I graduated from highschool in 2005. The new 3v Mustangs had just hit the local Ford dealerships. Knowing the newer Coyote powered cars make more power but the 05-09 will always have a special place in my heart.
Incredible quality once again mate. I salute you for spending the hours needed to pull this together! Oh and the power looks fantastic. This NA setup should suit your turbo setup down the road. 👊👍
@@jacobspeeds That's what I'm looking for but a Shelby GT500. I love the looks and performance of that car and you still have many mods to make to make it a serious beast And I have a '15 Challenger SRT (with all Hellcat visual/performance parts FROM THE FACTORY) but have never been truly happy with her - never even named her and only put 5500 on her so far. So the plan is to try and find a dealer with a fairly low mileage model with whom I can trade, but hard to get a righteous trade if there's no really money in it and because of what my car is, NADA has trade in value of my car at a median of $34k. Whatsthevin.com slapped me in the face with a cash offer of $29k proving that my best option(s) are either a private sale (which I honestly don't feel like dealing with, even more insulting process) or dealer trade. Yeah, there are a ton of SRT's out there, but not many like this one in the 2015 model year - the total premium package is pretty much a 2018 T/A offering. So, if any of y'all know of a dealer with a nice '14 Shelby GT500 in their inventory (which hopefully didn't have the SNOT beat out of it and is still stock - like mine is - I don't think I ever even hit 100 because I live in NYC (but moving to PA by the Spring, where I can actually enjoy driving again), please hit me up! I love this guy's honest content and he's not some kid who's looking to wrap himself around a tree. HOWEVER, I knew there was no way in hell he was going to hit close to 700 wheel in a naturally aspirated 3V 4.6. It's just not enough displacement without boost to get there. Love what he did with his GT though. Looks sweet. There IS something about this gen 3V that I love but I agree, the 13 - 14 is just a different animal, especially the Shelby!
You really can't beat the design of the 05-09 S197. The "facelift" smoothed all the hard lines out of the car. The worst offender is around the wheels. 05-09 had very nice looking flares. The tail end is much nicer too. The facelifted car's rear is far too smooth and fat, and the tail lights on the 2010-2012 (I believe...) were just awful. Like a child's toy. The later models did have very nice tail lights though. IMO the 05-09 S197 is the closest we've come to the 1965 Fastback design that is every guy's wet dream. I bought one brand new in 2007 and still have it! Great cars.
@@AKcelsior I feel the same about the rear tail lights, it looks like they tried to improve the looks with a cheap after market add on imo (not knocking any ones ride just not liking the looks) the front is ok I guess.... the S197 feel is old school imo and I should know I have had in the past two 70 mustangs a second generation Capri and my 89 mustang lx 5.0 conv.. when I found my 08 V6 auto a few years ago it was a fun old school feel 100% and now my new to me 09 GT conv 4.6 5spd is what I have been looking for in a modern car, i'm on top of the world and love this 45th so much.
"Man gets frustrated trying to squeeze NA power out of 4.6 Modular" Ahh yes, a tale as old as time. In all seriousness, this is a great video. And a great resource for guys looking at 2009, 2010 or whatever mustangs and wondering what the cost savings is worth. Having switched over to a coyote on my 3rd mustang I know I'm betraying my roots and I still miss that 4.6 sound, but the benefits are hard to ignore if any type of track use is on the table.
So, considering your previous dislike for the frpp intake manifold, what brought you back around to it? In your opinion, is the mid-range torque loss worth the top end gain for a street car?
Mark Gray I think if your 3 valve is a daily then yeah all that top end gain isn’t worth it, unless you go around looking for cars to roll race, it just really depends on what you plan to do
slightly off topic here but there's a lot of 2010 Mustangs around here (bay area california) lately (v6 and v8 models) not sure why. I've also been seeing < 10,000 mile 2010 V6 blue mustangs out and about, too (can tell, no rock chips on front fascia and no license plates). Kinda neat but not sure what the sudden surge of 2010 mustangs is about.
Another '07er here. Yesterday my boss was bragging about his S550 and that it does this and it does that, I said, "Yeah, but it just doesn't look right." Conversation over...
@@guitarded197 I personally think the 15 to 17s look way better but I guess I thats the nature of judging looks. Its subjective. I will say though having driven many of both the s550 is in a difference league performance and handling wise.
@@guitarded197 Then your boss is stupid, and so are you to a lesser degree. Sure the fifth gens look better, but the S550s look good too, and performance is performance.
I’m not a big ford fan, but I love cars in general, and I respect, and love how you are trying to make a vehicle fast that is ALL MOTOR instead of just adding boost. Best of luck on your journey! Im looking forward to the next episode!
Although I do not have the power goals you have with my 3v, I really like going through your videos and seeing the progression. Good job once again, as usual!!!
Been watching your videos since I got my S197 GT. A friend had done a ton of work to it before selling it to me. I'm interested in getting close to 500WHP in the coming years. Your channel has been a great source of information, and your production quality is always top notch.
Dude i loved this video, loved the attention to detail, the hp comparisons even with the ls3 camaro. Very interesting. everything about the vid was really cool. Awesome job!
I like the dyno curve comparison with the more modern vehicles. I would really like to see and hear some in car footage, I'll bet that cam sounds sick!
Love it ! Thanks for giving us feedback after soooooooo long ! Keep it up ! Doing us a bigger favor of saving us your viewers money and time and choosing a good set up not just burning our money !
I agree. My car is a beast and I live 20 miles from the Atlantic Ocean in the Charleston, South Carolina area. I have the Brenspeed tune with all bolt-ons except the Ford Racing Manifold and Throttle Body and she acts like an animal.
I am originally from Columbia, SC. I moved to Cheyenne, WY and bought a 2005 Mustang GT. It felt sluggish at this elevation level, so I visited Columbia, SC in July of this year and the difference in sound and horsepower was Phenomenal!! Being at sea level everyone thought my car was modded which it isn't. I'm dying to move back to sea level
So glad you’re back. Your videos make me want to dig back into my 2008 Bullitt.. my mods are almost the same as yours (stock intake/TB) otherwise pretty much spot on.. Power numbers are similar as well, anyways. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, excellent series. Thanks!
Great job👍👍. I have an 05 gt that I absolutely love, even though it sometimes seems like the 3V is the stepchild of the last 15yrs in the mustang family, I love the 3V, glad you are showing how to properly build. thanks
I wonder how long it will take for someone to take the S197 body and put it on a S550 chassis (if that’s even possible). If they do, they could have the best of both worlds for S197 fans. I owned both an S197 and currently own a S550. I like both for what they are, but have to admit the S550 is my favorite.
