2018 Big Dam Bagger Shootout: Indian Chieftain Dark Horse vs. Harley-Davidson Road Glide vs
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- BMW K1600 B vs. Indian Chieftain Dark Horse vs. Kawasaki Vaquero vs. Harley-Davidson Street and Road Glides vs. Moto Guzzi MGX-21 vs. Yamaha Eluder
The Big Dam Tour was originally conceived as a multi-day moto-carouse way up to Northern California, where we’d swoop by a few of the state’s many impressive dams, including Shasta and Oroville, as an excuse to ride like maniacs over some great roads. The exigencies of the modern workplace, however, dictated an overnight blast to Hoover Dam via Death Valley - a ride of about 300 miles each way. Actually that’s probably just about right for a “bagger,” which is really just this side of a touring bike, and built for just such overnight hauls as well as around-town use and commuting. Mr. Hoover’s dam is also Los Vegas-adjacent, where a quick search for cheap accommodations had us booked into the Hooters Casino and Hotel quicker than Dirty Sean could say “hot wings.”
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The Kawasaki hands down. Price, reliability, and just looks damm good. Next time get actual riders not writers !!
The Vaquero at half the price (buying one as a leftover) of the other bikes was a no brainer for me. I sat on almost all those and the fairing rolled right into the lowers and it looked so much more “finished “. Throw on a nice seat and taller windshield and comfort is great. You can do just slip ons since the cat is in the stock slip ons. The throttle by wire lag can be fixed with a throttle mod. Dollar for dollar it’s the Vaquero. Unless you want to visit the repair shop a lot. Then it’s HD lol
In Canada the Vaquero is $18,000 out the door. The Harley street glide and road glide are $28,000 out the door. The BMW is over $32,000 out the door. The Eluder is $29,000 out the door. The Vaquero is $10,000 or more cheaper then all the other bikes. That’s not even in the same league. The other bikes have better build quality and more toys because they cost $10,000 more then the Vaquero. The Vaquero has adjustable suspension, linked ABS, cruise control, stereo, and everything else you need at a best bang for the buck price. Hard to beat it for the money. My 2014 Nomad 1700 has the same motor and tranny as the Vaquero and I have 164,000km on it so far with no problems. You won’t be able to say that about some of the other bikes in this test. Ride safe.
In my price range, I’m going with the Vacquero and adding all the bells and whistles while still saving a TON of $$.
I have cruise, adjustable windscreen and can flip my Chieftain around like my sportbikes. Love it.
Spent a whole 2 seconds on the guzzi and 13 minutes talking about the same old harleys....
Yhey didnt even speak on the Moto Guzzi it was an afterthought totally BS review by weekend warranty warriors.
I bought the Guzzi new for 10k 4 months ago... sweet!
They didn't even know what the size of the engine was. And you can get the Guzzi for a lot less money than the others.
@@davideldredge1335 how do you like it? I test rode one but the locks didn't work and a plastic piece in the center console broke off :( the bags seemed pretty small and with side openings, it did't seem like it would carry a lot of things(ie cold weather/rain gear)
The Guzzi is the coolest looking bike, but I just don't see it as a tourer. Those saddle bags are small.
You can find the Vaquero for $10k brand new. Thats a winner in my book. Ivans Flash Tune really wakes it up as well AND you dont need valve checks on it.
Right on Iceman, I just didn't like this years color scheme on it. Had it been a solid blackout version....I would of bought it for sure.
Harley, Indian and Yamaha all use hydraulic lifters as well so no valve adjustments there either. Not sure about the Guzzi, but they have a reputation for being reliable and easy to maintain. That 1600cc 6 cylinder in the BMW is legendarily expensive to maintain, almost as bad as Ducati maintenance costs.
Putting the kawi in this list is kinda funny. You can easily buy 2 for the others. Ya it has not quite the fit and finish and use hard touch plastic but it cost less and that factor was not even mentioned. As said getting an Ivan tune some pipes and maybe an intake and you have a bike with around 90hp and well over 100ftlbs.
Brand new Vaquero is NOT 10k, in US its $17 k and in Canada just under $20 k. Ide gladly spend the extra $8 k and will on the Indian or HD. U get what U pay for. Ride what U like, just ride and ride safe.
No you cant, at least not brand new. Its only 30% less money becoz its cheaper quality. But to each his own, its still a nice bike.
