it. The things I had to do to it were. I replaced the timing chain once and the tensioner. Two times I thought the clutch was going bad and both times it was this star shaped washer. Oneof the fingers on the sringsteel washer breaks off and the clutch will slip every once and a while. The first time I bought the friction rings and the steel plates and made a tool to hold the flywheel from turning. When I got the clutch apart everything was in good shape so I replaced the old parts with the new parts and put the old parts in a plastic bag with some oil and kept them. That was at about 140K. The next time was at 295K I took the clutch apart and it was that washer again. So for shits and giggles I checked the thickness of a new friction plate and it was 0.217 then the old plates and they were 0.217. That shocked me I checked all of my old plates and one was 0.215 and one was 0. 214. I had to replace one relay for the lights and then brake pads and oil and filters adjust valves and tires. I sold it in 2008 a bought a 2005 Concourse with 8700 miles on it. That bike had been sitting for a year or two so I took it for a test ride and could tell the carbs needed to be cleaned out. I trailered it home. I live up in the mountains of California in a small town called Twain Harte about 16 straight north of Yosemite. I was working at Gallo as a maintains mechanic on the swing shift. So my bikes get a work out running from 4500 feet above sea level to under 100 feet. The first bike I rode much harder hitting 100 plus almost every day riding to and from work. The 2005 bike I rode a little less aggressively may be 85 to 90 most times and once in a while 100 or more mph. I am 69 years old now and have slowed it down on the street and keep the faster stuff for my RX7 and the race track. So the 2005 bike I have 55 k on it now. I had to change some O-ring’s because of coolant leaking and I had a radiator hose pop off and had to fix that on the side of the road once. I pulled the carbs out and cleaned the pilot jest and was good to go. Other than that Oil changes, plugs, set the valves, one set of brake pads and tires. And one windscreen (Dam Owl) that’s it. I have taken me bikes camping and it held all that I needed to camp for two or three days. They get around 42 mpg if you ride like a sane man and I have gotten 50 mpg once trying very hard riding like my grandma. I got 37 mpg riding like an insane man like a stupid kid. I love these bike because they ride great they handle good (not like a sports bike) and best of all both of these bikes I picked up for $3500 each. So till me were else you can get a bike that has all that and can get hundreds of thousands of reliable miles for so little.
Wow, you guys.... This... Video review thing... You're leaving a lot to be desired. Presentation of neither the bikes nor the testers was present, in no form or way were there any sort of systematic breakdown of neither models nor opinions of the reviewers, bunch of random shots and a "okay that's day one complete!" thrown in somewhere - with a terrible summary situation at the end of the video.....
You've got to rethink this TH-cam-thing, maybe hire someone who understands the format.... Just a tip....
Agreed - they didn't even introduce which models they were reviewing. The beginning of the video "we've made it to the dam dam and that's it for day one."
yeah that left me totally confused. They didnt even list the bikes really in the info.
Because they are selling Bull 💩
"... no systematic breakdown...of [the] opinions of the reviewers..." I was thinking it may have been only me who felt like that. I completely agree with you.
The Eluder is the way to go, the engine will last forever.
I'm interested but I just can't get over the visuals. It looks like a Goldwing pretending to be a Harley and failing at both.
@@TonberryShuffle Eye of the beholder....
Guys should have added the new 2018 gold wing - this test is incomplete without that bike. Since now it is available for testing
100% not available for this test. Unfortunate timing.
Unfortunately, the Gold Wing was not available for this shootout.
what do you mean unavailable? literally their last video before this one was a GL review.
Doesn't mean Honda had a press bike available for this shootout
That was the Gold Wing Tour - with the trunk. The Gold Wing standard (bagger version) is not available yet.
Thanks for the video. I see a lot of comments asking for the Goldwing. It would make sense to have it here. My 2015 F6b sits next to my 02 Harley Night Train in the garage. I bought the F6b after testing the Road and Street Glides, for much less $ than the HDs.