I’m happy you finally got a good tune coupled with the FRPP manifold. I installed the FRPP manifold and BBK shorty headers on my 3v and had peak gains of 18whp and 9wtq. But as you explain in the video, this doesn’t tell the whole story. I gained an average 36WTQ and 24WHP from 4,800RPM to 6,600RPM. The personality of the car is completely changed.
Man I really like your channel I like the way you break it down and make it simple and easy and all the work that you did to get there is amazing Jean taking stuff off and putting it back on and explaining it and I really really appreciate your breakdown of all the things that you've done and a comparison with Camaro and the Coyote and and all that that is really really cool
@@Four_Eyes I can't say it enough how much I love this body.From experience hands down I would buy a 07 GT500.My 07 Shelby GT is a beautiful looking car. But trying to compete with the car's of today you need a car that can make big power and the 07 09 GT500 is the perfect car too make that happen.
You need to keep doing these videos. Not only because of your car, but because of how damn talented you are at making videos. You have the talent and the editing skills to become a 100k + Subscriber channnel. Eventually even non mustang fans will see your content and watch it because of how well done your videos are. Keep up the great work, and keep pumping out the videos ( I know with as well done as these are, they HAVE to take a lot of time to make)
Hey thanks for kind words. I'll be back soon. They do take awhile to make, but waiting on tuning and body shops can take anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks, those delays are hard to get around.
Really appreciate the time you took to post this video! I have 2005 GT with some of the mods you discussed and curious about updating additional mods (cams, intake)
The 2005 - 2009 retro look is awesome , 3v w/long tubes and cams sound mean , too easy to buy a new car, great video and content, there are so many of these cars around makes great content for a lot folks !
awesome video man yet too see a video that actually explains power more than just peak numbers. wish more people went into things with these things in mind.
6:47 you're describing runner length based on air velocity. It's more about rpm. When the intake valve closes incoming air is suddenly forced to stop and compresses against it. This creates a pressure wave that is reflected back up the runner. When the signal reaches the end of the runner it is reflected back toward the intake valve again (see diffuser). This precharges the incoming air. To optimize air flow you want the intake valve to be opened as the reflected pressure wave is incoming. Higher RPM means that a shorter distance is needed for the pressure wave (signal) to travel. That's why short runners work at higher rpm. Longer runners are found on vehicles requiring more low end torque. Torque is a function of cylinder fill. Forced induction torque curves are so different because cylinder fill is less dependent on rpm. Then, horsepower is torque x rpm. I have a sheet metal intake on my LS1. PCV system on these allows a lot of oil into the intake. I was missing a manifold bolt, and this resulted in an oil leak. It didn't occur that an intake gasket leak would cause a mystery oil spray mess. When I put a new bolt in the problem went away. I've known for a while about the whole runner length thing I described, but I didn't think it made that much pressure. Trust me it's substantial. Excellent work on your 3V btw.
Hey great comment, appreciate this info. Check out this study on intake runner length versus torque when you have some time: www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/emr-adj-length-intake/
@@Four_Eyes That is interesting. I wouldn't have expected dips in torque curves. If I had to guess an intake runner has to chosen based on wave number of the compression. 1st order would be a little over 14 ft for 4800rpm. Obviously runners are much shorter. The question is how to calculate the runner harmonics and apply it in the real world. I'm beginning to wonder if it so complex that the work is done empirically, as in your link. The problem is difficult enough simply assuming the speed of sound at STP conditions. Further calculations have to be done to find the pulse width. Then apply that over an rpm range. MAP sensors don't account for acoustics...
Been following your video's for awhile its been loads of fun and very interesting especially since your spending the money and I'm learning alot I recently bought a 2008 with only 9000 miles now i know what not to do to get more power thanks.
Yeah, the 2010 sure is an odd one. It looks like a 5.0, but has the 4.6 and a 5 speed. I have one that I drive everyday, and I have to say it's really great! From the factory it made 315 HP and 325 ft-lbs of torque at the crank. I'm sure those numbers are closer to 270 now, but I'll be honest, the dang thing still rips! I just took a ride in a 2011 California Special today, it has the 5.0, and while it was definitely faster, it doesn't feel like an extra ten thousand dollars worth of fun. I have the 5 speed manual myself, and I've beaten similar year Camaro SS and Dodge R/Ts without redlining or pushing to the max. The other day I just barely beat a SRT8 Challenger, it even surprised me. I got clapped by a Subaru with AWD though, so there's always that. I live in Louisiana, so I'm very sea level, even below LOL. Also, the 2010 gets to 60mph in about 4.9s, which is nothing to laugh at, but that's in good conditions launching at about 2100RPM. With a smaller tire, decent prep, and good weather, I think we'd all be impressed at what that car could do 0-60 in. Also keep in mind that the thing weights about 3600 wet, no driver. Take the spare and all the other crap out, and you're super light compared to the GMs and Chryslers. Camaro about 4100-4200lbs, and Challengers around 4200-4400. Even though they eclipse the Stang's power, they are basically carrying a 700-800lb weight. Adding 100ish HP doesn't do much when you also add 700 pounds to your car. I've been chopped by plenty of cars, but I have also been surprised to what I can still outrun. 2010 model year is pretty nice, personally I prefer the body over the 05-09. Both are nice though. My favorite is when some loud ass truck is next to me revving and he thinks I'm slow as fuck cause my car looks faded and stock, which it is, and I just clap his cheeks when the light turns green. Unless of course I fail the launch in spectacular fashion and look like a dipshit. When I get it right though, can't lie, feel like Dale or Senna, lol.
Great video bro! I my self like the s 197 I have a 2008 GT/CS and love it. I've done some of the advancements but I think I'm going to follow what you did. Thanks for an excellent video!
Very good video. We achieved very similar numbers with some comp cams NSR cams on one of my student’s GT. I think we put down about 350 to the tires on a mustang dyno. I was pretty surprised since I’m used to the ls platform. Good work working your way through the airflow bottle neck game.
I commented on this video 10 months ago, and i'm proud to say I pickup my very own 3v in 3 days. God blessith I stayed true to my word and lordey she's a comin' home to me real soon! Not sure what that was, i'm just very excited 😂
I'd consider this particular set up if I were content with the 4.6l 3 valves maximum n/a output of about 430 crank hp. Realistically, it is an adequate amount of horsepower for fun. Good build. Ford Racing had a package like this available a couple years ago, and the power your making is what they advertised. Right on. . .