Tried most of them but settled for a road king. I know it wasn’t tested but I absolutely love it.
I pick the Vaquero as the winner. Why the Vaquero? 1. Price 2. Water cooled 3. Technology ahead of Harley and Indian 4. Cheap to upgrade. 5. $350 ECU flash by Ivan in NY. 6. Extended warranty only 700 bucks for six years 7. Looks as good as any of the others 8. My money is on the Kawasaki.
None have the tech that BMW has and they are all catching up slowly, not partial at all as I've owned so many different bikes over the years.
It is your winner. Nobody picked it. These guys put hard miles on these bikes. They rotated bikes and they all came to their own conclusions. IMO these were not bagger guys. You can just tell by looking at them. I would like to see this test with real bikers.
Ivan's flashes eluders too
DUDE!!!! I COMPLETELY agree with you on all 8 points! ESPECIALLY the first 3! K-ACT is great!!! AND water cooling! AND I'd add: cruise control even at that price point and Kawi's reputation for EXTREME reliability. My money is also on the Kawasaki!
You should have Ivan flashed your Vaquero. It makes it a whole different bike. For look, it has all of those bikes beat. IMHO.
Where's the Gold Wing if you're going to do a ride review do it with all the best bikes don't leave one out a great one... you do it every time because you want the Harley and be on top so you leave out the Goldwing
The F6B would have been more fitting but heck ya... you are right...
Gold wing or FB6 better than all of them
Absolutely.... pre 2018 the Honda Goldwing F6B... and post 2018 the Honda Goldwing standard...
Gold wing is just a small ugly car....not a bagger
what about the Triumph Thunderbird?
The Vaquero is a great motorcycle. I'm surprised it isn't so popular. I like the aesthetics of it over the 2 HDs; no, I'm not trying to start a war, but the 2 HDs seemed small to me (I like all HDs, by the way). Also the Vaquero will wake up when you throw some AF into it. Such a pity to not see Kawa's former ingenious 2053cc V-Twin engine in the Vaquero. The Eluder? It's really growing on me. Indian really raising the bar, very glad for them.
love my Vaquero. I have Harley, Goldwing, Yamaha roadstar but the vaquero is fun fun fun I ride solo. Don't know what these guys are talking about. I rode a Indian chieftain okay if you're willing to pay 25k plus. As long as you're on 2 wheels and enjoy it, that's what you should go for.
HD is small.actually they are short in length.
I have wondered the same thing about the Kawa's 2053cc engine.
@@mytriton54 Unfortunately the tight emission regulations in the US and Europe have made it very difficult to bring back the 2053c beast. I'm afraid the 2053cc engine (or Kawasaki VN2000) will never come back, which makes me shed a tear as it's one of the best engines ever built on a motorcycle.
Took me minute to ponder the absence of the Honda F6b 1800 but then it dawned on me, this was a battle of 2nd best bagger, it was already assumed the F6B was the undisputed king. Well done, had me wondering for a sec.
Where is the Goldwing on this one.
jjacksonjca gold wing its a vacuum cleaner it sounds so light
Gold wing is not a bagger
@@ivancardenas2860 if the 6 cylinder BMW K1600B is a bagger, than the Honda Goldwing flat 6 is too. They also have a bagger version of the full dresser.
@@ivancardenas2860 Goldwing F6B pre 2018 is indeed a bagger and a GREAT one at that, and the Goldwing Standard (non-tour) 2018+ is also a bagger and also a GREAT one at that..Check them out. :)
I agree on that Streetglide windscreen. I own a Chieftain and love the adjustable windscreen.
I absolutely love the looks and ride of the K1600 B and own a H-D Street Glide BUT @longhaulpaul got 100,000 miles plus on the Yamaha Star Venture. (Eluder) and didn't get valves checked until like 50k miles, which were fine and needed no adjustments and had zero issues with the mc for 100k. In my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong but there isn't a touring bike out there besides the Honda Goldwing, that'll give you that comfort and peace of mind for long distance "Touring". If you haven't already, check his 100,000 vid out. Bike still sounds brand new after 100k. Wow!!
Take the Vulcan, get the ECM Ivanized at less than $400 and it will outperform or match the 2 harleys and be $10,000 cheaper
Its actually powered evenly with the road glide, a nod with a flash outperformance it by alot.
you guys did a great job. very good video, was not boring and was very informative.