Pros: cost, motor performance and reliability, baggae space, handling. Cons: super windy, so much plastic, cheap paint, horrible comfort on long distances causing more pain than my NT ever has, jerky shaft drive, no infotainment, no 6th gear.
Looking to trade it in. Indian and Harley are at the top of my list, and now I’ll have a look at the Yamaha.
I love the fact that all these giant engine V-twins got outrun by the little Moto Guzzi. 😆
That Guzzi is interesting and weird at the same time. High speed instability? Mama Mia!
Long live Victory 😭
Future collector bikes
Miss my Vision, have a CVO RG 117 now
The Vision was ugly as sin. No resale on it for that reason
@@superturboawesome1 says you
@@MrAllDay2u no, says the guys who can't give theirs away... fugly
Want to see 2018 Gold wing in group test why not wait for one so its a true test ???????????????
Absolutely NO QUESTION if I liked the video, this is awesome...
I am in the market for three of the bikes you guys rode...
BMW K16B
Road Glide
Star Eluder
NOW...number one looks goes for the Eluder, second the Road Glide and third the K16B, but according to all reviews read, the Eluder was a mistake by yamaha in many ways and that scared me as many people are saying the depriciation is going to be HUGE, the Road Glide is the REALLY NICE being a Harley, but TOO expensive and little technology comparing to the others, and BMW the techiest, power, comfort, but do not look like a bagger, even though I am a sports bike guy, but I am now 52 years of age and I want a CHANGE.
Dificult choices to make...I love the ELUDER, I like the Road Glide and I care for the BMW, but that does not solve my problem...
Thanks a lot guys...
LCL
7. Kawasaki - tried it and the turbulence over top the windshield at my height of 6.2 ft is atrocious
6. H-D Street Glide - everybody has one
5. Moto Guzzi - it's a little out there styling wise
4. Indian - torque monster
3. H-D Road Glide - Harley's best mile eater IMO
2. Yamaha - that is one heck of a couch and I can not wait to take it for a test ride once the snow melts
1. BMW - I want it all and this bike has it all, Grand America in black please.
thor8640 I'd swap the guzzi and the road glide. I dig something that nobody knows wtf it is. Other than that, 👌🏼
1-BMW - I just found out they make cars too
2-Indian - but pay the monies and do the Stage 3 upgrade
3-HD Street- only because I still have a little (though draining fast) fondness for HD
4-Kawasaki - Don't care for the design though
5-HD Road Glide - Dad, can I borrow the keys to the Buick?
6-Yamaha - Nice short term ownership, until you try to sell
7-MotoG - A very cool, though quirky bike
When you see the Guzzi up close, its a stunner.
thor8640 did a review of the bmw. The bike is so damn good it deserves it's own catagorie.
I wound up buying one. Its everything they say it is, and much more...just love it!
Would love to see the new Gold Wing run against this group, shame they couldn't get a press bike to you for this.
No doubt, I was like where is the Gold Wing???
MY thoughts too.
I know it suck to do the work again, but i agree with mrvwbug44, gotta get the gold wing in there. Make it happen guys!!!!
180miles per tank up is fine. chance to go take a piss, stretch the legs, check out the local attractions
Agree with Bobbo Morgan about the GoldWing fuel capacity. I've been on many trips where a 250 mile range (on up to 300) was a very good thing. Another aspect he left out is it's big decrease in storage capacity. I rode my BMW GTL down when I demo'ed the Wing, and compared them side by side. The storage has been substantially decreased; it's quite a bit smaller. It's definitely less than on the GTL, and the inside of the Wing saddlebags have some intrusions which might make the use of liner bags a little squeezed too. Two up the GTL handles our efficient packing for a 10-14 day trip, but I'm not sure my wife would appreciate being restricted another 20% or so. ;)
2018 K1600 GTL here, the gearshift assist pro works quite well on upshift and downshifts for me. Just let 100% off the throttle when downshifting. (Doesn't matter throttle on upshifts, but its at the most fun at redline and WOT!)