Man as a V6 owner, somehow I love following this haha. I'm also very happy with my older engine because of the 05-09 aesthetic. I can't wait to see what you'll pull out of your 3v in the end!
@@trystanswansonart Yeah it's in a though spot with the 4.6 V8 and the 3.7 V6 on the market in roughly a similar price class. It helps though if you just enjoy the engine for what it is and stop comparing. I have plenty of moments where I am pleasantly surprised by what the 4.0 can do, and it's carried me faithfully through roadtrips of 3k+ miles, so I have a personal sense of loyalty to this car haha.
I had the 4.0 pony package. The 3V with a MT is so much more fun to drive though and has less reliability issues off the dealership lot. 4.0 is good tho but now seeing < 100k GT 3V going for under 7 grand it is a no brainer which one to get. All the used car market makes it look like I spent too much on both cars though oh well. Thank god for ebay and stuff I could get on the side, phew.
@@thedude1866 For the used v6 I'd definitely go with the 3.7 over the 4.0 and I'd laugh at all the 3.7 owners that hated on the V8 when I spent less on a preowned car than they did on a new one. ;) I see 3.7's EVERYWHERE literally these days, nothing at all special about them but very, very easy to find and on the cheap. A lot of people that own them don't seem to care about them not sure why it is, I see a lot with dings and dents, haven't been washed for months, etc. I would treat one as well as my GT if I owned one, honestly.
@@dennisstith2860 there is literally nothing wrong in reliability with the 3v 4.6 GT. We have an 07 with over 320,000 miles on it that has literally never had any work done besides routine basic maintenance.
Great vid foreyes. I agree the S197 blows away the styling of the 2010-2014 mustang but power suffers. I’m working on building my 2007 GT/CS using natural aspiration. I’m up to about 350RWHP using TB, Headers, Xpipe, Cat-Back and tune. My goal is to reach 400RWHP (for now😉.) Keep the vids coming and rock on.
Like i was suggesting earlier in a previous vid you did a few years back, if you did a 4.10 rear end gear upgrade, it won't change numbers, but it will be a big launch difference.
I heard 2V makes power way easier and smoother than the 3 valve due to the design, you should race a similarly powered 2V from the model before and see how y’all do.
This just popped up in my recommendations as I have been thinking about picking up a 3V. I like the body style as well. Mine would be more of a cruiser, so from what you have outlined it seems I would not really need to go past what you have done in stage 2 to be satisfied. Great video; very informative. Appreciate the detail on what you have done.
That 3.7 imho is the bang for your buck. Damned things are a dime a dozen where I live and I imagine in other states like Florida they probably are even less $$. I think if I was getting a 2013 I might consider that 3.7, super cheap. The 4.0 was a good engine if I am not mistaken but it had stigma in the Mustang community and just wasn't up to snuff for the car to have. I used to own one, it was fine but paired with an auto it wasn't the most fun to drive. it was pretty good though.
I remember seeing the s197 platform time I seen the a covetable at 40th Of at Nashville speedway what great looking car timeless deign👍👍👍👍👍👍 nice increase in power your car is really clean looking.
The heads are holding you back now, and will need to be addressed in the future if you want to wring all the power out of that 3valve. Great series! Your production values are top-notch! Look forward to the next one.
I also have one......2004 Mach 1........I no it won't make near the power cammed but dam she's going to sound nice .....with plenty of power to get you in trouble and will last a little longer...... hopefully 😂
mistress313 Tons of potential in the 4.6 4V, you just need an intake manifold and ignition system that will allow to pull and make power up around Coyote-style rpm. th-cam.com/video/BoYIgjhHgvQ/w-d-xo.html
All motor just isn't cost effective in those things. Forge the bottom end and boost it over 600hp edit: the 03-04 cams run out of steam after 5800 rpm even though the recline stretches to 7k, because the cams are borrowed from the cobra.
I feel the same way about these 05-09 mustangs, I love the way they look reminds me of a 68 fastback. My car is an 05 mineral grey I built to drift has hot rod cams, jlt series 3, full straight pipe no cats no mufflers custom tuned by Lito mds, bc coilovers, eBay Hydro e brake, car gets it but I’d imagine it’s gonna chuck a rod soon lol
Great video. Useful info, clearly explained, and right to the point... it's obvious you know what you're talking about, which can be rare with YT car/ modding content... BTW, totally agree about the 05-09's... they're a clean, beautiful car. The 4.6's are fantastic, durable, fun engines even if the newer stuff makes more power... and they've really proven themselves in NASA's Spec Iron Mustang racing series.
Awesome man great looking ride with amazing sound.......should bring a smile everytime you gas it!! Look forward to more great quality videos in the future! take care
LOL!!! "buuut I really like how the '05-'09 Mustangs look" That's literally me.... arguably my favourite body style... So sad they have such a 'lacking' motor in them :'(...
@Richard Skipper They have 300hp and 310 torque to the crank :S Like 275hp to the rear wheels. The motor is lacking not necessarily because of power but because the power delivery is often regarded as shitty and what not.
@@OctaneStreet The one in the video, that you just watched has very close to the numbers Richard Skipper states. It would be a fun and reliable daily driver. I daily my 2010 with the same setup.
@@moburto07gt Ohhh I thought he was talking about a Stock 05-09 GT. Yours being a 2010 means its the first model with the coyote block though so you've got even more of a beast on your hands.
Great well done video. I owned a 2012 5.0 6 speed last year. I currently own a 04 z06 and picking up a 05 GT 3v auto. Believe it or not that 05 is the best driving one out of the 3. I think because it was never beaten on, original owner, and garaged since new. All this leads to it being a very nice smooth daily. I probably will not go as wild as you(maybe just intake/tune) but I am glad to know it can compete with the big boys!
I have similar mods on my 06 and the best I could ever do was 350 to the wheels with a custom tune. I didn’t have the manifold or throttle body, but it’s really limited by the displacement. Good luck with the rest of the build. It’s a nice looking car...very tasteful.
Karl Hopkins 100% worth, 3Vs have leaking OPA cam phasers, self-grenading undersized roller followers, separating spark plugs, and are overall pieces of shit that ALSO sound like shit.
@@TheDude2111 depends on what you want from the ending result. Yeah you could swap in a 5.4 but the 4.6 & 5.4 both have powder forged piston rods in their reciprocating assembly that blow into dust if you push them past 10 lbs of boost from a blower or turbo. A good stroker kit would come with a forged crank high strength piston rods and depending on which route you go boosted or naturally aspirated a piston that can handle the increased stress from boost or a longer crank throw. Most engines being boosted get a low compression piston design to prevent predetonation and most naturally aspirated engines get a piston designed to increase compression. Your truck engine would have powder forged rods if you get an engine out of a factory boosted car then you would have a "little" stronger rod design.