Vulcan with the best price and common it's kawasaki! That bike will last longer than most of them.
The last Kawasaki I had was a 2007 1500 classic. Engine needed a rebuild at 18000 miles. Never again will I deal with that company.
You are right, it’s common.
Exactly!! Real bike .!!!!!!
vulcanman64 you probably bought it used 😂😂
@mtb supertroll my buddy had a 1600 that lasted over 150k when it finally needed a rebuild.
The only one in this group that even fits someone over 6’ is the Eluder. The rest require lots of add ons to make them comfortable.
I'll take my Cali 1400 Touring over the MGX-21 any day. Stable as hell at speed, and at 2 mph. Great classic look, too.
But it's not a bagger
Long live Victory 😭
Future collector bikes
Miss my Vision, have a CVO RG 117 now
The Vision was ugly as sin. No resale on it for that reason
@@superturboawesome1 says you
@@MrAllDay2u no, says the guys who can't give theirs away... fugly
I love the fact that all these giant engine V-twins got outrun by the little Moto Guzzi. 😆
Man really enjoyed this comparison, tend toward touring models of these, just bought the now extinct "Ultra Classic".
I'm a sorta old dude. I started riding in the dirt in 1969. Never been without a bike since. All kinds of bikes-loved and hated every one of them. Bagger versitility is the closest I've come to satisfaction. My bike is a 1998 Honda Valk bagger. 1520cc Power: 100.00 HP(@ 6000 RPM) Torque: 95.9 ft.lbs(@ 5000 RPM). Six cylinders, six carbs, six into six exhaust. Big? Yup. Heavy? Yup. Unsophisticated by today's standards? Yup. But it's got soul, it's a beast and a blast to ride. I'd change the pegs to be higher and further back, I'd change the seat height up by 2", I'd have a bigger tank for better range, I'd get rid of all that rusty chrome and powder coat , anodize, and stainless EVERYTHING I could black, and I'd add a sixth gear. Other than that Brunhilde is perfect. I find the new bikes competent but a bit vanilla...
Guys should have added the new 2018 gold wing - this test is incomplete without that bike. Since now it is available for testing
100% not available for this test. Unfortunate timing.
Unfortunately, the Gold Wing was not available for this shootout.
what do you mean unavailable? literally their last video before this one was a GL review.
Doesn't mean Honda had a press bike available for this shootout
That was the Gold Wing Tour - with the trunk. The Gold Wing standard (bagger version) is not available yet.
I find it strange you didn`t discuss purchase price. Kawai does what the other bikes do for 8-10k less. You said yourself, Kawi has good power, better ride with more travel than the Harleys. 10K less than the Harleys. Liquid cooled .4 valves/cylinder. Great warranty. The resale thing does not hold water. I have been pricing new and used Harleys for the past 30 years. You lose just as much at resale as with metrics. New The Kawi will be worth 5k lless after purchase and so will the Harleys, maybe even more.
the Kawai is 10K less, and feels like it's 15K less is the problem. The hole bike is cheap plastics with awful fit and finish. If it was 5K less, and felt close to the others, it woulda been a huge deal. And if you think the resale value on Harley/Indian is the same as Japanese bikes, you're a special kind of stupid.
@@HumbertoYi0878
The whole business about Harleys holding their value is bullshit. It's just something else that the Harley clones tell themselves to justify their purchase of an underpowered , poorly engineered, unreliable piece of Milwaukee junk.
Don't believe it? It's easy enough to research.
Kurt that Kawai is a great bike for the price but its not 10k less. That would make it a 10 to 12k bike. You can get into a Street Glide for about 21k.
@@russellnewcomb8542 Cheapest new Street Glides near me are 27,500 plus freight and dock charge. New Vaqueros 16,000
👍🏿 How was the mileage on them? I had a 2016 Victory Magnum but I totaled it. I now have an 2017 Indian Chieftain with the 116 motor, intake and exhaust. It sounds great and it gets up and goes but I have yet to do a road trip. I am hoping you guy get a chance to review the 116 motor.
We already did a quick review of the 116.
www.motorcycle.com/products/thunder-stroke-116-cubic-inch-stage-3-big-bore-kit-review-first-ride
This video was better, with more character than most of the other recent ones. Keep it up.
The Eluder is the way to go, the engine will last forever.