Why no Goldwing?
Kawasaki is the best bang for the buck, but the Yamaha is the best in the Class.
I'll be happy to have a race with my "mini van" Chieftain against any sport bike around. Five hundred miles first one there and the rider can walk 100 feet at the end wins.
As a person seriously mulling over my purchase options, I have ask "Where was the Goldwing?" Seems incomplete without it.
I was hoping to see how it stacked up here. Why was it omitted from this comparison?
Why can't Harley fix that damn suspension when the Harley guy chose the Indian I said wow
Harley is too cheap to put cartridge forks on a 30 grand bike (don't let that base price fool you, these approach 30 with options). The Indian has showa cartridge forks and at least the one I test rode handled great for a cruiser.
I’d like the Indian with the new 116 inch engine package now that I think about it . I had a 2005 Harley which I modified like a street glide and to me I never had a problem with it’s handling . I put Avon tires on it and they worked great.
Their riders value the "slammed" look over a functioning shock. People don't buy baggers to tour on anyway. These are just bar hoppers with big stereos. The Electra Glide has a full travel shock.
Short suspension is built into the special trims. Rear is adjustable. Personally I prefer the ride of the Ultras.
street glides or road glides are not 30, even the special editions *not CVO, though*. dont spread bad information. 21k-26k aint 30
This video was better, with more character than most of the other recent ones. Keep it up.
you guys did a great job. very good video, was not boring and was very informative.
I really liked the BMW when I test road it but I just didn't feel like I would want it all the time for touring. I have always been a Harley guy and still am I went with a road Glide Ultra. But it always comes down to what you like. I like all the bikes and wish I could afford them all! But if I could have a second bike it would be the BMW 1600 B! Great Video!
Which bike is the biggest? For a tall person
why no goldwing?
why 2 harleys? same bike ,different fairing. I don't see the reasoning here.
the eluder looks like a big man's bike. harleys has old school dimensions. the Vaquero is the only one that is a good value. 10k cheaper.
Agreed. I have and ride a 2014 nomad and I love it. As far as the street glide goes there are a lot of them for sale here in south east mi. I asked a previous owner of one, and he said that low pro front wheel makes handling a pain. This review should have separated the frame mount fairings vs fork mount. Had a guzzi once loved its agility, but there is only one dealer here in Michigan. My nomad wind buffets one freeway so, I am going to try my first frame mounted fairing bike and that will probably be a voyager or eluder.
Why 2 Hardley ‘s ? In case one breaks down !
Fixed faring road glide is better.
I had the street glide and now have the 2019 fltrxs road glide. I will never go back to a fork mounted faring.
A good value and being cheaper are two different things.
Then just buy you metric and shut up.
Most people that bash the Harley is because 1 they cannot afford it
or 2nd do not want to commit to a bigger investment.
That is just the plain damn truth.
No goldwing, subpar video, and unnecessary politicization.
I’ll stick with fort nine and revzilla.
The Goldwing is a touring bike. The video was set around baggers. Did you see the Harley Ultra? Did you see the Road Glide Ultra? Why is everybody crying about the gold wing?
The Pellet Cooker why is the BMW there?
It’s a bagger segment idiot
@@thepelletcooker5118 Honda F6B. Yeah now go and look at your shoes. There you go, before you start complaining, do some research.
These are baggers so bagger riders should be the test group not sport bike riders. You wouldn't have bagger riders come test sport bikes would you! To me this Channel misses the mark
I respectfully disagree, as a MOTORCYCLE rider, I don't like to be classified as a bagger rider or a sport bike rider. I am a motorcycle enthusiast and love to ride many different bikes. When I'm on a bagger, I know the pros and cons, same as when I'm on a sport bike.
Fair point, and I tend to agree. There seems to be a general discredit, if you will, for those that don’t ride in full tuck. As though we somehow are less discerning or competent to describe our own experience, so let’s get some cafe guys in for clarification.