@@jeremiahpike6372 maybe yes maybe no Hyundai factory rods suck but 10 psi on a 5.4 is like 12 on a 5.0 plus faster spool time. Also it's all in the tune, the 302 blocks were thought to only hold 500 ish hp but now there are guys making 800 whp and multiple passes
@@TheDude2111 Displacement has no bearing on the amount of stress an assembly can handle the quality of the parts with which the engine is assembled is what changes the point at which the stress of operation is to great for it. Also there is no correlation between displacement and boost pressures. A diesel engine can be pushed to 100psi of boost with modifications. A great example of this is the exact engine in which you just referred. The pushrod 5.0 has better rods than the 4.6/5.4 as in they aren't powder forged units. The 5.0 pushrod engine if in good condition can handle around 18lbs of boost with no issue other than the structural limits of the block. The crank and pistons in the pushrod 5.0 are both forged. Forged steel crankshaft and forged aluminum pistons. The rods connecting the two are also not heated and pressed together steel dust into the shape of a rod. The pushrod 5.0 had rods cast from molten steel. This is why the pushrod 5.0 can actually make more power than the structural integrity of the block. Ford overbuilt the pushrod 5.0 and the underbuilt the 4.6 as far as the internal parts anyway. Now yes you are right it's possible to get over 1000hp from a Windsor block providing that you actually add structural rigidity to the block. Lower main cap girdles and a lifter valley girdle and studding the cylinder heads can get you more than 800hp worth of block. To make that kind of power with the Windsor design boost of some kind or nitrous would be required. The new coyote is the next generation of the 4.6 design fixing all the problems the 4.6/5.4 had and also using separate camshafts for intake and exhaust valves on the coyote. The coyote is a modern version of the 4.6. breaking the camshaft up into two separate units for intake and exhaust allows for complete timing adjustment on both the intake and exhaust which adds lots of drivability to an engine capable of doing much more power wise.
@john jones that's the crazy thing about it they're using 88 to 93 blocks with the factory trw pistons every thing I've read states leave fuel fat around 10.5 to one and rpms under 6k and it'll hold (I think most of these guys are gapping rings to .030 ). It's a ticking timebomb but talk about bang for your buck.
I graduated from highschool in 2005. The new 3v Mustangs had just hit the local Ford dealerships. Knowing the newer Coyote powered cars make more power but the 05-09 will always have a special place in my heart.
Thank you for showing us 3v owners some quality content.
for real though i’ve learned a lot from this man lol
Incredible quality once again mate. I salute you for spending the hours needed to pull this together! Oh and the power looks fantastic. This NA setup should suit your turbo setup down the road. 👊👍
Best graphical representation I've ever seen in a car video. I salute you as well!
I would 5.0 swap it and supercharge it or try and get a 2013 GT500 motor with a SC attached
You're right about the looks of your model/year. The car looks fantastic.
@Nick J ..... it did come with a cobra engine tho
@Nick J it looks good but the '13-'14 facelift of this is much sexier and my fav gen
@@jacobspeeds That's what I'm looking for but a Shelby GT500. I love the looks and performance of that car and you still have many mods to make to make it a serious beast
And I have a '15 Challenger SRT (with all Hellcat visual/performance parts FROM THE FACTORY) but have never been truly happy with her - never even named her and only put 5500 on her so far. So the plan is to try and find a dealer with a fairly low mileage model with whom I can trade, but hard to get a righteous trade if there's no really money in it and because of what my car is, NADA has trade in value of my car at a median of $34k. Whatsthevin.com slapped me in the face with a cash offer of $29k proving that my best option(s) are either a private sale (which I honestly don't feel like dealing with, even more insulting process) or dealer trade. Yeah, there are a ton of SRT's out there, but not many like this one in the 2015 model year - the total premium package is pretty much a 2018 T/A offering.
So, if any of y'all know of a dealer with a nice '14 Shelby GT500 in their inventory (which hopefully didn't have the SNOT beat out of it and is still stock - like mine is - I don't think I ever even hit 100 because I live in NYC (but moving to PA by the Spring, where I can actually enjoy driving again), please hit me up!
I love this guy's honest content and he's not some kid who's looking to wrap himself around a tree. HOWEVER, I knew there was no way in hell he was going to hit close to 700 wheel in a naturally aspirated 3V 4.6. It's just not enough displacement without boost to get there. Love what he did with his GT though. Looks sweet. There IS something about this gen 3V that I love but I agree, the 13 - 14 is just a different animal, especially the Shelby!
You really can't beat the design of the 05-09 S197. The "facelift" smoothed all the hard lines out of the car. The worst offender is around the wheels. 05-09 had very nice looking flares. The tail end is much nicer too. The facelifted car's rear is far too smooth and fat, and the tail lights on the 2010-2012 (I believe...) were just awful. Like a child's toy. The later models did have very nice tail lights though.
IMO the 05-09 S197 is the closest we've come to the 1965 Fastback design that is every guy's wet dream.
I bought one brand new in 2007 and still have it! Great cars.
@@AKcelsior I feel the same about the rear tail lights, it looks like they tried to improve the looks with a cheap after market add on imo (not knocking any ones ride just not liking the looks) the front is ok I guess.... the S197 feel is old school imo and I should know I have had in the past two 70 mustangs a second generation Capri and my 89 mustang lx 5.0 conv.. when I found my 08 V6 auto a few years ago it was a fun old school feel 100% and now my new to me 09 GT conv 4.6 5spd is what I have been looking for in a modern car, i'm on top of the world and love this 45th so much.
I missed this series. Glad to get another video
"Man gets frustrated trying to squeeze NA power out of 4.6 Modular" Ahh yes, a tale as old as time. In all seriousness, this is a great video. And a great resource for guys looking at 2009, 2010 or whatever mustangs and wondering what the cost savings is worth. Having switched over to a coyote on my 3rd mustang I know I'm betraying my roots and I still miss that 4.6 sound, but the benefits are hard to ignore if any type of track use is on the table.
Tale as old as time
True as it can be
Barely even friends
Then something bends
Unexpectedly it's the rod on the 'ol number 3
How are you betraying your roots switching to a Ford 5.0 exactly? ;)
So, considering your previous dislike for the frpp intake manifold, what brought you back around to it? In your opinion, is the mid-range torque loss worth the top end gain for a street car?