I'm interested but I just can't get over the visuals. It looks like a Goldwing pretending to be a Harley and failing at both.
@@TonberryShuffle Eye of the beholder....
Want to see 2018 Gold wing in group test why not wait for one so its a true test ???????????????
I really liked the BMW when I test road it but I just didn't feel like I would want it all the time for touring. I have always been a Harley guy and still am I went with a road Glide Ultra. But it always comes down to what you like. I like all the bikes and wish I could afford them all! But if I could have a second bike it would be the BMW 1600 B! Great Video!
I want them all!
I ride an HD Road King and really enjoy that bike. But I think that if I was going for another bagger I'd prob start looking at the K1600B. Lots of hills + tight and twisty riding were I live ... bet that'd be the bike for that terrain.
As a person seriously mulling over my purchase options, I have ask "Where was the Goldwing?" Seems incomplete without it.
I was hoping to see how it stacked up here. Why was it omitted from this comparison?
That Guzzi is interesting and weird at the same time. High speed instability? Mama Mia!
Can we get a 2020 updated version of this? Include the Indian challenger, Yamaha Eluder, and the new Goldwing???
Wow never thought I'd hear a reference to Guam in a bagger comparo.
IslandTosh well they are boats...
Hopefully you can do a full dresser version of this video with equivalent versions, thanks
Thanks for the video. I see a lot of comments asking for the Goldwing. It would make sense to have it here. My 2015 F6b sits next to my 02 Harley Night Train in the garage. I bought the F6b after testing the Road and Street Glides, for much less $ than the HDs.
Pros: cost, motor performance and reliability, baggae space, handling. Cons: super windy, so much plastic, cheap paint, horrible comfort on long distances causing more pain than my NT ever has, jerky shaft drive, no infotainment, no 6th gear.
Looking to trade it in. Indian and Harley are at the top of my list, and now I’ll have a look at the Yamaha.
Wtf was the bmw doing on this list?
I know it’s not a full on touring bike but I have put so many miles on Kawasaki’s Concourse and I just love these bikes. My first one was the first year 1986. I bought it used (1992) with 8200 miles on it. When I sold it, it had 378,788 miles on it and the guy rode off on it. The things I had to do to it were. I replaced the timing chain once and the tensioner. Two times I thought the clutch was going bad and both times it was this star shaped washer. Oneof the fingers on the sringsteel washer breaks off and the clutch will slip every once and a while. The first time I bought the friction rings and the steel plates and made a tool to hold the flywheel from turning. When I got the clutch apart everything was in good shape so I replaced the old parts with the new parts and put the old parts in a plastic bag with some oil and kept them. That was at about 140K. The next time was at 295K I took the clutch apart and it was that washer again. So for shits and giggles I checked the thickness of a new friction plate and it was 0.217 then the old plates and they were 0.217. That shocked me I checked all of my old plates and one was 0.215 and one was 0. 214. I had to replace one relay for the lights and then brake pads and oil and filters adjust valves and tires. I sold it in 2008 a bought a 2005 Concourse with 8700 miles on it. That bike had been sitting for a year or two so I took it for a test ride and could tell the carbs needed to be cleaned out. I trailered it home. I live up in the mountains of California in a small town called Twain Harte about 16 straight north of Yosemite. I was working at Gallo as a maintains mechanic on the swing shift. So my bikes get a work out running from 4500 feet above sea level to under 100 feet. The first bike I rode much harder hitting 100 plus almost every day riding to and from work. The 2005 bike I rode a little less aggressively may be 85 to 90 most times and once in a while 100 or more mph. I am 69 years old now and have slowed it down on the street and keep the faster stuff for my RX7 and the race track. So the 2005 bike I have 55 k on it now. I had to change some O-ring’s because of coolant leaking and I had a radiator hose pop off and had to fix that on the side of the road once. I pulled the carbs out and cleaned the pilot jest and was good to go. Other than that Oil changes, plugs, set the valves, one set of brake pads and tires. And one windscreen (Dam Owl) that’s it. I have taken me bikes camping and it held all that I needed to camp for two or three days. They get around 42 mpg if you ride like a sane man and I have gotten 50 mpg once trying very hard riding like my grandma. I got 37 mpg riding like an insane man like a stupid kid. I love these bike because they ride great they handle good (not like a sports bike) and best of all both of these bikes I picked up for $3500 each. So till me were else you can get a bike that has all that and can get hundreds of thousands of reliable miles for so little.