I disagree. I'm a sportbike rider and I've test ridden most of the baggers. I can completely understand the appeal of them. Super comfortable, good looking, capable of making a decent pace on a twisty road without scraping hard parts, and just killing miles in comfort.
If anything a non-bagger rider will be more objective. Sportbike riders aren't likely going to be HD fanbois. Though I personally found the Harleys to be the best of the bunch despite not being a Harley fanboi.
This channel , motorcyclist.com , and fortnine are the three best, by far.
Is there a full dresser version of this shoot out eg Road Glide Ultra, Gold Wing, Star Venture TC etc. Thanks
They are all drag queens so my only question is which one has the best corner clearence?
Robert Polkamp, in the Bagger class the Guzzi for sure. So, they better don't talked about it....
I'm a german Biker and to me the BMW ist not a Bagger, it is a Sporttouring Bike.
afraid of the Honda bagger?
I think they were looking at "bagger" in sense of saddle bags, but no touring trunk, but I think goldwing even has a model that meets that definition. And I agree, a touring comparison without a goldwing is not a good comparison....
Also, moto guzzi? Is anyone really buying that? I'd replace either the road glide or the guzzi with the goldwing F6B
If HD is paying their way through a bias review....yes!
You guys just missed out the new GoldWing 2018
Hopefully you can do a full dresser version of this video with equivalent versions, thanks
Toss up between the BMW 1600B and the Harley Street Glide. Those two are the best out of the group. Power, looks, and overall cool factor.
Man really enjoyed this comparison, tend toward touring models of these, just bought the now extinct "Ultra Classic".
Having owned the Street Glide, I can attest to it having the shitiest suspension of any bike I've ever owned. For $24k, it ought to have a better ride quality. I traded my SG in on a Venture so I'm partial to the Eluder, but the Beamer is the best bike here.
Is the HP on the Eluder real or a misprint? 75hp with a 1850cc motor?
Wow, really two Harley's and no Goldwing. I will go back over to the other mags.
BMW should not have been included in this lineup. It is a sport touring motorcycle not a true bagger. Just because it has bags doesn’t make it a bagger. 😉
Agreed. It's a very refined in-line 6 cylinder vs. a bunch of traditional V-twins. Apples and oranges.
Michael Switzer Jr. Agreed
It's designed as a bagger, it's labeled a bagger , the model is 1600 B ( for bagger) yes it's a sports bike bagger
@ Rusty Kinion. A true bagger is a "cruiser" styled bike by tradition. They can call it a bagger (presumably because it has "bags"), but that does not make it a "traditional bagger" (e.g. Electra Glide, Roadmaster, Venture, etc.). Is it okay to call a Goldwing a "bagger" then?
Michael Switzer Jr. X x x. X xx👞
My picks:
1- Indian
2- BMW
Just proves you're a weekend warrior. Not a serious daily rider. Both mechanical junk.
BMW is not a Bagger!
Is so then the Honda should have been there too.
Ric Powers Beamer definitely but the Indians are sound.
@@jocoloco1320 Good to kno joco. Are they made in usa like the old days?
Not sure what the percentage is but mostly. More so than HD’s.. Nit knocking Harley’s, I currently own one along with a Buell and a Chief Dark Horse. The Dark Horse is probably the nicest bike I’ve ever owned and it has been reliable as a wood burning stove. Test ride one for shits and giggles & you may have a new bike payment! Lol
Been riding many many years had all kinds of bike hate to say it but Harley-Davidson has the best dealer Network anywhere when you're touring is awful nice to know
My father has an F6b, nearly half of our club has vaqueros. I've ridden both, and still bought an eluder
👍🏿 How was the mileage on them? I had a 2016 Victory Magnum but I totaled it. I now have an 2017 Indian Chieftain with the 116 motor, intake and exhaust. It sounds great and it gets up and goes but I have yet to do a road trip. I am hoping you guy get a chance to review the 116 motor.