Mark Gray I think if your 3 valve is a daily then yeah all that top end gain isn’t worth it, unless you go around looking for cars to roll race, it just really depends on what you plan to do
slightly off topic here but there's a lot of 2010 Mustangs around here (bay area california) lately (v6 and v8 models) not sure why. I've also been seeing < 10,000 mile 2010 V6 blue mustangs out and about, too (can tell, no rock chips on front fascia and no license plates). Kinda neat but not sure what the sudden surge of 2010 mustangs is about.
Yup. I have a 2007 as well. Still love the look.
Another '07er here. Yesterday my boss was bragging about his S550 and that it does this and it does that, I said, "Yeah, but it just doesn't look right." Conversation over...
@@guitarded197 Ha ha. I love it! :-)
@@guitarded197 I personally think the 15 to 17s look way better but I guess I thats the nature of judging looks. Its subjective. I will say though having driven many of both the s550 is in a difference league performance and handling wise.
@@guitarded197 Then your boss is stupid, and so are you to a lesser degree. Sure the fifth gens look better, but the S550s look good too, and performance is performance.
@@Larcona_ Get over yourself, pariah.
As a 2012 Coyote owner. I still love seeing your car and love all mustangs. Yours is well put together nicely. Good work man!
Man, do I love this series!
I’m not a big ford fan, but I love cars in general, and I respect, and love how you are trying to make a vehicle fast that is ALL MOTOR instead of just adding boost. Best of luck on your journey! Im looking forward to the next episode!
Although I do not have the power goals you have with my 3v, I really like going through your videos and seeing the progression. Good job once again, as usual!!!
Awesome man! Love getting on TH-cam and seeing that you posted. 🍻
Thanks Chris!
2005 -2009 best looking years i miss my 2009 and I agree with you brother
I love how you step by step try and maximize efficiency as you move up. This is how I like to build my projects
Felt like I was in a casual business meeting about your Mustang. Very nice quality video!
Don’t like Mustangs myself, but I can respect a well put together video. I’ll be keeping up for sure👌🏼
Good shit man, I can appreciate going with a body style you enjoy more.
After all horse power is all about how deep your pockets are.
Been watching your videos since I got my S197 GT. A friend had done a ton of work to it before selling it to me. I'm interested in getting close to 500WHP in the coming years. Your channel has been a great source of information, and your production quality is always top notch.
This is thee best 4.6 video I’ve ever seen
GT500 owner aiming for 1000rwhp
Oof my 2003 Mustang GT makes about 260 hp :)
@@angelgjr1999 beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
@@angelgjr1999 well that’s a v6 box mustang can’t expect much more than that
@@Potheadahh GT has v8 not v6.
Dude i loved this video, loved the attention to detail, the hp comparisons even with the ls3 camaro. Very interesting. everything about the vid was really cool. Awesome job!
Good job dude!!! A very well put together video. Good luck with the 3V. I love what you're doing.
Great vid. Oh, I felt the frustration of those early number. Amazing what a difference a good tune can make.
I like the dyno curve comparison with the more modern vehicles. I would really like to see and hear some in car footage, I'll bet that cam sounds sick!
Love it ! Thanks for giving us feedback after soooooooo long ! Keep it up ! Doing us a bigger favor of saving us your viewers money and time and choosing a good set up not just burning our money !
Let's get some 0/60 and 20/80 runs at sea level again and you'll find out how much faster it is!
I agree. My car is a beast and I live 20 miles from the Atlantic Ocean in the Charleston, South Carolina area. I have the Brenspeed tune with all bolt-ons except the Ford Racing Manifold and Throttle Body and she acts like an animal.
This guy lives above sea level?
I wonder if this affects horsepower.
@@rencaelum4396 Altitude matters because air density plus generally cooler air if by the sea.
I am originally from Columbia, SC. I moved to Cheyenne, WY and bought a 2005 Mustang GT. It felt sluggish at this elevation level, so I visited Columbia, SC in July of this year and the difference in sound and horsepower was Phenomenal!! Being at sea level everyone thought my car was modded which it isn't. I'm dying to move back to sea level
@@ablackgod7799 You are right. Air is more Horsepower, especially cold winter air.
Great job man. Love that you're working that 3V!
Nicely done. It’s very satisfying to get big performance by implementing mods versus getting the same performance off the showroom floor.
2010 Cammed Camaro SS owner here... super professional and entertaining video. Def earned a sub!
4.6 is alot easier to work on than a coyote
True
Yes but I am going to have a meeting 📅 with the bank and then I’m not going out
I'm just glad you finally got to put the intake manifold to use
no doubt, almost sold it
Beautifully produced video. I can't recommend this era mustang enough. I've had the V6 and GT and loved them both stock (the GT more ;)
This Chanel’s gonna blow up. Straight forward professional work. I’m glad I caught when I did this Chanel’s gonna go places.
Great video, that's exactly why I bought my '05 Mustang. I love the looks and I will squeeze out as much as I can out of the 4.6
So glad you’re back. Your videos make me want to dig back into my 2008 Bullitt.. my mods are almost the same as yours (stock intake/TB) otherwise pretty much spot on.. Power numbers are similar as well, anyways. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, excellent series. Thanks!
respect for building up that gorgeous mustang. you caught my attention no doubt. subbed.
Great job👍👍. I have an 05 gt that I absolutely love, even though it sometimes seems like the 3V is the stepchild of the last 15yrs in the mustang family, I love the 3V, glad you are showing how to properly build. thanks
This style of mustang is better than the new and yes I own one. The best blend of retro with modern tech
I like the gen prior to the last gen 4.6
I wonder how long it will take for someone to take the S197 body and put it on a S550 chassis (if that’s even possible). If they do, they could have the best of both worlds for S197 fans. I owned both an S197 and currently own a S550. I like both for what they are, but have to admit the S550 is my favorite.
Buy the car you want, not the car other people want, good on you, love the stang looks great!
Sounds absolutely amazing!
I’m happy you finally got a good tune coupled with the FRPP manifold. I installed the FRPP manifold and BBK shorty headers on my 3v and had peak gains of 18whp and 9wtq. But as you explain in the video, this doesn’t tell the whole story. I gained an average 36WTQ and 24WHP from 4,800RPM to 6,600RPM. The personality of the car is completely changed.