The beautiful Yamaha Eluder for me😋
You guys just missed out the new GoldWing 2018
Is the HP on the Eluder real or a misprint? 75hp with a 1850cc motor?
Really need the Goldwing
Great video/review, but why on earth did you toss that 6cyl BMW in with a bunch of Vtwin baggers??
I'll be happy to have a race with my "mini van" Chieftain against any sport bike around. Five hundred miles first one there and the rider can walk 100 feet at the end wins.
2018 K1600 GTL here, the gearshift assist pro works quite well on upshift and downshifts for me. Just let 100% off the throttle when downshifting. (Doesn't matter throttle on upshifts, but its at the most fun at redline and WOT!)
Why no Goldwing?
Is there a full dresser version of this shoot out eg Road Glide Ultra, Gold Wing, Star Venture TC etc. Thanks
They are all drag queens so my only question is which one has the best corner clearence?
Robert Polkamp, in the Bagger class the Guzzi for sure. So, they better don't talked about it....
I'm a german Biker and to me the BMW ist not a Bagger, it is a Sporttouring Bike.
Which bike is the biggest? For a tall person
Most uninformative comparison I've seen. Almost everyone had conclusive decision. They were saying idiotic things like if I was going to buy one it would be this but if I wanted one to put miles on it would be this. What don't you so called experts get? When we watch a review we want to see acceleration tests, we want to know how each one handles, we want to know how their brakes are. Being that they are baggers we want to know about storage and comfort and we want reasons for your opinions. To be honest all these manufacturers are stupid for letting you take these bikes because you're really not doing anything but going for a ride because as far as a comparison goes after watching this I still have no idea which is the better bike. Thanks for waisting 16 minutes.
I would love to see this same comparison done near the Tail of the Dragon in Tennessee. To see these in the mountains running up that high would be interesting.
Interesting how a lot of you 'the badge' makes the difference on what you would buy verses what is the better bagger when actually riding it and what is most versatile bike.
why no goldwing?
Absolutely NO QUESTION if I liked the video, this is awesome...
I am in the market for three of the bikes you guys rode...
BMW K16B
Road Glide
Star Eluder
NOW...number one looks goes for the Eluder, second the Road Glide and third the K16B, but according to all reviews read, the Eluder was a mistake by yamaha in many ways and that scared me as many people are saying the depriciation is going to be HUGE, the Road Glide is the REALLY NICE being a Harley, but TOO expensive and little technology comparing to the others, and BMW the techiest, power, comfort, but do not look like a bagger, even though I am a sports bike guy, but I am now 52 years of age and I want a CHANGE.
Dificult choices to make...I love the ELUDER, I like the Road Glide and I care for the BMW, but that does not solve my problem...
Thanks a lot guys...
LCL
How did you leave out the Honda Goldwing? Maybe I'm missing something.
What's going on with the camper at 9:12? It's too short of an overhang to be a 5th wheel, but it doesn't look like a bumper-pull either. What would you do with a little bitty overhang like that? Not bashing, I've just never seen one like that before.
By the way, which gear are you using on the Vaquero for roll-on throttle response.
Would love to see the new Gold Wing run against this group, shame they couldn't get a press bike to you for this.
No doubt, I was like where is the Gold Wing???
MY thoughts too.
I know it suck to do the work again, but i agree with mrvwbug44, gotta get the gold wing in there. Make it happen guys!!!!
180miles per tank up is fine. chance to go take a piss, stretch the legs, check out the local attractions
Agree with Bobbo Morgan about the GoldWing fuel capacity. I've been on many trips where a 250 mile range (on up to 300) was a very good thing. Another aspect he left out is it's big decrease in storage capacity. I rode my BMW GTL down when I demo'ed the Wing, and compared them side by side. The storage has been substantially decreased; it's quite a bit smaller. It's definitely less than on the GTL, and the inside of the Wing saddlebags have some intrusions which might make the use of liner bags a little squeezed too. Two up the GTL handles our efficient packing for a 10-14 day trip, but I'm not sure my wife would appreciate being restricted another 20% or so. ;)
For 2019 add the Honda Goldwing Standard... Please.... I liked the fact that you did a pre and after test vote...