We already did a quick review of the 116.
www.motorcycle.com/products/thunder-stroke-116-cubic-inch-stage-3-big-bore-kit-review-first-ride
Good job guys on putting together info about these bikes. I gotta love the comments. Can’t test em all guys, good job Sean with a little education about the dams background. Also love your real world body type. Beautiful motorcycles, wish I could replace my st1300.
I think it's not fair to bring a dark horse, then you complain that it doesn't have a passenger seat!!! U should have brought the chieftain!
It is a cheiftain
Nah bill that’s a road master
i dont get the hate for this video
if you want a performance bagger go with bmw ,
stylish bagger? road glide or street glide ,
want a nicer suspension bagger ? chieftain dark horse
all around bagger feel? the eluder,
got no money? go for the kawasaki
want something different? MGX-21
Really need the Goldwing
Awesome mention on the resale value. Easy HD, Indian, and BMW will throttle the others in that category.
Wow never thought I'd hear a reference to Guam in a bagger comparo.
IslandTosh well they are boats...
I WOULD BUY THE ELUDER FOR EATING MILES & ISN'T THAT THE REASON YOU BUY A BAGGER ? THE ONLY BAGGER THAT COULD CHANGE MY MIND MIGHT BE THE NEW GOLD WING !
I have an Electra Glide and a road star, buddy I've got a chub for that eluder, I know I "shouldn't" but Damn it's bad ass lookin
Interesting how a lot of you 'the badge' makes the difference on what you would buy verses what is the better bagger when actually riding it and what is most versatile bike.
I want them all!
I ride an HD Road King and really enjoy that bike. But I think that if I was going for another bagger I'd prob start looking at the K1600B. Lots of hills + tight and twisty riding were I live ... bet that'd be the bike for that terrain.
Should have waited for the new Goldwing Bagger
Black Dog keep up? You might need to do a small amount of research, the BMW is the only bike that could give the goldwing some trouble "keeping up" and I'm referring to the "old"goldwing
Where’s the gold wing?
Low light right from the beginning.....rode only at night?
Mallubiker Bijilal very poor video in this.
Indian is the best.Greatings from Bulgaria.
The Moto Guzzi and Indian got dissed in this video, but it's hard to imagine including these and not the Goldwing F6B. I guess the 'Gold' standard is always in a class by itself. One day I hope to have one. As for this group...I'd pick the Eluder or Vaquero.
I love my Chieftain. If I had another choice, I’d take the BMW Bagger. I’ve owned a 2014 Chief Vintage, and I’ve owned 4 BMWs. I presently own a 1995 R1100 GS Adventure, so I know BMW fairly well. My Indian Chieftain is the best Bagger I’ve ever owned. But the best bike I’ve ever ridden is the K1600 GT. The BMW Bagger seems to be a lot like it, but lower.
Yes the Vaq is a great bike very reliable,gonna be my second bike
What?? Inferior suspension on a Harley?? Ya don't say.... but after all, how important is suspension on a long-haul motorcycle anyway? 🙄
There are a lot of comments so this may have been previously addressed, but two things that were not addressed in the video was regarding the dealer network or the social aspect of owning a Harley. I thought about buying an Indian, but there were NO dealers nearby and I'm in the LA area (Ventura County) so service was going to be a hassle. I bought a Harley and one of the considerations is the vast dealer network across the county for service and support. if you go on a long trip and have an issue on a Harley it's going to be MUCH more likely to find a dealer close by than on one of the other bikes. Indian recognizes this and I believe will tow you for as far as it takes to get to a dealer, but who wants to go possibly hundreds of miles out of your way. Another thing that drew me to the Harley is the huge social network and nostalgia of being on a Harley. I ride with 4 different groups and the majority of the riders are on Harley's. We've been out in a huge group of Harley's and come upon a BMW only group and there were 4 guys. Now, I DO prefer to ride in smaller groups of more accomplished riders, but I got the impression there were fewer in the group because there are fewer riders on BMWs. I've made a lot of great friends and I attribute that partly to being a Harley rider. I'm in no way implying that Harley riders are different or better, there are just MORE of us and we are very brand loyal, as well. If you're making a logical decision based on features for price, I'd probably buy the BMW. I owned BMW cars for many years and BMW makes great products. With Harley's, you really pay more and get less compared to the other brands, but the dealer and social aspects of owning a Harley outweigh the logic, at least for me.