Man I really like your channel I like the way you break it down and make it simple and easy and all the work that you did to get there is amazing Jean taking stuff off and putting it back on and explaining it and I really really appreciate your breakdown of all the things that you've done and a comparison with Camaro and the Coyote and and all that that is really really cool
You are now a certified intake manifold installer 😁
lol
Can I join the club
@@Four_Eyes I can't say it enough how much I love this body.From experience hands down I would buy a 07 GT500.My 07 Shelby GT is a beautiful looking car. But trying to compete with the car's of today you need a car that can make big power and the 07 09 GT500 is the perfect car too make that happen.
You need to keep doing these videos. Not only because of your car, but because of how damn talented you are at making videos. You have the talent and the editing skills to become a 100k + Subscriber channnel. Eventually even non mustang fans will see your content and watch it because of how well done your videos are. Keep up the great work, and keep pumping out the videos ( I know with as well done as these are, they HAVE to take a lot of time to make)
Hey thanks for kind words. I'll be back soon.
They do take awhile to make, but waiting on tuning and body shops can take anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks, those delays are hard to get around.
Impressive video and results. This is my favorite gen of Mustang too. Thanks!
Really appreciate the time you took to post this video! I have 2005 GT with some of the mods you discussed and curious about updating additional mods (cams, intake)
Appreciate you watching 👍
It’s great to have some high quality 3v content
Love just listening to you talk, so much knowledge
Never been more excited for a video.
The 2005 - 2009 retro look is awesome , 3v w/long tubes and cams sound mean , too easy to buy a new car, great video and content, there are so many of these cars around makes great content for a lot folks !
TBH, even 370HP at the crank seem amazing for a 4.6 3 valve. Cudos to Ford for doing something different.
Your so so so right about the looks, that mustang is the best looking by far. Perfect mix of heritage and evolution
New sub! Sweet ride and good work! Been looking at new edge 2valves but this has got me wanting a 3 valve! Those smoked taillights are the business!!!
awesome video man yet too see a video that actually explains power more than just peak numbers. wish more people went into things with these things in mind.
The 05 through 09 are my favorite body style
i bought one too, i just love the way it even looks just sitting in a parking lot.
Such an awesome OG body style.
6:47 you're describing runner length based on air velocity. It's more about rpm. When the intake valve closes incoming air is suddenly forced to stop and compresses against it. This creates a pressure wave that is reflected back up the runner. When the signal reaches the end of the runner it is reflected back toward the intake valve again (see diffuser). This precharges the incoming air. To optimize air flow you want the intake valve to be opened as the reflected pressure wave is incoming.
Higher RPM means that a shorter distance is needed for the pressure wave (signal) to travel. That's why short runners work at higher rpm. Longer runners are found on vehicles requiring more low end torque. Torque is a function of cylinder fill. Forced induction torque curves are so different because cylinder fill is less dependent on rpm. Then, horsepower is torque x rpm.
I have a sheet metal intake on my LS1. PCV system on these allows a lot of oil into the intake. I was missing a manifold bolt, and this resulted in an oil leak. It didn't occur that an intake gasket leak would cause a mystery oil spray mess. When I put a new bolt in the problem went away. I've known for a while about the whole runner length thing I described, but I didn't think it made that much pressure. Trust me it's substantial.
Excellent work on your 3V btw.
Hey great comment, appreciate this info. Check out this study on intake runner length versus torque when you have some time: www.emeraldm3d.com/articles/emr-adj-length-intake/
@@Four_Eyes That is interesting. I wouldn't have expected dips in torque curves. If I had to guess an intake runner has to chosen based on wave number of the compression. 1st order would be a little over 14 ft for 4800rpm. Obviously runners are much shorter. The question is how to calculate the runner harmonics and apply it in the real world. I'm beginning to wonder if it so complex that the work is done empirically, as in your link. The problem is difficult enough simply assuming the speed of sound at STP conditions. Further calculations have to be done to find the pulse width. Then apply that over an rpm range. MAP sensors don't account for acoustics...
Can’t wait to start my 3v build , great video. Im ready for the next one 😎
Damn thats badass man!!!! Love the 3v love. Great video :)
Been following your video's for awhile its been loads of fun and very interesting especially since your spending the money and I'm learning alot I recently bought a 2008 with only 9000 miles now i know what not to do to get more power thanks.
I like the styling of the 2005-2010 model year.
2010 looks like the 11-14 years. It's the odd ball. I have one.
Yeah, the 2010 sure is an odd one. It looks like a 5.0, but has the 4.6 and a 5 speed. I have one that I drive everyday, and I have to say it's really great! From the factory it made 315 HP and 325 ft-lbs of torque at the crank. I'm sure those numbers are closer to 270 now, but I'll be honest, the dang thing still rips! I just took a ride in a 2011 California Special today, it has the 5.0, and while it was definitely faster, it doesn't feel like an extra ten thousand dollars worth of fun. I have the 5 speed manual myself, and I've beaten similar year Camaro SS and Dodge R/Ts without redlining or pushing to the max. The other day I just barely beat a SRT8 Challenger, it even surprised me. I got clapped by a Subaru with AWD though, so there's always that. I live in Louisiana, so I'm very sea level, even below LOL. Also, the 2010 gets to 60mph in about 4.9s, which is nothing to laugh at, but that's in good conditions launching at about 2100RPM. With a smaller tire, decent prep, and good weather, I think we'd all be impressed at what that car could do 0-60 in. Also keep in mind that the thing weights about 3600 wet, no driver. Take the spare and all the other crap out, and you're super light compared to the GMs and Chryslers. Camaro about 4100-4200lbs, and Challengers around 4200-4400. Even though they eclipse the Stang's power, they are basically carrying a 700-800lb weight. Adding 100ish HP doesn't do much when you also add 700 pounds to your car. I've been chopped by plenty of cars, but I have also been surprised to what I can still outrun. 2010 model year is pretty nice, personally I prefer the body over the 05-09. Both are nice though. My favorite is when some loud ass truck is next to me revving and he thinks I'm slow as fuck cause my car looks faded and stock, which it is, and I just clap his cheeks when the light turns green. Unless of course I fail the launch in spectacular fashion and look like a dipshit. When I get it right though, can't lie, feel like Dale or Senna, lol.
Great video bro! I my self like the s 197 I have a 2008 GT/CS and love it. I've done some of the advancements but I think I'm going to follow what you did. Thanks for an excellent video!
Thanks Thomas ✌ My path is inefficient and tedious... I recommend a supercharger if you're looking to keep it simple.
Man, stage IV is a lot of money 💸💸 I like it the way you have it now. Just put some 4.10 gears in it.
RW Jack all that money to get to 60 mph a second faster...