Low light right from the beginning.....rode only at night?
Mallubiker Bijilal very poor video in this.
12:58 - 13:02 “That’s a lot of cubic hairs!” 😂😂😂
How far do you consider far...to the point that you would need a "touring" bike?
Yes the Vaq is a great bike very reliable,gonna be my second bike
Nice review guys
have you guys ever included a gold wings in your shootouts?
afraid of the Honda bagger?
I think they were looking at "bagger" in sense of saddle bags, but no touring trunk, but I think goldwing even has a model that meets that definition. And I agree, a touring comparison without a goldwing is not a good comparison....
Also, moto guzzi? Is anyone really buying that? I'd replace either the road glide or the guzzi with the goldwing F6B
If HD is paying their way through a bias review....yes!
No Gold Wing in the mix?🙄 Come on!
Looked like a comparison of apples and oranges to me. And who brought the pear ? Also what is missing is " a lot of info".
Toss up between the BMW 1600B and the Harley Street Glide. Those two are the best out of the group. Power, looks, and overall cool factor.
Baggers? What about 2018 Goldwing?
Awesome mention on the resale value. Easy HD, Indian, and BMW will throttle the others in that category.
I WOULD BUY THE ELUDER FOR EATING MILES & ISN'T THAT THE REASON YOU BUY A BAGGER ? THE ONLY BAGGER THAT COULD CHANGE MY MIND MIGHT BE THE NEW GOLD WING !
No goldwing, subpar video, and unnecessary politicization.
I’ll stick with fort nine and revzilla.
The Goldwing is a touring bike. The video was set around baggers. Did you see the Harley Ultra? Did you see the Road Glide Ultra? Why is everybody crying about the gold wing?
The Pellet Cooker why is the BMW there?
It’s a bagger segment idiot
@@thepelletcooker5118 Honda F6B. Yeah now go and look at your shoes. There you go, before you start complaining, do some research.
I have an Electra Glide and a road star, buddy I've got a chub for that eluder, I know I "shouldn't" but Damn it's bad ass lookin
Why can't Harley fix that damn suspension when the Harley guy chose the Indian I said wow
Harley is too cheap to put cartridge forks on a 30 grand bike (don't let that base price fool you, these approach 30 with options). The Indian has showa cartridge forks and at least the one I test rode handled great for a cruiser.
I’d like the Indian with the new 116 inch engine package now that I think about it . I had a 2005 Harley which I modified like a street glide and to me I never had a problem with it’s handling . I put Avon tires on it and they worked great.
Their riders value the "slammed" look over a functioning shock. People don't buy baggers to tour on anyway. These are just bar hoppers with big stereos. The Electra Glide has a full travel shock.
Short suspension is built into the special trims. Rear is adjustable. Personally I prefer the ride of the Ultras.
street glides or road glides are not 30, even the special editions *not CVO, though*. dont spread bad information. 21k-26k aint 30
Good job guys on putting together info about these bikes. I gotta love the comments. Can’t test em all guys, good job Sean with a little education about the dams background. Also love your real world body type. Beautiful motorcycles, wish I could replace my st1300.
Thanks for a great review. Beautiful machines. BMW seems out of place for this review. Would have liked to see the Ultra's in this shootout. They cure the short suspension woes designed into the special trims. Would love to ride an Eluder/Venture. Been intrigued by this bike. Love the direction Yamaha is going. They and Indian are all causing everyone to step up their game resulting in better bikes. Definitely would worry about Yamaha long term value. If the Venture/ Eluder was liquid cooled it would be a perfect bike. Hard to loose on any of these great machines. My vote is Roadglide all day. But I'm a Roadglide guy.
Where's the Goldwing, V Star Roadliner, or Stratoliner S? How about the Motous bikes?
Ummm, so what's the final score out come on your "scoring"?
I'm personally a Harley fan and LOVE my 2019 Ultra Limited but i have to agree with the last person that left a comment. .. "Where is the Honda Goldwing"? It surely would have done well here
Wow, you guys.... This... Video review thing... You're leaving a lot to be desired. Presentation of neither the bikes nor the testers was present, in no form or way were there any sort of systematic breakdown of neither models nor opinions of the reviewers, bunch of random shots and a "okay that's day one complete!" thrown in somewhere - with a terrible summary situation at the end of the video.....