Can we get a 2020 updated version of this? Include the Indian challenger, Yamaha Eluder, and the new Goldwing???
The Kawasaki is WAY underated. You get a lot of motorcycle for a lot less money 💰. A used one can be bought for 5 to 8k if you look around for one. Try buying a used Road Glide for that! Try buying any of them used for that! For what you get the Kawasaki just kicks ass. I have a Vulcan 1600 I only paid 3000 for and it had only 11k mikes on it. A comparable Harley used is easily TRIPLE that at the least.
Indian all the way.
Indian makes a great bike, but man they's butt ugly.
@@gabbyhayes1568 it'll never be as bad as that guzzi. Damn near barfed on myself.
I test rode the Indian then a Guzzi Eldorado. It took me less than 5 minutes to realise which bike was more comfortable, more character, better handling, brakes and power. The Guzzi won it by a mile. I am tall and the Indian gave me back ache for 3 days following a 2 hour ride
Reasons I'd have a hard time with the BMW. I hated my F6B seat and the Beemer seat looks almost the same. It only comes in black. Few dealers to find a deal, few dealers to get service if you needed it on the road. I think it comes down to the Yamaha and Street Glide. Low seating position means a TON to rider and passenger. Yamaha's reliability is a big plus, HD's dealer network, unbelievable modificability factor, and resell probably make it tough to not buy one.
Officially the longest bike title ever ! 💖 bmw all the way. Engine is immense.
It's the Indian for me, love the look and ride of that bike, just out of my price range at the moment.
Never give up.
You are right, msrp about $24.5 USD, not including TTL it freight/destination
That BMW is a beautiful machine. Fit, finish, technology and comfort. I've never been so comfortable and it's not as heavy as many bikes in its class.
How far do you consider far...to the point that you would need a "touring" bike?
The socialist comment by Sean at the beginning of the video is a perfect way to alienate a portion of your audience. I tune in to see motorcycle content, and only motorcycle content. There's enough politicization around today, that I don't need it here too. Believe what you want and be vocal about it on your own time, and on your own personal channel. When your on the clock, stick to your day job, reviewing motorcycles. Otherwise you'll kill your viewership.
Since when was a infrastructure a socialist manifestation? These loons are mental.
You can tell easily if it was socialist built, were the laborers paid a wage? Or where they given tp vouchers and rice.
oh yes lets not call things what they are for the sake of being PC. We cant possibly offend someone by telling the truth. Please note he only stated a fact. The interpretation is left entirely to the viewer. Someone who supports socialist bullshit could say, see, look how well that worked out! and someone who supports free enterprise could shake their heads and see what a waste of money it is and how poorly it has been run.
Robert Giggie has nothing to do with being politically correct. It just has to do with this being a motorcycle channel. I couldn't give a damn what their political views are thats not why I'm here. If they start spouting political BS, then I and many other viewers won't be here anymore. Look at Target, they decided to take a stand on the bathroom issue, and now they're suffering the consequences with massive losses of sales. I subscribe to other channels for political commentary, not this one.
Big Bear Bonneville you're missing the point of my comment. It wasn't to start a political debate, quite the opposite. This isn't the place for it.
I made the comment. It was not political. It was a statement of fact. I expressed no opinion either way as to the benefits or problems with socialist projects, police departments, fire departments, schools, roads, etc.
They didn't tell me how the coffee maker, trolling motor and fish finder worked on these barges!
I'm a Harley guy and was surprised by the Goldwing not being reviewed.
Wtf was the bmw doing on this list?