Perfect presentation and no BS filling in the video. Thanks for the organized comparison.
I was just rewatching all of your videos yesterday lol waiting for a video 😂
Very good video. We achieved very similar numbers with some comp cams NSR cams on one of my student’s GT. I think we put down about 350 to the tires on a mustang dyno. I was pretty surprised since I’m used to the ls platform. Good work working your way through the airflow bottle neck game.
Damn. Sounds so good with that lope
I commented on this video 10 months ago, and i'm proud to say I pickup my very own 3v in 3 days. God blessith I stayed true to my word and lordey she's a comin' home to me real soon!
Not sure what that was, i'm just very excited 😂
I'd consider this particular set up if I were content with the 4.6l 3 valves maximum n/a output of about 430 crank hp. Realistically, it is an adequate amount of horsepower for fun. Good build. Ford Racing had a package like this available a couple years ago, and the power your making is what they advertised. Right on. . .
Man as a V6 owner, somehow I love following this haha. I'm also very happy with my older engine because of the 05-09 aesthetic. I can't wait to see what you'll pull out of your 3v in the end!
I have a 4.0 too, wish it made like 20% more power lol, between the poor gas mileage and power output looks is the only place it wins
@@trystanswansonart Yeah it's in a though spot with the 4.6 V8 and the 3.7 V6 on the market in roughly a similar price class. It helps though if you just enjoy the engine for what it is and stop comparing. I have plenty of moments where I am pleasantly surprised by what the 4.0 can do, and it's carried me faithfully through roadtrips of 3k+ miles, so I have a personal sense of loyalty to this car haha.
I had the 4.0 pony package. The 3V with a MT is so much more fun to drive though and has less reliability issues off the dealership lot. 4.0 is good tho but now seeing < 100k GT 3V going for under 7 grand it is a no brainer which one to get. All the used car market makes it look like I spent too much on both cars though oh well. Thank god for ebay and stuff I could get on the side, phew.
@@thedude1866 For the used v6 I'd definitely go with the 3.7 over the 4.0 and I'd laugh at all the 3.7 owners that hated on the V8 when I spent less on a preowned car than they did on a new one. ;) I see 3.7's EVERYWHERE literally these days, nothing at all special about them but very, very easy to find and on the cheap. A lot of people that own them don't seem to care about them not sure why it is, I see a lot with dings and dents, haven't been washed for months, etc. I would treat one as well as my GT if I owned one, honestly.
@@dennisstith2860 there is literally nothing wrong in reliability with the 3v 4.6 GT. We have an 07 with over 320,000 miles on it that has literally never had any work done besides routine basic maintenance.
Love those Detroit rockers btw!
I love your videos. I got my mustang 3 years ago and have been watching a while. Inspiring me to get my 3v a youtube.
I also like this mustang body too 👌
Great vid foreyes. I agree the S197 blows away the styling of the 2010-2014 mustang but power suffers. I’m working on building my 2007 GT/CS using natural aspiration. I’m up to about 350RWHP using TB, Headers, Xpipe, Cat-Back and tune. My goal is to reach 400RWHP (for now😉.) Keep the vids coming and rock on.
Like i was suggesting earlier in a previous vid you did a few years back, if you did a 4.10 rear end gear upgrade, it won't change numbers, but it will be a big launch difference.
Such a great video man! Thanks for this. I know how hard these videos can be to make from experience. Keep'em coming!
They really are, thanks dude.
I heard 2V makes power way easier and smoother than the 3 valve due to the design, you should race a similarly powered 2V from the model before and see how y’all do.
Trinidad Shade Two valves life’s matter
3V heads outflow the 2V easy but the vct is the problem.
Ronald Jensen 4v> 2v > 3v
This just popped up in my recommendations as I have been thinking about picking up a 3V. I like the body style as well. Mine would be more of a cruiser, so from what you have outlined it seems I would not really need to go past what you have done in stage 2 to be satisfied. Great video; very informative. Appreciate the detail on what you have done.
Coyote is such a better engine all the way around, personally wouldn’t have a 4.6 again unless it was a 4v (in a cobra)
That 3.7 imho is the bang for your buck. Damned things are a dime a dozen where I live and I imagine in other states like Florida they probably are even less $$. I think if I was getting a 2013 I might consider that 3.7, super cheap. The 4.0 was a good engine if I am not mistaken but it had stigma in the Mustang community and just wasn't up to snuff for the car to have. I used to own one, it was fine but paired with an auto it wasn't the most fun to drive. it was pretty good though.
@@dennisstith2860 agreed 100%
Ah yes, the n/a 4v 4.6. Such a good engine that it took a bump in compression just to get it to 315 crank.
@@Thomasrollins_ too bad the cars they put the 4V in were junk heaps but oh well, those cars are over 20 years old now anyway.
The Coyote has more problems than the 4.6. That's a fact. It makes more power but it's not going to outlast a 4.6.
Youre super right these 2005-2009 look sooo amazing best looking mustangs out there
I remember seeing the s197 platform time I seen the a covetable at 40th Of at Nashville speedway what great looking car timeless deign👍👍👍👍👍👍 nice increase in power your car is really clean looking.
The heads are holding you back now, and will need to be addressed in the future if you want to wring all the power out of that 3valve. Great series! Your production values are top-notch! Look forward to the next one.
Yes new heads are the next step. Thanks for watching amigo ✌
That was interesting. I’ve got an 03 4.6 dohc and I’ve given up n/a and bought a supercharger
I also have one......2004 Mach 1........I no it won't make near the power cammed but dam she's going to sound nice .....with plenty of power to get you in trouble and will last a little longer...... hopefully 😂
mistress313 Tons of potential in the 4.6 4V, you just need an intake manifold and ignition system that will allow to pull and make power up around Coyote-style rpm.
th-cam.com/video/BoYIgjhHgvQ/w-d-xo.html
Way more efficient approach and what I recommend most 3v owners do.
All motor just isn't cost effective in those things. Forge the bottom end and boost it over 600hp
edit: the 03-04 cams run out of steam after 5800 rpm even though the recline stretches to 7k, because the cams are borrowed from the cobra.
If you continue making videos of this quality, you’re going to have a ton of subs in no time.
Just a heads up Alejandro flores just teased a plug and play coyote swap for 2005-2009
th-cam.com/video/1LTRwyvnpdQ/w-d-xo.html
Keep it up man, can’t wait until the next video!!