You've got to rethink this TH-cam-thing, maybe hire someone who understands the format.... Just a tip....
Agreed - they didn't even introduce which models they were reviewing. The beginning of the video "we've made it to the dam dam and that's it for day one."
yeah that left me totally confused. They didnt even list the bikes really in the info.
Because they are selling Bull 💩
"... no systematic breakdown...of [the] opinions of the reviewers..." I was thinking it may have been only me who felt like that. I completely agree with you.
Wow, really two Harley's and no Goldwing. I will go back over to the other mags.
If it was my money... one selling point is if I am out and about somewhere in America, hundreds of miles from home and have bike trouble, where is the nearest dealership? how far is it to tow it? will they be open? will they have parts available or do I have to wait days? do they have experienced mechanics on staff?
According to this, Harley is the clear choice for you, by far. They most likely have the biggest dealership network in north america, plenty of harley everywhere so part availability is not an issue and they have simple mecanic, so it's easy to repair.
Hum.. interesting. My thought process has always been: which bike has such good reliability that I won't need a tow and a fix.
Jaquenth LaMonte basically youhave two options, buy a reliable bike or harley.
My Harleys going back to 1999 (6) have never left me stranded. FWIW
?? Where was the Honda? Goin a keep my Shovel FLT but Impressed with the F 6 if I actually tour again.
I'm a Harley guy and was surprised by the Goldwing not being reviewed.
i dont get the hate for this video
if you want a performance bagger go with bmw ,
stylish bagger? road glide or street glide ,
want a nicer suspension bagger ? chieftain dark horse
all around bagger feel? the eluder,
got no money? go for the kawasaki
want something different? MGX-21
Would love to see a Victory in the mix,even though 2017 was the end. But well see right
I have an Indian Challenger and I love it. The Yamaha and BMW are gorgeous bikes. Almost rode a BMW at a ride event but ran out of time. I do not like the Kawasaki at all. Since I’m a Challenger guy, I will say I am not a fan of the Road Glide, but I really like the Street Glide. I was going back and forth between the Chieftain (with the new fairing) and Challenger and am happy with my choice. I agree with you about the Yamaha and BMW not having a traditional bagger look, and I would definitely ride one first if I could find one. I would give them both a serious look.
Should have waited for the new Goldwing Bagger
Black Dog keep up? You might need to do a small amount of research, the BMW is the only bike that could give the goldwing some trouble "keeping up" and I'm referring to the "old"goldwing
why 2 harleys? same bike ,different fairing. I don't see the reasoning here.
the eluder looks like a big man's bike. harleys has old school dimensions. the Vaquero is the only one that is a good value. 10k cheaper.
Agreed. I have and ride a 2014 nomad and I love it. As far as the street glide goes there are a lot of them for sale here in south east mi. I asked a previous owner of one, and he said that low pro front wheel makes handling a pain. This review should have separated the frame mount fairings vs fork mount. Had a guzzi once loved its agility, but there is only one dealer here in Michigan. My nomad wind buffets one freeway so, I am going to try my first frame mounted fairing bike and that will probably be a voyager or eluder.
Why 2 Hardley ‘s ? In case one breaks down !
Fixed faring road glide is better.
I had the street glide and now have the 2019 fltrxs road glide. I will never go back to a fork mounted faring.
A good value and being cheaper are two different things.
Then just buy you metric and shut up.
Most people that bash the Harley is because 1 they cannot afford it
or 2nd do not want to commit to a bigger investment.
That is just the plain damn truth.
Good vid
I'm not big on BMW's but I like the looks of that one.
The Victory is still in my heart.
Lines are getting blurred .. I'm old school bikes with fairings and hard bags were tourers .. baggers are windshield and bags usually soft bags sometimes hard ..
Article was informative, glad you included some bike that are usually overlooked
Been riding many many years had all kinds of bike hate to say it but Harley-Davidson has the best dealer Network anywhere when you're touring is awful nice to know
I would go with the road glide or the Indian . I’d like to ride the Moto Guzzi as it’s different in a cool way . I’m wondering as probably many are why there wasn’t a Honda represented ?
I have a 1976 Huffy Thunder Road,...why didn't they include Huffy? Huffy is a good bike!
I think it's not fair to bring a dark horse, then you complain that it doesn't have a passenger seat!!! U should have brought the chieftain!
It is a cheiftain
Nah bill that’s a road master