I feel the same way about these 05-09 mustangs, I love the way they look reminds me of a 68 fastback. My car is an 05 mineral grey I built to drift has hot rod cams, jlt series 3, full straight pipe no cats no mufflers custom tuned by Lito mds, bc coilovers, eBay Hydro e brake, car gets it but I’d imagine it’s gonna chuck a rod soon lol
Sick 👌
Did you know mineral gray was only offered on 05 model year?
Actually just made a video of a mod I just had done to my build that pretty much completes that fastback look. Rear quarter window delete
Great video. Useful info, clearly explained, and right to the point... it's obvious you know what you're talking about, which can be rare with YT car/ modding content... BTW, totally agree about the 05-09's... they're a clean, beautiful car. The 4.6's are fantastic, durable, fun engines even if the newer stuff makes more power... and they've really proven themselves in NASA's Spec Iron Mustang racing series.
The redesign actually came in 2010, still using the 3 valve.
Yeah indeed. Skipped that detail because the script got clunky trying to point that out.
Awesome man great looking ride with amazing sound.......should bring a smile everytime you gas it!! Look forward to more great quality videos in the future! take care
LOL!!! "buuut I really like how the '05-'09 Mustangs look" That's literally me.... arguably my favourite body style... So sad they have such a 'lacking' motor in them :'(...
The perfect 05-09 is the GT500, same looks but a way better engine
@@noahwilliams1600 Ah, I thought it was the same engine. I need to look into that even though i'm certain they are wayyy expensive.
@Richard Skipper They have 300hp and 310 torque to the crank :S Like 275hp to the rear wheels. The motor is lacking not necessarily because of power but because the power delivery is often regarded as shitty and what not.
@@OctaneStreet The one in the video, that you just watched has very close to the numbers Richard Skipper states. It would be a fun and reliable daily driver. I daily my 2010 with the same setup.
@@moburto07gt Ohhh I thought he was talking about a Stock 05-09 GT. Yours being a 2010 means its the first model with the coyote block though so you've got even more of a beast on your hands.
Great well done video. I owned a 2012 5.0 6 speed last year. I currently own a 04 z06 and picking up a 05 GT 3v auto. Believe it or not that 05 is the best driving one out of the 3. I think because it was never beaten on, original owner, and garaged since new. All this leads to it being a very nice smooth daily. I probably will not go as wild as you(maybe just intake/tune) but I am glad to know it can compete with the big boys!
I'm a dodge fan, but this was done exactly like I would have ever wanted to see it done. I had to scribe.
Love the series! Keep it up!
If I had a GT, I'dve made you a twin turbo kit to play with.
I have similar mods on my 06 and the best I could ever do was 350 to the wheels with a custom tune. I didn’t have the manifold or throttle body, but it’s really limited by the displacement. Good luck with the rest of the build. It’s a nice looking car...very tasteful.
Have you considered swapping your engine with a 5.0 engine? I have 2007 mustang gt too 👍
Not worth it, coyotes sound like shit
@@karlhopkins713 The 3Valve sounds superior and the cost I don't see as feasible. Unless money doesn't matter.
That or a voodoo engine ...... the 5.0 sounds godly compared to this shit 3v
@@amordeweso 🤣🤣🤣 delete this bullshit YOU ARE A FUCCN LIAR
Karl Hopkins 100% worth, 3Vs have leaking OPA cam phasers, self-grenading undersized roller followers, separating spark plugs, and are overall pieces of shit that ALSO sound like shit.
Best series please keep making these videos!!
4.6 stroker? Make your 5.0 from the 4.6 see where that puts the power output in comparison to a 4.6 coyote and LS.
For the cost of a stroke kit couldn't he swap a 5.4 from an 07ish f150 and use all the same boltons except for the intake?
@@TheDude2111 depends on what you want from the ending result. Yeah you could swap in a 5.4 but the 4.6 & 5.4 both have powder forged piston rods in their reciprocating assembly that blow into dust if you push them past 10 lbs of boost from a blower or turbo. A good stroker kit would come with a forged crank high strength piston rods and depending on which route you go boosted or naturally aspirated a piston that can handle the increased stress from boost or a longer crank throw. Most engines being boosted get a low compression piston design to prevent predetonation and most naturally aspirated engines get a piston designed to increase compression. Your truck engine would have powder forged rods if you get an engine out of a factory boosted car then you would have a "little" stronger rod design.
@@jeremiahpike6372 maybe yes maybe no Hyundai factory rods suck but 10 psi on a 5.4 is like 12 on a 5.0 plus faster spool time. Also it's all in the tune, the 302 blocks were thought to only hold 500 ish hp but now there are guys making 800 whp and multiple passes
@@TheDude2111 Displacement has no bearing on the amount of stress an assembly can handle the quality of the parts with which the engine is assembled is what changes the point at which the stress of operation is to great for it. Also there is no correlation between displacement and boost pressures. A diesel engine can be pushed to 100psi of boost with modifications. A great example of this is the exact engine in which you just referred. The pushrod 5.0 has better rods than the 4.6/5.4 as in they aren't powder forged units. The 5.0 pushrod engine if in good condition can handle around 18lbs of boost with no issue other than the structural limits of the block. The crank and pistons in the pushrod 5.0 are both forged. Forged steel crankshaft and forged aluminum pistons. The rods connecting the two are also not heated and pressed together steel dust into the shape of a rod. The pushrod 5.0 had rods cast from molten steel. This is why the pushrod 5.0 can actually make more power than the structural integrity of the block. Ford overbuilt the pushrod 5.0 and the underbuilt the 4.6 as far as the internal parts anyway. Now yes you are right it's possible to get over 1000hp from a Windsor block providing that you actually add structural rigidity to the block. Lower main cap girdles and a lifter valley girdle and studding the cylinder heads can get you more than 800hp worth of block. To make that kind of power with the Windsor design boost of some kind or nitrous would be required. The new coyote is the next generation of the 4.6 design fixing all the problems the 4.6/5.4 had and also using separate camshafts for intake and exhaust valves on the coyote. The coyote is a modern version of the 4.6. breaking the camshaft up into two separate units for intake and exhaust allows for complete timing adjustment on both the intake and exhaust which adds lots of drivability to an engine capable of doing much more power wise.
@john jones that's the crazy thing about it they're using 88 to 93 blocks with the factory trw pistons every thing I've read states leave fuel fat around 10.5 to one and rpms under 6k and it'll hold (I think most of these guys are gapping rings to .030 ). It's a ticking timebomb but talk about bang for your buck.
Dude you have to post more. You have the knack for this. Your videos are very good.
Thanks brew ✌
Coyotes do have more power but i love the sound of a 3v